Open Thread - Wednesday December 30, 2015 - Police Killings
The year 2015 is nearly over and what have I learned during the past year? I learned that it was a difficult year for family issues. But beyond that, I learned that the more things change, the more they stay the same. I am in the twilight of my years and I am still searching for answers as to why we human beings are so inhumane to other humans.
Here in the United States, those who ostensibly have been hired to "serve and protect us" are doing exactly the opposite for a significant segment of our citizens. And it seems to be getting worse. I have written about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But being a privileged white person, I have failed to recognized that there is a real war, complete with dead bodies, going on here in our own country. Police are assassinating people at alarming rates and while overall crime has been going down, the rate of murder by cop is rising. This year, nearly 1,200 people have died at the hands of police officers, most of them shot to death
Monday's Democracy Now! had a segment on the mapping of police killings of citizens which was extremely interesting. Amy Goodman interviewed Sam Sinyangwe of Campaign Zero who was excellent in laying out the problems and issues involved in police killings.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHd8NEp7lw&index=10&list=PL50BDB9BCCFAF...
We are hearing calls for police reform and better police training, but that may not be the answer to stopping the escalating rate of police killings. Ta-Nehisi Coates writes in The Atlantic that the problem is deeper than just police reform. The deeper problem is the mindset that has taken over the American psyche.
There is a tendency, when examining police shootings, to focus on tactics at the expense of strategy. One interrogates the actions of the officer in the moment trying to discern their mind-state. We ask ourselves, "Were they justified in shooting?" But, in this time of heightened concern around the policing, a more essential question might be, "Were we justified in sending them?" At some point, Americans decided that the best answer to every social ill lay in the power of the criminal-justice system. Vexing social problems—homelessness, drug use, the inability to support one's children, mental illness—are presently solved by sending in men and women who specialize in inspiring fear and ensuring compliance. Fear and compliance have their place, but it can't be every place.
While blacks make up about 12% of the total population in the United States, they are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than whites. When the age group of 15 to 19 year old black males is segregated in the statistics, the chance of them being killed by police skyrockets to 21 times more likely to be killed by police than white males of the same age. No wonder Black Lives Matter is outraged. Every American should be outraged at these statistics.
A fairer analysis, at ProPublica, found that black males aged 15 to 19 were 21 times more likely to be killed by police than white males in that age group. And The Washington Post reports that unarmed black men were seven times more likely to be killed by police this year than unarmed white men.
The 2014 Pro Publica analysis was based upon police shootings reported by the police departments themselves to the FBI. Since there is no legal requirement for police departments to report this data, it is terribly incomplete. Still, the racial divide is startling even with this incomplete data.
The finding that young black men are 21 times as likely as their white peers to be killed by police is drawn from reports filed for the years 2010 to 2012, the three most recent years for which FBI numbers are available.
The black boys killed can be disturbingly young. There were 41 teens 14 years or younger reported killed by police from 1980 to 2012. 27 of them were black; 8 were white; 4 were Hispanic; and 1 was Asian.
That's not to say officers weren't killing white people. Indeed, some 44 percent of all those killed by police across the 33 years were white.
Many of these shootings were for relatively minor transgressions such as traffic stops. What was shocking to me is how little value the police put on a human life and how brutally they react to the person with whom they are interacting. In many cases, the police act as judge, jury, and executioner.
There were 151 instances in which police noted that teens they had shot dead had been fleeing or resisting arrest at the time of the encounter. 67 percent of those killed in such circumstances were black. That disparity was even starker in the last couple of years: of the 15 teens shot fleeing arrest from 2010 to 2012, 14 were black.
Monday's non-indictment of the two police officers involved in the shooting of 12 year old Tamir Rice was shocking to me, but not to members of the black community who have seen this far too often. The video of the shooting showed that the minute the first officer jumped out of the squad car, he shot the boy. The killing of Tamir Rice occurred less than two seconds after the police car drove up. The video is both disturbing and damning.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCftESyKyU]
By choosing not to indict Loehmann and Garmback, the grand jury "put an exclamation point on the statement that black lives don’t matter," Kirsten West Savali wrote at The Root on Monday. "That black children do not matter. That being young, black and free is a crime punishable immediately by death."
Over and over we hear police reporting that they were in fear for their lives so they shot the person. Jamelle Bouie at the Slate Magazine writes that officers must be willing to assume some risk with their jobs. (my bolding for emphasis)
Strip away the rhetoric, and McGinty has made a clear statement about police conduct: If police perceive a threat to their lives then they’ve de facto justified their actions regardless of context, even if it ends with taking the life of a child. That includes situations like the Rice shooting, where police chose to create a confrontation, rather than manage an encounter.
More broadly, police are empowered to take control of all situations by any means necessary, even those that aren’t criminal. They have no obligation to survey a situation to seek the least violent resolution. Taken together, these prerogatives—established time and again, by departments across the country—encourage police to use lethal force as the first resort.
Continuing, Bouie writes:
What we see with Tamir Rice—and what we’ve seen in shootings across the country—is what happens when the officer’s safety supercedes the obligation to accept risk. If “going home” is what matters—and risk is unacceptable—then the instant use of lethal force makes sense. It’s the only thing that guarantees complete safety from harm.
It’s also antithetical to the call to “serve and protect.” But it’s the new norm. And worse for any accountability, it sits flush with our broad sympathy with police in the courts of law and public opinion.
Comments
this is
an excellent piece. But I'm too asleep to say anything intelligent or even intelligible about it.
Also, I am stupefied by this photo of Vladimir Putin riding Kim Jong-un in a jungle.
I will be back when my brain returns.
Thank you!
Coming from you, that is a real compliment.
As for Putin, I thought he was riding rockets in outer space.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
he
just likes to ride, does Putin. Horses, bears, sharks, rockets, presidents, kittens, carrots, crackers, elephants, astronauts, unicorns: if he can ride it, he will. That is why Randy Newman wrote this song about him:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zJp_XFJJU]
Try not to call them....
Call an EMT or the fire department and guess who shows up with them. Looks like a great article. Will definitely bookmark it to read later.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
As all the black women
who were in Sybil Brand (LA's jail for women) with my white privileged ass said 'Never call a cop. Use your feet if possible'. BTW 90% of these women did not belong in jail and that's being generous. Also this was in the 80's so I imagine it's even worse these lawless days. I'm way more afraid of a cop then a criminal. Cops are criminal's with a license to kill with impunity. I find it surreal that people think living in a creepy 'security state' in the guise of law and order and keeping you safe' is so accepted both domestically and globally. Irrational fear has become the norm. The fear has been turned upside down and directed at other humans instead of the evil fucks who own and run 'the place' and have turned their psychotic enforcers loose here in der Homeland and globally. There is no law, no justice in this post 9/11 surreal version of law and order.
and justice for all
Good Morning, gulfgal, haven't read too
carefully your OT diary, but it certainly quotes a lot of good statistics and sounds like a very good essay. Will read again later on. Just one unintelligent ad hoc comment.
I think two things seem to me the reason for the increase in police brutality and murder. First, the taser weapons, which they use uninhibited, and it seems their hand guns as well. I want the police officers disarmed. Military style assault weapons, sound canons and all that horrible stuff they use, should be forbidden, imo.
The other reason I see is that the courts never hold the police accountable for their murders. I don't know what happened to the justice system, but it looks they have decided that their police force is above the law.
It's very scary. I hope it will change.
https://www.euronews.com/live
A different perspective in Britain
This article gives a much different perspective on the arming of police. Until relatively recently, all police in the British Isles were unarmed. In fact, a survey of the police officers themselves showed that the overwhelming majority (82%) were opposed to being armed despite the fact that most had at one time or another felt in danger. In recent years, despite dropping crime rates, there has been a push to arm some officers and it has sent warning flags up.
Here is the key difference between armed officers and unarmed officers, much of which gets to the points that Ta-nehisi Coates and Jamelle Bouie both made in their articles.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
You hit the nail (at least one of the nails) on the head.
Within my lifetime, the courts have handed down multiple decisions that openly and affirmatively treat cops as different, as due exceptional deference, as exceptionally credible, truthful and expert. These rulings have completely undermined any possibllity of either the cops or a great many assertees getting anything remotely like a fair trial in this country.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Great OT, gg...
thank you.
Some statistics I'd like to see:
Total number and percentage of ex-military police officers across the country.
Total number of ex-military police officers that were involved in combat operations.
Total number of ex-military police officers involved in deadly shootings of civilians, and if involved in a deadly shooting, were they also involved in combat military operations prior to become a police officer.
Total number of ex-military police officers that have been diagnosed with PTSD from their prior military experience, if any.
I don't mean to imply that ex-military cannot make good police officers, as I'm sure they can and do, it's just that we don't hear much of this aspect from the MSM, unless I have missed it, and, gulfgal, if you did include these statistics in this fine OT then I apologize for missing them. I am curious as how widespread this is and if it's a factor in the upswing of police killings. There may not be a correlation between ex-miiltary and deadly police shootings, but then again there may be.
No I did not do any research
on that, but it is a very important topic which probably should be a diary unto itself. When I wrote this diary, I thought it might end up being first of a multi part series. I think another issue that needs to be addressed is something that Coates and Bouie touched upon along with the philosophy of unarmed policing. I think this country has been headed in the wrong direction when it comes to policing. The killing of citizens by police, particularly the slaughter of young black males, is symptomatic of our having the wrong philosophy towards policing in place.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Good questions...
but probably against the law to ask.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Yeah...
I know it's a pipe dream to think that those statistics would ever be accumulated let alone published. Don't you think though that all of those questions would be fair game legally except for the one about PTSD?
It's not easy to evaluate PTSD and its influence on
potential police officers' behavior, when they get hired after leaving the military service.
You may read through these two links for that, they are interesting as coming from different view points, imo. They are too long for me to excerpt, and I guess it takes you some time to read through them. In the second one there are several numbers and statitistics embedded in the text:
PTSD and police: Hiring and retaining war veterans in our ranks - Ensure that your PD doesn’t fall prey to sensationalist and politicized reporting on PTSD by anti-war media, which otherwise may influence hiring decisions in risk-averse departments
Coming Home to Roost: American Militarism, War Culture, and Police Brutality
I can't comment more at the moment, but I have to say that the second essay describes among others the effects of basic training and I very much agree with its analysis. I have some flashbacks, when I visited my son in Texas for his "graduation" from basic training (Air Force), and I was shocked how he felt he needed to behave himself. Robot-like, scared and manipulated.
But it didn't go too deep under his skin, luckily.
Aside from combat experiences, who result in PTSD-like conditions and flashbacks (like you had them in all previous wars of Vietnam and WWII) I think it is important to evaluate that there so many other mental and emotional imbalances and living conditions, that are not based in the military experience, but in personal ones, related to their family and personal life before and after their military service periods. It is hard to put PTSD in a clean cut category. Sometimes I had the feeling PTSD was talked up too much in the media and then used as arguments, where they shouldn't have been used. On the other hand, often PTSD was not understood or realized by persons surrounding the Veteran, as not enough people were close enough to the Veteran to "sense" it.
Because it was talked up in the press in many ways and many videos had been made about it, together with the increased numbers of suicides among the Veterans and there deplorable situations of not finding jobs and potentially being homeless, the general population became very aware of the "PTSD stricken Veteran". So much so that the Veterans then had difficulties to get hired because there was that perception that "oh, careful, this is a Veteran, he must have problems".
This pre-"judgment" then lead to more anger among Veterans, who, even if they felt as if they had symptoms of PTSD but coped with them and just had very light symptoms, got so pissed about the discrimination and judgments by the population, that they then clearly showed "anger management problems" because of that resulting follow-up side effect.
I had two incidences witnessed, which are contrarian to what people might expect. One was with my son flipping out (in a way that wouldn't have happened without him having PTSD) and me needing to call the police. I had to beg a police officer "not to pull his gun" as my son was not armed (and actually never would accept an arm in his possession as a civilian) and only harm to himself. The police officer was scared and had to be calmed and convinced that he didn't have to use his gun and that he should take off his hands from his gun. I was lucky that another experienced police officers knew very well how to calm down my son by talking to him. I will never forget that.
Another situation was that my son criticized a police officer for his bad "arms handling capabilities" and asked him, if he ever served in the military to make clear that with the correct military training in how and when to handle a weapon correclty, he would know to never use his weapon in the fashion the police officer was demonstrating. Well, the police officer got pissed, and wrote a hefty ticket which resulted in a court visit for my son. But he won the dispute and got away with a small fine.
I believe that there are other things than PTSD in play. General frustration of "poor working white men" and frustration of "poor working black men combined with lots of fears" in the police force. You shoot fast, when you are too scared or too frustrated, because you feel you have no power over anything in your life and can't cope with a person, you want to arrest and iwho is showing signs of disrespect to the police officer and signs of "not complying with the officer's orders". Those situations are the ones that end up in racist murders, imo, because the police officer can't handle "disrespect". I wonder how many of those white police officers have really PTSD. My hunch is not that many. They have other personality problems. I guess it's an awful difficult thing to know and have reliable statistics about.
BTW, the things I described concerning my son are 10 years back. He is doing fine. If you talk to a politician, I would ask them to help Veterans (with or without PTSD diagnosed) by offering them permanent full-time jobs that pay enough for them to start a living in their own four walls. Give them security they need and they will cope. Just my 2 cents.
https://www.euronews.com/live
A telling and damning indictment and yet only the tip of
the iceberg in many ways. In addition to the unjustified shootings (and other killings) there are the unjustified beatings, planting of evidence and otherwise framing people, perjury and lying, vindictiveness and more. Our jails and prisons are a disgrace. As ugly as the statistics are for black people, they are as bad or worse for Native Americans. Prosecurots won't prosecute or wilfully tank cases, and judges aid and abet in this criminal behavior and themselves bend over backwards to treat cops as in all respects persons to be deferred to, ensuring that justice and equal treatment for cops cannot exist in this country. Cops threaten people on and off the job and punish them, themselves, for failure to make obeisance, for failing to give immediate, unquestioning obedience to any and all demands, regardless of how irrational and/or illegal. The cops have become a class of ubermenschen, entitled even beyond the rich and merely changing their training and firing a few of the worst is not going to solve the problem.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
The bad part of the Ramadi news
ISIS being defeated was the good news.
Here's the bad news.
link
link
Iraq threatens Turkey with military action
Does this mean we must defend Turkey against Iraq?
throws hands up in the air and
shakes head.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Excellent OT, gulfgal
I think that much of the behavior of US cops can be explained by their training, in particular who is training them in what techniques, behaviors, and mind-set vis-a-vis the citizens they are policing.
Israeli training of US police forces is not something new. From a brief yet effusive 2013 report on how great it is that Israel is training US police:
If we really want to get at the root of what has gone wrong with US policing, I think looking into how and by whom they are trained would be a very good rabbit hole to borrow down into.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
Thanks for this suggestion, dr
I think it make another good diary in an entire series on policing in the US. I need to think about future topics and flesh them out. Also the order in which they are presented needs to be determined too. It looks like I might have my work cut out for me over the next couple of weeks.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
there are
more than 1.3 million federal, state, and local law-enforcement officers in the United States. That "at least 300 high-ranking U.S. sheriffs and police from all over the country, as well as FBI and US Customs and Border Protection agents, have traveled to Israel to learn first-hand the most efficient means of subduing populations," can not even begin to explain how these law jockeys happen to treat people in the US. Especially when one considers something like this, which is but one of literally thousands of examples that could be cited, of how US law-enforcement officials treated people—routinely, reflexively—before even existed the state of Israel.
Whether or not it can be quantified,
I believe as I research this more, that it is going to be a philosophical question as to the role of the police in our society. That is one reason I posted the link to the article on British policing system that has relied heavily upon unarmed police. Once the police become armed, then the relationship between the police and citizens starts to break down. It is going to be interesting what I find in researching this.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Much needed discussion--thanks for this OT! After
the Holidays, I'll try to find and repost at EB a couple of comments I made in 2014 regarding the renaming and sought-after reclassification of PTSD. (Thankfully, this has been a failed effort, except a minor change in the definition in the APA DSM.)
I would think it would be pretty hard to find useful hard statistics on police officers that some folks would like to see (relating to a diagnosis of PTSD). It's even possible that privacy laws make it difficult to obtain this information. But good luck trying to ferret it out.
Regarding PTSD as a cause for violence among the general population, most spree killers/shooters suffer from either major depressive disorders, or flat-out psychosis. (I'm not including in this category, shooters who have been classified as a terrorist, since I've never read any of the case studies for any of these individuals.)
Heard a interesting radio interview recently with a former Federal prosecutor (African American) who is very concerned about institutionalized racism, but who believes that the 'thin blue line' may be an even greater threat when it comes to police not being held accountable.
(Which may account for some black police officers covering for their white counterparts in some instances of policy brutality/murder.)
This prosecutor believes that until this mindset changes, not only will young black men continue to be slaughtered in the streets for no cause, but we will continue to see Grand Juries refuse to return true bills of indictment (regarding charges of police brutality/murder), even when they are presented with incontrovertible evidence.
Look forward to you making this a series.
Have a nice evening, Everyone!
Mollie
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