Poll: Majority of Democrats "oppose the current Democratic leaders”
Submitted by gjohnsit on Tue, 10/24/2017 - 10:36pm
It's not shocking, but it is good to see the numbers.
A new Harvard-Harris poll finds that the majority of Democrats and the overwhelming majority of young Democrats believe that the party is insufficiently to the left.
Fifty-two percent of Democrats polled say that they support “movements within the Democratic Party to take it even further to the left and oppose the current Democratic leaders.”
The strongest support for moving the party left came from young Democrats with 69% of Democrats ages 18-34 saying the support those left movements.
Note how liberals, moderates, and conservatives all support the progressive insurgency in the Democratic Party.
Allow me to rephrase the title of this essay to:
Poll: Majority of Democrats say "bite me Markos"
Meanwhile, nearly two thirds of respondents felt that the current investigations into President Donald Trump’s ties to Russia are hurting the country more than helping. Only 51% of Democrats felt the investigation was helping, with the other 49% arguing it was hurting.
Ouch! 49% of Democrats aren't buying the "OMG! Russia!"
An then the poll gets better.
The latest Harvard-Harris poll, conducted between October 14 and October 18, affirms that voters are increasingly favoring Sen. Bernie Sanders and progressivism while President Donald Trump’s favorability continues its downward spiral.
Sanders’ total favorability in this latest poll is 53 percent, and it is highest among hispanics (66 percent) and African-Americans (77 percent). His numbers dwarf other leading politicians’ on the left and right, including Hillary Clinton, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer.
...Since Trump’s election, several polls have found that Sanders is the most popular politician in the country, including previous Harvard-Harris polls conducted earlier this year. Additionally, a July 2017 Morning Consult poll and a survey conducted by Fox News in March 2017 found similar results. A July 2017 poll conducted by Public Policy Polling found that Sanders would defeat Trump by 13 percentage points if a general presidential election was held at that time.Since Trump’s election, several polls have found that Sanders is the most popular politician in the country, including previous Harvard-Harris polls conducted earlier this year. Additionally, a July 2017 Morning Consult poll and a survey conducted by Fox News in March 2017 found similar results. A July 2017 poll conducted by Public Policy Polling found that Sanders would defeat Trump by 13 percentage points if a general presidential election was held at that time.
Bernie 79-13
Hillary 75-22
Warren 61-12
Comments
"bite me Markos"
And you can just go right along with him, Clintons!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Or, in Caitlin's parlance
"Fucking blow me."
@WaterLily How about:
How about:
Fuck yourselves right in the ear.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That's physically impossible
You should suggest he get someone on skid row to help with that.
@gjohnsit Well, they don't
Well, they don't get to blow me, that's for damned sure!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Not a surprise
Not a surprise. Also not a surprise that Dems are sticking with their corporately owned leaders to keep progressives from assuming control over the party. This is their cash cow and they will milk it until it runs dry.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
So it's in our interest to make it run dry ASAP. n/t
So same problem as the
GOP. I think some wise ass named Hobbes said it best. "The war of all against all"
Wiseass … named Hobbes …
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hobbes+calvin&iax=images&ia=images
Hobbes
Was that the famous British philosophe, or Calvin's stuffed feline friend?
(They do seem to be playing a lot of Calvinball in Washington in recent years!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Anyway to find out how many people dem-exited
after the 2016 elections? Just from the number of people who were purged or left ToP, the number seems pretty big using a small demographic number of people.
Many have changed to independents, but I wonder how many people like me have vote-exited?
I quit playing the voting game after 2008. I didn't even bother to vote for Bernie basically because it's Utah and I don't remember the last time it went for a democrat.
Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.
Ask and ye shall receive
From Gallup
Here's the entire history from 2004 - present
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Here's a close up from mid 2016 - present
On this version I've added some trend lines so you can see the actual effect over time.
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So assuming we can trust Gallup, looks like Dems are not suffering from #DemExit although both Dem and Rep seem to have a slow, steady slide.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
That's like a picture of "Buy, hold, sell" examples n/t
@SnappleBC Funny. Looked to me
Funny. Looked to me like the number of independents was rising and rising.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@SnappleBC As for Demexit, looks
As for Demexit, looks like people left and then came back because OMG Trump.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That's what I was interpreting also
It looks to me like #DemExit came and went. But there's still the gradual slide for both Republicans and Democrats along with the gradual increase in Independents. Those things have little to do with #Demexit.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
That and I believe that some Progs were running, some of which got in? There were quite a number of voters apparently voting down-ticket for any decent Progs/Dems but not for President, leaving that ghastly blank unfilled, which a number of people had stated they'd do in comments I'd seen.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@SnappleBC
Well, there has been that DemEnter thing, in the attempt to take it over and crowd the corruption out. But if a decent and well-organized party with a solid progressive (edit: platform) was promoted, and especially if Bernie left to head one at a more strategic moment closer to the next Presidential election, (since he'd be immediately blacked out in the media, apart from dismissive smears,) an actual Progressive Party that people had a chance to learn about should clean up with Indies alone, along with a lot of the better-informed current Dem-voters-out-of-desperation who would follow him over, as likely would a fair number voting for Trump mainly because he was a wild card who lied nicely and they needed to keep The Mad Bomber out.
And that scenario was, I gather, also the only previous time in history that an American political party has ever been replaced, by following a populist leader from one failing to represent their interests.
However, electoral cheating and Homeland Security electoral infrastructure control remains a problem and citizens would have to step in, in demanding and supplying citizen oversight, including exit polling, every step of the way, making it clear that any suspect result will never again be left to stand as a done deal to be fixed 'next time' - as has been the case every time up until now.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North We read that NY among
We read that NY among several states purged voters, did not count ballots, made voting difficult, etc. The results of these elections stands and nobody gets in trouble for perverting our democracy. No wonder people do not vote.
It's hard to measure,
eg I'll vote for progressive Dems, but I've effectively Dem-exited regarding centrist assholes. I won't give up my registration, but I also won't give one cent to the party.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
From 10 months ago
Want a More Progressive Democratic Party? Stop Donating to It.
#DemEntry: neocon ex-GOPers, coming soon to a Dem venue near you
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/19/republicans-have-stockholm-syndrome-...
Dems can count on an influx of disgruntled GOP neocons to boost their numbers and make up for the loss of #Demexit’ed Bernie supporters.
Max Boot:
This is disappointing to read
but it's what democrats are counting on. This way insures that they don't have to change anything or bother to offer anything any different than the republicans are offering.
Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.
What the Democrats have been counting on
for 25 years. That's what Chuck Schumer was taped saying during the election, that for everyone on the left they lose they pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs.
The reason this doesn't work anymore is that there aren't any significant numbers of moderate Republican voters anymore. They've been voting for Democrats for some time now, particularly if they are pro-choice.
Most of the elected officials are "centrists" - neoliberal/neoconservatives that are the favorite of corporate donors. There aren't many centrist voters.
So this guy can write what he wants, but there aren't enough voters in that demographic to matter. If Democratic candidates want to win, they need to move left, hard, ASAP.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
@WoodsDweller Ah, I see. They've
Ah, I see. They've already gotten them. Clinton Republicans, kind of like Reagan Democrats. And they're already there.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
lurching to the left?
Lurching to the left? ROTFLMAO!!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
No doubt the Libertarian market fundies will join them as well.
After all, they find it much easier to
buylobby for political influence than to run for office.Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
@lotlizard So Chuck Schumer was
So Chuck Schumer was right and they're gonna get a Republican in the suburbs for every Democrat in the Rust Belt that they lose?
Maybe. However, looks to me like both parties are lagging far behind the independents.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Both Vladimir and Estragon want to go
but do they move?
Same with the Democrats. They claim they don't like the leadership, but will anything change?
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
@Cassiodorus Well, like I said, looks
Well, like I said, looks like independents are far ahead of either party, and about to narrowly outstrip both. I think the "fuck all those bastards" party is the biggest one in America.
As for the Democrats, the line in Snapple's graph looks like they left at the end of 2016, and then came back after the inauguration. Either that, or there was a new flood of Republican converts. Because OMG Trump!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A poll he can't control said "bite me Markos"
Ha ha! Thanks. Made me go back to peer at his StrawPoll page again. Gosh that was fun. Markos did everything he could to show Clinton would win. NOPE! Finally gave up in April 2016. Heh.
https://www.dailykos.com/news/StrawPoll
The last one has Hillary on top, losing. CAPS LOCK got stuck
For old times' sake, let's do a Democratic Party straw poll
Jan 26, 2016
good luck
Silly you!
Don't you remember that every single Kos poll showing Bernie in the lead was freeped?
LOL. Good times.
Dem party leadership/establishment control election infrastruct
But unfortunately, it is pretty much impossible to unseat unpopular public officials and the cadre that keeps them in power. With recent moves by Perez, Bernie supporters are being purged out of positions of influence. Back in the day after working many a primary, democrats know how to cheat, and commonly cheat, other democrats in primaries. The gop in a bizarre way, rusn clean primaries (witness Trump and Tea Baggers challengers) but instead are thee experts at cheating in the general elections.
To be fair, the current Democratic leaders
oppose the majority of Democrats, so at least there's symmetry.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
numbers
gjohnsit, or anyone, what are these numbers at the bottom of the essay? Thank you.
Bernie 79-13
Hillary 75-22
Warren 61-12
approval vs. disapproval
amongst democrats
@gjohnsit See, that's why I'll
See, that's why I'll never be a Democrat again. 75% of Democrats approve of her, but only 41% of the general populace, while 57% disapproves.
I bet some of that is accounted for by Demexit, but can't be sure, of course. It would make sense that those Democrats who found her unbearable would leave the party--it's so obvious that there's no daylight at all between the Democratic party and the Clinton machine. They might as well rename it the Clinton party.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't believe Hillary's numbers
or Warren's.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Exactly my reaction.
Bernie betrays Democrats
That's the Salon headline.
Of course it is.
Also: How does it feel,
Democratsassholes?This is pretty hilarious.
The Stockholm Syndrome is now the gold standard for ethical behavior.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
well said.
right up there with "the beatings will continue until morale improves!"
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
"if you loved me, you wouldn't make me hurt you like this"
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I doubt they'll ever learn...
Read a piece in The Atlantic online by Molly Ball. She went with DNC folks on a recent "listening trip" in WI and elsewhere, then showed bits from the DNC report interpreting what they heard vs what she heard in the same meetups. Whitewash and more of the same from them, real concern from her. Unless and until the same old leadership is gone,there's zero chance of the Dems surviving... Which is pretty much what I thought all along. The article was quite good and they do have a limited free view policy,which is good since I am not a subscriber.