Why do some people believe that Russia Gate is real while others can see that it's a hoax?

Caitlin explains why people who used to be against war are now happy about a possible one with Russia. She uses this video as an explanation for why some are dead certain that Russia interfered with the election even though it's an outlandish claim to many others.

"This is because people aren’t thinking. They are following."

Bingo! Anyone who doesn't buy into Russia Gate will be kicked off the island after being ridiculed and flagged of course and people like to feel like they belong to the cool kids group. Plus they believed Hillary was the most qualified candidate to run for president whilst ignoring her many flaws?

Why didn't Russia interfere with our elections before the last one? Are we supposed to believe that they did it just to keep Hillary out of the White House because Putin was scared of her? Why have people forgotten what Obama said about how safe our elections are? Why are people suddenly thinking that the FBI is telling them the truth this time after they have lied to us for so long? Mueller indicted 13 ham sandwiches Russians and 3 Russian companies that placed ads on Facebook (most were placed after the election) and they see that as proof that Russia did the deed, while we laughed at it. Plus there's the number of people who Mueller has charged for things that have nothing to do with election interference.

Another question is why were those of us who got kicked off the daily kos island because we knew that she was a bad choice for president because of her warmongering way, her pay to play and the other problems we had with her not buying into Russia Gate?

And why are the Russia Gaters so sure that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people while most of us here are seeing that this is the new WMDs scam?

This 5 minute video shows how easy it is to get people to conform with others.

Every few minutes a bell was rung, at which time all the actors would stand up for no discernible reason and then sit back down. The real patient was confused by this behavior at first, but by the third bell she was standing and sitting in unison with the rest of the herd.

Normalize Peace

And now we have groups that have a historical tradition of opposing the agendas of the US-centralized war machine actively cheerleading for escalations against Russia and regime change in Syria. Trump’s hawkish maneuvers against Russia, already far in excess of any ever undertaken by Obama, are being condemned by Democratic party leaders as grossly inadequate. Even some proper leftists who claim to oppose the predatory capitalism of the neocon centrists are now actively cheerleading for the longstanding CIA agenda of regime change in Syria. The obvious reality has been obscured that US military interventionism in the modern world is literally always disastrous, literally never helpful, literally always extremely profitable for military-industrial complex plutocrats, and literally always based on lies.

Ding. Did you stand up?

joe posted this in tonight's EBs

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snoopydawg's picture

This might throw Russia Gate off the daily insanity that passes for news these days. This could be huge if it goes anywhere. The FBI investigating and wiretapping Trump during the election should be what the media is covering, not the faltering Russia Gate. But so far no main stream media has said anything about it.

On the Criminal Referral of Comey, Clinton et al: Will the Constitution Hold and the Media Continue to Suppress the Story?

Wednesday’s criminal referral by 11 House Republicans of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as well as several former and serving top FBI and Department of Justice (DOJ) officials is a giant step toward a Constitutional crisis.

Named in the referral to the DOJ for possible violations of federal law are: Clinton, former FBI Director James Comey; former Attorney General Loretta Lynch; former Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe; FBI Agent Peter Strzok; FBI Counsel Lisa Page; and those DOJ and FBI personnel “connected to” work on the “Steele Dossier,” including former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates and former Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente.

Mind-Boggling Criminal Activity

None of the leaking, unmasking, surveillance, “opposition research,” or other activities directed against the Trump campaign can be properly understood, if one does not bear in mind that it was considered a sure thing that Secretary Clinton would become President, at which point illegal and extralegal activities undertaken to help her win would garner praise, not prison. The activities were hardly considered high-risk, because candidate Clinton was sure to win.

But She Lost

And that is what makes this so important. We know that if she had won then all of this would have been swept under the rug and no one would have heard that she, the DNC and the FBI wiretapped her political opponent during the election to get dirt on Trump. For some reason this is different than what Trump Jr did when he met with the Russian lawyer who the FBI helped get a passport because she couldn't get one on her own.

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silently at home, glued
@snoopydawg
to the toob, hoping the numbers were right and Her Highness defeated.
That Her loss might mean all the 2016 horse$h!t would eventually be revealed.

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Lookout's picture

...that story would make Watergate look like a child's attempt at espionage.

Russiagate keeps anyone from even looking in that direction. The oligarch's octopus reaches deep into all the nooks and crannies of our system.

We must be a nation of followers, because just an iota of thought would make people aware. It is obvious if you look....if you look for yourself.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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....they can get him to back-pedal on virtually everything he ever said, except when he said he was gonna bomb 'terrorists' and their families and he was gonna screw over poor 'Muricans in every way that he could. He's certainly following through on those promises.

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Not necessarily following the herd. I've seen people on here state that they think Assad probably did do the dirty deed. That can only come from the information they've digested.

I'm wondering who Johnstone is referring to with this:

"groups that have a historical tradition of opposing the agendas of the US-centralized war machine actively cheerleading for escalations against Russia and regime change in Syria."

If she's talking about the democratic party, she's off base and giving far too much credit.

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@Big Al Sadly, it goes beyond the Democratic party to some on the independent left. FFS. It's beyond me.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Every few minutes a bell was rung, at which time all the actors would stand up for no discernible reason and then sit back down. The real patient was confused by this behavior at first, but by the third bell she was standing and sitting in unison with the rest of the herd.

This is a description of a psychological experiment in which a subject is somehow convinced to stand up every time a bell was rung, simply because all the "plants" were doing it. Herd behavior? Yes. Perhaps the incentive here is a need to belong to a group, even if the group activity makes no sense.

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CB's picture

- confirms CW used. Blatant propaganda for teh stupids by teh stupids. Smarter people giving thumbs down and writing nasty comments against CNN. Fuckwits in US want to go to war and kill millions, including 500,000 children under 12, like what was done in Iraq to save the children of Syria.

Does this stupid woman even realize what she is doing?

CNN reporter inhales deadly ‘chemical weapons’ on camera: ‘Yeah that stings’

The global Fake News leader’s Arwa Damon sampled a little sarin in the course of her humanitarian propaganda piece on Syria

CNN, the world leader in hard hitting, real news (do you sense any irony?), has produced this stupendous report from a refugee camp in Northern Syria, with people it says “survived” the “chemical attack” in Douma earlier this month.
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CNN correspondent Arwa Damon was at the camp to interview the “survivors” – as well as sample a little sarin herself.
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NOTE: Arwa Damon is the granddaughter of Muhsin al-Barazi who was involved in the CIA orchestrated coup against the democratically elected government of Syria in March 1949. He was then tasked with secret negotiations with Israel. In August 1949 he was executed along with the other coup leaders in a counter coup by the Syrian military.

It appears the attempted take-down of Syria is a family affair and CNN is still on the CIA's payroll.

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Assad's use of CW? That will get Americans on board for more war.

h/t to Jimmy Dore

Here's original 1992 CBC piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=70&v=yaR1YBR5g6U

@CB

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So if you believe that Putin and his operatives interfered in our election and hold a hammer over Donald Trump's head then that means you are a warmonger and want war with Russia? News to me.

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@kharma Robert Mueller has been conducting an investigation for over a year and has yet to show any documentation that Russia interfered in the 2016 Presidential election. There has not been any quid pro quo connection shown between Russia and Trump so far either. We already know that there are far more documented connections between the Clintons and Russia than between Trump and Russia.

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@kharma

So if you believe that Putin and his operatives interfered in our election... you want war with Russia?

Millions of people who fell for this hoax want no part of any war.

They are exhibiting a state of general distress and insecurity. This suppresses their defenses and shakes their trust in themselves and their reality map. It was known in advance that the stressors of forced globalism were bound to cause such pressures in the population. The constant stress and uncertainty and sense of personal failure have made this population mentally vulnerable. They are seeking something real and tangible that can be identified as the cause of their free-floating anxieties. If they can identify a real cause for their distress, then they can externalize their feelings and perhaps act to resolve this discomfort.

Who can blame them? The concurrent epidemic of suicides and drug overdoses have been predicted and expected. The focus on "Communist Russia" — their old enemy — has offered great comfort and relief to the particular demographic that was most affected by the profound anxieties of social change.

Our leaders are very good at this type of social engineering and have had a lot of practice. They understand the risks and manage them toward the best possible economic outcome. Eventually, the fear will pass and hopefully leave the generations that follow unmarked by the misfortune.

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@Pluto's Republic (per your 12:10 post)

I can only add that this latest fraud has its foundation in a deeply conformist society made so by similar forces.
See Melville's The Confidence Man of 1857.

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@kharma

btw, our military has always communicated with Russia in Syria when we are doing airstrikes to make sure that our bombs don't hit Russian assets. Russia made it very clear that if their assets were hit then they would have responded by bombing the ships that sent the missiles.

Trump did want to hit Russian assets initially, but Mattis and others in the military talked him out of doing that because of the risks. I think that was the right call.

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@kharma Generally, those who believe the first advocate for policies which are likely to escalate tensions with Russia.

Of course, there are exceptions. There always are.

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@kharma It's kind of weird, actually, that the narrative is that Russia is intimidating Trump, when if there were actual corruption it would be far more likely to be willing collusion between Trump and Russia. The connections between Trump and Russia that I've seen that do seem to have legs are his business associations over there.

No more and no less corrupt than any other high-level U.S. politician getting in bed with foreign business interests--particularly foreign energy interests--but if we're finally deciding to be upset about that, it's about time.

Too bad there seems to be little interest--outside of this board and a few others--in a wider discussion of that issue.

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I find it very interesting that those who scream the loudest about the so called "Russian interference" in our elections are the very same ones who interfered in the Democratic primaries. It is obvious that something was wrong in the Democratic primaries when exit polls varied widely from the official results while the exit polls were consistent in the Republican primaries. Exit polling is considered very reliable as an indicator of election fraud if the variance is greater than 2%.

If they (the Corporate Democrats) are so worried about "interference" then perhaps they should be supporting conducting all elections using paper ballots that are hand counted in public. The electronic voting machines used in many parts of the United States have been banned in many other countries including Europe.

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@gulfgal98

Hand counting, as you suggest, in every precinct, while streaming close-up video of the counting that all interested Americans can watch in real time — would true the vote.

If there is resistance, Federal elections can safely be separated from state elections. (Presumably, some states might want to continue the secret counting of in-state elections for their own purposes.)

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@Pluto's Republic I suspect there's plenty of interest at the federal level in keeping our "elections" process under wraps.

Heh.

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I initially assumed it was mostly Hillary supporters who had bought into the Russia narrative and dismissed it as a continuation of their political derangement syndrome. But then Bernie fell in line with the Russia narrative bringing his followers along as the establishment hoped he would, so I had to rule out that assumption.

Social conformity? It's a good enough theory as anything else out there and may explain why most of us who exiled from the insane asylum over at TOP did not fall in line with Bernie's Russia narrative. Of course, I'd like to chalk that up to discerning thinking on our part but wonder if it's more a product of a lot square pegs who were never very good at conforming and falling in line.

Thankfully we were lucky enough to find kindred souls over here to commiserate with as the world goes mad. Otherwise it'd be pretty lonely in reality land.

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@zoebear Of course, I'd like to chalk that up to discerning thinking on our part but wonder if it's more a product of a lot square pegs who were never very good at conforming and falling in line.

Those two things often go together.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

In fact when I watched the video about social conformity, I could reasonably see myself going up to the receptionist and asking her what that 'beep' was for (mostly because the sound would've annoyed me) and why people were standing up each time they heard it (which also would've annoyed me)

Yes, I am that person.

Also, don't cut in line in front of me because I will call you out. Smile

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@zoebear want war with Russia?

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@dfarrah

Supporters who went along with Bernie when he said that the Russians were behind the rigging of the 2016 election. However, I'll quote CStMS who answered a similar question up thread:

@kharma Generally, those who believe the first advocate for policies which are likely to escalate tensions with Russia.

Of course, there are exceptions. There always are.

I'm sure there are Bernie supporters who do not want to go to war with Syria. As I'm sure there are supporters who believe Russia rigged the 2016 election and that they were also behind the chemical attacks in the UK. People are unpredictable like that.

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CB's picture

so they gave me a bojo.

It was said I was a Russian who could write better English than the average mole.

Putin had me inserted into DKos at the beginning of Obama's presidency so I would be prepared to take down Her Heinous when it became her turn to be crowned. He already knew back then the 2018 cage match would be The Trumper vs The Killary.

I was very successful because DKos was too late in discovering me. I managed to knacker and get the Trumpeter elected (with the help of all the other Russian moles we had there).

After getting tossed, I had to go back to Russia for a few months to get deloused.

When I got back to the Fatherland, Putin awarded me the Order of St. Catherine the Great Martyr

for "high moral values and compassion for the outstanding contribution to peacekeeping, charity, humanitarian activities and the preservation of cultural heritage".

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@CB

They should've spotted you much earlier Smile

Nice medal, comrade.

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@CB

Anyone who doesn't believe in Russia Gate are called Russian bots, Putin's puppet or other derogatory names. There is no room for questioning or dissent of the narrative there.

After Trump's bombing of Syria, people there were upset that he only hit empty buildings or that Putin told Trump what he could bomb.

There has been a hotline between us and Russia whenever we're doing a military action, or vice versa. But it's being sold as Trump couldn't do anything unless his BFF said that he could. Hence my comment above. If we had hit any Russian assets in Syria from one of our ships, there's a good chance that Russia would have retaliated against it. But for some reason people think that shouldn't be discussed.

BTW, we are being accused of being Russian bots. What makes Russia Gate all the more sillier is that the things that happened years ago are being blamed on Russia. Hence the accusation against you being one because you were critical of Obama's policies. Sigh!

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@snoopydawg

BTW, we are being accused of being Russian bots

Does this mean we won't be getting any visitors from TOP trying to proselytize us as the 2020 election gets closer with essays entitled, "Kamala is not the enemy"?

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@zoebear

I often see comments saying that their place is much nicer and quieter since people like us left it. It's because we were critical of Obama's policies and of democrats in general. Anyone who criticizes what they are doing get Dawg piled on and told to stfu because there's an election coming up. Isn't that what they always say? "There is no room for criticism now because we have to win the election."

You can't even criticize the blue dawgs because they give the democrats the majority. After a lot of them voted to deregulate the banks and people were pissed off about it, those who said something derogatory about them were flagged. Flags fly easily over there.

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@snoopydawg

Is so attractive, eh comrade?

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@zoebear Well, Russians are bad because they're so authoritarian and enforce groupthink, so we certainly wouldn't want to be like that.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

here in America to prevent that from happening.

*snort*

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@snoopydawg I'm sure it is nicer and quieter. Lack of dissent will do that.

Actually--it's a little funny to praise a blog for being 'quieter.'

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@zoebear Kamala is an irrelevant mask put on the people who are the enemy.

Kind of like this:

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Don't see it. Btw, what's the movie?

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@zoebear A Series of Unfortunate Events. A very good movie based on a series of children's books I like very much.

It is gut-wrenching, though, be prepared. I went to see it and cried. I took my best friend to see it, and she cried. I took my boyfriend to see it, and he cried.

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@CB Thank you for your service.

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@dervish

Russia is my Fatherland AND my Motherland.

Za druzhbu narodov! Drinks

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@CB

How interesting to be able to get a take on this Russia narrative nonsense from someone who has familial ties to Russia.

Btw, who is the handsome black cat in your avatar?

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why do people who up till now have always been among the critical thinkers and debunkers, suddenly devolved to the level of the right-wingers they used to mock.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal And I don't mean famous people, like Amy Goodman, Glen Greenwald, etc. I mean ordinary people.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

We don't know when one of us will become one of them. Hopefully without the southern belle attire.

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@zoebear Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Yikes.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

why do people who up till now have always been among the critical thinkers ... suddenly devolved to the level of ... those they used to mock.

For my part, I am haunted because I worry that my critical faculties and moral compass could suddenly go kaflooey like that. It's a blessing that their self-awareness seems to leave at the same time.

But some days, I don't know whether to envy them or pity them.

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@Pluto's Republic God forbid that should happen to you, Pluto. I find your comments insightful and helpful.

So don't go kaflooey, OK? Wink

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

They refused to fall for the WMDs scam, but since Obama became president the anti war people went dark. No one could question his use of drones, his restarting the Iraq war and especially his invasion of Libya.

Now they don't even question why Assad would have used chemical weapons right after Trump said that he wanted to pull the troops out of Syria.

There was a diary today on how Putin told Trump what he could bomb. This is what my comment up thread was about. Of course we called Russia before we bombed Syria. If we had hit them Putin's response would not have been good.. but why they can't see that is beyond me.

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@snoopydawg

Of a President. He had the perfect image to project to the world. Smart, urbane, diverse. And he was a democrat.

They refused to fall for the WMDs scam, but since Obama became president the anti war people went dark.

What he and Hillary Clinton managed to do in 8 years was turn the entire face of Democratic Party into war Hawks. The partisan hacks and believers just fell in line.

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@zoebear

To kill the anti war movement, the want of universal health care, and the reversal of the Bush administration's policies. The Bush tax cuts became permanent. The patriot act and the military commissions acts were extended. The 4th amendment was nullified after illegal spying became legal after the FISA bill was passed. Just to name a few items that Obama's legacy contains.

Here's a more comprehensive list of what he did during his tenure.

Among other things, president Barack Obama:

Dropped bombs in 7 countries (all predominantly Muslim).
Sent 3,500 U.S. troops and tanks to Russia's doorstep in one of his final decisions as president.
Ordered ten times more drone strikes than Bush.
Dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016 alone (an average of 72 bombs every day).
Put boots on the ground in Syria , despite 16 times saying "no boots on the ground".
Despite campaign pledges, planned a $1 trillion progam to add more nuclear weapons to the US arsenal in the next 30 years.
Said, “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.”
Bragged about his use of drones - I'm "really good at killing people".
Deported a modern-record 2 million immigrants.
Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.
Started a new war in Iraq .
Initiated, and personally oversaw a 'Secret Kill List'.
Pushed for war on Syria while siding with al-Qaeda .
Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
Supported Israel's wars and occupation of Palestine.
Deployed Special Ops to 134 countries - compared to 60 under Bush.
Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
Drastically escalated the NSA spying program .
Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
Given Bush absolute immunity for everything.
Pushed for a TPP Trade Pact .
Started a new war on terror - this one on ISIS .
Signed more executive memoranda than any other president in history.
Transferred more than $100 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia, more than any other administration in history.
Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia .
Opened a military base in Chile.
Touted nuclear power , even after the disaster in Japan.
Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
Mandated the Insider Threat Program which orders federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues.
Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
Launched 20,000 Airstrikes in his first term.
Continued Bush's rendition program.
Said the U.S. is the "one indispensable nation" in the world.
Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
Repealed the Propaganda ban, making it legal to spread government propaganda via news outlets.
Assassinated 4 US citizens with drone strikes.

But wait, there's more:

The Obama Legacy

Hillary's job then was to continue what he wasn't able to do.

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@snoopydawg

He signed away American citizens right to habeas corpus.

When I tell that to people most don't believe me.

Sigh.

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@zoebear

He signed an NDAA that allows the military to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without charges, access to a lawyer or a trial. This is just one of the constitutional lawyer's legacy!

The list of the damage that he did to this country is staggering! And what makes it worse is how high his approval rating still is.

The Empty Suit president did the exact opposite of the things that he said he would do and that is why his place as one of the worst presidents in history will be right around Hoover's. The one difference is that there are no Hoovervilles, just endless amounts of homeless camps.

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@snoopydawg

The history books. I can totally imagine a re-telling of his presidency where he'll be holographed as the first Black President and the rest will be either whitewashed or omitted entirely.

Sigh.

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@snoopydawg Well, I'd say Hill was in it up to her eyeballs from the beginning. That's why she was at Foggy Bottom while he was Pres--just to make sure the foreign policy went in the PNAC way it should.

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@snoopydawg Isn't it funny how Assad always uses chemical weapons right when he's about to win his war--or right when UN inspectors are due.

FFS.

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
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@snoopydawg This diary was on DKos?

They think Putin gave Trump permission to bomb Syria?

Holy shit. These are deep waters...on their brains.

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I keep trying to extract those waters, but I keep hitting the side and then there's this BZZZT!

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt-out light bulb.
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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
--Jose Marti

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal researcher somewhere said that it can be explained by tribalism rather than people's positions on issues.

To me, that notion would certainly explain all of the 180's we've been seeing.

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