So, about OPOL's banishment - a solidarity plan

Okay, so it's a "time out" more than a full on banishment. The Kos version of a cult "shunning" to make a point. OPOL represents too many page views to Kos for him to risk losing him, he's just trying to make a point and get him, and anyone else thinking of defecting from the party line, to get in line and shut up. Like a company town boss suppressing a workers revolt.

This might be unworkable, but I wish it were possible to connect with OPOL's 1,700 followers and anyone else supporting Bernie and/or free and open dialog still posting at the GOS and get everyone to boycott posting for the duration of OPOL's time out. I know it can be tough for some (self included) to not go there and try to lend support for the few remaining, but it would be a thing of beauty if we could in mass stop posting for the week (two?) that OPOL is on time out.

Maybe a few of us could post "Why I Won't Post During OPOLs Time Out" diaries, with nothing more than a request for recs alone and no comments from anyone supporting and joining the writers boycott, and a maybe a request to repeat of the headline in a diary of their own to keep it going? Then follow it up by not taking the bait in the comments, or commenting in any other diary for the duration. If we see supporters posting send a private message asking them to support the boycott for the duration of OPOLs time out?

Am I crazy?

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MsGrin's picture

Good.

I just made some more trouble over there for second time today.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/29/1507904/-Cool-David-Brock-opin...

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

days ago.

back in the 2014 wisconsin gubernatorial race, i posted a comment along the lines of, "If your vote doesn't matter, why is Scott Walker trying so hard to take it away?"

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AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Thumb's picture

"I do appreciate your wanting to support me, but it's not necessary."

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's not about you, in the same way the Montgomery bus boycott wasn't about Rosa Parks. I think it's just the nature of humans to need a face to put on causes. As shown by Bernie himself, he gets this by constantly reminding everyone that this movement isn't about him, but about us. He understands that he's just the face we've put on something that's been building for a long time now and is coming to a head, and while he's embraced the leadership role of this movement he doesn't want the movement to live and die by him, and he repeats this often. Otherwise the movement is no more than a cult of personality (which Hillary has developed to an amazing degree) and Bernie gets that it's so much more than that.

There's two components required to make a room explode, the long slow build-up of combustible fumes, and a spark. It's easy to blame the spark for an explosion but a spark can come from anywhere and it overlooks the more insidious process of allowing fumes to build up and pressurize.

Bernie is a spark. Rosa Parks was a spark. Your TO is a spark. TOP is a room full of combustible fumes.

So my goal is less to lionize you or make you our hero/martyr, but to harness the energy from this to overcome a lot of institutional inertia and help break people out of the GOS orbit, rob it of the oxygen it needs to keep circumventing progressive causes under the banner of being a progressive blog. After 14-15 years there I've come to accept that the site really is a Trojan Horse to keep progressives from being effective against the major money players, to give us the illusion of a voice. Or maybe I'm over-reacting to think anything we can do at this point to help even more people break out of this unhealthy co-dependency with it, the better? Walking away quietly from bullies was never in my nature.

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ArthurPoet's picture

Just fucking awesome!!!

Join the club of censored members of TOS. You've only been given a TO but I've been banned from there twice now.

And since we at c99 just love putting our words to music...this is just waaaaaay too long in coming.

This one's for kos and his entire crew at TOS:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QCxyns1lrg]

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ArizonaProgressive's picture

Thanks for keeping up the fight.

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Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

Save it for the "Fuckin Told You So" diary when $illary flames out and crashes...

I'm saving mine for that!

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

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can't wait to do a Happy Dance through the middle of raging impotent Hillary tears!

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
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Shahryar's picture

and how they didn't get 'em.

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I agree with folks that we can use a few less "X happened at GOS today" diaries here. But, I suggest folks have patience for the DK refugees who need to get this stuff out of our system. It's impossible for everyone to move on in a flash. And we have many friends and allies still over there so some of us like me are at least popping in to recommend the good diaries (an act which unfortunately helps the site by promoting the stories most people want, but which also helps Bernie). Anyhow, with each passing day and each passing week we should move towards less and less talk of it. This site has been a great oasis and the stories here are growing in quantity, but also in quality with some new substance form new authors. So the future is bright.

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I see both sides of the issue. The chilled daily routine of c99 has been disrupted, but this place is called a life boat for good reason. New arrivals need a chance to speak their piece. They've been gagged for so long. Because their arrivals are staggered, the deprogramming process they go through is also staggered and thus ongoing. I do not want to gag anyone. Freedom to speak is why we are all here. We are also all free to pick what we read.

DailyKos is a love/hate relationship for me. The less I'm there, the less I miss it. The more I'm there, the more I hate it. It is really bad now, and it will be worse if Hillary wins. No GBCW for me. I would never give them the satisfaction, and I do not have to explain myself to them or anyone else. Accept it for what it is.

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New refugees from the GOS have to be able to vent when they first arrive so their spleens don't burst from holding all the frustration and disbelief in. I hope everyone will be patient with them because they will then become valuable contributors to C99%.

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I know I'm just indulging my DK dependency pathology, but divineorder's diary mention's "kos’ comment" about OPOL's banning, so I was curious to read it. I'm not finding it, and I don't want to waste a lot of time looking. Anybody have the link?

I'm hoping OPOL will post here. Does anyone know the current number of people signed up here? Just curious.

Thanks.

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Here's the link, and here's kos' comment itself, so no one has to click there...

kos Mar 29 · 02:15:11 PM
Heh, so I guess this is the “how far can we push Markos” strategy? Congratulations! You did it by explicitly violating the “malicious criticism” rule

You don’t like the restriction, it’s a big internet! This is the time when someone will come in and offer links to Reddit and other sites. If this is the sort of shit you need to get you through the day, then I heartily recommend you follow those links and stay at those sites, because I refuse to let this site become a cesspool for anti-Clinton (or anti-Sanders) hatred. That that fucking shit elsewhere.

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I refuse to let this site become a cesspool for anti-Clinton (or anti-Sanders) hatred.

Lol

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This shit is bananas.

Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

That is preferable to actually having to visit the GOS...

Every time I click a link to the GOS I always kick myself in the ass for having done so...

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

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Azubia's picture

Unfortunately, before I read yours here, But that was to make a $50.00 donation to Bernie for OPOL. So.... Maybe I'll get banned for it, but, you know. Oh well.

How do we get everyone else to stop posting?
Another thing we might do is all post like $5.00 a day per person for every day OPOL is Timed Out. That could add up to a bundle.

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riverlover's picture

Either to get Bernie to the convention or better (in my mind) right into the pot for c99p. We fled and overwhelmed this site, time to pay some dues here.

That's my plan, dues here, today when the sun comes up and I can pull out a credit card.

[I did peek Over There and I have not received a nasty note in my inbox. May kosmail a few groups as adieu]

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Thumb's picture

Either to get Bernie to the convention or better (in my mind) right into the pot for c99p. We fled and overwhelmed this site, time to pay some dues here.

Great idea!

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Mark from Queens's picture

Thanks for all that you do. Your pieces have always been a great lift, full of edifying, impassioned and fiercely liberal inspiration.

I also see the Sanders 2016 campaign as my last foray with electoral politics and the end of my fealty to the Democratic Party if they railroad his movement. As an Occupy supporter/activist I did not vote for the Obama in 2012, but Bernie pulled me back again because I couldn't believe how much of his platforms lined up with the OWS ideology.

Had a little back and forth with the minions there:

thirty three and a third
Mar 29 · 07:29:46 PM

Jesus Christ, this place has become so pathetic.

It’s starting to distinctly feel like the domain of an authoritarian elementary school principal with a Napolean complex who everybody thinks is an asshole. Turning into a kind of look-behind-your-back Eastern Bloc Communist haven of threats, not knowing what you can and can’t say, who or who isn’t to be trusted, and tip-toeing on egg shells with anxiety that you might be interpreted as someone other than an oath-carrying Loyalist.

The Political Revolution will not be stopped.

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Darmok thirty three and a third
Mar 29 · 07:34:42 PM

Or, it’s a place for electing Democrats.

And not a playground for the same stuff one can find on Redstate or Free Republic.

Or maybe you joined after the 2008 primary season?

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thirty three and a third Darmok
Mar 29 · 08:25:17 PM

I’m not interested in either the DK varsity sweater or wearing the blue Dem uniform if it requires a Loyalty oath.

I’m interested in why there’s chronic dysfunction and a Revolving Door in DC. I’m interested in why my country administers healthcare through for-profit insurance companies. I’m interested in why my democracy requires the endless dialing-for dollars by elected officials to do the work of The People. I'm interested in why my friends can’t afford the ever-rising rents and cost of life because we won't challenge the malignancy of an economic system that is rigged to concentrate wealth in the hands of a few. I’m interested in fighting against the vested interest of a status quo of a broken political system beholden to campaign donors. I’m interested in finding out why friends have to go to other countries to get prescription drugs and surgery because it’s too costly here. I’m interested in finding out why we give massive tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations, an upward redistribution of funds, which they continue to use to further solidify their monopolistic positions in the market and leave us with the bill. I’m interested in knowing why politicians don’t have the courage to dismantle a system that saddles college students with #1 TRILLION of debt, doesn’t prosecute murderous cops, has military bases in over 100 countries around the world resulting in bloated budget that could instead be used to defary the costs of healthcare for all and higher education. I’m interested in prosecuting the Economic Terrorists of Wall St who have destroyed the American middle class by hijacking the economy and continue to savage it with rampant ponzi schemes, institutional fraud and fine print deception.

That’s where my loyalty is. This isn’t a fucking game, in which we blindly root for our team. As NY Times reporter Mark Leibovitch concluded in his book “This Town,” there’s only one color in Washington DC and it’s not red or blue. It’s green, as in Money.

I could go on and on and on and on. But quite frankly I don’t think you really give a shit about any of that.

Besides, Hillary is the bestest, mostest candidate evah! Plus, it’s her turn!! YAY!!!!

Here's a little dose of reality for you folks, if you can stand it: video of Thomas Frank interview with Thom Hartmann)

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indres thirty three and a third
Mar 29 · 09:41:27 PM

Thomas Frank has a book “Listen Liberal”…

It has over 14,000 listens so far.

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Noodles thirty three and a third
Mar 29 · 09:47:10 PM

Bingo. I think you’ve found the dividing line we have here. I’d be interested in hearing people’s opinion on Thomas Frank’s interview and if they think he puts his finger on the problems or if he’s full of crap and then knowing what candidate they support. What an eye opener. He certainly challenges a bunch of my assumptions.

There’s a bunch of history I may have missed revolving around our party since the late 60’s…

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Mogolori thirty three and a third
Mar 29 · 10:01:32 PM

Right fuckin on....

GoGoGoEverton thirty three and a third
Mar 29 · 08:04:20 PM

This comment is a fantastic example of how someone can be completely self-contained in their own bubble.

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thirty three and a third GoGoGoEverton
Mar 29 · 08:37:54 PM

Talk about willfully living in a fucking bubble.

All you can muster is a standard dismissive and evasive, red-herring response, typical of Hills “fans” who never, ever, want to discuss the veritable herd of elephants in the room.

Care to actually attempt to refute any of the assertions?

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Ales thirty three and a third
Mar 29 · 09:04:13 PM

OPOL would say forgive him we need to do the same. I cannot believe this. It is a horrific tragedy. Is this putins Russia?

thirty three and a third Ales
Mar 30 · 12:00:37 AM

I love OPOL and his philosophy.

But my belief is that we have to expose and fight back against the RW Neoliberal pestilence which has infested the Democratic Party and which has infiltrated this site.

The truth is we have the 99% behind us and the thing’s ready to topple. All we need is for a few more to straighten our spines and takes these bastards head on. I don’t think he’d disagree that much.

Quite frankly I’m way past sick and tired of the smug and snide quips with which the concepts of oligarchy, political corruption, healthcare run by insurance companies, media complicity, financial fraud, Wall St Economic Terrorism, Big Pharma domination, corporate subsidies, tax breaks for the wealthy, military overreach, corporate monopolies and student and consumer debt are treated by these Democratic Party Neoliberal frauds.

I apologize in advance if this violates anything here at the wonderful C99.

My purpose is to illustrate the depths to which the Neoliberal cheerleaders have gone in their craven willful ignorance.

Not one person took me up on challenging any of the assertions that I made.

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FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

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In that bubble.

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Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.

I read your long comment earlier - don't remember if I still had rating privileges or not. I sure appreciate all the support. Solidarity.

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Ajaradom's picture

You don't have rating privileges --- I'm in time out right now as well :/

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Carrion's picture

Hey man, you were my first read on KOs ... every diary you posted. You kept us going when beating down by every single faction of the establishment. Kos doesn't deserve or value you. He;s a bitchy little power-monger. Stamps feet, and slags his own members.

Please carry the message on OPOL, we are with u Smile

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Ajaradom's picture

Mark, hope you have an opportunity to speak those words out loud one day --- makes a great speech! Great job!

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Carrion's picture

This... chronic dysfunction and a Revolving Door in DC.
All starts there Smile

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sensetolisten's picture

slowly weening myself of it. I only rec a select few diaries, and have only commented once since 3/15. The best way to hurt kos is to deny him page views. I still review the rec list several times a day just to see what is being rec'd, and how many recs. I just want to see what the DNC is pushing to keep aware of their mindset and what meme's they are pushing.

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“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman

since I took my own personal "time out" on March 4 (ironically, my birthday). I do still glance at a few diaries here and there, just to find the diamonds in the pile of horse manure as it were. Don't linger at all on any of the front page diaries unless it's one of MB's Green News diaries. Haven't even been over there in the last few days -- maybe I'm starting to break the habit finally.

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Lenzabi's picture

after waking up and grabbing a cup of coffee, write my 3rd and final post, comments, etc, and close my daily KOS e-mail and browser tab. time to no longer spend the energy there. time to close it all up, and explain why and let them work it out.

This is the future, tie to work on that.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

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This is not my usual snarky jive talk. I'm just fucking angry at all this rationalization shit about that cesspit.

dervish wrote: "We've done this many times before."

(And I'm not picking on you, dervish, so don't take this personally, please.)

Do you have any idea what that sounds like? This what I hear.

"After the stitches come out, I'll be able to fix dinner again without wincing."

"Pretty soon I won't have to wear sunglasses to hide the black eye."

"He was drunk. He really didn't mean it."

"Once he's sober again, I can go back and get slammed around some more."

I think this shit is called "enabling" and at some point it has to stop.


"If Bernie wins, I'll write..."

Fuck that shit too.

The Hillbots are ideologues of the status quo. They're incapable of progressive thinking because the preponderance of humanity is incapable of stepping out of their comfort zone. They're Right Wing Democrats. Whether they're paid or not in immaterial. The place is losing audience because they're painting themselves further and further into that corner. Anyone who still writes there just gives justification for the "See? We're a big tent here." bullshit, (if you mind your Ps and Qs.) And anyone who continues to write there just makes it easier to for them to say that.

"Yes, but I'm the lone voice of reason in the maelstrom of ..."

You're a fart in a whirlwind. And whirlwinds are highly destructive to the farters, physically and emotionally.

Anyone seriously think the attack dogs are all suddenly going to go all Kumbaya for Bernie? Christ!

OPOL gets banned?

OPOL should never go back. Period. Ever. No GBCW. Nothing.

People who go there should wake up one day, and every day thereafter and say to themselves, "OPOL [to add to the long list] got the chop too? What's the point of wasting my time here?"


The Daily Kos Exodus has begun

The exodus began a while ago, Thank God! Now find a comfy armchair and start writing about shit that matters.

Welcome to causus99percent, Alligator Ed, where the hall monitors are locked in the utility closet.

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Lady Libertine's picture

Ill be back after breakfast duties, have to catch up!

shorter kos:

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Bollox Ref's picture

I've stopped going there.

'No Clicks for Kos!'

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

whyvee's picture

lot of us here seem to be missing you a bunch. I just cannot handle Markos anymore; I am just too damn old for his nonsense. Hope you find a happy place...hope it eventually will here at c99.

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Geebeebee.
OPOL.
Liepar.
Where. Are. They? Or am I supposed to believe geebeebee went silent? Fantastic Bernie supporter that wrote a metric ton of awesome diaries for Bernie and loved all the hits and readership she got suddenly goes quiet across the Internet. RIGHT! More likely I would believe she is posting other another name at DAILYKOS, AKA a sock at any cost and I know it's none of my frikkin business but dammit that pisses me off and shows me that it's not about Bernie. This is why my left wing and other smaller blogs always fail because addix can't stay away from the place that degrades and humiliates and shits all over them and Marcus the Republican asshole laughs all the way to the God damn bank. It's bad enough the greatest writers bring him all the business and he pays them nothing.

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Lenzabi's picture

It' not like I was that engaged other than comments and 2 mainly ignored first tries at diaries at TOP, and it's not like folks there would miss me not writing or commenting. I simply closed down the tab and am finished with that toxic place, wasting words on them would be as throwing pearls before swine. They are so totally a Hillary camp tent. let the traffic there shrink.
Most of the news stuff for anything is found at other sources anyway. Once I get to it, I will make my takes on stuff read at "Think Progress" TYT and Huff-Po and such. Time to cycle my energy for more positive activities. Wink

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

Carrion's picture

at this point , what can banned from a thirdway site hurt? Big Boy B is there stinking up the place... smug. They can have their queen. You will see the exact moment when she drops them for her base. Its coming....

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