is that her supporters seem to like it when she gets totally nasty, like it's a good thing for the (in their minds) future leader of the free world to be a total jerk. I really prefer the notion of having someone be a breath of fresh air and a real inspiration for people to come together and do our best - it's the only way we'll effectively save ourselves.
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her supporters seem to like it when she gets totally nasty, like it's a good thing for the (in their minds) future leader of the free world to be a total jerk.
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trump and hillary suppoters are starting to seem a lot alike. but maybe dailykos clinton supporters are much nastier than the average, because their modus operandi is to set people up with insults, then flag and censor pretty much any response that they think they can get away with (with is just about anything).
their sense of victimization and entitlement is gross.
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Would be if the general election was Clinton vs Cruz vs Stein. If Stein looks like she won't win a few days before the November election I might vote for Clinton. Trump muddies that decision a bit. Regardless, I'll be supporting Bernie or Jill throughout the Fall campaign.
The people on GOS are not low information. By and large these are politically sophisticated people perfectly able to research reality. And yet they support Clinton. That's a bit of a problem. The fact that Clinton lies and has always lied... a lot... is readily verifiable. The fact that she's very cozy with corporate interests including things traditionally disliked like the MIC is also readily verifiable. Her attitudes about war are also readily verifiable. I could go on.
What all of that means is that if you're a liberal and you support Hillary Clinton you've basically agreed that the truth is less important than winning. You have departed from "the reality based community" and now live in a land of propaganda. So of course they like the pro-Hillary propaganda. For them, that's perfectly reasonable. It's also reasonable that they double down on the lies when shown to be untrue because they do not care about the truth. What they care about first and foremost is winning.
What's interesting to me is that her supporters seem to like it when she gets totally nasty
I can almost hear one of them saying "politics ain't bean bag" as if that was a valid reason to abandon things like honor and dignity.
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but having just spent a week in very close quarters with close family HRC supporters, I am completely blown away by the attitudes (not in any way nasty - but more than subtly dismissive) of these educated, intelligent, politically aware 'pragmatists', who have no problem shutting down any realistic talk about their seriously flawed candidate. The crime bill response = humming. Haiti and Honduras response = I don't want to talk about it. But you were a civil rights activist response = I'm trying to work it from the inside this time (??????). The foundation, the emails, her approval ratings, the enthusiasm generated by Bernie response = symbolic hands in ears along with blank stares. I'm having a real problem coming to terms with an ugly truth that I can't shake off just yet. Its definitely about winning, but I also sense fear, for all the wrong reasons, behind the bravado.
It is amusing to watch Kos and others jump through hoops as Bernie keeps winning and keeps bringing up issues
Are you going to try and get back to dailykos, or just let it go?
This piece on the polling trends for Clinton shows one of their reasons to worry
This campaign season we have learned what they have done including just yesterday the 1996 crime bill with its effect on the poor & Bill's shut down of the BLM protester
I was visiting WA state when Bernie won every county in the state caucuses - a great event.
The member who posted the 2008 Hillary video from a prior front pager (Jed) was given the ban hammer. Apparently posting what was once front paged is now a banning offense.
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I went into that diary over there and dropped a couple of 1984 quotes. Jed Lewison was apparently contacted and also showed up to comment, swearing allegiance to Hillary and telling us we should just move on as he did. I responded to him, asking if he disavowed the content of his video.
Crickets.
Next to Markos' own personal time out for OPOL, this may have been the most egregious example of censorship I've seen over there since the putsch.
I'm letting it go. When I go over there to read something that someone posted a link to from here it almost makes me sick to my stomach to see how things have changed over there.
Polls are a snapshot, and Bernie's support is a moving target. The term "momentum" is often derided in politics, but it's a real thing. Bernie has been moving up in the polls for his whole campaign, both nationally and in the states.
The Clinton strategy now is to "disqualify" Bernie and stop his momentum. I don’t think it will work. He is better qualified for the presidency than Hillary.
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Gerrit has some new poll numbers from NY that may indicate the "disqualify" tactic had an effect. Bernie did damage control this morning on NBC's "Today" show.
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Dan Froomkin was the only reason that I went daily to WaPost until he was fired several years ago. He generated more web traffic to the paper than anything else. And that was before the billionaire owner of Amazon.com bought the paper.
I still subscribe to the NYT, but as of today I'm canceling that. Krugman and a few others were my main reasons for keeping that subscription, that and sometimes a quick headline scan to see just what they're spinning today. Done now. They really are terrified of Bernie and that lousy column just helps prove it.
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The only reason I bother with the NYT is the comments. There is one wag on there named Socrates who is simply brilliant. He is a Berniac. I got warned over at TOP. I called Hill the Shill, "Shrill." It's a shame what has happened to DK. Ole Markos couldn't resist getting corrupted by making all that mean green.
I'm sure there's a reason. He was anti-Bush, correct? That's probably it. Some people we know appeared to be on our side at times and only later showed that they had other axes to grind.
they used to call this guy "Krugzilla", implying that he was some kind of bad-ass one man wrecking crew of right wing economic tropes. How the mighty have fallen! To any remotely objective observer, Krugman today is about equal in stature, as well as ability to intimidate via the strength of his arguments, as the GEICO gecko. And at least the gecko is vaguely amusing.
Started from "They're all the same." to making headway separating Bernie from the herd for him. He's totally pissed that the R machine is no different from the D machine, and the Donald seems the only alternative. He's far from stupid, so he'll need time to digest and research on his own.
are two people we lefties use to look up to but who have shown who they really are during this election cycle. I will not cancel my NYT subscription, but I have stopped reading Krugman. I only read the first paragraph to see where he is going. It is very disappointing.
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What's interesting to me
is that her supporters seem to like it when she gets totally nasty, like it's a good thing for the (in their minds) future leader of the free world to be a total jerk. I really prefer the notion of having someone be a breath of fresh air and a real inspiration for people to come together and do our best - it's the only way we'll effectively save ourselves.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Part of being
a Clinton supporter is the sense she is always under siege.
They are always the victim.
The same could easily be said for Trump
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
yes
trump and hillary suppoters are starting to seem a lot alike. but maybe dailykos clinton supporters are much nastier than the average, because their modus operandi is to set people up with insults, then flag and censor pretty much any response that they think they can get away with (with is just about anything).
their sense of victimization and entitlement is gross.
did 9 months in California prison, because Neoliberal Democrats and GOP maggots work together to profit off the drug war
Why is the left going after Trump?
Let Hillary do her own work if she is the candidate. Not to mention that I'd rather have Trump any day and every day before Cruz.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
agreed
did 9 months in California prison, because Neoliberal Democrats and GOP maggots work together to profit off the drug war
The one case where I would vote for Hillary out of fear
Would be if the general election was Clinton vs Cruz vs Stein. If Stein looks like she won't win a few days before the November election I might vote for Clinton. Trump muddies that decision a bit. Regardless, I'll be supporting Bernie or Jill throughout the Fall campaign.
Beware the bullshit factories.
They have the market cornered
on crocodile tears.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Think about that for a minute
The people on GOS are not low information. By and large these are politically sophisticated people perfectly able to research reality. And yet they support Clinton. That's a bit of a problem. The fact that Clinton lies and has always lied... a lot... is readily verifiable. The fact that she's very cozy with corporate interests including things traditionally disliked like the MIC is also readily verifiable. Her attitudes about war are also readily verifiable. I could go on.
What all of that means is that if you're a liberal and you support Hillary Clinton you've basically agreed that the truth is less important than winning. You have departed from "the reality based community" and now live in a land of propaganda. So of course they like the pro-Hillary propaganda. For them, that's perfectly reasonable. It's also reasonable that they double down on the lies when shown to be untrue because they do not care about the truth. What they care about first and foremost is winning.
I can almost hear one of them saying "politics ain't bean bag" as if that was a valid reason to abandon things like honor and dignity.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Not only have I been thinking about it for over a year now
but having just spent a week in very close quarters with close family HRC supporters, I am completely blown away by the attitudes (not in any way nasty - but more than subtly dismissive) of these educated, intelligent, politically aware 'pragmatists', who have no problem shutting down any realistic talk about their seriously flawed candidate. The crime bill response = humming. Haiti and Honduras response = I don't want to talk about it. But you were a civil rights activist response = I'm trying to work it from the inside this time (??????). The foundation, the emails, her approval ratings, the enthusiasm generated by Bernie response = symbolic hands in ears along with blank stares. I'm having a real problem coming to terms with an ugly truth that I can't shake off just yet. Its definitely about winning, but I also sense fear, for all the wrong reasons, behind the bravado.
Great table
Very revealing.
ChemBob - see that you are still banned on dailykos
It is amusing to watch Kos and others jump through hoops as Bernie keeps winning and keeps bringing up issues
Are you going to try and get back to dailykos, or just let it go?
This piece on the polling trends for Clinton shows one of their reasons to worry
This campaign season we have learned what they have done including just yesterday the 1996 crime bill with its effect on the poor & Bill's shut down of the BLM protester
I was visiting WA state when Bernie won every county in the state caucuses - a great event.
another one banned
The member who posted the 2008 Hillary video from a prior front pager (Jed) was given the ban hammer. Apparently posting what was once front paged is now a banning offense.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Maybe this is their way of dealing with...
server overload.
Loading the pages gives "molasses in winter time" a bad name.
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It's their way of burying anything
bad for their candidate. If you can't see or hear it, it just magically doesn't exist...
Heh
At first I read your comment as "severe overlord".
After seeing that poster's plea for help here
I went into that diary over there and dropped a couple of 1984 quotes. Jed Lewison was apparently contacted and also showed up to comment, swearing allegiance to Hillary and telling us we should just move on as he did. I responded to him, asking if he disavowed the content of his video.
Crickets.
Next to Markos' own personal time out for OPOL, this may have been the most egregious example of censorship I've seen over there since the putsch.
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Double plus ungood
1984
Beware the bullshit factories.
Hi Don,
I'm letting it go. When I go over there to read something that someone posted a link to from here it almost makes me sick to my stomach to see how things have changed over there.
There is an English expression that escaped my until last night.
"Barking Mad"
Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope she reaches her tipping point soon.
Thanks for the chart, fladem. Those are a real help for the reading impaired. AB {===
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The goal
is to apply pressure so that she makes a mistake.
and get Bill to make more mistakes
Bill's popularity continues to fall
I have been down on him for several years but now feel even worse because of his work to drive the democratic party to the right
We sure don't need Hillary in there swinging for the oligarchs
What of the MA polling place suit?
Does anyone know how Bill's violation of polling place law has affected Hillary's chances?
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Truth
Speaking the truth about her record is "applying pressure."
It's politics, so I get it, but it just seems funny to me that this is what it has come to with HRC.
She has
But the media refuses to cover it.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
The English are a treasure trove of great expressions :)
Some others that might apply to our Hills:
Vicar of Bray
A person who changes their beliefs and principles to stay popular with people above them is a Vicar of Bray
Jam tomorrow
This idiom is used when people promise good things for the future that will never come.
And for me, Hills statements:
Go down like a cup of cold sick
An idea or excuse that will not be well accepted will go down like a cup of cold sick.
And for Hillary,
Bob's her uncle and Charlie's her aunt.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
done
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/15/politics/hillary-clinton-barks-like-a-dog-...
Oh wow, Did she go full Palin???
Everyone knows you never go full Palin....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I thought I saw a Trump ad with her barking - maybe it was just
wishful thinking.
all we need is for Hillary to be herself
I think that would be enough to run most people to Bernie. The more people get to know Bernie the better they like him. Hillary...not so much.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Polls are a trailing indicator
Polls are a snapshot, and Bernie's support is a moving target. The term "momentum" is often derided in politics, but it's a real thing. Bernie has been moving up in the polls for his whole campaign, both nationally and in the states.
The Clinton strategy now is to "disqualify" Bernie and stop his momentum. I don’t think it will work. He is better qualified for the presidency than Hillary.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
UPDATE
Gerrit has some new poll numbers from NY that may indicate the "disqualify" tactic had an effect. Bernie did damage control this morning on NBC's "Today" show.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
DC cocktail parties - what you are missing
An article from a year ago about where the in crowd hangs out
The Infernal Cocktail Party Corruption of Washington’s Elite Media
Dan Froomkin was the only reason that I went daily to WaPost until he was fired several years ago. He generated more web traffic to the paper than anything else. And that was before the billionaire owner of Amazon.com bought the paper.
Did anyone read NYT/Krugman this morning?
I still subscribe to the NYT, but as of today I'm canceling that. Krugman and a few others were my main reasons for keeping that subscription, that and sometimes a quick headline scan to see just what they're spinning today. Done now. They really are terrified of Bernie and that lousy column just helps prove it.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Krugman's abominable.
My God, how did I believe he was such a hero for so long? He's not a liberal, he's a hypocrite.
Twain Disciple
Krugman.
The only reason I bother with the NYT is the comments. There is one wag on there named Socrates who is simply brilliant. He is a Berniac. I got warned over at TOP. I called Hill the Shill, "Shrill." It's a shame what has happened to DK. Ole Markos couldn't resist getting corrupted by making all that mean green.
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let's see why we liked Krugman
I'm sure there's a reason. He was anti-Bush, correct? That's probably it. Some people we know appeared to be on our side at times and only later showed that they had other axes to grind.
Hard to believe
they used to call this guy "Krugzilla", implying that he was some kind of bad-ass one man wrecking crew of right wing economic tropes. How the mighty have fallen! To any remotely objective observer, Krugman today is about equal in stature, as well as ability to intimidate via the strength of his arguments, as the GEICO gecko. And at least the gecko is vaguely amusing.
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Working on turning my Trumpie neighbor away from the dark path.
Started from "They're all the same." to making headway separating Bernie from the herd for him. He's totally pissed that the R machine is no different from the D machine, and the Donald seems the only alternative. He's far from stupid, so he'll need time to digest and research on his own.
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Krugman and Barney Frank
are two people we lefties use to look up to but who have shown who they really are during this election cycle. I will not cancel my NYT subscription, but I have stopped reading Krugman. I only read the first paragraph to see where he is going. It is very disappointing.
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