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Standing Aside

Tried to write something analytical about what's happening to us. Can't.

All I've got is this:

I stand aside from all this toxic nonsense.

I will not instigate violent political conflict with any member of the 99% because of their vote, political affiliation, skin color, or country of origin. No matter how stupid, cruel, or destructive I think they're being. I'll consider embracing the philosophy of "by any means necessary" when a leader of the stature and integrity of Malcolm X suggests it to me. I sure as hell won't consider it in response to these motherfuckers--of both parties.

My allegiances are as follows:

I believe in life on this planet. I stand with those who want it to continue.

I believe in telling the truth, by which I mean, as Ursula LeGuin once put it, "Trying hard not to lie." Yes, truth is subjective. That does not mean that there is no such thing as falsehood, including deliberate lying with intent to harm. I stand with those who tell the truth, even when it's hard. I stand with those who oppose falsehood.

Beyond that, my only political loyalty is to the American people, because they are mine. *All* of them, with the exception of certain traitorous members of our elite class, who are clearly manipulating both "sides" of the political "debate" with the aim of setting Americans at each others' throats along partisan and racial lines, and thus ripping the country apart. They love America like I love a good steak. They've got their teeth in us. I can't stop them, but I'm sure as hell not going to play along.

I don't have the heart to go on Twitter and find it, but someone posted there today that several intelligence and natsec operatives said, back in 2016, that the 2020 election would be the election that caused Americans to finally lose all faith in their system. In other words, they are using electoral politics to try to break the American people, by forcing us to make a choice between two monstrosities. Then there's Barack Obama's statement that, if we elect Biden and Harris, we won't have to think about them--or, presumably, the politics they're doing. That's the carrot he's offering: you won't have to think about politics. The carrot reveals exactly what this politics is for: to put the American people to sleep. That's what he's idealizing as a desirable goal. But his statement reveals something else about the current political situation. It amounts to this:

Elect Biden and Harris, and we'll decrease the pain to an amount you can ignore.

Or, in other words, Say uncle.

This is the language of torturers and bullies. It is an opioid politics. The only thing I can do to maintain my allegiances and ethics is to stand aside. It's also the only thing that makes any sense.

Standing aside means that I will not instigate violent conflict with any member of the 99%. I will not retaliate, either, except in immediate self-defense. I will neither start, nor pursue, any verbal political argument with anyone invested in the current partisan electoral system. At best, they are tapping out to make the pain stop, which means they are in no condition for rational argument. At worst, they are genuinely and mistakenly loyal to the worst bunch of treacherous liars I've ever heard tell of.

I'm glad you all are here with me. I'd like, in the days to come, to talk more seriously with you all about providing some kind of backup plan for staying in contact in case things get hairy. I'd hate to lose touch.

Many thanks to JtC for his unselfish work in providing a lifeboat for us.

In 2012, those of us who founded the site had no idea how important that would be. Small as we are, imperfect as we are, this place and the people who post here are a real blessing in my life.

Blessed be to all of you. Stay safe. The politicians involved in this electoral fight--if it is one--aren't worth a single one of your fingernails.

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Creosote.'s picture

and I join you in this:
"talk more seriously with you all about providing some kind of backup plan for staying in contact
in case things get hairy. I'd hate to lose touch."
It's important

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I will not instigate violent political conflict with any member of the 99% because of their vote, political affiliation, skin color, or country of origin. No matter how stupid, cruel, or destructive I think they're being.

at least you understand who is who and stands for what.
It is awful to be a dummy among those who participate here on C99p and I start to hate it. Now I think about how cruel, destructive and stupid I am.

But I adapt, I do not care anymore. Unfortunately.

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@mimi
Don't. Please.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness
I care a lot, too much, because I have my blood invested over there and 60 percent of my lifetime. How could I not care? I just vented kabuki hot air of frustration with my 'I don't care any more'. My son has 'wasted' his life the last two decades and I leave my comment at this point with a 'no comment'. I am sure you understand.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@mimi

I'm thinking of members of the 99% who think it's a good and justifiable thing for police officers to murder other members of the 99%, because they have a different skin color.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
what can I say? WTF?

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@mimi

Not here on the site, anyway. Here in my country, yes.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

I'm thinking of members of the 99% who think it's a good and justifiable thing for police officers to murder other members of the 99%, because they have a different skin color.
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...is it who you believe thinks that?

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@Blue Republic she was referring to the 99% of Americans, not anybody here at C99. That's how I interpreted it.

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This shit is bananas.

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@Daenerys

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Daenerys

What I thought I was asking is who among the 99% of Americans
does the OP (quoting from his(?) reply to Mimi) actually think believes that

it's a good and justifiable thing for police officers to murder other members of the 99%, because they have a different skin color.

I'd still like to know what the OP means by that. Who/where/how many are the people who believe such a thing?

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@Blue Republic

because they assume that the policeman is automatically right.

As one rather dear young fellow, who I like very much, put it, "If you don't want a police officer to shoot you, do what you're told."

It's really easy to believe that cops who kill black people are always in the right if you believe that authority figures--particularly cops, soldiers, and select right-wing politicians--are always in the right.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Blue Republic

When you meet people who believe that--and will tell you so--they are usually white, working-class, Republicans who are often from rural places, particularly in the Midwest and South. That does not mean that being white, working class, Republican, rural, Midwestern, or Southern makes you believe these things. It simply means that when I meet people who believe these things, they usually fall into these demographic categories.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

located at the bottom of the sidebar? Have about 30 souls there now.
Keeping it secure, just in case.
cheers

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@QMS

And thank you for keeping it safe. More on this later!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Lookout's picture

My line has been -
"Don't let the election bother you. Take comfort in the fact that regardless of who wins we will still have the same corporate overlords."

I echo your appreciation for JtC and c99 and am in total agreement..

Small as we are, imperfect as we are, this place and the people who post here are a real blessing in my life.

Another possible hurricane heading toward the gulf. If that proves to be the case it will be the 6th one to impact my corner of AL. this season. Whatta year 2020 has proven to be.

Keep good heart. Treasure every day!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout
My daughter's power was just restored at 6:00PM yesterday.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

Not sure where (or if) it's possible to draw a distinct line between arguing and rational discussion. Not quite sure what you mean by "invested in" here:

The only thing I can do to maintain my allegiances and ethics is to stand aside. It's also the only thing that makes any sense.

Standing aside means that I will not instigate violent conflict with any member of the 99%. I will not retaliate, either, except in immediate self-defense. I will neither start, nor pursue, any verbal political argument with anyone invested in the current partisan electoral system. At best, they are tapping out to make the pain stop, which means they are in no condition for rational argument. At worst, they are genuinely and mistakenly loyal to the worst bunch of treacherous liars I've ever heard tell of.

I mean, "the current partisan electoral system" is a significant feature of the societal landscape. And while in important respects it serves to distract from fundamental problems and to create division exploited by the elite to further their control... I can't see where 'stepping aside' leads to any better alternative.

Absent some alternative commitment to engage with others attempt to cooperate in reclaiming some of those badly abused fundamental freedoms, does 'stepping aside' not amount to capitulation to the controllers? Isn't refusal to at least attempt constructive engagement with people of differing views a destructive form of 'othering'?

I can think of a number of politicians, D & R that I believe are sincerely dedicated to preserving what used to be regarded as bedrock principles, like free speech, equality before the law, due process, right to self defense, limited and accountable government... Things that, like air, you don't go around thinking about all the time yet turn out to be critical if there isn't any there.

In the current situation at least some Republicans appear to be willing to try and take on big tech and the deep state and resist being ruled by unaccountable globalist technocrats, Democrats willing to do so seem to be mighty thin on the ground.

Do as you like, of course, but personally I don't feel like handing the controllers a win by default.

Going to go with Tucker on this one:

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@Blue Republic is one of the "media elites" that is a part of the great divide, and helps make that divide even greater. At 2:04 in the video he say's

"When was the last time a political speech drew that many people?"

Gee, I don't know Tucker, maybe almost every Bernie Sanders's speech since 2015 when he declared his run for president? I mean god damn, where the fuck was Tucker when journalists were criticizing Bernie for having too large a crowds? too large of crowds, got it!
[video:https://youtu.be/SJkIUMoA-Vs]

Then there's this from Democracy now, where Bernie had the largest campaign rally in 2019 (at least up to that point) Which was just a few days longer than only 1 year ago. OMFG~!
[video:https://youtu.be/gT46JOdM5eA]

Gee, Tucker, why the fuck did tens of thousands show up for Bernie? Ya know that god damn bleeding-heart-liberal-pinko-commie-bastard? Why would they do that Tucker?

Twice he was sabotaged by the "media elite", who work for the ruling elite and acted on their orders to kill Bernie's campaign. Unfortunately, Bernie didn't have the spine to stand up to them and run 3rd party, and he's settling for incremental change rather than lead political revolution.

Gee, we're going to push Biden left. What a fucking joke!

None of these "media elites" are honest brokers of good information, it's all propaganda.

As far as standing aside, well, I haven't kept my powder dry for nothing...

[video:https://youtu.be/dKnjxT5HRJQ]

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

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...and torturers and bullies, if they cannot otherwise be held accountable, need to die.

There is no excuse to stand for this any longer. It is called "justifiable homicide". The law should neither protect nor avenge those it will not prosecute.
By this point, I would be proud and eager to contribute however I could to an intelligently-executed 21st-Century Gunpowder Plot.

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In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.

Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!

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The time is coming for all to come together - to close our divides. This will not come easily but it will come. We must be diligent in speaking our truth and not being complicit in the divide. We must be diligent in our love for one another, our love for ALL THINGS. Without love, we will remain divided.

Enjoy the day! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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All I can think of looking at the news this morning is the old story of the pet food company.

Once upon a time a pet food company created a new variety of dog food, and rolled out a massive marketing campaign to introduce the product. Despite hiring a first-rate advertising agency, initial sales were very disappointing. The agency was fired and a new agency and a new campaign was launched. Sales continued to disappoint. If anything, they fell even further. In desperation, the CEO called in all of the top executives for a brainstorming session to analyze what had gone wrong with the two campaigns and how a new campaign might revive sales.

The meeting went on for hours. Sophisticated statistical analysis was brought to bear on the problem. One VP argued that the mix of TV and print ads had been messed up. Another argued that the previous campaigns had been too subtle and had failed to feature the product with sufficient prominence. Another argued that the TV ad campaign had focused too much on spots during sporting events and not enough on regular programming with a broader demographic. Another argued the opposite: not enough sports programming had been targeted.

After the debate had raged for hours, the CEO felt they had accomplished very little. He asked if anyone else had any theories that might explain the failure of the new product. Finally, one newly hired employee raised his hand and was recognized.

"Maybe the dogs just don’t like it.", he said.

And the beat goes on. I'm right with you with the thoughts about this place, and a strict policy of strategic disengagement in meatspace. Meanwhile, we're making sourdough blueberry muffins.

Be well- and keep your heads low, everyone.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

Actually lost to kind hearted nutjob Willie Wilson who was simultaneously running for President and Senator. Lost both.

At least (last night) Durbin's margin of victory was low. Either that or the Republican votes came in early. Or Chicago magically manufactured some mail in ballots.

We need internet voting software like corporations use for shareholder voting. Changeable up to the last day. Open source with strong open source encryption algorithms and monitored by all watchers from all balloted parties. NO CLOSED SOURCE like Sequoia and Diebold machines use. Use your PC just like corporate elections. Bloch-chain technology may be of use here. And definitely ranked choice voting.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

38,437 folks voted for Stein in 2016 (1.37%). Looks like about 7,500 will have voted for Hawkins this time out when the counting is done. In a year where people were looking for *any* alternative, that is massively disappointing: it shows that the incessant sheepdogging and "lesser-evil" tub thumping took its toll.

The SoS office isn't even showing how many folks wrote in Bruce Lohmiller, the Green candidate for Senator (since the Greens didn't get their stuff together to actually get him on the ballot). At this point, I'll be a beer that he doesn't clear 500 votes, if they ever release the numbers. The Greens have some work to do, for sure.

On edit: looks like Kanye West is going to end up at about 6,500 votes. The Greens have got a *lot* of work to do.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

@The Voice In the Wilderness Super depressing. Obviously I know he didn't have a chance, but I was hoping the percentage would at least go up from last year.

And know how I know the Dems don't really care about voter suppression? Because they sued to kick the Greens off the ballot in places.

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

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@Dr. John Carpenter

what a low blow! but never forget that noam chomsky and friends canceled howie and angela in january. their confounded 'open letter' was published damned near everywhere.

and as with AOC, when Lord Chomsky Speaks...people stop to listen. time to retire, noam.

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But margins are razor thin in Wisconsin and Michigan. Trump needs both. It depends on where the uncounted votes are. The Cities are Blue, the rural areas are Red. Suburbs Purple.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness but the most plausible path for a Biden win is to carry Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada. It looks to me as though Michigan and Wisconsin are very likely Biden wins. I am not so sure about Nevada, but Biden is ahead at the moment. My guess is that Trump will carry Pennsylvania, but a mass of mail in votes remain to be counted.

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@Roy Blakeley

Election experts and other critics of voter suppression responded with alarm Tuesday after the United States Postal Service failed to meet a court-ordered afternoon deadline to conduct sweeps at mail processing facilities to "ensure that no ballots have been held up and that any identified ballots are immediately sent out for delivery."

Earlier Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan of the District of Columbia had ordered the sweeps between 12:30 pm and 3:00 pm ET, and set a 4:30 pm ET deadline for facilities to file a status update. John Kruzel, a reporter at The Hill, tweeted Tuesday afternoon that the USPS failed to comply, in spite of saying this week that about 300,000 ballots had entered the mail sorting system but lacked a delivery scan

How long has it been since we found out DeJoy was f'cking with the post office and why hasn't he been held in contempt yet? Why have dems allowed Trump to appoint acting leaders because he couldn't get them appointed through congressional votes? Why would either party let this stand for so long unless they really don't care that congress does not represent the will of the voters and haven't for 4 plus decades?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@Roy Blakeley
They were 0.2% apart in wisconsin with Trump leading. I don't call that "Likely Biden" I call that "Dead Heat".

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Excruciating re-counts and court battles territory. Big surprise there, eh? Well not for anyone who didn't have their heads up their asses.

United States of uncertainty as court row looms
Donald Trump says he will go to the US Supreme Court to ensure that he is the winner of an epic knife-edge struggle for the presidency.

I wonder if Steve Schmidt and Jeff Weaver are sitting around a toasty fire after setting millions of dollars ablaze by spending their time recruiting GOP Biden voters through their Lincoln Project. I know it sure ain’t warming the bones of the Blue Wave people right about now.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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I killed off a bottle of a really nice Cab with my neighbor last night who I discovered is a libertarian hoping Trump wins. Made for an interesting evening of discussion while watching Fox News coverage. The wine and the weed helped.

What did you all do election night?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz

went to bed at about 9pm, listened to some music and read actual paper books for half an hour or so, and then just rolled over and went to sleep. Didn't even turn on the TV or look at news on our ubiquitous devices.

There was no reason to pay attention, given that the rules are made up and the points don't matter. I'm glad that we saved our mental energy up for more productive uses, like separating the seed pods from the cilantro...

On edit: On the other hand, we were surprised and pleased that we were awakened by the alarm clock and not gunfire, so there's that.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

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@usefewersyllables

Where that could’ve been an issue? I’m sorry to hear that. Was speaking with some other C99 members last night and they live in Texas where they remarked that if Trump lost, they were planning on staying inside their houses as their neighbors are all well armed.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@usefewersyllables

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

mimi's picture

between coverage at
Democracy Now
Al Jazeera
ARD German TV#
ZDF German TV
Euronews
Deutsche Welle
and France 24.

Now I have had enough. Smile

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@Anja Geitz ...I slept fitfully, kept up with various websites, played computer games, all while enduring the relentless torture of intrusive-thoughts-turned-cranium-occupying-regime.

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Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!

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@Anja Geitz

Arizona passed Prop. 207 to legalize recreational use of cannabis, finally! It passed by a large margin and was called very early so I had that to be happy about regardless of anything else.

I was also pleased to see Martha McSally get her ass handed to her, again. Not that I love Mark Kelly or think that having him in the senate will make a big difference, but I truly loathe McSally. She is a dedicated trump butt-kisser and Gov Ducey appointed her to that seat after she lost the senate race with Sinema, which was just insulting to all Arizona voters. So I was glad to see her go down.

But for me, AZ legalizing weed means that I have now lived to see two things that I never imagined I would see in my life-time: same-sex marriage, and the legal use of a very nice plant that grows out of the ground and should never have been illegal to begin with. Yay progress. As my friend texted me last night, "even if we get stuck with 4 more years of Trump, at least we can get high." rAmen.

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https://www.huffpost.com/elections

The Rising duo hit the point on this election: Pathetic! I agree. That neither ran on offering us an outlet from this hell hole, but people went all in on them anyway is why we are where we are. When neither party holds their leaders accountable for continually moving the country right then it is no wonder the county keeps moving right as it will even more if Biden does wins, but then pulls an Obama and the working class falls further behind. If you haven't read this yet I recommend that you at least glance at it.

Krystal: "What did Biden say he'd do if he won? He would wear a mask."

Bam! Big middle finger to Washington indeed. And this election is still a mirror on Obama/democrat's actions. If COVID hadn't hit would Trump have won in a landslide? How pathetic that Biden couldn't beat Trump with his record. But then that was why Trump had a snowballs chance in hell to beat Hillary in the 1st place. IMO.

Yeppers thank gawd for c99! Thanks everyone who built this place for us!

Saagar just said this in the Latino voters video: "It is never the fault of the voters."

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@snoopydawg

Putin in the republican made voting machines!

Yep that is why Biden lost. Putin put extra work into this election because Trump is not done handing the country to him. Err.... guess that was how Mitch and Lindsay won their elections. Heavy sigh...I am not ready for another 4 years of Russia Russia Russ.....Or will it be China China/Iran Iran?

Saw this comment on HuffPo this morning:

Democrat's biggest win in our lifetime (2008) was the only time in decades that our Presidential candidate didn't run as a moderate.

Which is just one more reason Trump was able to beat Her.

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@snoopydawg

Loved the Saagar bit where he brought up Zapata County, Tejas - in the lower Rio Grande valley, on the border with Mexico, dirt poor, 90% Hispanic..going to Trump 52.5 to 47%.

Of course, since such an outcome is clearly inconceivable according the the prevailing Democratic world view it will, like Trafalgar and Rasmussen polling, be treated as if it doesn't exist...

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I wholeheartedly agree and wish respectfully to add that I also stand with those, whomever they are who, are doing good work, itself a kind of integrity. I buy my seeds from small independent seed companies, garden tools from The Red Pig and Rogue Hoes, and flour for baking from employee-owned King Arthur Flour--money where my mouth is.

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Mary Bennett

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'standing aside' had caused me to consider what i understand is a maxim of tai chi: to yield in response to one's aggressor's energy, weight (and perhaps emotions), with balance, harmony and seeming effortlessness. the aggressor is said to have lost...at the outset, again, as i understand it.

i like your leGuin quote "Trying hard not to lie.", and not only is truth subjective, but i'd add that my belief is the worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves. or as carl jung named it: failing to look inward at our shadow selves'.

i suppose many use various meditation techniques to peer into their darker realms, but a i'm crap at meditation, but am an active dreamer, so i use jungian dream analysis to discover and yes, even gasp at, some of my still-unhealed toxic issues.

[a side note: 3 dozen enormous turkeys just wandered into what we fondly call 'our yard'. mainly Toms, with iridescent blue-green side feathers, enormous tail feathers of various colors and patterns. they're pecking thru the fallen leaves and grasses on the ground...simply a sublime show what with the occasional one ruffling his feathers...although their vocalizations aren't all that musical, lol.]

as to this:

I'll consider embracing the philosophy of "by any means necessary" when a leader of the stature and integrity of Malcolm X suggests it to me.

two things spring to mind: i) what do you mean by 'any means necessary'?, and ii) is it necessary and/or practical to wait for such a leader?

also, in some sort of (cosmic?) synchronicity, today's popular resistance newsletter featured 'Deception 2020: The Struggle Is The Same, By Eleanor Goldfield, Art Killing Apathy. November 3, 2020, Resistance Report

In this eighth and final installment of the Deception 2020 Series, we uplift the solidarity of the shaken – acknowledging how shitty things feel right now while highlighting the power and hope that rests in our actions far outside the confines of a voting booth. Jacquie Luqman, co-host of By Any Means Necessary joins us to share her fears, her hope and the long list of ways in which, regardless of who wins, our struggle remains the same.

Vimeo, about 16 minutes; hope this works.
https://vimeo.com/473614685

at least during Occupy days, i loved discussing the state of the nation's body politic with those who stopped by to...argue. without honking on about it, it seemed like allowing them to vent, then speaking softly to get under their defenses...caused many of our detractors to walk away...nodding their heads as though having had some small epiphany or other.

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@wendy davis @wendy davis

However, when Malcolm X said this, he had a point:

That’s our motto. We want freedom by any means necessary. We want justice by any means necessary. We want equality by any means necessary. We don’t feel that in 1964, living in a country that is supposedly based upon freedom, and supposedly the leader of the free world, we don’t think that we should have to sit around and wait for some segregationist congressmen and senators and a President from Texas in Washington, D. C., to make up their minds that our people are due now some degree of civil rights. No, we want it now or we don’t think anybody should have it.

He meant, among other things, that he wasn't going to be a pacifist while the pigs murdered black men and women with impunity.

I see his point, and I'm not a pacifist. I don't know what I would have chosen to do back then. But here's one thing I can say for Malcolm X he genuinely gave a shit about the conditions of life for black people, especially here in this country. He genuinely wanted justice, full citizenship, and a better life for those people. I don't see that honesty or desire for justice in any of the leaders of either political party now. Bernie comes the closest, but you can see what they've done to him. The only place he'll lead us is back to the feet of people like Biden.

I'd follow none of those people into a revolutionary struggle. And I sure as hell won't commit violence at their behest, or because they and their friends in the "press" have decided that uncooperative voters are the problem.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

the following bolds had prompted my Qs:

I will not instigate violent political conflict with any member of the 99% because of their vote, political affiliation, skin color, or country of origin. No matter how stupid, cruel, or destructive I think they're being. I'll consider embracing the philosophy of "by any means necessary" when a leader of the stature and integrity of Malcolm X suggests it to me. I sure as hell won't consider it in response to these motherfuckers--of both parties.

i wasn't able to separate the first bolded from even engaging in political arguments, etc. you'd also mentioned. now i'm a fan of Malcolm X, including the fact that he was a different sort of being pre- and -post Haj. my media files at the café are full of his quotes, and i'd admired his have indicted MLK, jr.'s 'Farce on Washington' (thru no direct fault of MLK). history barely records that they met and shook hands post-Haj.

do you reckon he'd have attended this march on DeeCee? i do, and would that i had the wherewithal to attend. as i'd also asked: is it necessary to wait for a leader to prompt us?

November 7-8: The Black Is Back Coalition calls on all to march, rally and convene in Washington, D.C., during the “Black People’s March On White House.”

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and so have been glacially slow today. Sorry for not having got here sooner, and thanks to all of you who are commenting here. I'll be back to check in later. Off to a telehealth appt!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

I couldn't keep my eyes open after the wine guzzling I did last night.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz

I was intent on not feeling. Smile

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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It might end up 50/50 with Kamala being the tie breaking vote in the senate if it comes to that, but with McConnell still being head honcho of it we can look forward to 4 years of stalemates even IF Biden/dems did want to pass good bills. Meanwhile Mitch will continue to appoint Federalist society judges to the federal courts with help from just enough dems to get the deed done. Schumer backed McGrath over Booker and she had a $100 million war chest, but lost to Mitch big time. She went after him for not standing with Trump enough which she promised she would do if she won. Gee...if you're a democrat running against a republican with republican ideas then why should people take the risk of overthrowing the powerful Mitch? Run as republican on the GOP ticket not the dem one. How hard is that?

This is Karma...

To cap it all off, Democratic Congressional Committee Chair Cheri Bustos, who, before polls closed on Tuesday, said, “We’re well positioned to have a good night,” is trailing in her own reelection.

Donna Shalala lost her seat in Florida which did not flip blue. Nor did Texas. Arizona did.

Democratic Party's hopes of wresting control of the U.S. Senate from the GOP had dwindled dramatically by Wednesday morning, potentially imperiling the hopes of ambitious progressive legislation should Joe Biden ultimately win the White House.

In other words the republicans will continue doing whatever they want while democrats tear at their hair and tell us that we let them down by not throwing Mitch out. Yeah blame the voters for your failure. Typical. Hey who blamed Bernie for this? Bueller?

Dig in your feet centrists cuz it's now time to push Biden left. 1,2,3, push. PUSH!

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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@snoopydawg

any more dangerous than a Biden White House and a Democratic Senate, or a Trump White House and a Republican Senate, or a Trump White House and a Democratic Senate?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Friend of mine ran for school board and won, so there's that.

Also good: Collin Peterson (DINO) lost his House seat, at long last. The bad news is Michelle Fishbach (R) won. I didn't like any of the choices for that one so I abstained.

Still voted for Howie. People will still insist on blaming Green voters, but my vote wouldn't have helped Texas or Florida anyway, so they can all pound sand.

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This shit is bananas.

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@Daenerys

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Trump margin in Kenosha, Co. Wisconsin up by 1000% from 2016.

Well, that's only from 250 to 2500+, but still...

Remember how either the post-George Floyd demonstration/riots were either not
going to be an issue in the election or were going to be a negative for Trump?

Maybe not so much - in WI, anyway.

Two longtime legislators — State Sen. state , D-Kenosha, and Rep. Samantha Kerkman, R-Salem Lakes — both ran unopposed in the election. And while they come from separate sides of the aisle, they both had similar takes on the county results.

“My urban district went for Biden, I think it’s important to point that out. And my two Kenosha County representatives were both re-elected,” Wirch said.

But he said Trump’s visits to Kenosha and the unrest and rioting in the city following the shooting of Jacob Blake by a Kenosha Police officer both had an impact.

“I think the presidential visits were a factor in that vote increase,” Wirch said. “And also the violence we had in the City of Kenosha. I think both of those factors probably helped in the Republican vote.”

Kerkman said separately that she believed that both Trump’s two visits to Kenosha during the campaign and residents’ fear over rioting in the city were major factors in Trump’s win in the county.

“I think the civil unrest, public safety was a large part of it,” Kerkman said, saying the issue came up often when she was talking to her constituents.

She said voters were also motivated by Trump’s rallies here, including making Kenosha one of his last stops of the campaign on Monday.

“The president came,” Kerkman. “He showed he cared, that was a huge part of it. Our area was in crisis and he came.”

While Trump’s rallies were well attended, he was also criticized for holding large public events while Wisconsin was having one of the worst COVID-19 outbreaks in the United States.

Biden also visited the city, but as he had throughout the campaign, he avoided holding large group rallies because of the COVID-19 pandemic, meeting instead with a small group of people in a listening session at an Uptown church.

Kenoshanews.com

Seems that showing up matters.

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@Blue Republic

Did the parties make deals so they can run people unopposed? Yeah it's the cynic in me that asks this questions because you see races like this all over the country at the local and federal levels. Why if either party wants to bee the majority would they let anyone run unopposed? Washington Generals/Harlem Globetrotter elections? Cue Lily Tomlin.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.