Open Thread - Morality Edition, Friday, May 27, 2016

All religions have based morality on obedience, that is to say, on voluntary slavery. That is why they have always been more pernicious than any political organization. For the latter makes use of violence, the former - of the corruption of the will.
~Alexander Herzen~

morality
: beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior
: the degree to which something is right and good : the moral goodness or badness of something

Let's explore morality with the righteous grooves of The Iguanas.

Who Determines the Maxim: the moral Law ?

Who determines what the moral law requires?

The Pope? Nope.
The President? Congress? Nope.
Your parents? Nope.
The Bible? Nope.
The majority of those in your community or culture? Nope.

It is not a person, nor a group of persons who determine what the moral law requires of you. It is YOU. It is your reason.

And that is not because "nobody knows your life better than you." It is not because you think differently than others. It is not because you have different personal goals. It has nothing to do with the fact that you are different than other people. It has nothing to do with you as an individual.

For Kant, what determines what the law requires is exactly the same as that which makes you infinitely valuable -- your freedom, your ability to choose. And it is your reason that allows for that. Without reason, there is no freedom. Without reason, there is no capacity to choose. Therefore the life of morality requires that you/we all act in accord with reason -- because it is reason which is the source of our freedom, our autonomy, our dignity.

In short, you determine the right thing to do by appealing to your own universalizing and impartial rationality. It so happens that, since all human beings are rational in precisely the same way -- in virtue, that is, of being able to think abstractly and in terms of universal laws -- what you ought to do in situation A,B,C is exactly the same as what someone else ought to do in situation A,B,C.

Marijuana Use Is Still a Morality Issue for Smokers-Turned-Politicians

It’s old news that Jeb Bush smoked marijuana as a teenager, but his re-admission in a new profile in the Boston Globe that he drank alcohol and partook in pot has raised the question of whether presidential candidates who indulged in their youths and don't support lenient drug policy as adults are hypocrites.
Senator Rand Paul, for one, says so. “Hypocrisy is, ‘Hey, I did it and it’s OK for me because I was rich and at an elite school, but if you’re poor and black or brown and live in a poor section of one of our big cities, we’re going to put you in jail and throw away the key,’” Paul told the Hill on Friday. And voters don’t support hypocrites, the Bush rival said.
But even among lawmakers like Paul, who has said he was no “choir boy” in college and supports decriminalization, there’s a narrative that marijuana use is a youthful mistake, that the drug is harmful, and that it should be avoided. A majority of Americans support both the decriminalization and legalization of marijuana, yet no potential presidential candidate has gone so far as to endorse the latter. (Decriminalization, on the other hand, has the support of several likely contenders.) Instead the debate has been over whether people should be jailed for marijuana possession.

Poor People Need a Higher Wage, Not a Lesson in Morality

 “The idea that poverty is a problem of persons—that it results from personal moral, cultural, or biological inadequacies—has dominated discussions of poverty for well over two hundred years and given us the enduring idea of the undeserving poor.”

—Michael Katz, The Undeserving Poor

In a recent op-ed, New York Times columnist David Brooks called for a “moral revival,” one which requires “holding people responsible” so that we have “social repair.”

To illustrate the need for said revival—which he frames as a reassertion of social norms—Brooks offers what he describes as three “representative figures” of “high school-educated America”: a man whose mother was absent, Dad is in prison, attended seven elementary schools, and “ended up under house arrest”; a girl who was “one of five half-siblings from three relationships,” whose mom lost custody of the kids to an abuser, and whose dad left a woman because another guy had fathered their child; and, finally, a kid who “burned down a lady’s house when he was 13” and says, “I just love beating up somebody and making they nose bleed…and beating them to the ground.”

A question of morality in politics

Politics is not a profession that encourages moral reflection or insight. “The ends justify the means” is good enough for most practitioners. But every now and then, you see someone in politics who raises the questions that confront many of us at some point in our lives: Are we living a moral life? By “moral,” I mean are we living with empathy, love and forgiveness for others? Are we encouraging the voice within that asks us to help more than hurt? Are we ready, as Richard Ford’s narrator asks in “The Lay of the Land,” “to meet our maker”?

Today’s sermon is inspired by Lyndon B. Johnson, Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. LBJ was a man of such complexity and power that the great biographer Robert Caro has dedicated 45 years of his life to psychoanalyzing him and still hasn’t finished. But whatever Johnson’s sins, he could frame a basic question of life, one that is rarely contemplated in politics. At the height of the Civil Rights movement, with the blood of voting rights advocates flowing in his home state, Alabama Gov. George Wallace came to Johnson’s Oval Office to try to put the onus on the federal government for the violence. A famous transcript from a recording device reveals a remarkable conversation. Wallace complained about the violence. Johnson commiserated for a moment and then said Wallace could end the protests simply and swiftly by extending the right to vote. Wallace whined that he didn’t have the power. Johnson exploded, “Don’t you s— me, George Wallace. Who runs Alabama?” Then referring to Wallace’s interest in running for president himself in 1968, Johnson got to the heart of the question: “George, you and I shouldn’t be thinking about 1968. We should be thinking about 1988. We will both be dead and gone, by then. What do you want left behind? Do you want a great big marble monument that says, ‘George Wallace: he built?’ Or do you want little scrawny pine board laying there that says: ‘George Wallace: he hated?’ ”

Why Does Morality Focus So Much on Sex?

People often question why so much of morality is focused on sex. Journalist Richard Schiffman, for example, asks “is sexuality the big deal (morally speaking) that the religious hierarchy makes it out to be?” In support of his view that the answer is no, he quotes ethicist Margaret Farley: “In Western culture, at least since its Christian formation, there has been a perduring tendency to give too much importance to the morality of sex… ‘morality’ is almost reduced to ‘sexual morality’” [1]. This emphasis on sex probably seems especially odd if you believe, like sociologist Catherine Hakim, that in reality “sex is no more a moral issue than eating a good meal.”

Schiffman and Farley imply that Western morality is peculiar in its focus on sex, but it’s important to not exaggerate this claim. Rules about sexual behavior are very common cross-culturally; sex is something that human beings are strongly inclined to try and regulate (although there is considerable variation across cultures about what constitutes ‘appropriate’ sexual behavior). Further, compared to the rest of the world, most Western countries are not especially conservative sexually, and are generally much more permissive than, for example, most Islamic and Asian countries.

On the Morality of Immigration

My goal here is twofold: First, I wish to make a plea for the relevance of moral considerations in debates about immigration. Too often, immigration debates are conducted solely from the standpoint of "what is good for us," without regard for the justifiability of immigration policies to those excluded. Second, I wish to offer a standpoint that demonstrates why one should think of immigration as a moral problem that must be considered in the context of global justice. More specifically, I will argue that the earth belongs to humanity in common and that this matters for assessing immigration policy. The case I will be particularly interested in is immigration into the United States, where immigration policy continues to be a hotly debated topic. However, that discussion takes the form of a case study: the relevant considerations apply generally.

To give some initial grounding to the standpoint that the earth belongs to humanity in common, let us suppose for the sake of argument that the population of the United States shrinks to two, but that these two can control access into the country through sophisticated electronic border-surveillance mechanisms. Suppose, too, that nothing changes in the rest of the world. I would argue (and I think most would agree) that under such conditions these two citizens should allow for immigration based on the fact that they are grossly underusing the territory under their control. If this is so, then it follows that what we do with the space we control must matter for assessing immigration policy. It further follows in particular that, given that by global standards the population of the United States is too small relative to the amount of space to which it claims exclusive control, illegal immigrants should be naturalized and more widespread immigration should be permitted.

To Drink or Not to Drink: Is That a Moral Question?

In many societies whether to drink alcohol is straightforward: it is forbidden. But it isn't at all certain what to make of drinking here. For some it is a matter of free choice, while for others it is a social poison. Some view it as a social lubricant and for many teenagers it is a rite of passage.

The difficulty is deciding whether drinking should be condoned or condemned is, in part, because of the morally ambiguous environment in which we live.

Some turn to a single text for answers, a clear-cut, no-nonsense guide. But which book? After Socrates' death, two of his students took divergent paths. Plato and Aristotle disagreed about ethics, the former believing in eternal values and the latter in the need for judgment in particular situations. Jesus broke with the Jewish establishment of his time, placing the spirit of the law above a strict interpretation of it, emphasizing motive over consequence.

The 6 Most Insane Moral Panics in American History

What's wrong with kids these days? Not enough, apparently, since grown-ups seem to feel the need to just make shit up. Even the flimsiest evidence can convince parents and lazy journalists alike that there is some new, horrible threat to our moral character.

Often these turn out to be grossly exaggerated. Or, as in cases like the ones below, completely fucking retarded.

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NCTim's picture

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It's still Thursday here.

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in the "morality in politics" blockquote. I wanted to see All The Way, the movie about LBJ with Brian Cranston but I don't have HBO.

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All of the background in the comments and essay is pink. I think it means something but I don't know what.

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Red sky at night, sailors delight.
Red sky in the morning, sailors take warning.

Oh, oh - sounds like you better dock your life boat.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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:(. I learned below I was typing in the unpublished essay, haha.

dkmich, I just left you a reply in another thread about the Kimmel/Trump/Sanders deal.

Hope you're having a good morning!

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so you can see pink backgrounds? Have your children been messing with your computer?

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It was pink in the preview section.

No comments obviously since this is a scheduled item and has not been published.
Can't recall if I have seen any other pink hue in other areas/sections.

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because I was in an unpublished diary (and didn't know it). Pretty sneaky, haha. See Tim's comment below.

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about Free Choice, Free Will, whatever you want to call it. All relating back to morality. Premise: are we our own agent? or, a container of neurons reacting to our environment every millisecond, along identical biochemical pathways with predictable results? That boils down (simplistically) to are we single agents controlling our destiny or has it been determined whether we are a pawn or a knight by our genes+environment?

The best hope is that it's a mix, nature+nurture. I think. It's a thought article, I will dig up the link and edit in when the sun comes up. linky:http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing...

Later. Edited for link

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I wholly disregard predeterminism. It absolves people of accountability. I have to be strong and resolute, to do what I think is the right thing. I expect my fellow earthlings to find the same kind of strength. Otherwise, society degenerates into a Randian dystopia run by narcissists. What the funk?

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peeks into Schroedinger's box. Uncertaintity does it in.

More importantly, we cannot tell, the complexity is beyond our grasp. That being the case, we must assume free will, or choose it, if you prefer, because there is no point or purpose to adopting the deterministic model of consciousness. It seems to most of us that we think, and we cannot escape that, so it is the only model we can accept, the only reality we can choose.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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But nature/nurture (whatever biological and environmental causes) prime us to develop a choice. Vanilla or chocolate? Hot or cold? An attacking bear would elicit different responses from different humans. And then choice may not even come into play.

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Amazingly, you might be reading my mind on what I was thinking about posting next Wed. in my series on neo-liberalism because it has a large component of imposing the neo-liberal morality mindset upon others. I am hoping to be able to flesh out something along those lines. And then there is the whole argument of ethics versus morals. Anyway, your Open Thread today provides a lot of food for thought. Thank you for all these quotes.

Have a great day and a great weekend, everyone. I am hoping that the weather will cooperate so we can spend some time at the White Squirrel Festival here this weekend.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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Things like frat boy legislators sending kids to jail for smoking weed. Farm subsidies versus food subsidies. I couldn't find a good article on the morality of pollution, war, euthanasia, segregation, inequality, sexism, racism, ...

Neo-liberals are motivated by greed and authoritarian impulses.

Yesterday's news. An NC legislator proposed dismantling the electronics recycling program and putting the stuff into the landfills. The reason? The electronics recycling program is not profitable. I won't repeat what I called the legislator. I don't consider my derision immoral, the legislator earned it.

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and everyone!

Tim, did you notice the timestamps on your first comment and my first 3 comments above? They are before the essay posted. I saw your first comment in the left hand "Recent comments" column last night, clicked it and that's how I got in. It was later that I noticed the essay was not in the middle essay section. Everything was pink. I think I was typing in your unpublished essay. How 'bout that?

Must mean it is going to be an interesting day!

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The editor can post a comment, before publication. Once the comment is posted, anyone can use the comment to get to the posting. I discovered it by accident and then exploited it to post the first comment, before publication, and before going to bed. I didn't want to change my publication time, it has significance.

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I thought I found a bug.

Hahaha, Back Door Man, that's me. Smile

The publication time shows 2:20AM here. Wink Ironically, Rocky Mtn High Time.

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... and on funk Friday.

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their stuff. I look forward to reading the articles on breaks through today, mate. Best wishes to Sweetie. Have a great day, everyone :=)

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but check this out. I am on their FB page, am interested. With about 8 things to do that weekend and Saratoga Springs is about a 3 hour drive. I did ask if there will be video of the conference, and if so, I will bookmark. Some of the workshops look real good.

Nice warm weekend, hope for rain!

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the list of topics and they're all great topics for us to discuss in resilience. If you could get video, I know I would happily watch and learn from it. Each topic could be a post; that way we could chew and digest the material better, eh. Whaddayathink? :=)

TY for this, my friend, and I hope you have a great day and good luck in getting us some video. w00t!

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We've had a string of 85 degree weather in MI... had to turn on the AC... Now we have rabbits that are helping to eat the landscaping that we planted last fall. Where's Mr. McGregor when you want him.

I am waiting for a phone call from My Italian Passport. Finally going to ascertain if I can get Italian dual citizenship for #1 grandson through me and one of my four Italian grandparents. Italy has a weird quirk in their law dealing with birth year that only applies to woman of Italian ancestry (chauvinists). I'm hoping it doesn't rule me out if I go through my paternal line.

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My landscaping jungle is a bunny habitat. I don't mind because my yard is a haphazard natural habitat.

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The Iguanas played a free concert in the park and I called out for "The Liquor Song". The guitar player gave me "the look". I guess the song is not for an all ages audience.

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real happy to catch up on them. TY, eh :=)

This is a plug, but it fits here with the morality edition: I just posted the first in a four-part series on the Stoic thoughts of Marcus Aurelius and how it strengthens my will and mind. It has a link to my earlier three-part introductory series on Stoicism. I find great solace and practical help in the philosophies of antiquity, and in particular in Roman Stoicism. I think you might also.

I explain in the introductory series how Stoic morality is different from the dualistic morality that the West inherited from the monotheistic Christian religion. (One should tread extremely carefully in accessing anything from the monotheistic religions and their dualistic worldview and ideologies.)

The Stoic morality is not dualistic (good vs bad). Forgive me the audacity to quote myself. My position is if I had said it fairly well, why the fuck not? :=)

"Stoicism says that, only virtue (moral excellence) and virtuous actions are "good."

The only "evil" is vice (immorality) and actions motivated by vice.

Everything external is "indifferent," neither good nor evil. It depends on our actions.

Notice the difference between Stoic and the thinking of most cultures. Most cultures divide the moral universe into two categories: good and evil. Stoicism divides it into good and bad plus "indifferent." Our dualistic society taught us, even before we encountered trauma, an unhelpful way of thinking about good and evil. Society says that some external things, such as wealth or family, are good and, that other external things, like poverty or low status in society, are bad.
Stoicism however, says that the only good thing is moral excellence and the only evil thing is immorality. Everything else is neutral. Chocolate fudge sundaes are morally neutral, although they are not calorifically neutral! If I can’t stop thinking about them and buy one every day after work, those thoughts and actions become bad, not the chocolate or the fudge or the ice cream store.

Note carefully that Stoicism says that good and evil are internal to us: it falls within our character; external things are neutral, meaning they are neither good nor evil, but rather 'indifferent.''
http://caucus99percent.com/content/stoicism-trauma-survivors-part-13

Well, at least I didn't use the block quote! Anyway, I would like to hear what you think, mate.

I be back :=) Enjoy your day, folks

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You're right, all too often the only morality anyone talks about is sexual, which is no one's business and usually not even all that interesting.

What is moral is to help each other so that we all have adequate resources to sustain life. The immorality of poverty is the fact that the wealthy don't give a crap if their greed impoverishes others even to the point of death.

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has more to do with religion than morality, the two are not to be confused. Religions are always concerned with sex because it is very powerful and comes from "down there." It might be the Devil.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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The urban versus rural morality schtick.

It's all good.

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little about sex. Yet many of those who claim to follow Jesus Christ get all hung up on Leviticus and Paul. It's not Leviticus Christ, why are we still worrying about that little part of the Old Testament? It's not Paul Christ. He clearly had sexual hang-ups.

Is it a conqueror tradition? Put your energy into taking over the world instead of screwing around?

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LA Times I think this is wrong:

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But as they sipped wine on a vine-covered terrace of the Mayacama Golf Club that evening, some of them began to see an insidious subtext to the affair.

The moneyed establishment was shouldering into the marijuana game, legislating the system to its favor, and the small growers who had built the industry had better accept the new model or get bulldozed by it.

Ted Simpkins — a retired executive from the nation’s biggest alcohol distributor, Southern Wine & Spirits — stood up to welcome the growers and proceeded to give what they characterized as a gruff lecture about who were going to be the “winners and losers” when new medical marijuana regulations take effect in the next two years.

California Ds continue to kick my guts wish I had more to show up and tell off Huffman (endorsed Clinton at the start) he is coming over on June 2nd there will probably be a large boot-licker crowd to greet him and echo how great everything is. The homeless and hungry don't think everything is great. This guy "wrote in my neighbor's name" after doing a little research :(.

fts! and solidarity with people who want to end corruption to make a better world for all. It is real basic stuff affordable shelter, food, medicine, clean water, sanitation, we are a failing state in my long view crap is escalating way out of balance, lobbyists and their politicians are making a killing. Everybody knows Brown's $15 wage bill is stupid because of the recession clause, he rushed it to circumvent the better union bill which had nothing like "the governor is decider" b.s..

Thanks goodness for Bernie who will not shut up, keep going! Jobs not jails.

Peace & Thanks for the rant space

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hypocritical as it gets. Saw a picture the other day of Obama drinking a beer. No one thinks a thing about that, appropriately, but what if he was smoking a joint or taking a bong hit. It shows how extensively humans can be conditioned to think a certain way even if the facts don't support it. Like humanitarian war, the global force for "good", keep pounding home a narrative and it sticks.
Anytime I hear a politician say they support "decriminalization", it shows me they're ignorant and pathetic.

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The prison lobby and police industrial complex.

Politicians are self serving scum. A bunch of party frat boys, yet they perpetuate the war on drugs. FTW.

You have to suffer to sing the blues ->

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This guy thinks he'll be the next governor: Blue Ribbon Commission on Marijuana Policy

How do we protect our kids?

omg omg omg!
What a waste.

Mathre: ECS System Part 4, The Children

Peace

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Just go get them another Happy Meal with Rat McNuggets. That's exactly what I've told my granddaughter, that my weed is my medicine. This "doc" is saying that sends the wrong message?
Maybe we should make laws that the only thing humans can now consume will be kale and spinach smoothies. We could call them Soylent Green Smoothies.

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I was taking a statin and a blood pressure med. I felt like shit. Achy joints, no energy, get light headed, ... So I just quit taking them. A little homeopathic medicine and real food (like they have at the farm stand), and I feel infinitely better.

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And It Stoned Me is such a great song! I didn't know about this great version, though I must say I still prefer the Van Morrison version.

It is about those events in your life threat leave a mark on your soul by their very beauty, IMO. We can be stoned in so many ways, pot being an excellent and predictable medicine for bringing this about.

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Peace out, tmp.

Proposition 65 was the one that said industries should label carcinogens so when you go in to McDonald's here (in BigAg Cloverdale) there is a large poster with tiny english writing that lists all the ways their food causes cancer. This I observed last year when my neighbor took me out to lunch, no one reads the sign all eyes are pasted to the FoxNews channel blaring from up high (begs for TV-B-Gone!)

May 24th was Judi Bari Day.
Solidarity
sister "Don't mourn, organize!"
http://www.judibari.org/

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I am not good enough in searching for sources. Someone told me that Trump has announced that any US soldier, who has gotten his US citizenship between 2001 and some years later, through his/her military service, would lose his/her citizenship, if he were to become President.

Is there a direct quote for that?

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Weather Service.

"Henceforth, in the Pacific Northwest, there will no longer be any temperatures or temperature announcement in the 70's. The weather will now include only the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 80's and 90's. Those seeking more stable environments should consider Abu Dhabi."

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How many actual members are on this blog at this time? More than a few, I can see, but I've been curious about growth lately, cuz it definitely seems busier here.

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And out of that number, are there ways to tell a percentage of regular, actively-participating members?

Yeah, there's a lot of reasons to be asking--one in particular, prompted by the TOP graph of the 44% traffic plummet. I'd love to see if there was a demonstrable uptick here at about that same time, and if it's been on the uptick ever since. Maybe there's even a recent post about this (recent = since the post the other day noting said graphic of their traffic swan-dive after 3/15) because boy, that's something I'm gonna bookmark for when I'm feeling like I'm gonna fall off the old Orange Wagon....

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JtC has had to upgrade the servers several times to accommodate the traffic, including very recently. You can always click on Who's Online to see how many users are here within the last five minutes. I can remember when we were first starting up at this location nearly a year and a half ago, the most we might see at one time was maybe a dozen. Of course, caucus99percent.com was around before this location too.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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Around the time of the great disaffection, volume jumped exponentially and caused some operational difficulties. Schlep that guitar.

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Unlike other forms of power and control, it claims ultimate, transcendent authority, which can not be questioned.

Even kings, queens and other kinds of autocrats are questioned -- and throughout history, assassinated if they go too far for some. But religions, especially the three monotheisms of the Levant, claim that there is no higher authority than their god, who can't be overthrown, according to their myths. He can't be questioned. He can't be second-guessed. He must be obeyed.

You are correct. In the Christian and Muslim traditions especially -- the Jewish tradition does pose questions of their god from time to time -- "morality" is obedience. To obey is to be moral. To accept his dictates without questioning them is "morality." The dangers of this are self-evident, and lead to other problematics. IMO, real "morality" is the absence of cruelty, the presence of loving kindness, generosity, empathy, reaching out to others. "Immorality" is the presence of cruelty, sadism, violence, the absence of kindness and love, generosity, empathy, etc. etc. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "obedience."

It's also worth noting that the three religions of the Levant worship a god who commits umpteen genocides, and Christianity brings us the mother of all genocides as the finale. If taken literally, the Christian god, if he were to come back today, would slaughter roughly 5 billion humans, and damn them to eternal torment. To me, there are few more obvious examples in world religion of total evil than this End of Days story. But true believers will accept it, without question. How could such a belief not influence the way they look at the world and their fellow human beings?

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

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Peace out, tmp.

enhydra lutris's picture

wording of thes phrase does tip off a good chunk of what is to follow Wink

Who Determines the Maxim

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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Have a funky weekend!

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

Deja's picture

Sad

Tips? I'm on my phone. Android.

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