BNR - 'Sanders Is Set To Meet With Obama & Reid' & 'Bernie's Influence Is Evident'
Obama On The Battle Between The Campaigns
President Obama said the primary battle between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders was a “healthy thing” for the Democratic Party and that his role going forward will be to remind people that the job of being president “is not reality TV," in an interview with “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon.”
“It was a healthy thing for the Democratic Party to have a contested primary. I thought that Bernie Sanders brought enormous energy and new ideas. And he pushed the party and challenged them. I thought it made Hillary a better candidate,” the president said in an advance clip of the interview that will air in full on NBC tomorrow night.
The president stopped short of calling for Sanders to drop out of the race now that Clinton has officially surpassed the number of delegates needed to make her the presumptive Democratic nominee and said “there’s a natural process of everybody recognizing that this is not about any individual” after a hard-fought primary.
“I'm gonna be talkin' to him tomorrow, he's gonna be coming to the White House" the president said of Sanders. "And the main role I'm gonna be playing in this process is to remind the American people that this is a serious job. You know, this is not reality TV."
Asked by Fallon is he thinks Republicans are happy with their choice with Donald Trump now the presumptive nominee, the president quipped jokingly in reply, “We are.”
Our mission is more than just defeating Trump. It is transforming our country. People want something to vote for rather than just against.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) June 9, 2016
A few friends and fans of @BernieSanders give cheers and hugs at the airport - #burlington pic.twitter.com/kzdjJGKBmR
— MaryAlice Parks (@maryaliceparks) June 8, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/VH-F4WmUVEw]
Bernie's Influence Evident As Dems Draft A Platform
A day after Hillary Clinton claimed the nomination, Sanders supporters on a committee drafting the party platform played an active role in the first of a series of regional public hearings across the country. Former Attorney General Eric Holder, one of the witnesses at the hearing, found himself on the defensive when civil rights activist Cornel West asked why there isn't an “equal application of the law when it comes to Wall Street,” a common target for Sanders.
“How can we ensure as we write this platform that we have got some serious law enforcement when it comes to crime on Wall Street?” asked West, one of five supporters selected by Sanders to serve on the 15-member committee.
Holder acknowledged the Justice Department has been criticized for not charging Wall Street executives in connection with the housing crisis, saying the reason wasn’t lack of desire or resources. He urged the platform drafting committee to consider the standards of proof required for economic crimes.
“If you think we could have made those cases, do you think we would not have?” he asked.
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Climate activist and Vermont author Bill McKibben, one of the Sanders supporters on the drafting committee, said he'll push the Vermont senator's ideas as the committee crafts the platform, which will get a vote at the convention.
“I think it’s got to be one of the vehicles for uniting people in a common effort against Donald Trump,” said McKibben. “There are millions and millions and millions of people who (Sanders) brought into this process. So it’s good to see those views represented so far here.”
The next time you hear an establishment Democrat attack @BernieSanders think about their approval rating vs. his. https://t.co/6z55ZszXmO
— #BernieOrBust (@dustin_temple10) June 9, 2016
Young people understand that they are the future of America, and they intend to help shape that future.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) June 8, 2016
When we began this campaign we were considered to be a fringe campaign. Over the last year, I think that has changed just a little bit.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) June 8, 2016
.@BernieSanders Supporters Light Up Twitter In Solidarity #FeeltheBern https://t.co/ZnOz6GTFzN
— Jordan (@JordanChariton) June 8, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/TWXGFb7DWa0]
Biden Says To Let Sanders Decide
Vice President Joe Biden urged patience Wednesday when asked whether Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders should get out of the presidential race now that Hillary Clinton has become the presumptive Democratic nominee.
“I think that’s his call,” Biden said while leaving the Senate chamber. “It’s clear we know who the nominee is going to be. I think we should be a little graceful and give him the opportunity to decide on his own.”
After deciding not to enter the race himself, Biden often made favorable comments about Sanders but did not endorse a candidate.
Later the White House said Sanders has “more than earned the right to make his own decisions about his campaign,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest said, President Barack Obama won’t be publicly calling for him to step out of the race. Obama and Sanders are expected to meet Thursday at 11:15 a.m. ET.
After he meets with Obama tomorrow, Sanders is scheduled to meet with Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid at the Capitol.
Yes, @JaneOSanders is absolutely right! We are still with you @BernieSanders! We are #StillSanders! #FeelTheBERN pic.twitter.com/KNAOW3kFdu
— Xavier Pérez (@DOUBTMYPROGRESS) June 8, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/0j3_uPrF_14]
An NPR Interview With Jeff Merkley
SIEGEL: Well, in terms of policy positions that Senator Sanders took, what would be an appropriate acknowledgment of his campaign in the platform that emerges from the Democratic convention?
MERKLEY: Well, certainly that's a question best put to Bernie Sanders himself, but I think that he will probably put forward ideas that are related to the corrupting role of Citizens United and Buckley versus Valeo court decisions and the need to restore a by-and-for-the-people republic envisioned in our Constitution instead of the of-, by- and for-the-most-powerful system that we have right now.
SIEGEL: So you're saying campaign finance.
MERKLEY: Campaign finance, key efforts related to global warming and pivoting off of fossil fuels. I'm sure there will be discussion about things related to working Americans. Perhaps it will be endorsement of the national minimum wage, which is woefully inadequate and has been greatly diminished by inflation.
SIEGEL: If you were to sum up what you think the legacy of the Sanders campaign has been this year, what would you say?
MERKLEY: He has changed the conversation in America. Americans have powerfully sensed that we're off track. There is a structural challenge in our economy that needs to be addressed. What Sanders has done is he's focused the nation on the fact that these things are not inevitable. They are the result of policies. We can do better to create an economy that works well for working Americans.
We must always remember that change almost never happens from the top down, it happens from the bottom up.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) June 8, 2016
Calling all @BernieSanders supporters: How do you plan to keep the movement going after the campaign ends? https://t.co/91BKN9Q5Mj
— The Nation (@thenation) June 8, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/gPTEOnzvjn4]
Sanders & The French Initiative
Following the 2016 U.S. presidential elections, the next administration must adopt a new and realistically balanced policy toward Israel and the Palestinians to bring an end to their conflict in the context of a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace based on the Arab Peace Initiative. Throughout the primary campaign, only Senator Bernie Sanders had a position on this consuming conflict that was fresh, balanced, and welcome, especially given the increased intractability of the conflict and its dangerous implications not only for Israel and the Palestinians, but also for the US’s strategic interests in the Middle East.
The continuation of the conflict also has direct consequences on the security of the EU, precisely because it feeds into the region’s extremism from which the EU suffers greatly. In this regard, France’s initiative to resume Israeli-Palestinian negotiations is timely and should be pursued despite the initial lack of consensus at a recent meeting in Paris between the European, American, and Arab foreign ministers on convening an international conference at the end of the year to address the conflict in earnest.
Throughout the primary campaign, Sanders articulated his position concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, stating that: “I read Secretary Clinton’s speech before AIPAC, I heard virtually no discussion at all about the needs of the Palestinian people... Of course Israel has a right to defend itself, but long term there will never be peace in that region, unless the United States plays... an even-handed role in trying to bring people together and recognizing the serious problems that exist among the Palestinian people ... There comes a time when if we pursue justice and peace we are going to have to say that Netanyahu is not right all of the time.” [emphasis added]
Many Israeli and American Jews cynically accuse Senator Sanders of being an apologetic, self-hating Jew who is willing to bend backwards only to demonstrate that he is even-handed, when in fact he is undermining, from their perspective, Israel’s national security concerns.
On the contrary, I maintain that Sanders has taken this even-handed position precisely because he is committed to Israel’s security and well-being; he fully understands that time is against Israel, and those who really care about Israel’s future must speak out.
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By raising the need for the US to play an even-handed role to find a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Sanders has introduced a new critically important paradigm that the next administration must adopt, and in conjunction with the French initiative, they can create a much better prospect of ending the debilitating and explosive seven decades-old conflict.
Chin up @BernieSanders supporters. We are doing impossible things together. We too have won historically and we are just getting started!
— Mark Ruffalo (@MarkRuffalo) June 8, 2016
Should @SenSanders now continue the fight against Clinton or join her battle against @realDonaldTrump? https://t.co/F2G2b5t4c6
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) June 8, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/CxJ3HV65f1Q]
Bernie Sanders may be a super long shot to win the Democratic presidential nomination — but Hollywood talent shops believe the 74-year-old Vermont senator is a shoo-in as pitchman and public speaker, The Post has learned.
United Talent Agency is one agency hoping to sign up the “Feel the Bern” candidate, sources said.
“Sen. Sanders has started a grassroots movement that speaks loudly to Gen Y,” UTA Managing Director Jay Sures told The Post on Wednesday. “It’s a demographic that just about everyone is vying for.”
“While it is the end of his campaign, I think it is just the beginning of his message,” said Sures, whose shop reps such Hollywood talent as Johnny Depp and Will Ferrell.
UTA has been wooing Sanders, though he has yet to agree to Hollywood representation — maybe because the Sanders campaign has no known plans to call off the campaign.
Talent agency sources said Sanders could command speaking fees of up to $150,000 a pop.
Once in a lifetime you run into someone like @BernieSanders.Doesn't back down,full of integrity and fights for what's right #ThankYouBernie
— Tina Issa (@tinaissa) June 8, 2016
Bernie Sanders expected to push for major Democratic Party shakeup in meeting with Harry Reid https://t.co/mZ6FOgAnmd by @hunterw
— Yahoo News (@YahooNews) June 9, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/NG5WFSyitf4]
Bernie's Campaigning For Feingold Paid Off
The campaign will ramp up the use of its golden email list, estimated to be 2 million to 3 million strong, to help fundraise for progressive down-ticket candidates. On Tuesday the senator announced two more endorsements of progressive congressional candidates and asked his fans to donate to their campaigns. Sanders has already raised more than $2 million for his chosen Democrats, including Rep. Raul M. Grijalva of Arizona, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Tim Canova of Florida, who has mounted a primary challenge against Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee.
According to the campaign, over 10,000 people contributed to a Vermont State Senate candidate after Sanders picked him and directed his followers his way. The Sanders campaign says its email blast generated enough donations to fully fund the local candidate's campaign.
“Politicians are many things, but they are not dumb, and they understand that if people are united and want something, they better give it to them or the politicians will join the ranks of the unemployed,” Sanders told his crowd in Palo Alto, California, last week.
#ThankYouBernie You spoke for me. @BernieSanders
— Carolyn Hyppolite (@CKHyppolite) June 8, 2016
#ThankYouBernie for talking about FDR's four freedoms, and for your decades of standing up for working families. pic.twitter.com/zgdT28MJDG
— Annie Reilly (@4anniereilly) June 9, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/PiEJq2jbLVE]
Shaun King's Thank You Letter To Sanders
Thank you for staring the Democratic establishment in the face and deciding not to be an idle spectator when it mattered most.
Thank you for ignoring the early poll numbers that had you down by 60%.
Thank you for ignoring the experts who suggested you'd only win your home state of Vermont and nowhere else.
Thank you for actually listening to the Black Lives Matters protestors who interrupted you and demanded that you earnestly acknowledged police brutality and propose real solutions to it.
Thank you for accepting misfits, radicals, rabble-rousers and rappers into the inner circle of your campaign from the very beginning.
Thank you for calling out corporate America and the growing billionaire class on their shameful and dangerous greed.
Thank you for refusing to take even a dime from a Super PAC even though your campaign could've used the money.
Thank you for calling out the corporate media and how they represent ratings and special interests more than they'll ever admit.
Thank you Bernie.
My latest, on a man millions of us grew to love, trust, and respect.https://t.co/kCnJYApF9C pic.twitter.com/Dhaud2luqp
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) June 8, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/2n7UWjf7tNQ]
I don’t know what you’re going to do from here on, and I’m not going to advise you. You’ve earned the right to figure out the next steps for your campaign and the movement you have launched.
But let me tell you this: You’ve already succeeded.
At the start they labeled you a “fringe” candidate – a 74-year-old, political Independent, Jewish, self-described democratic socialist, who stood zero chance against the Democratic political establishment, the mainstream media, and the moneyed interests.
Then you won 22 states.
And in almost every state – even in those you lost – you won vast majorities of voters under 30, including a majority of young women and Latinos. And most voters under 45.
You have helped shape the next generation.
You’ve done it without SuperPACs or big money from corporations, Wall Street, and billionaires. You did it with small contributions from millions of us. You’ve shown it can be done without selling your soul or compromising your conviction.
You’ve also inspired millions of us to get involved in politics – and to fight the most important and basic of all fights on which all else depends: to reclaim our economy and democracy from the moneyed interests.
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We will not succumb to cynicism. We are in it for the long haul. We will never give up.
#ThankYouBernie & thx to the Berners who worked so hard! You've made me a better person & changed my life forever. pic.twitter.com/d56lHkETOX
— berningman2016 (@berningman16) June 8, 2016
[video:https://youtu.be/NGyu5WeV2BE]
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has endorsed Democrat Paul Clements in his bid against incumbent Rep. Fred Upton, R-St. Joseph, Clements' campaign announced this week.
The endorsement from Sanders was largely based on Clements' positions on climate change, according to a statement from Clements' campaign.
"I look forward to working with him to solve the issues that face America today, like the corrosive influence of money in politics and the fact the wealthiest people in this country play by a different set of rules," Clements said.
"Together, Senator Sanders and I will stand together to make the United States a leader in the fight against climate change — in a Congress where Democrats have earned a majority in both houses," he continued.
For being an actual amazing role model and inspiration #ThankYouBernie pic.twitter.com/DFomknifQq
— Cassandra Fairbanks (@CassandraRules) June 8, 2016
Comments
I hope Bernie soldiers on.
All this talk of, "he's changed the conversation," is empty rhetoric. More than conversations need to be changed. If he bends to their "unity" mode, what will it all have been for? Guess we'll find out today.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I agree
he didn't 'change' the conversation, he gave a microphone to the people already having that conversation!
Exactly correct, Liepar.
The volume of that microphone needs to be cranked up, if anything!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
And you picked it up and amplified it more.
Raggedy,
I sure expect him to carry on. He says to the convention. The District of Columbia votes June 14 and he's doing some rallies. Also, as has been noted at c99, California is still counting potentially millions of votes. They have until July 8 to report the count to the Secy State.
I doubt Obama can talk him out of doing what he knows is best.
The struggle continues.
Thanks for your level head, OLinda.
The establishment is ruthless, but Bernie is one savvy guy. He needs to stand his ground with Obama and Reid.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Savvy, absolutely, Raggedy.
Strong too. He can stand his ground. What is his Secret Service name? Oh yeah, Intrepid. Fearless.
OLinda, can you explain to me why Obama
can not endorse Sanders?
I can't believe that everybody seems to think it is a given that Obama HAS to be "neutral" (which he is not as long as he is silent and enables dirty tricks in primaries to be left unpunished or unaccounted for - he could, if he had integrity as a lawyer in him, at least criticize the main stream media abuse of the electoral process in declaring HRC as a "clinching" nominee.) There are no rules engraved in stone that he has to be a "uniter" or has to endorse Clinton.
All his "uniting" efforts during his Presidency has resulted in everything but unity. Using racism and sexism as arguments and political tools has caused racism and sexism to increase. (And not only in the US, it's a phenomenon spreading like wildfire throughout the inter tubes jumping over into real life spaces).
Obama has disappointed in many ways, but to me this tops it.
https://www.euronews.com/live
No, I guess I can't exactly, mimi.
Generally it is bad form for a President to get involved in a Primary by picking sides. It is supposed to be left to the people to decide in a primary.
I suppose he could have endorsed Bernie, but I don't think he ever wanted to. He has always wanted Hillary to win - imo. He is the establishment that Bernie is fighting. Now, of course, establishment players like Obama accept that Hillary is the nominee, so Obama just wants to get out there and campaign for her. As President he is the head of the Democratic Party more or less, so is expected now to help the Democratic nominee get elected.
I understand your disappointment. This whole country can be a disappointment. I think it was never in the cards that Obama would be for Bernie, however, so it was too much to expect, or hope for. He is probably more like Clinton than like Sanders as well. He is not the liberal Democrat we thought he was when we voted for him.
Hillary campaigned hard for Obama as well. Maybe he feels it's his turn to help her now.
Well, a few random thoughts.
so, if it is bad for Obama or any President for that matter
to get involved in a Primary by picking sides, he is a bad President, because by being silent he became the enabler of one side, ie Clinton's.
Just to make clear what people think they can swipe under the carpet.
https://www.euronews.com/live
IMHO Obama and Clinton made a deal in 2008.
Perhaps a more profound and wide-ranging one than even the most cynical among us imagined.
Obama is a corporate Democrat
He would not endorse Sanders in any case.
Obama will likely ask Bernie to withdraw
and throw his support to HRC. The real reason is there is a possibility that HRC will be indicted. If Bernie is still nominally in the race, he would have a good chance of being nominated if there is an HRC indictment. If he withdraws from the race, it will be much easier for Obama, the DNC and other corporate Democrats to install one of their own as the presidential nominee. I obviously hope Bernie does not withdraw and I don't think he will.
The establishment Democrats will never, ever
support Bernie.
Yes, but he changed the conversation in the MSM
Despite their almost total disregard of him, we are still seeing new "reports" on income inequality. Your average uninformed American has become aware of it in a concrete way.
Call it bringing a megaphone or changing the conservation - either way, it IS a bigger deal than you are giving credit for.
We can't get anything done if we can't get people to even acknowledge there's an issue. Simply by getting those issues out in a national forum, he has made it impossible for the PTB to pretend there is no issue.
Doesn't mean I buy into the unity message, but I don't hold it against Bernie if he decides that's the path he has to take. He always said he'd work within the Democratic party and he may feel he has to honor that. There is something to be said for keeping your word even when the other side lied and cheated. It wouldn't be my choice, but so be it.
Either way, I'll never vote for Hillary. But if he does stay to work within the Democratic party, when Hillary loses, they can't blame him. That's on her - so that's a small positive, I guess.
No one is saying Sanders did
No one is saying Sanders did not have a profound effect on the larger American society as a whole.. Obviously he has. With that out of the way. It's not really on point. What I'm saying is .. I really don't want to hear the 'pep talk' blogs. I don't need to be told how much I am appreciated or how much Bernie tried... .. as if to say... 'you tried, but oh well, eat shit and die' all nicey nicey.. I need to see Sanders have the guts to actually lead the American People .. and to do so.. he needs to make a very profound decision.. one he has already told us ..he has made...(to support Hillary) and that is to step away from the corrupt Democratic party. Otherwise, he reinforces the power of the elite against the very people he convinced to support him. And why? Because of the FEAR OF FEAR ITSELF.. Because TRUMP.. and to me that's not a good enough reason to betray the American people in support of the profoundly corrupt Dem Administration.
The DNC will play along with the plank thing........
they need to rope the progressives back into the fold for the vote in November. Once that is accomplished and Hillary is crowned, all bets are off. Look how long it took Obama to back away from every progressive notion in the Democratic Party - SECONDS.
Stealing California was a bold move, but necessary to cement the idea that Hillary had the nomination. Does anyone believe that from a dead heat Hillary pulled out a staggering victory? No we are going to war.
None of the progressive ideas will matter once Hillary starts WWIII for real. That's where we are. We are looking at Armageddon as the neocons/libs surround Russia and China and continue to provoke incidents that they then turn into propaganda against the Russians and Chinese.
Our insane leadership actually believes we can "win" a tactical nuclear war with Russia and China. If you believe our obese, unfit young people sitting in the basement playing video games are going to be able to fight a war, you have another think coming.
The idea that we have next year, next election cycle, next whatever is an illusion. These people are CRAZY. They are trying to maintain the Petro Dollar as the world currency and it isn't working. They will go to any lengths in attempt to maintain the bankers. Gadaffi had to die because he was creating a gold Dinar for trade in North Africa. His televised heinous death was a message to any world leader who thinks they can challenge US Hegemony. Hillary laughed about it.
I hate being chicken little, but we have to do everything we can to change the dynamic that is leading straight to Hell. If it takes a third-party run, then so be it. The Democratic Party is dead to the 99% of us who will suffer the consequences of a Hillary victory.
The morons think we can use those young folks...
playing video games to fight our wars. Just attach the controllers to Drones.
This mentality comes from that same stupid place that assumes that you can bomb people without consequences, fight a war without "boots on the ground" and that there will always be somebody desperate enough to sign up to be the cannon fodder who nobody cares about.
War is a racket.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
... When Cicero had finished speaking --
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
I still cringe a bit when his erst-religion
is mentioned almost as a tchotchke, how cute. I have no idea (and don't care) whether his family were Orthodox (except they weren't). What would one fear from even a practicing Jew? Mandatory circumcision? Ban on Christmas?
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I never gave Bernie's religion a thought...
... until others mentioned it.
I'm a devotee of the absolute separation of church and state, want a sane president who will issue a countermanding executive order to eliminate the 'office of faith-based initiatives' that Dumbya set up with one of his first executive orders in his first term.
Besides which, there's Article VI, paragraph 3:
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
If he's no threat then why the rush to get him out?
Was Sanders wrong to say 'people don't care about her damn emails'? Could be
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
He was right at the time.
Now we know more. However, it wouldn't have mattered. The Clinton Machine was at peak performance, with giant tires to run over any obstacle in their way to a new gravy train.
I thought he was wrong
at the time. Politically wrong. Gave help to Clinton which was sure not necessary. Signaled to many he was not going to fight for the nom as well. He proved that to be wrong though didn't he. He is a fighter.
A misstep early on, possibly before he realized how close he could get and that he could win. I think if he had to do it over, he wouldn't do it. But, I also think he is not looking backwards, or dwelling on ifs and buts.
He ran and is running a great campaign.
I disagree. I think it showed he cared about policy, first
He felt he could beat her on substance, not scandal. And he does beat her on substance, and probably would have won if this Primary had been run as an unbiased race.
I don't think his point was that lying and breaking rules was fine. His point was they were there to debate on their policy positions, not derail it into Clinton scandal-mongering when we didn't have the data we needed to know exactly what she had or hadn't done.
Allowing the narrative to be about Clinton scandals - lord knows there are enough of them to fill every debate - would have given more time to her to spin lies, and less time for him to focus on the issues that matter to regular Americans.
Not if Bernie... turns around
Not if Bernie... turns around ... and like a dog returns to his vomit.. It all up to him now.. and this is where the 'real' revolution starts. Let's see what Bernie is made of... I love him, that's not going to change, but ..he started this whole 'real' hope thing.. now he has to finish it....
The thing started before Bernie
decided to run. He is certainly under no obligation to finish it. We need to finish it. Looking for heroes always ends badly.
Sanders has more than paid his dues.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
oh.. okay.. my bad.. hmmm ..
oh.. okay.. my bad.. hmmm .. yeah.. 'we need to finish it' without Bernie
Yeah.. I'm starting to realize I don't fit in with this narrative..
I'm voting Bernie.. or Green... at least I'm going to vote.
It's going to take me a little while to stop feeling angry before I'm able to go numb again.
It is Okay
to be angry, I still am angry as hell too. Not real sure I'll ever be able to go completely numb ever again though! But it is OUR fight really, Bernie just helped us start it on a bigger level. I am still planning on voting too, just never for HRC and never for the T Rump. If Green makes it to the WA ballot I'll vote Green just to keep my vote out of either Corporate party's counts.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I don't think it's all up to him now
but he could certainly make things a lot harder for organizers, or a lot easier, depending on what he chooses to do.
Thinking "it's all up to him now" is looking for a level of leadership it's not safe to look for under these political conditions.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I agree
It also gave the trolls in the Clinton II back shop an indication that they could get away with anything--"racist", "Bernie bros", "English only", "chair throwing"--without any real retaliation. That's just how they roll. Of course, any time anyone in the Sanders camp told it like it was, it was meanness and sexism, sniff, sniff...
Sanders was doing his best to toe a very fine line.
See my comment above
If Bernie withdraws and HRC is indicted, it will be much easier for the Corporate Democrats to install one of their own. If Bernie is still in the race and HRC is indicted, with all Bernie's committed delegates, he will have a chance of being nominated. The Corporate Dems want to put him behind them as soon as possible.
Obama .. by blocking FOIA
Obama .. by blocking FOIA requests until after the election .. has made it clear.. that even if an indictment was to come down the pike for Hillary.. he will block it until after she is elected .. and we all know he will then pardon her in the interim between the handing over of the government to the Clinton's .. So.. that issue is off the table.. If you ask me... it doesn't matter if proof that Hillary Clinton is a serial killer was presented to Obama or the Dem Admin... they have no intention of giving up their 1% er .. control of this world... not today.. not tomorrow.. not ever!
Sanders didn't want scandal to eclipse important issues
People always forget the last half of that comment...sick of those e'mails; LET"S FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. He wasn't saying people don't care about Hillary' errors and crimes and mistakes and lies, etc--he was saying that this should be an issues driven debate. And other places he has referred to letting law enforcement take care of this issue. Even recently as regards what he'll do before convention, he said something to the effect of alot could happen in that time [between June 7 and July 27] alluding to the FBI I believe.
I think Bernie cares very much about the e-mails, the foundation [fraud?] and he knows we voters do too. He just has chosen to use his time in speeches and interviews in stating his PLATFORM which helps people see the new way going forward for the democracy of our country. Hillary and her scandals will come and go, but Bernie's ideas can live on for decades yet.
The focus on the movement going forward is encouraging
The next chapter is finally here, and it is perhaps more important than the last one. Bernie Sanders has become the leader of a movement, not just a defeated presidential candidate. The campaign to change politics -- and perhaps even the Democratic Party -- continues, and it's clear Bernie is not about to slow down. Nor should we.
I'll be looking hard at Bernie-endorsed candidates in smaller races, where a bit of my money could make a difference. I'll also follow Brand New Congress. Watching where the movement goes from here, and what Bernie does to further its growth, is going to be fascinating.
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All good points
In addition to those I'll be looking at the movements outside of formal politics, OWS, BLM, etc. I think that this will tell us a lot.
There could also be a movement formed that is, in effect, a rebellion against the two candidates that this cycle has presented to us. This one could be an interesting coalition of those who have very different political philosophies but who are in fundamental agreement that the political election process is little more than kabuki. THE US is currently anything but a democracy.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
And just a quick thought
that our plutocrats may not be even thinking about. With all the young people who are in staggering debt from college and unemployed or under employed and no hope for any meaningful change to that, there will be a lot of savvy young people with plenty of time on their hands to get out and protest and make noise... Here's hoping that comes to pass. Would be really lovely for the plutocrats to be hoisted on their own petard of not allowing any correction/progression on income inequality or unemployment.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Hi Dallasdoc
always appreciated your comments at the other place.
I very much hope
Bernie is thinking about more than another DFA.
If he isn't we should be.
that said, I really hope he repurposes his campaign structure for an ongoing fight, even if it is only around electoral politics. Any infrastructure that we could use would be welcome.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
IMO, whatever else Bernie does, he should be
negotiating the best deal he can get on behalf of the Equality Movement. Not just in declarations, but in actions, as well.
"All Life is Problem Solving" - Karl Popper
Too bad Carlin is dead.
And Bernie put the message first in terms of wealth discrepancies and did not make the full connection to Voice. I am not sure what line could be used to the people, it's a complex dot set to get from money influence to Voice in the total context. They want your vote. They don't give a damn if you did not pick A or B. Then you will be ignored.
Call or email any legislator's office and likely get some peon who promises to send your Voice over or you get a robo e-mail response thanking you for your interest, here's MY position because I know more than you. Bye.
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I think that Bernie is doing just that. But,
I'm doubting that he will actually be able to take very many 'actions' on behalf of his movement, once he's back in the Senate. They say that he will return to the Senate next week. By that, I mean other than declarations. Of course, they count for something, if they rally his supporters.
The Dem Party Establishment is already gloating today on Cable News, about helpful Bernie will be as Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee, and his ability to push through FSC's (corporatist) agenda.
('corporatist' is my addition, btw)
In my heart of hearts, I believe that we should be resigned to fight on 'in Bernie's name.' I say this, only because I truly believe that the PtB would destroy him personally and politically, if he returns to the Senate as the leader of a 'leftist movement.' And we can't expect him to take that chance.
I don't trust anything the Establishment Dems say, since words are cheap.
Bottom line, I think it's time to continue Bernie's work--outside the Dem Party.
Have a good one!
Mollie
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Politics is about leverage
The Sander's movement has to find ways of always having leverage otherwise any deals done and agreements reached will not be worth the paper that they are written on.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
If he had lost fair and square,
it would be one thing. She fucking stole this election one vote, one precinct, one delegate, one state at a time. It is hard for me to imagine any scenario for party unity that isn't one big freaking lie. I'll support Bernie, but Hillary and the Democratic Party can kiss my @ss. This includes all of the superDs and organizations that endorsed her.
Hillary is every bit as illegitimate as George W. Bush was in 2000. She can declare herself the nominee or Queen, she will remain illegitimate to me.
What happens if Bernie ends up winning CA after all the votes are counted. The poll workers totally screwed people over AGAIN with provisional ballots.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Queen would be more honest.
Anointed by the power of the media. By the grace of the lords of the Party. Our Dictator for life...
Her royal Highness, Queen Hillary, Empress of the American Empire, Duke of The Eastern Seaboard, Countess of New York, Baroness of Wall Street.
I bring that idea up because it makes guillotines into an option for later...
For all practical purposes, she's already given us our "L'etat C'est Moi" speech.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
i'd just been thinking about taking out my knitting again
You're pretty damned awesome.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
back atcha'
I hauled out my pitchfork today
(it's a 4-tine) and turned over a compost pile mebbe two years old. It fluffed up real nice! And I have pitchfork practice underway. No knitting for me.
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We don't always agree dkmich
but how this whole election went down absolutely sucks. I am rip-shit at everything from how the ballots are processed, to message rigging in the media to trotting out Democrats to lie about Bernie's record. And the worst thing is, I am dismissed as a conspiracy theorist without a shred of "proof".
This is why I was surprised Bernie ran as a Dem. The club of elites would never let him win their nomination. Unlike the GOP with Trump, the Clinton's had all the tools necessary to rig the election.
He wanted the access to the media
and a way to grab the attention of millions of people.
And he got it.
I only hope he intends to keep it.
To paraphrase Franklin, "It's a movement--if you can keep it."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I agree
That's my line also. I think she's milquetoast on policy and loves any and every war but the thing that sealed my vow not to vote for her, ever was her disenfranchisement of millions of voters. Some shit I don't forgive.
Don't believe everything you think.
Can't help but post this in response--
[Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0]
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ah.. I see, the People have already Given Up
As I read today's propaganda, it appears the collective has decided that Hillary Clinton and her campaign machine have 'won' this clearly corrupt and perverted primary. It seems that's all it takes.. just accept defeat and pat Bernie Sanders on the back for being a 'good sport' . well...
Now we find out what the American people are made of... and if today's news is any example... we are going to get the Government we deserve. The fix is in... the 1% WIN... YAY
And.. I can see the excuses already being made.. er.. I mean... the fond memories of what 'Bernie Sanders' did to 'change the narrative'... and all the BS about making a 'good old boy try' ... while our lives are hung out to dry in the parched desert sun and the threat of mass killing strikes deep in the heart of the ME. Clinton will show Putin whose in charge..huh? And Iran.. they better hope her buddy in Israel doesn't decide if the Iranians get to live or die... cause Hillary loves her some war...
Yes... It's a lovely day in the neighborhood... and I got mine!
And so... I consider this 'Walk Down Memory Lane' blog an insult and reading the back pedaling comments .. pathetic.
ConeArt, If it were not so devastating destructive to my mind
I would allow myself a little "Schadenfreude" and congratulate the American people for being such "Good Americans" after I had learned and heard for years now how good the "Good Germans" are.
I can't feel any of it, I am just extremely disappointed and lost to see how helpless one is to prevent this "coup" to continue in slow motion. It's a pretty destructive experience, imo.
https://www.euronews.com/live
yep.. no one likes their
yep.. no one likes their emotions played with.. I was doing fine in denial ... I'd gotten over that thing called 'hope' and had done an excellent job of shutting off the 'care' factor... I was having trouble with the neo-liberal selfishness of gentrification in the arts.. I must admit... .everyone striving to reach the height of white privilege in the arts... so my denial wasn't perfect.. but I'd almost gotten to the point where I could move on and just give up hope, not care and 'be the change I wanted to see in the world' blah, blah, blah ..........only to hear Bernie Sanders tell me that all these years .. what I knew in my heart .. what I thought mattered in life .. was real..that there was a 'future to believe in' . so... the monster in me has awoken from the sleep of hopelessness and I've even been willing to experience a number of panic attacks to stay awake and try....
But.. Bernie told us.. if he couldn't 'WIN' he'd give into the establishment and go back to working for them .. helping them gentrify the world for the 1% ... because TRUMP.. but I didn't want to hear that.. so I ignored it.... My bad!
Because: Jill Stein and the Green Party
Not sure I see it exactly that way
Bernie chose to work the insider route on the national level after 20+ years as a virtual unknown indie. He single handedly changed Vermont from a liberal Republican/moderate Dem state to democratic socialist. If you think his work does not have a future to believe in, you are welcome to come to the Green Mts and look around.
I anticipate Bernie will do what he said he would do, and work to defeat Trump. I rather doubt that will involve a kumbaya intiative with her majesty. I've never been a Dem and until this year, never voted in their primary. The party is "toast" and I too will be voting Stein for Prez and VT Prog Party down ticket.
yep.. it's Bernie or Green
yep.. it's Bernie or Green for me
Have they?
I'm seeing a lot of threads about what to do next.
I agree with you about the "Oh Bernie contributed SO MUCH (past tense)" memes. They're just crap, or at best, they are people who have been so starved of representation for so long that they really ARE grateful, like I'd be grateful if you took my head out of a bucket and put an oxygen mask on me for a while.
But there's a great deal that indicates people intend to continue. They're not sure how, and they don't know whether they'll have Bernie as a leader post-Philadelphia or not.
You can either blow on the sparks, or piss on them, or walk away because you're too mad at the obvious injustice to deal with this right now. But that doesn't mean other people have "given up."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Condescending Claptrap
They're patting Bernie on the head, telling him he was a good little boy for pointing out the obvious, but $he has claimed the win (there are votes yet to be counted, remember), so now it's time to unite behind her, put up with her smelly farts because she will do NOTHING towards policies Bernie championed. She only lied to her tens, sometimes hundreds, of people in her audiences when she plagiarized Bernie's talking points and she has fooled her adoring minions by sounding like Bernie sometimes. She took her actions straight out of KKKarl Rove's playbook, and since Bill & Dumbya and $Hillary are now bosom buddies because of the "charities" they run through the Clinton Foundation's money laundering business, she may well have had direct contact with Turdblossom, by phone if not in person.
I didn't listen to the whole speech Bernie made last night, but I don't recall seeing any excerpts where he said he conceded the race, so if/when the uncounted votes put Bernie over the top, I expect to hear massive wailing, gnashing of teeth, screams of outraged frustration from the KKKlinton KKKamp.
If there is a god, Bernie will still come out on top when ALL the votes have been counted. Otherwise, if the American populace - once AGAIN! - turns back to being members of the Milquetoast Family of Accepting Criminals for Our Leaders, then I give up on us. I'll know then that Stupid has taken over, we will continue to participate in our own extinction for the sake of political party unity, corporate greed. $Hillary will never stop the pollution of our planet's earth, air, water, or try to change our energy sources, etc.
Buh-bye Cruel World!
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
You seem to be under the misapprehension
that I would give one vote, one dime, or one minute of my time to Hillary Clinton or anyone associated with her machine, or any but maybe three or four associated w/her party. You think I'm going to #UniteBlue?
Not sure why you think that, Nonny?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
My apologies. It was what you quoted that set me off...
... not anything you wrote as your opinion, commentary. I'm sorry for not writing clearly enough to make that known.
I'm frustrated, can't deal with the fact the primaries have been stolen from Bernie (altho I realize CA has not finished counting votes yet, but I don't know if those votes will count)... and as of yet no one has made a huge stink about the stolen primaries in other states as well as CA.
Moronic Media is just fine with the illegal activities of the KKKlinton KKKampaign. They love her and anticipate a lot of revenue if/when she's elected because they'll have diversionary scandals and impeachment and other illegal, immoral, unethical actions on her part (and that of her hubby) to report on while still ignoring all the important issues Bernie talked about.
If $he gets to the Oval, it will be just as disastrous as when the Bushistas were there, perhaps worse, given her warmongering stances, and then, of course, there's the money laundering via the Clinton Foundation.
It gets to me (and is not good for my health issues).
Again, my apologies.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
No problem. Just glad you realize
I'm #BernieOrBust!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
:-) I'm Bernie or Bust, too! :-)
Bernie or Bust, and NEVER $Hillary!
There is nothing anyone can say or do or threaten or coerce or cajole me with that would get me to vote for $Hillary, and she does not have a natural speaker's powers of persuasion that could let me be persuaded to vote for her (I never liked her, and that goes clear back to 1992; I knew she was a liar then, and she hasn't changed). She is from the lying, warmongering, DINO wing of the Rethuglican party, and my ethical and moral standards won't let me vote "for" that kind of idiocy. It's just that simple.
If Bernie's name is not on the ballot, and if I cannot write in his name, I will leave the prez section blank and vote for the few down-ticket Dems who have platforms closest to Bernie's. Leaving the ovals blank for any particular section is my personal voter version of "Present but not voting," a phrase I sometimes see on Roll Call votes for the House or Senate.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
I saw a FB initiative (from PTB, I guess)
#Iguessi'mwithher. I guess I am not. No, #i'mnotwithher.
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There are still millions of votes waiting to be
counted in California. This isn't over.
This entire primary was stolen, and now we
are ready to turn away from Bernie and talk about what a wonderful guy he was? Just let this travesty happen and give this to a person like Hillary Clinton?
No way.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
This is where Bernie Sanders
This is where Bernie Sanders shows us what he's really made of...
And please .. hold off the ... 'Yes, but Bernie told us he was going to betray us from the beginning and support the 1% if they were able to legally, socially and politically steal this election' ... and support the Dem Party.. because TRUMP... sheesh..
Come on Bernie.. it's time for you to have a Revelation..
He never claimed he was going to
support the 1%, not sure where you're getting that. And he has been fighting the corrupt for years, we just never heard about it before because that does not suit the narrative. He wasn't famous before this, but he was still there, doing the same job and trying to fight the good fight.
That said, I am hoping he reneges on his "promise" to support the Democrat, but that's just me. He may not do that, and politically he would perhaps not even keep his Senate seat if he did do that.
You're right on that this game is rigged to high heaven, and he did give us all hope when most of us, me included, had decided there was none. I am still right with you on skepticism, and I don't think even Bernie can get the things he wants done in this current system. But I still hope. It isn't over yet, even if it feels that way right now. I am going to cling to that thought for a while, we'll see how long I last.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
He has not promised to support Hillary Clinton
Unless there's something I haven't heard. The talking point is "I will do everything necessary to prevent Donald Trump from becoming President."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
CStS, there have been several announcements since Bernie
met with the Prez (who Tweeted out his support of FSC, as soon as Bernie left the Oval).
Can't post now, but will be posting at EB, later.
For those who haven't tuned into Cable news (or some news source), you might want to. I'm listening to the White House briefing now.
Sea change . . .
Mollie
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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Two more things:
You're right about the Senate seat. He may keep it, but he will be forcibly sidelined for good for as long as he is there. No more amendments for the Amendment King.
As someone said on Twitter: Fraud dissolves all promises.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Right now.. It's all up to
Right now.. It's all up to Bernie.. We aren't turning away....we are waiting to see what he is gong to do next ....
"In the interest of party unity," that's what $he wants
The Sanders campaign was never about fairy dust and unicorns pooping rainbows. Most Democrats are not sheeple, and there are a good many of us (me, for one) who will NEVER, EVER vote for Hillary. The scare tactics of the last 20 years no longer work.
I want some actual NEWS to get "out there" about the election fraud and exit poll vs vote total counts, voter suppression, etc., to show the world what a fucking crook $he is.
Food for thought:
Google involved with Clinton campaign, controls information flow – Assange — RT America | June 7, 2016
Redacted Tonight with Lee Camp has had some good episodes about Election Tampering, Fraud, Skewed Exit Polls, none of which favored Bernie Sanders. Each episode is about 26 minutes long.
[3] The 2016 Election WILL Be Stolen - Here's How (with Greg Palast) [VIP], Mar 10, 2016
[90] Google Will Steal Election, Hillary Is Corporate Shill, & CPAC Infiltrated, Mar 11, 2016
[6] Google Will Steal This Election & How - Dr. Robert Epstein Interview, Apr 7, 2016
[93] Bernie Getting Cheated, U.S. Arming Both Sides, & Much More [Comedy/ News], April 1, 2016
[96] Proof The NY Primary Wasn’t Legit, The 28 Pages Revealed, & Much More, Apr 22, 2016
Election Fraud, Tainted Water & More - Mike Papantonio Talks with Lee Camp, Apr 28, 2016
[97] Election Fraud Special Report! (You Won't Believe This) Apr 29, 2016 [Graphics about exit poll discrepancies.]
[VIP 11] Exit Poll Expert Proves Election Fraud Against #Bernie - with Richard Charnin, May 5, 2016
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
This "travesty" is by design
Remember, the Democrats make their rules and are responsible for the enforcement. In other words, the fix is in. I have been waiting for a revision of the results in Iowa, NY et al and haven't heard a thing. I am not prepared to wait around for the Democrats in California to get their shit together.
Last night I waved a placard and shook Bernie's hand to thank him for all his work as he returned from CA. I told him we need him to continue on and I am sure he will. I am able to pony up a few more bucks for his campaign and will.
I'm not quitting the movement, just not joining the D party. They had a clear opportunity to embrace their FDR heritage and rejected it in favor of the polar opposite.
waiting until after convention to make my move
I want to see what Bernie's platform people are able to do, and the final results of the convention vote before I decide. By the end of convention, Bernie will have communicated his plan about 3rd party or not and hopefully we will know one way or another about the FBI investigation. Then I'll decide.
"Bernie's influence is evident..."
That phrase is dripping with condescension.
Her Majesty got hers through fraud, disenfranchisement, manipulation..., so now she has to get rid of Bernie with a condescending pat on the head, tell him he was a good boy for playing, but now she has to get back to her original narrative and ignore Bernie and his legions of supporters (many of whom will never, ever vote for Her).
Bernie or Bust!!! NEVER $Hillary!!!
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
It's a condescending eulogy after they shot him in the back.
This party is dead meat and so is their queen.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Just wanted to note that the
Just wanted to note that the opinions/headlines in the post are a 'roundup' of whats floating around in the MSMosphere, not a reflection of any of my own personal beliefs
Time to put together a F-k
Time to put together a F-k You Diary and show us what Bernie is made of.. this diary honors Hillary. whether you realize it or not.
No it does not honor $hillary. It reports on
the condescension from the PTB. It in no way honors HRH, for whom I won't ever vote. In fact I'm just timing my exit from the party. Don't know when it's going to be, yet.
Don't believe everything you think.
I'm looking forward to reading your diary.
This diary is a roundup of news involving Bernie. Always has been.
Lieper is bringing you a rounding up of the news....
He isn't writing it. Does the msm support Hillary? You bet. LD can only do so much.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I know that Lieper.....
We promise to not shoot the messenger.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I just lost
what little respect I had left for Obama after reading his comment about Bernie making the Whore a better candidate. The only thing Bernie made her better at was lying and cheating.
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.
I am Titanium
I am Titanium
I think Bernie will try to show Obama
that Hillary will not win against Trump. And then he will do the same thing in his meeting with Reid.
He is starting at the top and working his way down. According to Google, Congress is in session now, so Nancy Pelosi will be in DC and he can meet with her. He could meet with groups of every elected official in DC, probably starting with the Senate and then move on to the House. Now is the time to do those things.
Bear in mind that I'm just guessing. Bernie doesn't confide in me.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
that raised my spirits a bit.
that raised my spirits a bit.. thanks.
Either the establishment wants to deal with the corruption
and hijacking of democracy or it doesn't. Everything else is frosting on a shit cake. We can not deal directly with the corruption while Hillary is a candidate for President. Period.
Beware the bullshit factories.
They are the source
There are some good Democrats (e.g. Elizabeth Warren, etc.) but corruption permeates every fiber of the Democratic Party establishment.
You are right Roy, there are some good Democrats
But this election shined a light on just how precious few there really are. No member of the Progressive caucus should have supported Hillary, and almost all did. Even Elizabeth Warren, who I admire, wouldn't get off the fence.
I actually believed the Party could be reformed and better Dems could be elected and make a difference. Bernie's candidacy has proven otherwise to me.
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