War with Iran just started
I'm going to update this essay later. This should get things rolling for now.
To convey a sense of Soleimani’s significance, it would be as if, during the Iraq war, the ayatollah had ordered the assassination of Gen. David Petraeus, Gen. Jim Mattis, the head of Special Operations Command, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.* Soleimani’s responsibilities corresponded with all four of these roles. Even then, the analogy falls short because, among Shi’ite Muslims across the region, Soleimani also exuded the charisma of a religious icon, a holy warrior.For the past 20 years, he had been the architect of Iran’s expansionist foreign policy, running subversive operations and controlling Shi’ite militias in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and Afghanistan. In the months after the Sept. 11 attacks, he shared intelligence about al-Qaida and the Taliban with U.S. officials, until President George W. Bush declared Iran to be part of the “axis of evil.” In the fight against ISIS, his militias were crucial in forcing the group’s fighters out of Iraq. But he was also responsible for the deaths of hundreds of U.S. troops during the Iraq insurgency. On Thursday night, the Pentagon justified its action by claiming that he was about to launch an offensive against American embassies and armed forces throughout the region.
Even if that is true, killing him doesn’t make much strategic sense. As important as he was, his loyal and capable lieutenants are still capable of executing the missions.
Let's not overlook the guy who was killed alongside him.
He was credited with being a key leader in the Shia militias, the Popular Mobilisation Forces, known as the Hashed (al-Shaabi), employed as shock troops in the bloody fight against Islamic State in Iraq. Although he worked under Faleh al-Fayyadh, Iraq’s national security adviser, Muhandis was widely recognised as the Hashed’s real leader.And equally, if not more, important was his involvement in founding and leading the Kata’ib Hezbollah militia, part of the Hashed.
This changes everything!
Any hope of salvaging the situation in Iraq is sunk. I don't see how the Iraqi government will not demand that we leave.
This will make our occupation in Syria increasingly untenable.
I don't see how Iran cannot strike back at us, probably both directly and with proxies. This will cause Trump to lash out disproportionately again, and escalate the situation.
Outside of Israel and the Saudis, I don't see us having any allies in this fight.
Domestically this changes the political conversation. Any talk of Trump not being keen on war will now end. Republicans will go back to calling Democrats Blame-America-First-Traitors.
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I thank nobody, the order to kill the Iranian General
came from the Trump Presidency. It is irrelevant to me today, if Bush and Obama have facilitated or enabled such unlimited use of power. It doesn't help to point that out in hindsight. Trump had the choice and he has chosen to order the assassination.
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I don't think we
I was all along arguing for the soldier's right, even duty, to not follow clearly illegal orders. Clearly. Illegal. And I'm not sure how your "ability and obligation" phrase differs much from a soldier's right. Distinction without a difference for me.
obeying unlawful military orders ...
I am a bit sceptical of what you assume, because of for example this:
Constitution Check: Could the military disobey orders issued by a President Trump?
I also remember a press stake out with General Petraeus and Rumsfeld in which Petraeus explained to Rumssfeld that a soldier does not have to obey an unlawful order (an order to commit a crime like torturing a prisoner of wark for example) and has the duty to bring any criminal conduct of soldiers to the attention to the superior commanders and up the command chain. So if the unlawful order comes directly from the Commander in Chief, where should the military commnders under the Commander in Chier turn to?
Unfortunately I can't find the video anymore, although I have posted it once a long time ago, but lost in either on Flickr or in my old computer.
So, you say the order by the US president to assassinate of a foreign military commander in a foreign country is NOT an unlawful order?
I have a hard time to believe that and if it might be so, I give up.
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See my answer to your "oh my..." comment.
That is Hayden's opinion.
"If he were to order that [the killing of family members of terrorists] once in government, the American armed forces would refuse to act."
But the American armed forces didn't refuse to act when Reagan ordered an attack on Qaddafi's tent in Libya even though it was known his family was there and even though the assassination of foreign leaders is prohibited by international treaty.
Also, the American armed forces didn't refuse to act when Obama ordered an attack on Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen, or on al-Awlaki's 16 year old son and his cousins two weeks later.
I am not that sophisticated to find an article that
was supposed to make my point and opinion clearer. Meanwhile much better articles could be quoted. May be this one? Trump’s Illegal, Impeachable Act of War
It also seems you stand with one leg on one side and with the other leg on the other side of the issue about the legality of Trump's assassination order.
Beats me and I think I don't have anything to comment anymore in that regard.
Nothing for Ungood.
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Two legs?
As for one leg here, one there, you're confusing my statements of fact with my personal opinion. The fact is that under current US conditions, the assassination of Soleimani by Trump and the assassination of al-Alwaki by Obama were considered legal. My opinion is that they were both illegal.
oh then I am sorry, in fact I have misunderstood
your words. Happens too often to me. Quite often I can't figure out what is meant by some posters here on C99p. My apologies.
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No worries.
I could have been clearer in my writing.
Heh...
(?) Also he helped our forces in Afhanistan against the Taliban. Until George decided to name Iran one of the axis of evil. People were pissed:
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
My guess is that answer lies within the purview
of Nutenyahoo/Adelson etc.etc.etc. and company
Being Jewish myself I can now see how people around the world perceive Jews to be the cause
of all their problems, the dots are sadly connected.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
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