A peek into TOP - primary straw poll
Submitted by MsGrin on Wed, 04/13/2016 - 9:27am
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/12/1514376/-For-old-time-s-sake-le...
Offered without lingering comment.
Here's the title: For old times' sake, let's do a Democratic Party straw poll
Here's the first paragraph:
I quit running these polls because of the primary math, but since this thing continues to linger, why not revisit community sentiment and spark yet another tiresome pie war that’ll change exactly zero minds? I know, I know, you’re thinking, "What’s the point now that Chafee isn’t running?” I hear you, I really do, but regardless, I’ll soldier on.
Result at 9:30 on 4/13:
(Originally, it posted at 3:16 on 4/12/)
Hillary Clinton 47% (7181 votes)
Bernie Sanders 52$ (7946 votes)
Other 1% (83 votes)
No Freakin' Clue 1% (207 votes)
Comments
Like me
I'll wager a lot of Bernie votes have already left Kos...(what is TOP ?). I like a lot of the posters there (Dallasdoc, MB, crashing Vor...) but I am not gonna stay when I have been uninvited. Besides, if it's going from electing better Dems to Party echo chamber I don't need it.
Welcome!
TOP = The Other Place most of us are refugees from...
Dallasdoc shows up here.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Check the member list. top left...
Dallas Doc is here and so is MB. IMO, Kos published that poll to see if he had finally driven enough of Bernie's support off the site. Since Bernie still wins, he'll have to work even harder. All the new users on the rec list is on purpose. I have never seen new users make the rec list so frequently and easily in all of the 12 years that I've been there. He and his Kos Kops are rolling the rec. list so Bernie diaries don't stay on it. By hook or crook, dailykos will be Hillary's site.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
That was my thought
Have I driven enough away to insist upon dittoheads and fealty oaths
DK i$ on Hillary'$ $ide: Take the Red Pill and find out!
RED PILL TIME?
From "The Matrix" when Morpheus urges Neo to make a choice as to what reality in which he wants to live. Does he want to know how things really are or go back to a 'comfortable' life of illusion?:
Morpheus says to Neo:
(Haven't figured out how to do links here yet, sorry.)
Sea Turtle
Even after the purge...
Her royal highness can't win a straw poll...
Considering they've done everything but drop a mountain on her side of the scale, it's pretty pathetic.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Am guessing the poll was to see if the purge is yet sufficient
...to tip the scales.
Apparently not.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I get at least one flag a day
in one of my three comments I make in a 24 hr period. I keep expecting them to ban me or timeout me because I keep calling her a liar and cheat. So far, though, only flags.
I didn't vote in the poll. I want to give Zuniga as little as possible.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I can't even get flagged! It
I can't even get flagged! It's pathetic. I think my idea of harsh is maybe still not that harsh.
I can't believe the stuff I get flagged for.
Someone was mentioning how some Bernie supporters might stay home rather than vote for Hillary. My comment was:
This received a flag.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Heh ...
If the day ever comes that Hillary finally edges out Bernie in that stupid poll, may THAT be the day that Her Highness gets indicted by the FBI. Poetic justice and all that ...
"Long term: first the rich get mean, then the poor get mean, and the rest is history." My brother Rob.
I want to see
the straw poll that gives the result Clinton 100% Sanders 0% (or as close as possible) as that will mean that TOP is on its last legs. That place is a net negative for the progressive movement and is therefore the enemy.
That site has two functions:
a)Support the DNC side of the establishment coin
b)to suck all the oxygen out of any opposition to a)
Anyone looking into progressivism will be sucked into that site's funnel and will likely come away either disillusioned or sheepified. We need to think of ways to stop that happening and this place is a very good start.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
"Yay, Hillary wins!!"
Except this Country and the World don't really win if Hillary wins.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Aaaaaaaaand..., Bernie still won!
When I first saw the poll, HRC was ahead, and I wondered if Hillbots had freeped the poll or if the many brainwashing Hill diaries had worked. When I went back to look last night, Bernie was ahead - in spite of the fact that many Sanders supporters have left the site willingly out of disgust at the enforced censorship, or been banned.
That tells me people are not believing the meme "I like Bernie but he can't win!" (Who the fuck came up with that idiocy in the first place? Why did anyone ever believe that nonsense since no reason "he couldn't win" was ever stated, just the vague comment.) They have figured out the only way Bernie can't win is if people don't vote for him! Duh!
I'm a 'Bernie or Bust' person, so I'm voting for Bernie one way or another, either because he's on the ballot or I'm writing in his name.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
When the media ask Bernie how he'll POSSIBLY pull off a win
his response is always 'by getting the most votes.'
I love him.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I voted late on
Didn't see it: didn't vote
There is likely a lot more support for Bernie that is showing up!
When I saw it the other day Hillary was ahead and Moulie was
almost orgasmic. What a tool.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Aughhhh! The egregious double post. SORRY. And I don't know how
to delete this one.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Used to be 60% Bernie
The DKos straw poll used to be consistently 60% for Bernie, but now 52%. Apparently most of the Bernie supporters didn't take the hint and bail out a month ago like I did. And "delegate math" can't convince us to support an unacceptable neoliberall/neocon.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
I go Rec PWB, C&J, BNR posts
Sometimes I scroll through the titles of the posts, rarely open them if I know the author is a Bernie supporter. If they're a known Hillary supporter I don't open them at all. (Well, I have high blood pressure; why risk stroking out or getting a heart attack out of anger for frustration because I can't deal with that much willful stupidity?)
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
For those who miss Pootie diaries
There's this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1737943986442117/?em=1
Cat Pictures for Bernie Sanders
(RIP Tricia)
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Lol!
Even with the exodus, Hillary still loses.
Flagging away
Hahaha! I love that Bernie still won despite ALL the efforts DK has put into bolstering his Establishment candidate.
I've been there since 2004. Never flagged anyone. Was never flagged,, till...
I've been flagged now about 3 times in the past month.
If they were so confident, you'd think they wouldn't be so thin-skinned.
Look at my latest comment worthy of three flags:
HIDDEN COMMENT
roonie AnnetteK Apr 12 · 07:39:15 PM
Are you going to tell me that strokes do not affect cognitive function? Open a medical textbook. www.google.com/...
Sheesh… talk about non-reality based. Yes it was said tongue in cheek, but is certainly is possible.
It's called censorship
Doesn't matter how many different people are censoring, but if you try to talk about the serious problems with the establishment you will probably be censored in one way or another.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Dear Leader
That is what these folks are trending toward. It gives you a sense of what will happen if she gets more power.
Her deadpan "took you long enough" sounded serious. And only after he "endorsed" did a major negative ad campaign against him stop. funny how that works.
Hillbots make "great" arguments for their candidate
Bernie can't win because of something that hasn't happened, that nobody can actually see. He does better than Hills head-to-head against the Republicans but won't. There's your proof that Hills is better! Everybody hates her because they've always hated her for years. That's why she's better!
I was reading a souffle article "over there" about why Hills is so inspiring. Apparently because she's wonderful. And inspiring. And the diarist doesn't know that the "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" aren't the actual number since it includes unsanctioned primaries where Her Ladyship was the only candidate to NOT take her name off the ballot.
In any case, I looked at that post pretty carefully and found nothing, a whole lot of nothing. Some Republicans liked Carly Fiorina because of her resume and they didn't want to look too closely at her record. They just liked that she ran a company. Hillary lovers are like that. "Oooh, she was First Lady and is a tough cookie!" You know the people who say "wouldn't it be great if Michelle ran?"? What the heck? I guess those people have never grasped the concept of critical thinking. "Some ask why....." and some don't understand the idea of even asking.
This is good news! At the time I voted in that poll, Hill was
winning. The ultimate results must be causing some head bashing in the Kos suite.
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Interesting
When I voted, Hillary was ahead 51-49. That was about midday yesterday. The Diktat of March 15 has driven away Bernie supporters-- that's probably why he ran a straw poll, to find out the effect of the Diktat.
For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to everyone that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still.
John Maynard Keynes, 1930