Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?

The Saker has a very good article on the upcoming G20 conference at which Trump and Putin are scheduled for talks on the sidelines. In it he outlines the extremely low possibility that there will be meaningful discussions, mostly due to the intransigence of those that have taken complete control of the Executive Branch of the US government.

I sure hope that I am wrong, but…

The talk of the week is the upcoming meeting between Presidents Trump and Putin on the sidelines of the G20 conference this Friday. There have been some very good articles already written on this topic, I particularly recommend Adam Garrie’s "5 obstacles Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin will have to address in their meeting" for The Duran and Israel Shamir’s "What Would Putin Tell Trump?" for The Unz Review. It is undeniable that the fact that these two men will finally meet is an event of immense significance and importance for the future not only of US-Russian relations, but even for the future or mankind.

Or is it?

I have to be honest here and say that my expectations are pretty close to zero....

First, we should all stop kidding ourselves, Russia and the USA do not have “disagreements”. The sad and frightening reality is that we are now closer to war than during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Not only are Russian and US servicemen now deployed in the same war zone (the Americans totally illegally), but unlike what happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis we have a US President who terminally lacks the willpower to deal with the crazies on the US side, I am talking about the Neocons, of course....

Second, it is absolutely clear that the US Ziomedia and Congress will declare any, any, positive outcome from the meeting as “Trump caved in to Putin” and try to get a pound of political flesh out of Trump for it. So for Trump any external success will mean an internal disaster....

Third, if we look at the people around Trump it is pretty clear that the only intelligent and rational person in the White House is Rex Tillerson. The rest of them are lunatics, maniacs and imbeciles – the current US, what shall I call it, “actions” (can’t call it a “policy”) towards Syria clearly prove that the Executive Branch is completely out of control. We now can clearly see that Mattis and McMaster are not these military geniuses presented to us by the Ziomedia but that, in fact, they are both phenomenally incompetent and that their views of the conflicts in Syria and even Afghanistan can only be characterized as totally lacking anything remotely resembling any kind of vision. Yet these two “geniuses” seem to be in charge....

How about the other way around? What could the Russians offer Trump?

Again, I am afraid that nothing much either.

Russian foreign policies are all centered around the development of a multi-polar world and Putin is now extremely busy dealing with some seriously important matters. So what can Putin offer Trump?....

The Russians will probably try to get Trump into agreeing to some kind of new UN Resolution on Syria, but since we all know that the USA disregards UN resolutions anyway, it won’t be much of a victory, even if it will feel good for a while.

I hope I am wrong, really wrong, totally wrong even. I will be watching the (hopefully joint) press conference of Trump and Putin on Friday with a tiny leftover and paradoxical spark of hope that maybe, just maybe, Trump has something good left inside him. But I won’t be holding my breath. They say that hope dies last. Maybe. I will find out on Friday.

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earthling1's picture

for being completely wrong. But I anticipate losing again.
How effed up, huh?
Happy Re-enslavement Day to all.

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Meteor Man's picture

To cheer us all up:

The break off of an iceberg from an ice shelf is “a very dramatic, visually stunning event,” Kingslake says, but it’s a “natural process which is going on all the time.

An iceberg the size of Delaware. Beautiful!!

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/07/an-iceberg-the-size-of-de...

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Cali Kush: a bowl a day keeps the doctor away.

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@Meteor Man

"The court's ruling came in response to a lawsuit filed June 5 by green groups that opposed the EPA's stay of the rule," Reuters noted. "The groups, including the Natural Resources Defense Council, Environmental Defense Fund, Sierra Club and other environmental organizations, argued the EPA did not follow procedures detailed in the 1970 law known as the Clean Air Act when it froze the rule."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/07/03/court-smacks-down-trumps-ca...

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Cali Kush: a bowl a day keeps the doctor away.

CB's picture

@Meteor Man
That iceberg should cool down the oceans for a week or two.

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@CB Grab your longboards and catch the monster wave!: https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/10902-how-to-survive-a-huge-wipeout

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Cali Kush: a bowl a day keeps the doctor away.

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@CB
and the resultant rising sea water will increase the size of the sink hole in front of Mar a Lago.

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@MarilynW

and the resultant rising sea water will increase the size of the sink hole in front of Mar a Lago.

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The Russians can't get anything agreed to as there seems to be palace coupes happening all the time between various courtier factions. Who is in charge varies day-by-day. Sp Trump watches cable all day and tweets.

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Creosote.'s picture

@MrWebster
Putin has to know this very well:

The Russians expressed their total disgust and outrage . . . and openly began saying that the Americans were “недоговороспособны”. What that word means is literally “not-agreement-capable” or unable to make and then abide by an agreement.

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Song of the lark's picture

one few with a level headed one around Trump. And believe it or not I think Bannon is smarter than most and believes less of the crap that he publishes than most of his prospective gullible nitwits would suspect. Still I've read and gamed out North Korea and I don't think the vaunted China/Russia axis. (Both of which border the Norks.) have any more idea or control than the NATO states. China/Russia seem want to tolerate another nuclear power on their border rather than have a potentially western unified Korea. Stupid is a stupid does. They should have learned from the US experience in Vietnam which was as not a domino and now makes our tennis shoes.
I suspect that we will wake up one morning and find Kim Jong UN is UN-no-more. and the great opening of the north will begin under the watchful eyes of China/Russian tutelage.
Also the the west (NATO ) has more sharp teeth (if a little crooked) to bite with than the diary suggests.

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@Song of the lark
to have an Exxon CEO as Secretary of State. These are strange days indeed.

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@Song of the lark
by sacking seasoned professionals, leaving posts unfilled, empty offices. It's a sad state of affairs at State.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/29/how-rex-tillerson-dest...

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@MarilynW
of this article, Max Bergmann, is closely affiliated with the Center for American Progress, which is John Podesta's think tank. I would not expect an impartial evaluation from this man.

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Song of the lark's picture

@MarilynW True at others request and he has a restrained budget. Although i don't mean to defend him just speak to his intelligence .

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@Song of the lark
prevent environmental destruction. That destruction is a not a productive outcome for anything or anyone.

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Big Al's picture

@Song of the lark Oil, and with the oil, power. That is the plan.

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Song of the lark's picture

@Big Al Yes he is an oil fiend.

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@Song of the lark

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@CB

Both of whom can just frack off somewhere to some already lifeless planet where they can have the end result intended for Earth but have nothing capable of suffering to harm.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

He's probably right, but I'd still like to be a fly on the wall when Trump and Putin meet face to face.

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@native
and a plethora of nasty remarks.

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@CB
there's not much you can do about it. It's mostly fruitless to post anything there that falls outside the (intentionally limited) DKos field of vision. Maybe someday they'll pull off the blinders and take a look around, but probably not before Markos gives them permission to do so.

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@native
Let us continue to be the nasty horseflies biting around the ears.

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@earthling1
Give em a good bite on the ass too.

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native

@native

The ass and the elephant both!

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

MarilynW's picture

in one word

weak

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@MarilynW how else are we going to change that perception?

/s

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MarilynW's picture

@Dr. John Carpenter

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Big Al's picture

"They" can't stop it, only "we" can. They are part of the problem.

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k9disc's picture

Third, if we look at the people around Trump it is pretty clear that the only intelligent and rational person in the White House is Rex Tillerson.

Who is a complete and utter sociopath. Think about this:

The intelligent and rational person is the sociopathic CEO who killed the planet and sent the ME back to the Stone Age.

Unreal world we live in. Makes Vonnegut-style dystopia circa 2020 look just about spot on.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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@k9disc
they've sunk very low.

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Russian propaganda for over 3 years when our government overthrew Ukraine's government and backed the neo Nazis.
Since then, they have told us that Russia was responsible for the violence there, that Putin stole Crimea, shot down the plane that was re-routed by the Ukraine air tower and spouting all kinds of bullshit on Russian aggression. I haven't seen the evidence that supports their stances.

They claim that NATO HAS TO PUT TROOPS in the countries that surround Russia because of Russia's aggression.
This has worked. I see people repeating these talking points in every article that is about Russia.
The democrats and their ding bat followers are saying that Russia interfered with the election, hacked into Vermont's electrical grid and now they are saying that they hacked other state's grids.
Even though the Vermont story has been retracted, people are still saying that.

One prominent ding bat was upset when Tillerson said that Russia could decide what happens to Assad.
He stated that the 4 million people in Syria who have died and the millions of refugees were because of the actions of Assad and Russia. No mention of the terrorists that our country has armed, funded and trained by our military and our allies.
No mention of the fact that Russia wouldn't be involved in Syria if Obama hadn't accepted the Saudi's offer to pay for Assad's removal so they and Qatar can build pipelines after Assad told them no.
You'll never guess which website he writes for. Okay, you probably can and you are correct.

Remember how the news media responded when Trump bombed the Syrian airport. Brian Williams said it was a thing of beauty, and some else said that Trump finally looks presidential.
This means that the right of passage to become presidential must involve killing people in foreign countries. Go figure.

Hopefully, Trump and Putin can meet in private and have an honest and open conversation.

As to how close we came to nuclear war, I read that one captain of a Russian submarine was given orders to fire his nuclear missiles and he disobeyed them. That is very close.
The people who think that they can survive a first strike against Russia are insane.

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a longtime oligarch eugenics plan is already well underway

earth is the insane asylum for the universe

@snoopydawg

is their best chance to survive.

and then we are toast.

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snoopydawg's picture

@irishking same with North Korea and Iran. The countries that disarmed themselves have been erased, so what's the incentive to play by the rules? This country certainly doesn't.
Remember what the Nuremberg trials were about?

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a longtime oligarch eugenics plan is already well underway

earth is the insane asylum for the universe

Why wouldn't he be?
I'll be goddamned if I'd do nothing to save myself and my people from annihilation when I had the ability to stop it.

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earthling1's picture

@on the cusp
tells Trump he is going to sell North Korea advanced guidance systems if he doesn't back off NATO troops from Russia's borders.
With the American deep state pushing Euopean States to surround and threaten Russia, he could push NK to threaten American soil.
Don't really want to see this happen, but it seems the only way to deal with these nutjobs running our country. Power speaking to power, it's all the deep state understands.
Detente has worked great for decades now.

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Creosote.'s picture

distribute useful things, find one sane friend who lives nearby.

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