Liberals and Progressives are too easily satisfied: DWS' departure is as meaningful as the Platform
That is to say, it doesn't mean much. Is it a win? Of sorts. It shows some marginal accountability. It's marginal for a number of reasons. Here are two big ones:
1. DWS was already a mere figurehead at the DNC. She was replaced as the day-to-day operations "manager" back in June.
2. The damage has already been done. The media narrative and conspiracy to scuttle Bernie's credibility and interfere with his campaign operations already did the damage required. This isn't like a crime where punishment after-the-fact may serve as a deterrent for future offenses.
This leads me to my main point: liberals and progressives are going to think this is a great event and use it as an excuse to return back to the pen. It's going to foment the kabuki narrative of progressives getting some major leverage, and it's certainly going to bring a few fence-sitting former-Bernie-supporters around.
And this is why liberals and progressives have no power in this country. Not "almost no power," but none. We collectively are too eager to play the game, to warm up to corruption and craven right-centrism in the name of "ethical" strategic voting against "greater evils". This election has exposed more than just the terrible, corrupt underbelly of our oligarchy. It has exposed progressives' collective weakness and willingness to play the part of sheep.
Voting Green is a way to combat this nonsense, but just barely and mainly only because as a political party they're (probably) not (as) corrupt. It's still working within the existing system a bit too much for my tastes. We need something more. We need an aggressive agenda of election and voting reforms. Until progressives wake the fuck up and get out of the veal pen that's not going to happen. We'll just keep getting the same dilemma every election.
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For anyone who has seen how deep the rabbit hole of corruption
goes this cycle, this is going to be a non-event. It's just more proof of corruption and manipulation.
For anyone whose mind changes because of this, better they be known now than later.
Zackly!
I'll be casting my ballot in November for the same party I voted for in 2000...
Sorry the Democratic Party can't remember the results of that election...
Insanity is Repeating the Same Behavior, Expecting Different Results...
Sometimes you have to get worse before you get better...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Without a cost, there is no reason for them to care.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
In typical Clinton style, we
In typical Clinton style, we have a scapegoat. There was a small problem,
We corrected the problem. Unfortunately, since 1992 they have been taking over the party. When they lost in 08, they have redoubles their efforts and taken control of every inch of the party and moved into the market centers of influence. They have also thwarted the law and the election process during this cycle. There is no way a rational American who believes in democracy would support this family. It would be totally incimprehensible for a progressive to lend any support. They make the Trumps and other Republicans look like defenders of freedom and rights of the working class
For the sake of clarity, one statement needs modification
If the quote above strictly regards the Clintons, I must agree. If the statement above were regarding corporatists, then I must disagree. They got a bonanza with BooHoo.
Political Markets: A Nation of Artificial Men nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
There is a barrier liberals and progressives cannot cross.
Not without an intolerable readjustment to their world view, and that is the adoption of a genuinely leftist program.
I hope this debacle at least moves them forward a little.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
I think this is true of older progressives
that lived through the Cold War. Socialism is still a bad word for them. Among the younger crowd, not so much. For those who have become politically involved in the Sanders campaign, especially the millennials, they are ripe for taking the next steps. Up to us to teach them well.
I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance. - e.e.cummings
Music to my ears.
So many my own age--54--can't seem to break through.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
I think there are "older" people outside the US,
who lived through the cold war in real space and for some reason for them socialism isn't that bad a word. It's ok to be a socialist, if you are democratic. Some people, whose minds are programmed to see everywhere nothing but "evil communist taking over our lands and crossing our borders" haven't gotten the notice yet. Those times are over.
Thank you guys for keeping West Berlin free and helping to enforce the line in the sand. But today those times are over.
The Berlin Wall came down 26 years ago. We can't even remember where that damn Wall was once standing. The Russians didn't run over Germany, Uncle Reagan's fairy tale quote to tear down this wall, mr. Gorbachev has been forgotten and the youngsters of this generation don't even know, who both of them were. We are 26 years later, but some over educated second level American wannabe politicians still can't wait to pull out the old "evil doers"off their treasure chest and fucking us with those oldie but goodie tales. We even could handle a peaceful reunification with "the evil doers" former occupiers.
Too bad Rummy and Dick and Georgie had to tell us, that we are just too lazy and greedy and coward and didn't want to help the Western Alliance enough to "keep up" the defense on the Eastern front with those "(once upon the times communist evil-doers"). I think those smart hardliners from some ten to twenty years ago in the US should be de-programmed. They can't stop wanting tensions and wars with the rest of the world. They also want the US world's only super power to remain in place.
What the heck for? Especially if you treat your own folks so badly. Get a grip.
https://www.euronews.com/live
And now I live in Dresden in former scary-bogeyman-land. n/t
Sanders lived thru it. My crazy father became a raging socialist
later in life. I lived thru it and I'm much closer to being a Socialist than anything else but have always been a registered Dem.
People do not understand that Socialism is NOTHING like Communism. And it's a hell of a site fairer and more honest than the crap being run past us by the Dems and everyone else.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
On the bright side...
yes, there may be one: This should help Tim Canova's campaign.
Otherwise, you are quite correct. If people are still only half awake, this will be a big deal. For those who are fully awake, a brief moment of celebration is in order (okay, it's over), and then back to the heavy lifting.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Not too sure about that. A user on the K4S subreddit
I posted this to pointed out that this frees up DWS to devote her resources to fighting off Canova's attempt at unseating her. I think it was an astute observation, and I encouraged him to post a separate thread with his call to action in K4S, and here. If he doesn't, I'll lift his comment verbatim and stick it in this diary.
I was thinking more along the lines
of his having more ammunition against her. She has a lot of baggage already, and the Wikileaks are just adding to it. We should be flooding Twitter hashtags related to Florida with this information as well as any publications in Florida that are on FaceBook. As HRC's negative numbers continue to climb showing that she is untrustworthy and on the wrong track, her rooting for DWS could be hazardous to both of them.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
On the dark side ...
She will now be free to devote her time to her own congressional campaign primary race against Tim Canova. Barack Obama will be campaigning for her.
The Democratic Party in Florida has some of the most corrupt officials. And how confident should Tim Canova be about election integrity in Florida?
Through the coordinated efforts of the DNC at the national and state levels, Hillary Clinton will be the nominee because of election fraud and voter suppression. Any of that likely to change because Debbie Wasserman Shultz is (or will be) no longer the DNC Chair?
Something needs to be done about
Obama's currently positive rating. If those numbers came down, it would have a negative effect on both HRC and DWS.
Election integrity is a problem. We can only hope that the election fraud lawsuits and other activities make it more difficult. It may also be possible to blame voter suppression on DWS.
We need to find a way to keep DWS busy so as to limit any effective campaigning and/or set up activists to spread the truth wherever she campaigns. People could be handed flyers on their way in or out of events highlighting her record.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I never said I was satisfied
But It works as foreplay...
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
The point is, it shows their panic is increasing
First it was no speech. That was not enough. Now it is "step down" at end of convention. That will not be enough.
But what we look/hope for is a domino effect that will cause HRC to trip herself up and dig herself in deeper and deeper.
The point is, there has been a small breech made, we continue to attack and widen the breach, and be assured that HRC's fumblings will widen it as well.
Media will report this as HRC panic, it makes her look very weak before the convention.
And that's what's important. Everyone one knows that the problem is much deeper, but at least we have seen them wince now.
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"I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. "
-Niccolo Machiavelli
"Sorry Hillary"
-TheJerry
Let's see if they're stupid enough
to open and close the convention. That will result in opening and closing BOOS all around.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
62 speakers listed on Google for Demvention besides Clintons
Who the fuck will listen to all that hot air. In that hyperbaric environment, those balloons may not be able to drop from the ceiling.
Is anyone satisfied? Other than some initial joy...
I haven't seen much in the way of satisfaction, more of it being a thing that needed to happen, one of many things. But of course, thanks to the never-ending Clinton corruption and bad judgement, she has been promoted to running HRC's campaign or something. It's amazing how horrible HRC's judgment of a situation is, is my takeaway from this.
Even if she wanted to keep DWS cos "loyalty" - at least have the judgment to say you are disappointed and then quietly hire her a month from now. But the most offensive thing about Hillary is how blatant she is, how much she truly does not give a shit about appearances of corruption and impropriety.
If there had been a chance (there wasn't) that I would have voted for her, this DWS thing would have clinched it. Or the VP pick. Pretty much every move she makes makes me more dead set about #NeverHillary.