Open Thread WE 11 AUG 21 ~ memory hole


..the chief problem in historical honesty isn’t outright lying, but rather the omission or de-emphasis of important data.
Howard Zinn
The primary purpose of the memory hole is to dispose of all unwanted documents. Now, if you're a top-tier member of the ruling Inner Party and you want to keep the masses docile and oppressed without actually realizing they're oppressed, what's one thing you'll want to do?
Such spin-doctoring can take the form of state censorship or propaganda — even democracies with Freedom of Information Acts do their share of redacting with a black magic marker — but, by and large, unlike the totalitarian regime depicted in Orwell’s novel, citizens in democracies mostly shred things in their own memory hole and pick their own cherries.
our concern is self-censorship: how citizens across the political spectrum pick and choose which parts of history they want to remember (cherry-pick) and which to leave out (flush down the memory hole), clouding context in the process. More often than not, such selective memory is subconscious and attributed only to one’s adversaries.
During my graduate studies at university, I was treated to a couple of semesters under the banner of "Learning and Memory". Somewhat underwhelming in the mid 70's. Basically just clinical studies of which portions of the brain generated and returned certain stimuli. A lack of personal and societal factors were ignored completely. But I digress.
If I remember correctly ?, this is an open thread. So use it as a spring board to launch your ideas and whatever suits you.
In otherwise news ..
Elon Musk secured $855 million in FCC funding to start a canopy of 12,000 low orbit "communications" satellites
Astronomers are concerned with the potential effects of an eventual 50,000 pieces of space junk.
Credits
http://sites.austincc.edu/caddis/memory-hole-2/
http://sites.austincc.edu/caddis/rear-defogger/
https://study.com/academy/lesson/memory-hole-in-1984.html


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This is good IMO
Author Walter Kirn picks the dystopian novel that best predicted the world in 2021. And now the question is: how did these 20th century writers know how f***ed up we would become?
7 min
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Spoiler: he provides 1984 and brave new world similarities, but zeros in on Fahrenheit 451 where information is controlled and memory is the means of storage.
Fits in your memory hole theme anyway.
Seeding flats today. Fall garden season around the corner. Just difficult to see when it's 90 degrees with 100 degree heat index. None the less the world spins and revolves carrying us forward.
Enjoy the journey! Thanks for the OT.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I agree that Fahrenheit 451 hits it closest.
1984 was as much a work of history as it was fiction. The novel was about the Soviet Union under the Bolsheviks and almost everything in it had an actual historical precedent.
Here is an example of the memory hole, former NKVD head Nikolai Yezhov "unperson":
Did you ever see these guys ? It was a British kiddie program with a dystopian aspect.
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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
the world spins and revolves
Now if we can figure out how to make the revolving spin
into an evolving improvement, we'd have something worthwhile.
I remember Fahrenheit 451. That is the temperature paper burns.
The fire department was tasked with burning books. Erasing written
accounts of inconvenient history. Which leaves only a malleable memory.
Have fun with your flat earth seeding!
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Julian Assange's preliminary extradition hearing
I think this is current and live? Shows the demonstrators outside.
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On this day in history
2014 Oscar-winning actor Robin Williams dies at 63
Robin Williams, the prolific Oscar-winning actor and comedian, died by suicide on August 11, 2014. He was 63.
1965 Watts Rebellion begins
In the predominantly Black Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles, racial tension reaches a breaking point after two white policemen scuffle with a Black motorist suspected of drunken driving.
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I remember Fahrenheit 451
as well. I remember the robot attack dog, the mind-numbing opiate-like TV shows, the giant home TV screens that amazingly already had pegasus spy-ware installed, the zombie wife and citizenry, the sweet girl and her sweet family who were disappeared, the crazy car races on the highways, the masses of people who were unhoused but who had memorized the books before they were burned.
What an imagination.
WSWS calls out the data manipulation surrounding covid;
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/11/viru-a11.html
The Texas Tribune points out the interesting strategy employed by our leaders to increase the spread of this virus.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/09/texas-mask-mandates-greg-abbott-...
Thanks for the OT QMS
Well, ol' Abbott
has figured out one way to make sure that he gets into the history books, at least for a little while before they start burning them... He and De Santis make a pretty couple, don't they?
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Well
To quote
the late, great Ralphie May: "And that's a fact, Jack!".
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
data manipulation
Perhaps the media manipulators have jumped the gun
thinking we are too dumb to figure out the games being played
mis-reporting, under-estimating, over-guesstimating.
Facebook announced on Tuesday that it has permanently shut 65 Facebook and 243 Instagram accounts which have been linked to a campaign to pay influencers to smear the AstraZeneca and Pfizer Covid vaccines.
It almost seems the goal is to keep us in the dark.
Good hearing from you Rand!
question everything
Yep
except when we want dark skies, then we get
At taxpayer expense.
Tonight, if you have clear, dark skies the Perseid meteor shower will be at its peak.
Watch out for falling space junk though.
Key takeaway from the WSWS site
It is becoming apparent that the only solutions were prophylactics that can minimize the effects and duration of the viral infection combined with effective isolation - ie quarantine the sick. We should have prioritized accurate testing and treatments rather than shooting for the moon with untested vaccines, especially the mRNA 'vaccines', that have proved to be so ineffective and actually counter-productive in this pandemic.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwE2ZeuUyXo]
Thank you for the informative
NYCVG
Thanks for the video clip.
Here is an interesting interview with Dr. D. Gurdasani that explains why we are unlikely to reach herd immunity and why allowing this virus to become endemic would be unwise.
"Deepti Gurdasani is one of the lead authors of the BMJ article condemning the UK government’s promotion of 'herd immunity through mass infection', calling its actions a 'dangerous and unethical' experiment.”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/02/gurd-a02.html
Dr. Gurdasani has this to say about allowing this virus to become endemic.
Here's link for the Dark Horse podcast
Watch 1-Hour Version of Censored Interview with Inventor of mRNA Vaccine Technology
Thanks for the link
Will history ever show how the usa allowed homelessness
during a pandemic?
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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Resettlement Camps
The idea is to get the public to agree that there is no choice. No other solution.
Replace the horror we feel with a "solution."
NYCVG
That sounds so eerily familiar, which isn't good at all
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Good morning QMS; thanks for the OT,
information, and music. It's one of those days when I intend to launch into new processes, programs and endeavors and most probably won't ;-).
I note that way down thread, in reply to randtntx you noted that Faceplant
in relation to some fiddle involving influencers. The existence of such creatures has slowly come to my attention, as well as the fact that they are a thing, that it is an occupation, job title, life style and much more. So far, it would appear that they ply their trade, such as it is, on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, You Tube, Tik Tok and probably Reddit and a ton of places or things I have never heard of. Spell check, fwiw, points out "influencers" as improper, and I couldn't agree more. WTF. Hordes of people exist to trigger all of those non-cognitive, non-cerebral, and arguably non-rational processes and pathways by which unthinking behavior may be triggered to do, eschew, buy, eat or otherwise consume this or that and generally adopt or modify some one or more behaviors. It further appears that vast hordes of people unthinkingly go along and jump from bandwagon to bandwagon as prompted by their favorite influencers. SO, that being the case, what is the point, purpose and/or relevance of "the memory hole". I mean, like, whatever. Will we soon track weeks not by month-week-year but by the most popular meme or product? Is covid-19 human malware you get at the mall because you had to get the latest iphone case in person rather than online? Why would you do that? What if your ring rang while you were out?
Well, that felt good, but there is a serious question or two buried in there, fwiw.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Hey enhyra
Thanks for reading and commenting.
The underlying point about our memories
being flushed down the 'memory hole' is the
constant re-writing of the script to suit current
memes. It is confusing to research a data point
that has been changed to suit some agenda that
did not exist at the time of discovery. This may sound
vague, but there seem to be fewer constants these days.
Except for wars (just change the mission name) and taxes
(always going up).
Thats it.
Cheers!
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I followed the invasion of Iraq very closely in multiple news
sources many times per day as it was happening. Sometimes within a mere week or so stuff either vanished or took really narrow, precise searches to retrieve; lots of stuff vanished completely after a while, so I know exactly whereof you speak. Bulk gaslighting on a global scale. I can't tell you how many times I regretted never having a couple of huge drives and some software that would make clipping, indexing, and saving hyper easy.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Further on Julian Assange's trial
This from WSJ ..
In a preliminary hearing in London ahead of a full appeal in October, lawyers acting for the U.S. sought to broaden the grounds for appealing a January decision against Mr. Assange’s extradition, arguing the evidence around Mr. Assange’s mental health needed revisiting.
Judge Timothy Holroyde agreed, saying the judge in the lower court that refused the extradition gave too much weight to the evidence of a defense witness who misled the court by omitting in a report to the court that he knew Mr. Assange started a new family while holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.
The decision means the U.S. can challenge the extradition refusal on multiple fronts, relating both to points of law and the lower court’s central judgment around Mr. Assange’s mental state. The U.S. has already offered assurances around Mr. Assange’s treatment if extradited to ease concerns that harsh prison conditions could heighten his risk of suicide.
my bold .. what does that have to do with anything? How about the lying witness? Pretence of justice.
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