Wednesday Open Thread: The Mayflower Compact

It's Day 325 of the Year 2018 CE
So, November 21, 2018 - for my reference if nothing else.


Image from page 859 of "Programme" (1881)



OK, I profoundly dislike tomorrows holiday and the myth it is based on. Briefly, innumerable "days of thanksgiving" were declared in the early days of this country, by mayors, governor, priests, village elders and the like. They were too often for truly horrible reasons like the fact that the populace of Indian village up the river had all died of some plague, and now they could take their land, crops and possession without having to fight and kill them, or that their midnight sneak attack on such a village was a resounding success, the Indians were slaughtered and the survivors decamped leaving them free to take and use the land. Luckily, today has its own significant event, so I can deal with it instead.

According to the wiki, on 11/21/1620, the Plymouth Colony settlers signed the Mayflower Compact. Today's word of the day is Colonist There were no Plymouth Colony "settlers", they were Colonists. I mean, really, it was a colony. Who lives in a colony? Colonists, that's who. This is a very important distinction. Colonists is an innocent looking word that means "imperialist assholes set on thieving and arrogating to themselves control and power over the land, resources and, if present, people(s) of some foreign land." This place, once sufficiently stolen and controlled and pried loose from its remote owners was designed and written into law as an oligarchy that was in part a plutocracy, but without the leveling influence that plutocracy grants new money procured by the lower classes.

Once we remember that the original "settlers" and "Pilgrims" and all that were colonists, things are suddenly perceptually different. The key is to use the word in order that we always remember the reality, colonists, colonizers, residents of colonies. There those with royal charters, and slaves and everybody in between. Slaves, of course, like the criminals and debtors exiled here for life, weren't truly colonists, because they weren't here voluntarily. That's ok, they also aren't part of the mythical history of the creation and foundation of this country. So, among these colonists were The Founding Fathers

Note the lack of Founding Mothers. It's not like there were no mothers who came here and no women who came here and subsequently became mothers. Their absence is because they weren't allowed to have much of anything to do with the founding of the place. The colonies were highly patriarchal, and in many enclaves, theocratic as well. It has been said that the founders of the country were wealthy white male slave owners who didn't want to pay taxes. This might be over broad, but probably hits close to home. It appears that only 41 of 57 signers of the constitution owned slaves, for example. As to those who actually drafted it, quien sabe? I'll wager that a larger percentage than that owned land. (The states set the voting requirements and generally that meant land owning and/or tax paying white males, less than 10% of the population. Those were also pretty much the class of folks from whom the framers and signers of the Constitution were drawn, the "founding fathers".) Also, most didn't oppose all taxation, they simply wanted to control who was taxed on what and to what extent as well as how those tax revenues were spent. "No taxation without representation" wasn't pure rhetoric.

This was not an egalitarian society and the colonists were not egalitarians. Ignoring the treatment of the Indians, slaves and indentured servants serfs, it took until 1790 for all states to get rid of a religious test for voting, and it took until 1856 for all states to get rid of property ownership as a pre-condition for white males to vote. Even then, the structure of the Senate and the Electoral college, and to a lesser degree, the courts, were designed to prevent the hoi polloi from obtaining any meaningful measure of control over their destiny or that of the country as a whole. And, of course, we're still just talking about white male hoi polloi, black, Indian and female hoi polloi still had no say in the matter. Control of the country's government by a select handful of people can be oligarchy, theocracy, plutocracy or a combination of the above, but it is not democracy or anything remotely resembling democracy. So, I'd re-identify the Founding fathers as land owning elitist white male oligarchs who mostly owned slaves and wanted to control not only taxation, but everything else.

The main keys to understand US history are 2 words, which must be repeated and practiced until they become as automatic as "founding Fathers", "settlers" and "Pilgrims" used to be - Colonists and oligarchs

Have a great day.

(Image: Image from page 859 of "Programme" (1881) )

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EDIT: fix 3 typos

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mhagle's picture

What is the giant thing in the eastern sky?

Edited to add:

Clearly some sort of satellite but by far the biggest I have ever seen. 3 sections. The middle part was red. Just wondering if anyone else saw it.

Will be cooking all day but will check back later.

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Marilyn

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@mhagle
Maybe a practice run?

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Well . . . it was red . . . sort of sleigh like. Smile

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Marilyn

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Marilyn

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For your imperialist ancestors that committed genocide against the first nations (and still are working on the practice)? Hey we bought it fair and square with a handful of beads and bobbles...yeah right. What is going on in Israel with the Palestinians is reminiscent of our methodology...put the native peoples on reservations and then starve them, eliminate their clean water, and shoot them if they protest. Be thankful...

Brushing aside the mistaken mythology of the holiday, I much prefer the goal of being thankful compared to the capitalists Xmas ploy of more consumerism. Have you made your list and checked it twice?

Your coyote story last week reminded me of Ian Tyson's song "The Coyote and the Cowboy"
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yYc8mYfrkg]
So I brushed up on it and sang it at our session last week.
"Lives in the snow at 40 below and Malibu by the sea"

I tried watching an episode of "Jamestown" on PBS but did care for their mythology either. They focus on founding mothers in a soap opera way.

Hilbot Cokie Roberts has done some more interesting work writing about our founding mothers...
https://www.wbez.org/shows/morning-shift/cokie-roberts-celebrates-early-...

Well regardless of the origin of the holiday tomorrow, I wish you all a pleasant one. I hope you have family you can enjoy and lots of good food. My thoughts are with the burned out folks in CA, and the migrants we helped displace walking toward and gathering on our borders. It's not a bad idea to be thankful for what you have!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

Well regardless of the origin of the holiday tomorrow, I wish you all a pleasant one. I hope you have family you can enjoy and lots of good food. My thoughts are with the burned out folks in CA, and the migrants we helped displace walking toward and gathering on our borders. It's not a bad idea to be thankful for what you have!

This says it for me.

But yes, the original story is horrible. If thanksgiving can be all about gratitude and Christmas about generosity, I can do them.

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Marilyn

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consumerism (though I do note as the decades pass by ever increasing attempts at ways to shift T-Day toward consumption). I have a separate rant about being thankful, but I am grateful, very grateful, for many things, and, thankful, as well, to those actual human beings who willfully committed purposive acts to benefit humankind.

Have a great day and a wonderful tomorrow.

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@Lookout
about Mr. coyote. This one is out in east nowhere:
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Raggedy Ann's picture

What I like about thanksgiving is it is about food and gatherings and not about buying a bunch of crap, exchanging that crap, being disappointed about the crap you received, being angry at the money you spent on the crap you gave, and doing it all again a year later. I do not wish to continually be separated from my money for this crap.

So, I hope all enjoy and be thankful for not spending money on or receiving a bunch of crap.

Have a beautiful day, folks! Pleasantry

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@Raggedy Ann
yourself.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

How many colonists can you compact into a may flower?

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TheOtherMaven's picture

get a bit annoyed at being continually overlooked for those Johnny-come-latelies up North. Showoffs.

Then again, we're the ones who permanently screwed the pooch by introducing a shipload of slaves captured from the Spanish, and letting that loose on a colony desperate for new sources of manual labor. That was in 1619, what time the Plimoth expedition was still in the planning phase.

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@TheOtherMaven
permanent colony. (Alas, poor Roanoke). Have yourself a great day and happy holiday.

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It was the yams dag nabbit. Violence much?

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magiamma's picture

to drop out, tune in and turn on to being preseant with friends and family; and what I am thankful for. Glass-half-full week. Next week back to working in the mines. Having said that, thanks so much for saying this. It’s been rumbling around in the back of my mind. Best day, all...

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