So, about OPOL's banishment - a solidarity plan
Okay, so it's a "time out" more than a full on banishment. The Kos version of a cult "shunning" to make a point. OPOL represents too many page views to Kos for him to risk losing him, he's just trying to make a point and get him, and anyone else thinking of defecting from the party line, to get in line and shut up. Like a company town boss suppressing a workers revolt.
This might be unworkable, but I wish it were possible to connect with OPOL's 1,700 followers and anyone else supporting Bernie and/or free and open dialog still posting at the GOS and get everyone to boycott posting for the duration of OPOL's time out. I know it can be tough for some (self included) to not go there and try to lend support for the few remaining, but it would be a thing of beauty if we could in mass stop posting for the week (two?) that OPOL is on time out.
Maybe a few of us could post "Why I Won't Post During OPOLs Time Out" diaries, with nothing more than a request for recs alone and no comments from anyone supporting and joining the writers boycott, and a maybe a request to repeat of the headline in a diary of their own to keep it going? Then follow it up by not taking the bait in the comments, or commenting in any other diary for the duration. If we see supporters posting send a private message asking them to support the boycott for the duration of OPOLs time out?
Am I crazy?
Comments
So glad you're here.
Good.
I just made some more trouble over there for second time today.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/29/1507904/-Cool-David-Brock-opin...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
dude, i think i made it onto one of your graphics a coupla
days ago.
back in the 2014 wisconsin gubernatorial race, i posted a comment along the lines of, "If your vote doesn't matter, why is Scott Walker trying so hard to take it away?"
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
With the utmost respect
"I do appreciate your wanting to support me, but it's not necessary."
Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's not about you, in the same way the Montgomery bus boycott wasn't about Rosa Parks. I think it's just the nature of humans to need a face to put on causes. As shown by Bernie himself, he gets this by constantly reminding everyone that this movement isn't about him, but about us. He understands that he's just the face we've put on something that's been building for a long time now and is coming to a head, and while he's embraced the leadership role of this movement he doesn't want the movement to live and die by him, and he repeats this often. Otherwise the movement is no more than a cult of personality (which Hillary has developed to an amazing degree) and Bernie gets that it's so much more than that.
There's two components required to make a room explode, the long slow build-up of combustible fumes, and a spark. It's easy to blame the spark for an explosion but a spark can come from anywhere and it overlooks the more insidious process of allowing fumes to build up and pressurize.
Bernie is a spark. Rosa Parks was a spark. Your TO is a spark. TOP is a room full of combustible fumes.
So my goal is less to lionize you or make you our hero/martyr, but to harness the energy from this to overcome a lot of institutional inertia and help break people out of the GOS orbit, rob it of the oxygen it needs to keep circumventing progressive causes under the banner of being a progressive blog. After 14-15 years there I've come to accept that the site really is a Trojan Horse to keep progressives from being effective against the major money players, to give us the illusion of a voice. Or maybe I'm over-reacting to think anything we can do at this point to help even more people break out of this unhealthy co-dependency with it, the better? Walking away quietly from bullies was never in my nature.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Fucking AWESOME seeing you here OPOL!!!
Just fucking awesome!!!
Join the club of censored members of TOS. You've only been given a TO but I've been banned from there twice now.
And since we at c99 just love putting our words to music...this is just waaaaaay too long in coming.
This one's for kos and his entire crew at TOS:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QCxyns1lrg]
(((../\..)))
I've always appreciated your diaries
Thanks for keeping up the fight.
OPOL Don't do the GBCW if Bernie loses...
Save it for the "Fuckin Told You So" diary when $illary flames out and crashes...
I'm saving mine for that!
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
That's exactly what I'm saving myself for!
can't wait to do a Happy Dance through the middle of raging impotent Hillary tears!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Ditto
I'll ditto your ditto.
I suppose there it might be sweet to mention their ponies
and how they didn't get 'em.
I agree with folks that we
I agree with folks that we can use a few less "X happened at GOS today" diaries here. But, I suggest folks have patience for the DK refugees who need to get this stuff out of our system. It's impossible for everyone to move on in a flash. And we have many friends and allies still over there so some of us like me are at least popping in to recommend the good diaries (an act which unfortunately helps the site by promoting the stories most people want, but which also helps Bernie). Anyhow, with each passing day and each passing week we should move towards less and less talk of it. This site has been a great oasis and the stories here are growing in quantity, but also in quality with some new substance form new authors. So the future is bright.
We have new arrivals everyday.
I see both sides of the issue. The chilled daily routine of c99 has been disrupted, but this place is called a life boat for good reason. New arrivals need a chance to speak their piece. They've been gagged for so long. Because their arrivals are staggered, the deprogramming process they go through is also staggered and thus ongoing. I do not want to gag anyone. Freedom to speak is why we are all here. We are also all free to pick what we read.
DailyKos is a love/hate relationship for me. The less I'm there, the less I miss it. The more I'm there, the more I hate it. It is really bad now, and it will be worse if Hillary wins. No GBCW for me. I would never give them the satisfaction, and I do not have to explain myself to them or anyone else. Accept it for what it is.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I agree totally with you
New refugees from the GOS have to be able to vent when they first arrive so their spleens don't burst from holding all the frustration and disbelief in. I hope everyone will be patient with them because they will then become valuable contributors to C99%.
kos' comment on OPOL's banning?
I know I'm just indulging my DK dependency pathology, but divineorder's diary mention's "kos’ comment" about OPOL's banning, so I was curious to read it. I'm not finding it, and I don't want to waste a lot of time looking. Anybody have the link?
I'm hoping OPOL will post here. Does anyone know the current number of people signed up here? Just curious.
Thanks.
Here it is.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1507538/60619793#comment_60619793
here's the comment itself, so no one has to click there...
Here's the link, and here's kos' comment itself, so no one has to click there...
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
LOL!
This shit is bananas.
Thank You...
That is preferable to actually having to visit the GOS...
Every time I click a link to the GOS I always kick myself in the ass for having done so...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
O.k. I'm game. I did post to the OPOL is timed out Diary...
Unfortunately, before I read yours here, But that was to make a $50.00 donation to Bernie for OPOL. So.... Maybe I'll get banned for it, but, you know. Oh well.
How do we get everyone else to stop posting?
Another thing we might do is all post like $5.00 a day per person for every day OPOL is Timed Out. That could add up to a bundle.
I have no need to beat you, I just want to go my way."~ Malcolm Renyolds
$5/day/person to where?
Either to get Bernie to the convention or better (in my mind) right into the pot for c99p. We fled and overwhelmed this site, time to pay some dues here.
That's my plan, dues here, today when the sun comes up and I can pull out a credit card.
[I did peek Over There and I have not received a nasty note in my inbox. May kosmail a few groups as adieu]
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Capital idea!
Either to get Bernie to the convention or better (in my mind) right into the pot for c99p. We fled and overwhelmed this site, time to pay some dues here.
Great idea!
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Good to see ya OPOL. Your expulsion got my dander up over there.
Thanks for all that you do. Your pieces have always been a great lift, full of edifying, impassioned and fiercely liberal inspiration.
I also see the Sanders 2016 campaign as my last foray with electoral politics and the end of my fealty to the Democratic Party if they railroad his movement. As an Occupy supporter/activist I did not vote for the Obama in 2012, but Bernie pulled me back again because I couldn't believe how much of his platforms lined up with the OWS ideology.
Had a little back and forth with the minions there:
I apologize in advance if this violates anything here at the wonderful C99.
My purpose is to illustrate the depths to which the Neoliberal cheerleaders have gone in their craven willful ignorance.
Not one person took me up on challenging any of the assertions that I made.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I think you have a lot of company
In that bubble.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
Thank you, Mark.
I read your long comment earlier - don't remember if I still had rating privileges or not. I sure appreciate all the support. Solidarity.
Hi OPOL
You don't have rating privileges --- I'm in time out right now as well :/
sorry about the ban
Hey man, you were my first read on KOs ... every diary you posted. You kept us going when beating down by every single faction of the establishment. Kos doesn't deserve or value you. He;s a bitchy little power-monger. Stamps feet, and slags his own members.
Please carry the message on OPOL, we are with u
In the end, it is important to remember that we cannot become what we need to be, by remaining what we are...
Powerful stuff!
Mark, hope you have an opportunity to speak those words out loud one day --- makes a great speech! Great job!
THis...
This... chronic dysfunction and a Revolving Door in DC.
All starts there
In the end, it is important to remember that we cannot become what we need to be, by remaining what we are...
I am just largely boycotting TOP...
slowly weening myself of it. I only rec a select few diaries, and have only commented once since 3/15. The best way to hurt kos is to deny him page views. I still review the rec list several times a day just to see what is being rec'd, and how many recs. I just want to see what the DNC is pushing to keep aware of their mindset and what meme's they are pushing.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
I haven't rec'd or commented
since I took my own personal "time out" on March 4 (ironically, my birthday). I do still glance at a few diaries here and there, just to find the diamonds in the pile of horse manure as it were. Don't linger at all on any of the front page diaries unless it's one of MB's Green News diaries. Haven't even been over there in the last few days -- maybe I'm starting to break the habit finally.
I will
after waking up and grabbing a cup of coffee, write my 3rd and final post, comments, etc, and close my daily KOS e-mail and browser tab. time to no longer spend the energy there. time to close it all up, and explain why and let them work it out.
This is the future, tie to work on that.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
Crosscommented from the short version...
This is not my usual snarky jive talk. I'm just fucking angry at all this rationalization shit about that cesspit.
(And I'm not picking on you, dervish, so don't take this personally, please.)
Do you have any idea what that sounds like? This what I hear.
"After the stitches come out, I'll be able to fix dinner again without wincing."
"Pretty soon I won't have to wear sunglasses to hide the black eye."
"He was drunk. He really didn't mean it."
"Once he's sober again, I can go back and get slammed around some more."
I think this shit is called "enabling" and at some point it has to stop.
"If Bernie wins, I'll write..."
Fuck that shit too.
The Hillbots are ideologues of the status quo. They're incapable of progressive thinking because the preponderance of humanity is incapable of stepping out of their comfort zone. They're Right Wing Democrats. Whether they're paid or not in immaterial. The place is losing audience because they're painting themselves further and further into that corner. Anyone who still writes there just gives justification for the "See? We're a big tent here." bullshit, (if you mind your Ps and Qs.) And anyone who continues to write there just makes it easier to for them to say that.
"Yes, but I'm the lone voice of reason in the maelstrom of ..."
You're a fart in a whirlwind. And whirlwinds are highly destructive to the farters, physically and emotionally.
Anyone seriously think the attack dogs are all suddenly going to go all Kumbaya for Bernie? Christ!
OPOL gets banned?
OPOL should never go back. Period. Ever. No GBCW. Nothing.
People who go there should wake up one day, and every day thereafter and say to themselves, "OPOL [to add to the long list] got the chop too? What's the point of wasting my time here?"
The Daily Kos Exodus has begun
The exodus began a while ago, Thank God! Now find a comfy armchair and start writing about shit that matters.
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Ill be back after breakfast
Ill be back after breakfast duties, have to catch up!
shorter kos:
My plan?
I've stopped going there.
'No Clicks for Kos!'
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
OPOL...if you are listening..
lot of us here seem to be missing you a bunch. I just cannot handle Markos anymore; I am just too damn old for his nonsense. Hope you find a happy place...hope it eventually will here at c99.
The daily garbage
Geebeebee.
OPOL.
Liepar.
Where. Are. They? Or am I supposed to believe geebeebee went silent? Fantastic Bernie supporter that wrote a metric ton of awesome diaries for Bernie and loved all the hits and readership she got suddenly goes quiet across the Internet. RIGHT! More likely I would believe she is posting other another name at DAILYKOS, AKA a sock at any cost and I know it's none of my frikkin business but dammit that pisses me off and shows me that it's not about Bernie. This is why my left wing and other smaller blogs always fail because addix can't stay away from the place that degrades and humiliates and shits all over them and Marcus the Republican asshole laughs all the way to the God damn bank. It's bad enough the greatest writers bring him all the business and he pays them nothing.
Changed my mind
It' not like I was that engaged other than comments and 2 mainly ignored first tries at diaries at TOP, and it's not like folks there would miss me not writing or commenting. I simply closed down the tab and am finished with that toxic place, wasting words on them would be as throwing pearls before swine. They are so totally a Hillary camp tent. let the traffic there shrink.
Most of the news stuff for anything is found at other sources anyway. Once I get to it, I will make my takes on stuff read at "Think Progress" TYT and Huff-Po and such. Time to cycle my energy for more positive activities.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
banned meh
at this point , what can banned from a thirdway site hurt? Big Boy B is there stinking up the place... smug. They can have their queen. You will see the exact moment when she drops them for her base. Its coming....
In the end, it is important to remember that we cannot become what we need to be, by remaining what we are...
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