@Pluto's Republic Amazing and disgusting story. It took roughly 5-6 years before the Unites States dealt with WWII refugees. The delay was because the republicans were worried that there would be too many Jews among the refugees. Finally in 1950 Republican Congress passed the DP Act, which Truman signed with a scathing rebuttal to gop anti-semistism that fanagled immigration rules to prevent Jews from coming into the country. I believe there was later a revised bill that allowed Jewish refugees to come into the country.

And the US treated these Nazis better than the refugees...

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The surrender of the Nazis was signed on May 8, 1945. Eleven days later, on May 19, "a military transport plane with windows blackened to hide its notorious cargo..." brought in Washington, D.C. the first Nazis, Herbert Wagner, and his two assistants "and then kept [them] hidden from immigration authorities".

The true number of Nazis planted in the US is impossible to know until the CIA opens its files. There were various programs with assorted code-names ("Overcast", "Paperclip", etc) designed to smuggle Nazi scientists (by the thousands) and (inexplicably) Nazi SS regulars (by the tens of thousands). It seems that the US militaries who were recruiting the Nazis after 1945 considered the SS as something similar to the US Marines, so they did their utmost to send them to the US.

Most of the older Nazis (scientists, etc) went straight to the US centers of power. Take the case of General Walter Dornberger. He was one of those responsible for the death of "At least 20,000 prisoners - many of the talented engineers who had been singled out for missile production...- [and who] were killed through starvation, disease, or execution..." Dornberger, after working for the US Air Force, went into the private industry and "eventually rose to be a vice-president in the Bell Aerosystems Division of the Textron Corporation... He died peacefully on June 1980."

The younger SS Nazis, who were brought to the US with their families (!), given free passage, board, emergency funds (with taxpayers money), and assisted to find jobs (at a time when American engineers were laid off), dispersed in the lower levels of the American society.

Did these Nazis, planted in the US society, influence it? The US government's "use of Nazis and collaborators in intelligence programs has left a mark on the life in the United States itself.

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Noam Chomsky posed the right question: "We have to ask ourselves whether what is needed in the United States is dissent-or denazification."

People do ask that question. It slips out all the time. They see the patterns.

But, what is Nazism? The most accurate answer to that is found in the four Indictment Counts of the Nuremberg Tribunal. The Counts:

1. Conspiracy to commit the crimes enumerated in the other three Counts.

2. Crimes against peace, i.e. the planning, initiating, and waging wars of aggression.

3. War crimes, i.e. violations of the laws of war.

4. Crimes against humanity, i.e. exterminations, deportations, and genocide.

Of these counts, number 2 is considered the most important. "By 1939, the peoples of the civilized world had come to believe that the launching of aggressive war was a crime not only morally wrong but one that warranted the most severe punishment. (Bradley F. Smith, "Reaching Judgment at Nuremberg", Basic Books, Inc., New York, 1977, p. 17).

Those were the counts for the Nazis. Now, let us apply them (briefly) to the US:

Count 2: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Haiti, Panama, Somalia, Kosovo, Afghanistan Iraq I, Iraq II (not to add Greece with 160,000 killed through a US proxy army in 1947-9).

Count 3: Vietnam "agent orange", Kosovo DU, Iraq I, Fallujah..., torture all over the planet since 1947.

Count 4: Genocides in Indonesia and East Timor.

Count 1: Conspiracy with the UK. to commit the crimes enumerated in the other three Counts.

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The account above stopped counting in 2007. Since then, the evil acts of the US and its allies have touched the souls of every American. Without another Numenberg, US histories will be void of all knowledge of this. But somehow, the people will know because it is a part of them. If it stopped today, it would still take another century to wash society clean of it.

@MrWebster

Active Measures review – middling doc on Russian election meddling
While there’s an impressive roster of talking heads, including Hillary Clinton, this exhaustive documentary struggles to move past outrage

Which is all a rather ambivalent way of saying that Bryan is extremely thorough in his research and collation of facts. He begins at the beginning of the beginning, with the turbulent circumstances of Vladimir Putin’s conception and birth into a Russia fraught with hardship. A portrait of Putin as a ruthless crime boss in the guise of an elected official promptly takes shape – Tony Soprano, but without the psychological conflict to earn him the empathy. He’s then posed as the architect of what the film touts as “the single largest intelligence operation in history”, a multi-decade scheme to get Donald Trump under the Kremlin’s thumb as a conduit for money and influence at the highest level of American authority.

Two years’ worth of newspaper headlines have told this story piecemeal, but seeing it all arranged just so communicates the enormity of the purported con. Bryan methodically charts the increasing Russian presence in Trump’s business and social lives, from the allegations of his allowing gangsters to use Trump Tower as their personal money laundromat up to the DNC email hack and even the Cambridge Analytica data-mining mischief. Trump is all fraying threads; yank on any one and it leads back to some para-governmental ghoul with a body count and a corruption charge or two. Bryan’s done his homework, mapping out an elaborate network of past wrongdoings with news clippings and TV footage. If the just deserts that this film demands ever come to pass, it will almost certainly be the most copiously photographed treason in a long and illustrious American tradition.

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Though by the film’s conclusion, that outrage is the only thing he’s got. For all the mountains and mountains of evidence that Bryan has organized, it’s strictly circumstantial. As thorough as his reportage may be, this documentary was never going to be the thing to discover the smoking gun definitively proving Trump’s guilt. Without being able to break that news, the film can’t help but end on a note of inconsequentiality. More troubling still, Bryan compensates for the ebbing drama by ratcheting up the attack ad aesthetics (spooky inverse coloration, overtaxed musical cues, flurries of associative cross-cuts) to extremes approaching fear-mongering and paranoia-stoking.

Yeah, yawn.

@lizzyh7

Yeah, we need to give this some thought of how to get people to take the Red Pill.

#10 From what I have read about the "documentary", it is the movie version of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I think someone noted that something like 30 people were interviewed and not one of them Russian I think two of the worst American spies for the Russians approached the Russians.

#10 day, where ever you did it, that we need to put the red pill in the water supply and quick, yeah. Wish there truly was a way.