President Zelenskyy has wizened up
Submitted by gjohnsit on Tue, 03/08/2022 - 5:55pm
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has figured out that NATO is prepared to fight Russia with the lives of every single willing Ukrainian. This has changed his perspective.
The leader of the war-torn nation was also reported to have gone a step ahead in mending fences with Vladimir Putin, stating that he was open to discussing the status of the two breakaway pro-Russian domains of Donetsk and Lugansk which Moscow insists are independent republics."I have cooled down regarding this question a long time ago after we understood that ... NATO is not prepared to accept Ukraine," Zelenskyy said in a televised interview. "The alliance is afraid of controversial things, and confrontation with Russia."
Zelenskyy also said Ukraine did not want to be a "country that is begging something on its knees" and he "did not want to be that President".
I got to admit, I'm liking this Zelensky guy.
Hopefully Putin will show some mercy.
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Zelensky has yielded
on NATO membership and the Donbas and Crimea. Fights he has clearly LOST. Days ago.
However, in his speech to The House of Commons today he riffed on Churchill's We Will Fight Them on The Beaches.
You might want to rethink a leader who is ready to sacrifice others in a cause where NATO has already penciled in his replacement.
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I am truly skeptical of this information.
If true he will likely end up like these two individuals.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukrainians-kill-negotiator-as-suspect...
https://nypost.com/2022/03/03/pro-russian-mayor-of-ukrainian-city-kidnap...
It appears that Zelensky was given some advice with regards
to his future well being.
Zelanski has already made his bed.
He refused to honor the Minsk II agreement he negotiated and signed. Thousands of Russian speakers in Ukraine were exterminated as a result.
He allowed NATO to fluff him, then lied to the Ukrainian people when he said there would be no war. He encouraged Ukrainians to fight to the death after the invasion, when he could have revoked is bluff abut joining NATO. He pleaded with NATO to bring in deadly weapons to station along the Russian border when he knows it would make Ukraine the prime target in a geopolitical showdown.
Acting as a "fool" for NATO — even after NATO lied to him and betrayed him — hs provoked an economic confrontation that will profoundly damage the economies of the gaslit Anglo-American vassal states in Europe. The majority of the world that was not subject to the intense propaganda media of the neocon Neo-liberal new world order, did not support this brinksmanship-confrontation, including Israel and India and most of the Global South. But all the world is about to suffer a US (NATO West) energy and food price crisis that will kill millions, as the US freezes the dollar-demonited assets (treasuries) of any nation, business, or individual that does not obey its global edicts.
All sides will want Zelansky assassinated. He is a dead man walking.
Yes. The US is at-the-moment the Supreme Ruler of the World. The US controls all who live and trade in the dollar-denominated world — whether or not they signed onto this confrontation. NATO West must be obeyed.
When Putin heard about the draconian sanctions he gave only one order: "Stop all fertilizer exports immediately."
That's Russia's deadly response to NATO West.
Now the world must come to grips with this new world order. This is what AIPAC and Internet censorship hath wrought.
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Hi Pluto
In reference to your prediction for Zelensky, it seems like any association with american political aims lead to a dead end, one way or another.
Regarding, "When Putin heard about the draconian sanctions he gave only one order: "Stop all fertilizer exports immediately” probably means further destruction of conserved land, not to mention the tragedy that will unfold because of dependence on commercial agriculture.
It's time to think about sustainability in agriculture
...but the time for action has long passed us by. China has just modernized ten of thousands of small farms and put agricultural science centers in every neighborhood, and Russia has always given every citizen their own land to farm — the dacha system. China has provided most small farmers with drone technology to better monitor their crops with less labor. Of course they have big ag, too. But they do not allow GMO crops and pesticides are highly regulated. Most food grown in Russia is organically grown
But the fact is, on this massively over-populated planet, the soil has been depleted of nutrients. There is a drastic demand for fertilizer, which is a fossil fuel product that Russia provides to the world. Without Russian fertilizer, the world would starve. Russia has been gearing up to become a key supplier suppler of organic produce to the world. That is Putin's point about exporting fertilizer to nations who would cooperate in destroying Russia's economy and lining its borders with WMD and secret bio-labs producing weaponized pathogens.
If you are not aware of the hundreds of US bio-weapons labs surrounding both China and Russia read Dilyana's blog Arms Watch. She's an amazing reporter and has gathered remarkable documentation.
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Minsk II was signed February 2015
Years before Zelensky was elected; therefore, he neither negotiated nor signed the agreement. However, he did run for office on the promise to honor the agreement.
As Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi's front man, Zelensky may expect to have a nice Swiss chateau and Swiss bank account waiting for him when he flees Ukraine. Or not if his patron decides that he didn't fulfill his contract.
Right you are.
And I am actually sympathetic to the terrible situation Zelansiy is entangled in. He came after the election meddling of 2016 on Hillary's behalf, although he did have a hand in the sabotage and money corruption that followed, leading up to Trump's impeachment.
Good times.
I don't know much about Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi. What's in it for him? I see Zelansky in the witness protection program in the US, perhaps living next-door to the Skripals.
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I read somewhere
he has recently purchased a home in Florida. A spendy one at that,IIRC.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Economist Michael Hudson was flabbergasted
....over the self-destructive actions of the US neocons that are controlling Biden's International policies:
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Hudson's article, The American Empire Self-Destructs, is a worthy read, wherein Hudson discusses the unique elements of US-style geopolitics, the mainstream NATO-media, and the “Two Minutes of Hate” news.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
If everyone wants him dead
then he must have done SOMETHING right.
That's not true. There was no mass extermination of Russian speakers in the last couple years.
He did allow NATAO to fluff him, but his guess of there being no war was a reasonable guess. It caught most people by surprise.
Well, yeh. Why would he not have done so?
No, he didn't provoke it. Absolutely not. NATO did. Putin did.
I didn't see any brinksmanship on Zelensky's part. Remember that he kept pissing off Washington because he kept telling everyone to calm down.
Have you read this yet.
And anything to say about this?
That’s Stephan Bandera the Nazis dude from WW2 in the portrait. When Nazis are in the military and have enough power to threaten the president then I’d say that is a problem.
So 8,000 dead Russians doesn’t count as dead Russian speakers? It didn’t just happen in the Donbas either, but all around Ukraine since the coup. Zelensky was elected with 70% because he said that he would uphold Minsk and in the Greyzone article he tried to enforce it and his life was threatened. Are you ignoring sources that you don’t like? If so you are only getting one side of the story. But horses and water…
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Kinda hard to ignore.
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Here is Pilger's take
https://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=33748955
To: ggersh who wrote (185059) 3/9/2022 10:29:52 AM
From: marcher 1 Recommendation of 185073
pilger update, 7 years on:
WAR IN EUROPE AND THE RISE OF RAW PROPAGANDA
17 February 2022
Marshall McLuhan's prophecy that "the successor to politics will be propaganda" has happened. Raw propaganda is now the rule in Western democracies, especially the US and Britain
On matters of war and peace, ministerial deceit is reported as news. Inconvenient facts are censored, demons are nurtured. The model is corporate spin, the currency of the age. In 1964, McLuhan famously declared, "The medium is the message." The lie is the message now.
But is this new? It is more than a century since Edward Bernays, the father of spin, invented "public relations" as a cover for war propaganda. What is new is the virtual elimination of dissent in the mainstream.
The great editor David Bowman, author of The Captive Press, called this "a defenestration of all who refuse to follow a line and to swallow the unpalatable and are brave". He was referring to independent journalists and whistle blowers, the honest mavericks to whom media organisations once gave space, often with pride. The space has been abolished.
The war hysteria that has rolled in like a tidal wave in recent weeks and months is the most striking example. Known by its jargon, "shaping the narrative", much if not most of it is pure propaganda.
The Russians are coming. Russia is worse than bad. Putin is evil, "a Nazi like Hitler", salivated the Labour MP Chris Bryant. Ukraine is about to be invaded by Russia - tonight, this week, next week. The sources include an ex CIA propagandist who now speaks for the US State Department and offers no evidence of his claims about Russian actions because "it comes from the US Government".
The no-evidence rule also applies in London. The British Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, who spent £500,000 of public money flying to Australia in a private plane to warn the Canberra government that both Russia and China were about to pounce, offered no evidence. Antipodean heads nodded; the "narrative" is unchallenged there. One rare exception, former prime minister Paul Keating, called Truss's warmongering "demented".
Truss has blithely confused the countries of the Baltic and Black Sea. In Moscow, she told the Russian foreign minister that Britain would never accept Russian sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh - until it was pointed out to her that these places were not part of Ukraine but in Russia. Read the Russian press about the buffoonery of this pretender to 10 Downing Street and cringe.
This entire farce, recently starring Boris Johnson in Moscow playing a clownish version of his hero, Churchill, might be enjoyed as satire were it not for its wilful abuse of facts and historical understanding and the real danger of war.
Vladimir Putin refers to the "genocide" in the eastern Donbas region of Ukraine. Following the coup in Ukraine in 2014 - orchestrated by Barack Obama's "point person" in Kyiv, Victoria Nuland - the coup regime, infested with neo-Nazis, launched a campaign of terror against Russian-speaking Donbas, which accounts for a third of Ukraine's population.
Overseen by CIA director John Brennan in Kyiv, "special security units" coordinated savage attacks on the people of Donbas, who opposed the coup. Video and eyewitness reports show bussed fascist thugs burning the trade union headquarters in the city of Odessa, killing 41 people trapped inside. The police are standing by. Obama congratulated the "duly elected" coup regime for its "remarkable restraint".
In the US media the Odessa atrocity was played down as "murky" and a "tragedy" in which "nationalists" (neo-Nazis) attacked "separatists" (people collecting signatures for a referendum on a federal Ukraine). Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal damned the victims - "Deadly Ukraine Fire Likely Sparked by Rebels, Government Says".
Professor Stephen Cohen, acclaimed as America's leading authority on Russia, wrote, "The pogrom-like burning to death of ethnic Russians and others in Odessa reawakened memories of Nazi extermination squads in Ukraine during world war two. [Today] storm-like assaults on gays, Jews, elderly ethnic Russians, and other 'impure' citizens are widespread throughout Kyiv-ruled Ukraine, along with torchlight marches reminiscent of those that eventually inflamed Germany in the late 1920s and 1930s...
"The police and official legal authorities do virtually nothing to prevent these neo-fascist acts or to prosecute them. On the contrary, Kyiv has officially encouraged them by systematically rehabilitating and even memorialising Ukrainian collaborators with Nazi German extermination pogroms, renaming streets in their honour, building monuments to them, rewriting history to glorify them, and more."
Today, neo-Nazi Ukraine is seldom mentioned. That the British are training the Ukrainian National Guard, which includes neo-Nazis, is not news. (See Matt Kennard's Declassified report in Consortium 15 February). The return of violent, endorsed fascism to 21st-century Europe, to quote Harold Pinter, "never happened ... even while it was happening".
On 16 December, the United Nations tabled a resolution that called for "combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism". The only nations to vote against it were the United States and Ukraine.
Almost every Russian knows that it was across the plains of Ukraine's "borderland" that Hitler's divisions swept from the west in 1941, bolstered by Ukraine's Nazi cultists and collaborators. The result was more than 20 million Russian dead.
Setting aside the manoeuvres and cynicism of geopolitics, whomever the players, this historical memory is the driving force behind Russia's respect-seeking, self-protective security proposals, which were published in Moscow in the week the UN voted 130-2 to outlaw Nazism. They are:
- NATO guarantees that it will not deploy missiles in nations bordering Russia. (They are already in place from Slovenia to Romania, with Poland to follow)
- NATO to stop military and naval exercises in nations and seas bordering Russia.
- Ukraine will not become a member of NATO.
- the West and Russia to sign a binding East-West security pact.
- the landmark treaty between the US and Russia covering intermediate-range nuclear weapons to be restored. (The US abandoned it in 2019)
These amount to a comprehensive draft of a peace plan for all of post-war Europe and ought to be welcomed in the West. But who understands their significance in Britain? What they are told is that Putin is a pariah and a threat to Christendom.
Russian-speaking Ukrainians, under economic blockade by Kyiv for seven years, are fighting for their survival. The "massing" army we seldom hear about are the thirteen Ukrainian army brigades laying siege to Donbas: an estimated 150,000 troops. If they attack, the provocation to Russia will almost certainly mean war.
In 2015, brokered by the Germans and French, the presidents of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France met in Minsk and signed an interim peace deal. Ukraine agreed to offer autonomy to Donbas, now the self declared republics of Donetsk and Luhansk.
The Minsk agreement has never been given a chance. In Britain, the line, amplified by Boris Johnson, is that Ukraine is being "dictated to" by world leaders. For its part, Britain is arming Ukraine and training its army.
Since the first Cold War, NATO has effectively marched right up to Russia's most sensitive border having demonstrated its bloody aggression in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and broken solemn promises to pull back. Having dragged European "allies" into American wars that do not concern them, the great unspoken is that NATO itself is the real threat to European security.
In Britain, a state and media xenophobia is triggered at the very mention of "Russia". Mark the knee-jerk hostility with which the BBC reports Russia. Why? Is it because the restoration of imperial mythology demands, above all, a permanent enemy? Certainly, we deserve better.
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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Yep this
It’s appalling that Germany is arming neo Nazis as is Israel. The world has gone fcking mad!
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I'm listening. Are you?
The coup was 8 years ago. The fighting largely ended in 2015-16.
That was years and years before Zelensky took office.
I'm not questioning that all of those people died. I calling BS on the claim that this happened after Zelensky took office.
I believe that as well. But that strengthens the point that Zelensky isn't the cause of this disaster.
Do you have a source for this?
Ukraine has been warring still in the 2 breakaway countries in the Donbas area. That’s why Russia decided to give them protection. Aaron Mate is saying that it continued after the coup. He’s not the only one saying it. I will look for a link. I know you don’t like Jimmy, but he had Aaron on yesterday talking about this. Sorry link is on my phone.
FWIW Ukraine was planning on attacking them in March. According to papers Russia found.
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Not right now
I kind of assumed that everyone knew that the front-lines were "frozen" since 2015-16.
As for "fighting" since then, there's been shelling that has happened on almost a weekly basis in the last 6 years. So I'm sure that a few hundred people have been killed in the last 6 years, but it's been nothing like the first couple years of the war.
So yeah, I've been following this conflict for eight years now.
There are things that I don't know, but I am familiar with all the basic information
Task and Purpose
This is actually a really good breakdown of the military situation.
I'm happy you like a fraud.
I want to feel sorrow for someone who actually wanted to help his nation and failed.
But he went beyond failure and chose a side that would continue his presidency. He reneged on his promise to unite and instead sided with the worst possible.
He's not a funny comedian anymore. He's a traitor to those who voted for him in the hope of change.
Doesn't that sound familiar?
By the way, he's already run away from the sinking ship he commanded. Just another coward bought and owned by the mic.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I think that he was put in an impossible situation
Before you judge him so harshly, consider who he replaced.
Soooooooo...........
he's not like Trump?
LMAO!
That's almost as good as the one about "There can't be nazi under his command because he's jewish".
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Laugh all you want
But I think Zelensky played it more honest and fair than Biden, anyone at NATO, or Putin.
That's still a relative statement, but the only thing I blame him for is believing the liars around him.
Zelensky declared
in a public statement and public document his intention to retake Crimea and the Donbas area by force last Spring. That declaration started the crisis that led to this disaster.
And for people like me who had hoped he would honor the overwhelming majority of the people of Ukraine and move toward peace, it was an end of the illusion.
Word!
My gawd and amen. All wars are EVIL!
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Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.
It's only a matter of time
There is no place else to go.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Overall,
gjohnsit, the impression in the past year is that Zelensky is caught in a vice between NATO, which wants him to arm Nazis and unleash WWIII, and Nazis, who want him to arm Nazis and unleash WWIII. Both controllers want him to use nuclear weapons. He has done nothing to honor the Ukrainian people who voted for him and for his peace platform.
Now, not only the Crimeans and the people of Donbas, but the people of the whole country have to leave. What was a 3 million person refugee exodus from Ukraine several years ago is suddenly 2 million more in one week. Obviously things have not improved.
The declaration of retaking Crimea and Donbas by force, announced publicly and delivered openly, and blasted virally on YouTube last Spring, was the clarifier in case anyone was confused about his prospects for a peaceful future.
You and I may speculate about whether he is a tool or a student of events, a flake or a charlatan, but by his deeds shall we know him. At this moment he his a merchant of death.
I still think you are judging him too harshly
But I can't argue that the results for his country have been awful.