Why young people aren't voting in the primaries: a theory

This is my first post here; I brought this up in a couple of comments on DKos, but so far has been blown off.

I was thinking about this while at work the other day. "Why isn't the enthusiasm for Bernie translating to people showing up to vote?" At least in the primaries so far. Well, one reason, and this is by no means the only reason I think, is that a lot of us 35 and younger are working wage-slave jobs where it isn't easy to get time off. I know it's federal law to grant employees time off to vote, but I'm pretty sure that only applies to the general election. (If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me.) This can be a problem in caucus states, where voting is limited to a couple of hours in the evening.

Even if you can get the time off, it can be hard for a lot of people to justify even a few hours of unpaid time off when you need so much money for rent, student loan debt, car payments and insurance, health care, child care, bills and groceries, and so on. And these wage-slave jobs are the only jobs a lot of us can get.

At my work, we don't get paid time off for anything. (Yay, right-to-work. Not.) It's even hard to get unpaid time off, and then corporate gives you lots of flak for taking time off. I recently had the worst cold I've had in years, could not stop coughing. I begged for a day off, but I couldn't because most of the people at my work were also sick and no one could cover for me. (Forcing people to come to work sick doesn't do anyone any favors, especially in the food industry, but that's another rant for another time.) My husband had a vasectomy on Thursday, and I couldn't even get the whole day off to take care of him afterward. I haven't been back to visit my home state in two years.

Hubby and I plan to go to caucus Tuesday night; we were trying to work things out with the pastry crew so we can start an hour earlier that day so we can get there when it starts, but I still don't know if we can.

I don't know if my theory has much merit, but this is my experience; I can't be the only one that can't easily get time off though. If everyone who wanted to vote in the primaries was able to, things might look different right now.

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Add in a corrupt political process that doesn't want the great unwashed to vote, and there you go. My grandson was working in a pizza joint that could care less whether he lived or died. After several months of abuse and being forced to come into work sick, he finally refused. They fired him of course. I helped him file for his unemployment just to make sure they paid. The money wasn't much, not even for a 19-year-old, but the satisfaction was immense.

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at least part of it. There are many, far too
many of all ages working crap jobs.

I want to commend both you and your
husband for doing your best to make it to
the Utah caucus. It is, as you know, important.

Let us know if you do manage to make it
and what your experience was like.

Best wishes.

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Daenerys's picture

Thanks, I definitely will write about it! I caucused in 2008; if I get a chance to be a delegate I might do it this time, depending on when the county and state conventions are. Saturdays are my only guaranteed day off.

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This shit is bananas.

Lots of painful struggle out there. And getting worse.

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Martha Pearce-Smith's picture

as part of a party platform. Making election days mandatory holidays... EVERYTHING closes down except essential personnel (fire, police, healthcare). OR make it EASY to vote, online, by mail...something! We must fix this issue of access...

Oh, and EVERYONE becomes registered FOR LIFE at 18.

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Daenerys's picture

Absolutely; I'm all for doing voting by mail or online, at least as an option if you can't physically make it to the polls. There are still too many places that are open even on holidays; at my work, we bake bread for the following day, so we have to work pretty much all holidays--at least at corporate; the location I'm at now is franchise and we were able to have Thanksgiving and Christmas off last year.

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Dhyerwolf's picture

I read this great article a few days ago on Brazil that touched on some effects of mandatory voting in a cursory, but in a way that I definitely feel is good demonstration of it's power:

Actually, there's probably a lot of good lessons to be learned from the article, but it's pretty clear that mandatory voting has at least in one way massively increased the power of lower socioeconomic classes (who unfortunately are still betrayed by those that they elect).

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Only three states (Oregon, Washington, and Colorado) conduct elections via vote by mail. Oregon has had vote by mail the longest, since a ballot initiative was passed in 1998.

Keisling decided to take a second look at available voter turnout data. According to the United States Elections Project at George Mason University, voter participation in Washington and Oregon ranks near or at the top among eligible voters and registered voters.

Keisling contends that universal vote-by-mail is demonstrably the most effective means of ballot delivery because it unites the voter with the ballot. He argues that vote-by-mail’s track record suggests security concerns are largely misplaced because any mischief is limited to single votes and caught through signature checks.

Voting by mail has been a success in increasing voter participation and as a cost saving measure.

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My hometown is an older demographic of voters that consistently get to the polls. They know exactly where, when and how to vote since they've lived in the town for donkey's years. Young people have work and children commitments and move more frequently than older people. That involves re-registering, new polling places and other complications which diminish turnout. I think we need a national holiday for voting and automatic voter registration at the polls. (Election monitoring is in order as well, sadly.) It's unfair that older voters have outsized influence in our elections.

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That's also a good point. My driver's license doesn't have our current address on it; I should probably hunt down our voter registration cards. We'll be moving out of our apartment in April, so we'll have to register again and find our new polling place once we've moved in with MIL before November.

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a good question--whether federal law mandates that workers can take off from work, to vote in Presidential elections.

I'm a retired career federal employee, and I'm not familiar with a federal law that would mandate that workers must be allowed time off from work, to vote. But, that is not to say that there is not one.

Most states that we've live in (and we've also voted absentee when living outside of the country), had polls that were open from about 7:00 a.m. until 7:00 p.m. So, it wasn't difficult for us to cast our votes after work hours. (Which is not true for many folks, I recognize.)

Great to see you so politically engaged--look forward to hearing about your caucus night.

You know, it's hard to believe that 'sick leave' is not a right in this nation. We earned approximately 13 days per year in federal service. Of course, some of our benefits were negotiated in lieu of higher pay. Still, that was one worry that I rarely had--getting time off for illness, or necessary personal business.

My best to you and your Hubby--hope you both feel much better soon.

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Thanks for the warm welcome! It already feels more like a community than DK.

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Well, there are several dynamics at work here. As a counterpoint, Colorado had enormous turnout for the March caucuses, much of which consisted of young people and first-timers. At my Colorado precinct caucus, 80% of the attendees were first-timers (including myself): some young, some gray like me, but all newly engaged. My precinct broke 2:1 for Sanders, but due to delegate math and rounding we were only allocated two delegates- one for HRC, and one for Sanders. I was selected as the Sanders delegate to the county convention- which happened today. An initial show of hands indicated that even at the county convention, close to 50% were first time attendees- and turnout was huge, as one might expect from the huge turnout two weeks ago. Sounds wonderful, no?

I was there for 6 hours. Essentially nothing happened for 4.5 of them, and when things did happen it wasn't at all clear why they did. A lot of time was spent with people on the stage and at the podium talking to each other with their backs to the crowd. There was controversy when it was announced that the delegate allocation had been done prior to our arrival, and HRC had 110 delegates to 97 for Sanders, and that we were there simply to vote for the delegates to fill that predetermined allocation. "That's how caucuses work" was the explanation.

Okay- I was led to believe that Sanders had gotten more votes in the initial caucuses, but that due to delegate allocation rounding some adjustments needed to be made. I was a bit disquieted to hear that the adjustments led to HRC getting more delegates than Sanders, but after all, "that's how caucuses work". I was proud to serve, but ultimately I am forced to conclude that my presence there was meaningless. After 6 hours, I left. We had only finally gotten around to voting for the delegates for the next levels of convention (district, and then state), which was what I'd committed to do. I don't know what they did after that. For all I know, they are still there. The parking lot had emptied out noticeably when I gave up. This was the opposite of the energizing experience I had at the precinct caucus.

I did my bit: I voted for the Sanders representatives to move on to the next levels, turned in my ballot, and left. I don't know how many of the newly engaged and energized first timers will be back. There were a lot of very pissed-off people who couldn't understand why the business of the convention couldn't be accomplished in the 8:30am-1:30pm time specified, and like me, who didn't have the time to sit and wait for some gravid announcement of some next activity after yet more hours of delay. It was, in short, a flat out incandescent clusterfuck.

I will be changing my registration to "unaffiliated" on Monday. The only reason to be a registered Democrat is to participate in that process- and that is something that I am unwilling to do again, as it certainly appeared to be an unalloyed waste of time. Perhaps the fraction of people remaining after I bailed out voted to scrap the caucus system and spend the money on a proper primary. I would have voted that way, if only they'd have gotten around to it....

If I were emperor, all elections would be vote-by-mail, tabulated by non-partisan personnel and not party hacks, and there would be no more caucuses. But what the fuck do I know? I am reminded of the Will Rogers quote: "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." Maybe I'll be one again sometime, when there's an actual value to associate with such a declaration. But for the nonce, all I can offer is "Hey, at least I _tried_"....

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Daenerys's picture

That's pretty messed up. I appreciate your perspective; now I know what to possibly expect with our caucuses as I have never been a delegate before. So states with just primaries just vote and that's that?

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I've lived in Colorado since 1999, but this was my first ever experience in actually participating in the caucus system here. I've always lived in primary states before coming here. Presumably, every other caucus state will do something *completely* different- because that is "how caucuses work". Primaries, on the other hand, are relatively simple: just count the goddamned votes already. Colorado does caucuses because they are, in some manner, "cheaper".

I'm afraid that I have something of a bellyful of bile right now, because I found the precinct-level caucus experience to be incredibly energizing ("Wow- I have neighbors who *don't* want to shoot me for not voting Republican!"). At the county level, on the other hand, it felt very much like "The decisions have been made by your betters, please endorse them for us, thank you, and then sit there and twiddle while we examine our navels for just a little longer".

Thank you for being a delegate. Be diligent, and follow through to the best of your ability, and make up for the fact that I couldn't: I hit the wall. I found out today that I was just too weak to participate in the process. I'm afraid that my threshold of "You just pissed me off!" is too low.

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Work is one reason for sure. In NC, 5% of voters were turned away for not having the right ID and we know young people are a big group that often doesn't have up to date identification. Lack of knowledge about registration, etc. are another part of it. But I would like to see some in depth looks at this as well.

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Hi greywolfe, that is another good point. As coolepairc pointed out above, moving around a lot and having to re-register often can present a whole other set of problems. Thanks!

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gulfgal98's picture

automatically suppress the youth vote because younger voters tend to be more mobile than the rest of the population. Voting should be made easy, not hard.

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(messed up a reply; ignore this.)

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and welcome to c99! Voting should be made as easy as possible, for everyone. To say we have gone backwards in this domain is an understatement and is but a continued pattern of our weakening democracy. Dare I say, the oligarchy is winning.

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elenacarlena's picture

Voting in the evening, I suppose, is supposed to compensate for that, but how many people have 9 to 5 jobs any more? Good on you and your husband for persisting.

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