Bernie, Hillary and the dreaded e-word

Well, it looks like it will happen. The rumors started yesterday about a deal brewing where Bernie will endorse Clinton if the price is right. And this morning on NPR, I heard Keith Ellison, one of Bernie's biggest surrogates, praising Hillary as an "honest" person who has been besmirched and slandered for years by right wing attacks. He also added that it looks like Clinton will be the nominee and he will vote for her, and we must defeat Trump and ...

No way Ellison appears on NPR, and says what he said, without an agreement among the Sanders' inner circle and Bernie's approval. I assume that they decided that now is the time to cash in Bernie's chips and get what he can get. I shouldn't be surprised after James Comey refused to recommend an indictment against Hillary on Tuesday. That was likely the last card Sanders was waiting to see fall and when it didn't fill in his inside straight (non-poker players, just google that phrase) the way he hoped it would, well, here we are. In the end, Bernie Sanders is a politician and he wants to continue, apparently, to work within the system.

So, am I disappointed? Damn right I am, but I'm not going to piss all over Sanders for making the decision he did. Obviously, he must believe he can get a better deal and achieve more with President Clinton and a, hopefully, Democratic majority in the Senate, than he could going third party or refusing to endorse. But I disagree with him that he's making the best choice for the rest of us.

The TPP will likely be passed in the lame duck session of Congress if Hillary wins the general. The last trophy on Obama's legacy shelf, so to speak. The economy, at some point in the near or mid-future will crash. That's just my opinion, but it would be consistent with historical trends when financial markets are essentially unregulated and big mega-banks can speculate at will. The Federal Reserve and the Bundesbank can keep interest rates at zero all they want, but monetary policy will not stop that train. As the famous quote from the Stanley Kubrick movie, Full Metal Jacket, goes, we are in a world of shit.

For myself, I am still going to Philadelphia to protest the DNC, whatever deal gets struck by the Clinton and Sanders' campaigns. The Green Party is on the ballot in New York where I reside, so I will vote for Jill Stein. I don't know if I'll be voting for any Democrat at this point at any level. In my state most of them are compromised and owned by Wall Street anyway. Each of us must make their own decision about what to do going forward.

One thing I'm not going to do is shut my eyes to what is, in effect, not simply evidence of personal corruption by politicians like Hillary, but a systemic issue. Who we elect doesn't matter much anymore, whether they are charming and personable, smart and charismatic or Richard Nixon's long lost evil sister. The fault lies not in the people for whom we vote, or their supporters and staffers and lackeys, as much as it does a deeply compromised political system that has been gamed and rigged and, for all intents and purposes, is owned by powerful corporations and institutions that have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I'm going to give Bernie Sanders the benefit of the doubt, and assume he's smart enough to know this (after all, he's been saying it for months now on the campaign trail) and has still chosen to endorse Hillary for whatever bones she will throw his way.

I may choose to register as Green. I may decide to back the de-regisitration movement known by the catch phrase, DemExit. But I will not go quietly, whatever I do. I will continue to fight for a political revolution. I just hope that there are enough people who will make that same choice. Because as I said last night in my YouTube video, if millions of us stick together we can make a difference. If we don't, we'll fall apart and watch the world descend into madness and we, its people, into further misery and despair.

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NonnyO's picture

... back to her true character and stabs them all in the back?

Ellison was one of the first, if not the first, to endorse Bernie way back when. His excusing $Hillary disappoints me. I thought he had better sense than that.

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Steven D's picture

he was reading from the official script the Sanders' campaign approved.

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Amanda Matthews's picture

who epitomized everything wrong and corrupt in our government today. All of a sudden find a way to accept all the lies and the greed and the graft. Those are some some mighty shifty principles.

She is a money grubbing, lying war whore. How can anyone support that?

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

MsGrin's picture

People are kept complacent by scrambling for funds such that they have little time to follow stories and figure out what is behind the headlines.

Given what she/her machine is capable of, I'd bet there were some level of threats made to Bernie that he could not refuse. He was a tough nut - did not go easily, this being pre-decided it was her turn and all...

I knew it was likely to go this way - still, I'm a bit numb.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

or a lot less depending on the character of his endorsement and how he follows it up. He spent most of his campaign pointing out the corrupt character of our political system and running against one of its most corrupt politicians. So an endorsement by him better be larded with sarcasm and back-handed complements. Otherwise Sanders isn't any different from the folks he spent a year trashing, as far as I'm concerned.

He can endorse anyone he wants. I won't vote for Hillary, though. I'll vote third-party, and most likely Green.

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I for one think that Clinton is preferable to Trump. I think Bern thinks that too, and so if Bern has in fact determined he has no shot at the presidency then I would expect him to endorse. However, to do so now, on the heels of Comey's statement seems like absurdly bad timing. A majority of the country is still trying to figure out how being incredibly careless doesn't amount to negligence, why that although the relevant federal statute fails to mention intent Comey appears to have based his decision on the concept.

To endorse now, before those questions have even been addressed, could tie Bern to the same type of back door cronyism we have been fighting against--at least in the public's imagination.

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Lily O Lady's picture

up the pressure as with the booing incident. I think he's trying to hold out as long as he can without being reduced to dust.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

I'd doubt that he'd trust Hillary to keep her word regarding any non-binding concessions to democracy/the people. Think I'll wait to hear what Bernie actually says/does - lying and misrepresentation goes together with the Clintons like tea and pee, not to mention that Bernie has been stuck with a number of people recommended by the DNC, with some staff previously making statements which Bernie had them retract; only FSM knows what threats may have been made, as well. Perhaps pushing someone to make such a statement might be to try to force Bernie's hand? I really don't see how he could actually promote Hillary as a viable Presidential choice...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Alphalop's picture

should vote for Hillary or not.

I don't know if they have announced it yet or even had it already as I have been busy with guests in town for the holidays.

I'll have to check the TYT archives in a minute, that should be an interesting one.

If they haven't had it yet I will try to live blog it provided my wife says I have the time. Wink

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Bernie used the Democratic party machinery to get as far as he did.

I'm sorry he feels the necessity to "endorse" what he's been speaking out against for his entire campaign.

But that's his action.

As for me, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR CLINTONS (it's both of them) no matter what Bernie, Elizabeth, Obama or anyone else threatens, uses fear, intimidation, blame, the whole litany of what will be thrown. I would rather see a President Trump, than another 8 scandal/drama filled years of more Clintons. With nothing to stop them, no need to try to protect their political viability, we'd have endless wars, and theft of tax payer money, and crime. NO MORE CLINTONS.

Clintons are corrupt, cowardly, criminal, selfish, SELFISH, power hungry megalomaniacs, who will never have enough money or power. NO MORE CLINTONS.

Enough is Enough

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I wonder if Putin will pick up on this trick and trot out his wife the next time he is term limited.

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Endorsing Hillary after she was officially nominated.

But do we really have to hear Bernie's surrogates vouch for her honesty? Her sleezy actions besmirched her, not right wing attacks. She only skated this time because "no reasonable prosecutor" would indict the former Secretary of State & presumptuous democratic nominee. Comey made that clear when he added his 'don't anybody else get the idea to do this; you're nobodies & we'll prosecute you.'

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Amanda Matthews's picture

either doesn't understand the meaning of the word or is as 'honest' as the Clintons themselves.

EDIT: Messed that ONE SENTENCE up royally. It's going to be a long day.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

MsGrin's picture

Just sayin' - threatening one's loved ones has a way of getting people to comply. I still believe that's what happened to Gore in 2000 when he gave up the challenges prematurely. Mighty-fine first family you've got there - be a shame to be on that podium all by yourself...

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Amanda Matthews's picture

doomed the minute he put old Joe LIE-berman on ticket. Then he rolled over and played dead during the fighting afterwards.

Gore lost because he sucked. And people were sick of the Dems because of Slick Willie and Shills and all the dirt that falls around them.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

RejectingThe3rdWay's picture

Ross Perot.

He stood up against NAFTA. That is a YUGE NO-NO for TPTB.

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When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!

elmo's picture

If he can get something for his endorsement, why not?

It's meaningless, because it doesn't mean any of us will vote for her. Giving away nothing for something is a good deal.

Now, I have my own doubts as to whether anything the Clinton campaign could offer is worth the paper it's written on. She's not honest, far from it.

I made the decision to vote Green if Clinton is the nominee and I am sticking with it, no matter who endorses her.

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Platform concessions? Is that really worth the trade off? His endorsement isn't nothing. If he gives it to her after the malfeasance that occurred during the primary, Bernie will be legitimizing her corruption. Hillary was already standing on shaky ground with most of the voting public, and that was before Comey's condemnation about her emails happened. If Bernie endorses her, it violates everything that he said he stood for during the campaign, and he's basically selling his brand off for practically nothing, especially if all he gets are false promises and rhetoric in a meaningless platform. Frankly, those of us that support him deserve much more than that.

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josb's picture

By endorsing someone who stands for everything he campaigned against, he will lose his integrity. He can do whatever he wants, but as a donor I'd be rather disappointed.

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elmo's picture

what the "Amendment King" is able to get. I share your concern about language in the platform, though.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Put that on top of the fact that she doesn't think she has to give us anything. Remember? She said so.

And, in fact, so far she hasn't given us anything. The platform business should have cleared that up.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

the last candidate I will financially support.
I didn't know a year ago that the primaries were rigged, that Comey and Lynch were compromised, that Bernie is a gun nut, Jew hater, and tax cheat, until Hillary pointed out those things to me.
A year ago, I accepted that he chose to join and support the party, come what may.
That was then.
I can't fall in line. He can.
I respectfully disagree with his endorsement.
My interest in his rally to give her an endorsement and talking points to have her repeat to get Berners to vote for her is mild curiosity, not enthusiastic.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

You reminded my of the basic principles of a Progressive government. You reminded me of integrity and principle. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

There is no way that your endorsement of Clinton will in any way convince me to vote for that Wall Street, lying, war monger. You'd have to pry my ballot out of my cold dead hand and mark it yourself.

I will do everything that I possibly can to keep the Clintons out of our White House.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

WaterLily's picture

I had held out hope that Bernie could announce he'd vote for her, and leave it at that. I wasn't old enough then to remember, but wasn't there some sort of precedent for this in the '70s?

I wish Bernie wouldn't compromise himself like this. Endorsement flies in the face of everything he has ever said, and stood for. But I guess it's the nature of the game when you choose to "work within the system."

Regardless, I'm never, ever voting for that lying, corrupt, in-it-for-herself harpy.

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When he said it was about changing the country, not just winning elections, that was a high point: he really got the importance of his legacy igniting a new movement. But that's followed with a hard 180 to 'negotiating' for a few vacuous policy statements in return for a tit-for-tat endorsement??

The bottom line is that some of his supporters would vote for HRC anyway, while those who wouldn't are not going to blindly follow any 'endorsement' by him. He would be doing massive harm to his legacy by breaking off from the movement in favor of politics as usual.

Sure Ellison and other surrogates should be free to do as they want for the sake of their own careers: they are young. But Bernie endorsing makes no sense except to send us all the message that everything we worked for and dreamt of – starting now but going far beyond this election – was for nothing.

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Lookout's picture

We don't know what Bernie will say. I don't think he will say vote for the $hill, but I suspect he will say keep T-rump out. I'll vote green. I'm totally done with the corrupt corporate dems.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Wouldn't that be why Bernie said that he'd work to keep Trump out, rather than Hillary in? If he can't pull off a miracle himself, Jill Stein is the only possible, non-disastrous option and if everyone aware of the situation voted Green, she'd be in on a landslide, if the General is somehow kept clean-ish.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

You are correct, Steven, but after the release of the Gillens and Page study of how little representation We the People get from those we reward with political office, we shouldn't be acting surprised.

We've known at least since Watergate if not the Warren Commission that the powerful will always escape the justice imposed upon the rest of us. Anyone with eyes to see and a brain to process data can figure out that the only function most people serve is to survive to make someone else wealthier. Those promoted to public office tell us with their actions who they truly represent. Yet voters continue to support the status quo while pretending to hope for change out of these lackeys.

No one will be sadder than I if Bernie does endorse Hillary. The thirty pieces of political silver he'd be given would evaporate the moment they are transferred to his possession.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

We are in a world of shit.
But still, I can't believe all the hand-wringing going on around here. We all knew that Bernie was a long shot from the very beginning of his campaign. I think many of us were incredibly surprised at the success of his campaign. I think the Sander's campaign was as astonishing and brilliant as it was unexpected. Sander's deserves an immense amount of credit for that gigantic effort. He did not have to do that. His career was just fine as it was.....he certainly did not have to do what he did. Credit where credit is due.

Bernie may very well have done all he can. I have no idea about the pressures he could be facing. It really is up to the people now.

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Steven D's picture

It is our job to make a revolution happen. No one else can do it.

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Roy Blakeley's picture

As someone up thread suggested, he was holding out to see what the FBI investigation of Clinton would bring. He as concluded that HRC will be nominated and will try to get what he can. He may get some nominal improvements to the platform, but they will not mean anything in the long run. The key is what happens ahead. Will we be able to harness the energy we have generated to improve politics in the US and the world or will we hang our heads. I suggest that we have the right to be depressed, but the duty to get our asses in gear.

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Raggedy Ann's picture

that I will be sorely disappointed in him endorsing this criminal. He will do as he pleases, as he should. As for my email, he may not like it; he may not care; he needs to hear it.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Steven D's picture

Thanks for doing that.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Did you just send it via his website or do you have his private email? I've sent him a few, but never heard back. Jill Stein sent him many, asking him to run on the Greens ticket, but never heard back. Who does he respond to?

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I can send him an email is to his Senate website. I don't mind doing it because he needs to hear from me. He needs to hear from all of us. I don't get replies because some staffer probably reads this stuff and culls it. However, his office needs to know - they will pass along the info and if he's smart, which many of us think he is, he will want to read them for himself. Bottom line, I don't need an answer. I want him to know my thoughts.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

I'm thinking it might be good to mail postcards with that message to all our local and national democratic faux representatives.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

in the sense that its most prominent members are just thugs disguised as upstanding, patriotic, intelligent, caring, elites; and Sanders has helped us to see the real characters underneath their disguises, then that is a victory alone. Additionally, since the true character of the Democratic party has been irretrievably exposed as thoroughly corrupt, then it doesn't matter who Bernie endorses within that party.

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Lily O Lady's picture

TOP some idiot is asking about Bernie's tax returns. Still! Why would they want an endorsement from someone they apparently find so sketchy? To answer my own question, because the know they're full of crap.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

elmo's picture

when your preferred candidate has just been called "extremely careless" by the FBI in the way she handled classified materials.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

Or: it's gotta be hard to come up with a distraction and redirection of public disgust ...

when your preferred candidate has just been called "extremely careless" by the FBI in the way she handled classified materials.
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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

I understand the corruption investigation of Hillary/Clinton Foundation is ongoing.

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Clinton is the Democratic version of Romney: no charisma and willing to say anything to get elected. Unfortunately, she's much worse since she has a proven record of selling out the 99% both here and around the entire planet. Like Lieberman she'll end up as a "bipartisan" candidate totally in thrall to 1%.

If the GOP figures out how to dump Trump things might get interesting: the corporatist-faction of the GOP will come back home and the rest of the electorate will perceive the GOP replacment as far less scary than Trump and neuter Clinton's main campaign asset: fear.

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