to a C99P member in another thread, who was speculating as to 'why' Bernie chose to drop out now--two weeks before the Dem Party Convention.
And I certainly had no 'ill intent.' (Heck, I'm left of the late Howard Zinn.)
Are folks aware that print media has been reporting, for at least a couple of weeks, that the Dem Party Leadership and the WH (not Republicans) have been upset about the expense of Bernie's Secret Service entourage--if he was planning to quit the race, anyway--which is supposedly what he told Joe Biden, almost a month ago.
To discuss this topic in the context of 'when' Bernie made his announcement, is in no way tantamount to wanting, or wishing Bernie harm.
Jeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.” --Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
as a political issue? The whole "the race is over but Bernie is still costing taxpayers money" attack to force him to get out. She's been parroting every single other line from the Clinton Campaign since the primary began, so I don't see why she wouldn't use that one, too. She probably justifies mentioning this by thinking that she's "following up" on her earlier bullshit.
Remember, these folks live in a bubble. They don't understand that their actions might have consequences for other people.
Yes, I do see it as very abrupt, since he is still a candidate and has not suspended.
You are missing the point in that Maddow should not be broadcasting this to crazies out there. It is against SS recommendations, they do not announce this far and wide.
You may not have noticed, but there are a lot of crazies who own lots of guns and who can be set off for any reason.
Specifically in a heated political universe
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-Niccolo Machiavelli
she was actually really good. Lots of information with a concise straightforward presentation aligning with liberal values. Then, after she got her own show and as time went on, she became increasingly disconnected from the issues, elitist in tone, and overly snarky in her presentation. She has this annoying passive aggressive sarcasm that's Gawker-esque in nature.
There's really no reason to watch her anymore. MSNBC as a network has really gone down the shitter, firing their most influential voices, and basically positioning themselves as the mouthpiece for Third Way Dems.
She was fresh and progressive back then. Quite an intellectual star.
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And she was brutal against the Bush administration and the illegal Iraq war.
I liked her when she was on Keith's show and a when she first got her show.
She started losing me when she'd go on and on about the republicans.
But I stopped watching her after Obama was elected and continued PNAC's goals in the Middle East and his use of drones.
She became just like the people over at LOF.
What was unacceptable when the republicans were doing them became acceptable when Obama did them.
He destroyed 4 countries and countless people's lives, yet she doesn't seem to have a problem with that.
I haven't watched her in years.
She has sold her principles for money.
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A lot of people sounded good back then, but then sent they're critical thinking skills to ground once Obama was elected.
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-- John Lennon
National News is about priorities, though. The death of Seth Rich was probably considered a much much much lower priority than issuing a thinly veiled threat to an increasingly annoyed electorate by announcing that their favorite candidate was now a sitting duck.
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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
as a sitting senator, he can request Secret Service protection. Since he no longer presents a threat to other candidates, he's probably no longer under attack. Did anyone else get a little uncomfortable about the President going to Dallas today? It might be a generational thing.
And the nerdy guy in the weekend. But then when this primary began, it became clear thatbMSNBC had a horse in the race and it was just too hard to watch anymore. Left about the same time I left TOP. Missing the good times, but not sorry I left. Correction, they left me...
Unfortunately she to seems to have flown to close to the flame and her wings have melted. Whether it was the allure of fame and fortune or just her ego being rubbed she has changed and not for the better.
She was Keith Olberman's protege and I am sure he is crying about that now. I still like her but no longer think she represents true progressives as she is actually a key part of the establishment now
long term credibility at the HRC altar. Which was really dumb, because her audience was always the Democratic wing of the Democratic party - NOT the neo-liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
So Rachel's kind of like DK - great when you confine yourself to Aren't Republicans Dumb commentary but useless in pointing out your own side's foibles and hypocrisies.
Cenk Uygur is smart to avoid this pitfall. Our side needs just as much if not more policing than the other side simply because they are (putatively) our side.
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Being so openly partisan on what claims to be a news channel.
I noticed Bloomberg (the publication) now takes up a great deal of the MSNBC time now. I found this accidentally while tuning in the All-Star game last night. Looks like Comcast is being successful in converting the station into yet another outlet for FOX.
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I know they're not stupid. What is going on here?
For cryin' out loud--I just mentioned this fact in a comment
to a C99P member in another thread, who was speculating as to 'why' Bernie chose to drop out now--two weeks before the Dem Party Convention.
And I certainly had no 'ill intent.' (Heck, I'm left of the late Howard Zinn.)
Are folks aware that print media has been reporting, for at least a couple of weeks, that the Dem Party Leadership and the WH (not Republicans) have been upset about the expense of Bernie's Secret Service entourage--if he was planning to quit the race, anyway--which is supposedly what he told Joe Biden, almost a month ago.
To discuss this topic in the context of 'when' Bernie made his announcement, is in no way tantamount to wanting, or wishing Bernie harm.
Jeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
National Mill Dog Rescue (NMDR) - Dogs Available For Adoption
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Well, since he's no longer in the race,
why would he?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Why
Would she point out that he doesn't?
Might I point out that Rachel Maddow doesn't have
secret service protection.
Just sayin'
Is it important news for Rachel?
Why is that worth mentioning?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Hasn't she been one of the talking heads pontificating over that
as a political issue? The whole "the race is over but Bernie is still costing taxpayers money" attack to force him to get out. She's been parroting every single other line from the Clinton Campaign since the primary began, so I don't see why she wouldn't use that one, too. She probably justifies mentioning this by thinking that she's "following up" on her earlier bullshit.
Remember, these folks live in a bubble. They don't understand that their actions might have consequences for other people.
Following up
Wish the FBI did. Wonder if there are only two sets of laws now?
She's not the only one
To report it.
Just a reminder about our
2nd amend. rts. by Rachel. Just kidding!
Because you do not announce that you have a sitting target..
Hello...that is not the point of this entry...
Yes, I do see it as very abrupt, since he is still a candidate and has not suspended.
You are missing the point in that Maddow should not be broadcasting this to crazies out there. It is against SS recommendations, they do not announce this far and wide.
You may not have noticed, but there are a lot of crazies who own lots of guns and who can be set off for any reason.
Specifically in a heated political universe
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"I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. "
-Niccolo Machiavelli
"Sorry Hillary"
-TheJerry
Correct
Rachel knows her words have consequences.
What's the point of Rachel Maddow?
We only have basic access cable, so her 'show' has never been watched in this household.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
MSNBC
Is her network. She has an hour long opinion show. I used to have a much better opinion of her in the past.
Back when she was filling in for Olbermann
she was actually really good. Lots of information with a concise straightforward presentation aligning with liberal values. Then, after she got her own show and as time went on, she became increasingly disconnected from the issues, elitist in tone, and overly snarky in her presentation. She has this annoying passive aggressive sarcasm that's Gawker-esque in nature.
There's really no reason to watch her anymore. MSNBC as a network has really gone down the shitter, firing their most influential voices, and basically positioning themselves as the mouthpiece for Third Way Dems.
I agree
Miss Olbermann, I think that's where I first saw Rachel. Liked her back then.
I believe she began on Air America in 2002
She was fresh and progressive back then. Quite an intellectual star.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
That's where I first heard her
And she was brutal against the Bush administration and the illegal Iraq war.
I liked her when she was on Keith's show and a when she first got her show.
She started losing me when she'd go on and on about the republicans.
But I stopped watching her after Obama was elected and continued PNAC's goals in the Middle East and his use of drones.
She became just like the people over at LOF.
What was unacceptable when the republicans were doing them became acceptable when Obama did them.
He destroyed 4 countries and countless people's lives, yet she doesn't seem to have a problem with that.
I haven't watched her in years.
She has sold her principles for money.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.
sold her soul to the company store
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I agree
Miss Olbermann, I think that's where I first saw Rachel. Liked her back then.
Remember, though, that was during the Bush years
A lot of people sounded good back then, but then sent they're critical thinking skills to ground once Obama was elected.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Well in case anybody missed mj55's post
The DNC data guy Seth Rich was shot to death on the street in DC Sunday night. Does anyone know if RM did a story on that.
A quick Google search suggests no.
National News is about priorities, though. The death of Seth Rich was probably considered a much much much lower priority than issuing a thinly veiled threat to an increasingly annoyed electorate by announcing that their favorite candidate was now a sitting duck.
OT, but why was he out at 4:20AM?
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Something odd about that? n/t
Damn dangerous!
That is really irresponsible -- not even journalism.
Surely she knows this? Rhodes Scholar and all...
Rhodes Scholars
Bill Clinton was one too, I believe. Wonder what the criteria might be?
High test scores are NO proof of intelligence
It's possible to be book-smart, and dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to the real world.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Consider the difference
between Richard Nixon and Edith Bunker.
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
When you give in...
is when they thump you the hardest.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Lawrence O'Donnell
Just announced Bernie has NO SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION
WTF is going on?????
And over and over again
MSNBC should be ashamed.
Maybe investigated....
I believe if Bernie feels his life is in danger,
as a sitting senator, he can request Secret Service protection. Since he no longer presents a threat to other candidates, he's probably no longer under attack. Did anyone else get a little uncomfortable about the President going to Dallas today? It might be a generational thing.
How do we know he hasn't?
I could be wrong, but I don't think requests for SS protection have to be granted.
Sigh... Maybe I'm just getting cynical. But really, no new low would be the least surprising.
Change is the end result of all true learning. ~ Leo Buscaglia
I enjoyed watching Rachel, Lawrence & Chris
And the nerdy guy in the weekend. But then when this primary began, it became clear thatbMSNBC had a horse in the race and it was just too hard to watch anymore. Left about the same time I left TOP. Missing the good times, but not sorry I left. Correction, they left me...
Rachael is brilliant and I used to love her
Unfortunately she to seems to have flown to close to the flame and her wings have melted. Whether it was the allure of fame and fortune or just her ego being rubbed she has changed and not for the better.
She was Keith Olberman's protege and I am sure he is crying about that now. I still like her but no longer think she represents true progressives as she is actually a key part of the establishment now
Come back Rachael, the people miss you.
Rachel is just one more person who sacrificed her own
long term credibility at the HRC altar. Which was really dumb, because her audience was always the Democratic wing of the Democratic party - NOT the neo-liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
So Rachel's kind of like DK - great when you confine yourself to Aren't Republicans Dumb commentary but useless in pointing out your own side's foibles and hypocrisies.
Cenk Uygur is smart to avoid this pitfall. Our side needs just as much if not more policing than the other side simply because they are (putatively) our side.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
How She Lost Me As A Viewer
Being so openly partisan on what claims to be a news channel.
I noticed Bloomberg (the publication) now takes up a great deal of the MSNBC time now. I found this accidentally while tuning in the All-Star game last night. Looks like Comcast is being successful in converting the station into yet another outlet for FOX.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.