# Open Thread: Monday, March 7, 2016

 Happy Liberation of Sulaymaniyah Day
 Today’s number is 7
 7 is a prime (the 4th prime) 999,999/7 = 142,857. Any fraction consisting of an integer divided by 7 will have a repeating decimal consisting of those digits in that order starting at a different, determinable digit unless the numerator is an even multiple of 999,999 or 7. For example, 1/7 = 0.142857142857..., 2/7 = 0.285714285714..., 3/7 = 0.42857142857.... The short-cut is to multiply 0.142857 by the remainder of the long division, and then repeat that decimal component. Thus, the fractional part of 11/7 is 4/7 = 4 x 0.148257 repeated, generating 0.571428571428571428 etc. This arithmetic oddity was something of a pain for accountants in days of yore because the shortest depreciable life to generate the maximum investment tax credit was 7 years. As a result, 7 was a very popular useful life and the computation of 150% and 200% declining balance depreciation would involve using a rate of either 1.5 x 1/7 or 2 x 1/7. 7 is the most likely result from rolling 2 regular 6 sided dice. 7 is neutral pH 7 is Nitrogen Old No. 7 is There are 7 days in a week, 7 colors in the rainbow, 7 seas, 7 continents, 7 Wonders of the ancient world, 7 Dwarves, Rome's 7 hills, the Plieades, and There were Seven Samurai and therefore And the magnificent Lotus 7 & super 7. Seven is and has been a magik and magikal number in a lot of cultures and religions. I'm just going to take a pass on all of it. The sole exception is that the Seventh Son is present throughout the US blues and folk genres. 7 BCE was the Year of the Consulship of Nero and Piso (Tiberius Claudius Nero and Gnaeus Calpurnius Piso) and the death of Emperor Cheng of Han and his royal consort Zhao Hede. 7 CE was the Year of the Consulship of Metellus and Nerva. Caesar Augustus was emperor and appointed Publius Quinctilius Varus (yep, that Varus) governor of Germania. Varus almost immediately created a lot of dissension among the various and sundry German tribes, just as he had pissed off the residents of Syria and Judea when stationed in those outposts. This would bite him in the ass in 9 CE at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest where some of said German tribes annihilated him and his 3 legions. The Romans did, much later, recover their 3 "Eagles", but never again had a 17th, 18th or 19th legion.
 On this date in 1876 Alexander Graham Bell got a patent for the telephone 1900 The SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse sent the first ever ship-to-shore radio signals 1965 600 civil rights marchers were brutally attacked by cops in Selma, Alabama 1985 We Are The World was released
 Born this day in 1671 Rob Roy, a Scottish outlaw/revolutionary & mixed drink 1792 John Herschel, a mathematician and astronomer 1849 Luther Burbank, a botanist and author who never lived in Burbank, CA but who knew Yogananda 1872 Piet Mondrian, a painter 1875 Maurice Ravel, a pianist & composer 1943 Chris White, a bass player and songwriter (The Zombies) 1944 Townes van-Zandt, a guitarist, singer, & songwriter 1945 Arthur Lee, a guitarist, singer, songwriter and producer (Love) 1946 Matthew Fisher, a singer, songwriter, keyboard player & Producer (Procol Harum) 1946 Peter Wolf, a singer & songwriter (The J. Geils Band) 1951 Rocco Prestia a base player (Tower of Power) 1952 Ernie Isley, a guitarist & songwriter (The Isley Brothers)
 Died this day in 1810 Cuthbert Collingwood, a British admiral, ran with Lord Nelson 1942 Lucy Parsons, an activist & wobblie 1952 Paramahansa Yogananda, ayogi, guru, philosopher and author (Autobiography of a Yogi). Founded the self-realization fellowship in Encinitas. Knew Luther Burbank. 1967 Alicd B. Toklas, a famous dope fiend 1971 Harold McNair, a saxophonist & flautist. Donovan session player. 1988 Divine, a drag queen, actor, & singer 1999 Stanley Kubrick, a guy who made movies 2006 Ali Farka Toure, a singer and multi-instrumentalist from Mali, who played great music and played with many other greats 2007 Ronnie Wells, jazz singer and instructor 2012 Big Walter Price, a blues pianist, singer, & songwriter
 Holidays, Holy Days, Feasts, Observances and such
 Liberation of Sulaymaniyah (Iraqi Kurdistan)
 Ravel
 The Zombies
 Townes van-Zandt
 Love
 Procol Harum
 The J. Geils Band
 Tower of Power
 The Isley Brothers
 Harold McNair
 Devine
 Ali Farka Toure
 Ali Farka Toure & Ry Cooder - Bonde
 Ali Farka Toure- African Blues- Petenere
 Ali Farka Toure- The River- Ai Bine
 Ronnie Wells
 Big Walter Price

OK, it is an open thread, so go for it

## Comments

### So there is the equivalent of MOT over here

Good morning. Nice number thingies, enhydra lutris.
Suffering a home invasion by deer mice. I have killed three in the last 24 hours. How they get in is a mystery. Superinsulated house and all.

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### Deer mice are famous for using tiny teleportation devices.

Solar powered, with really small controls (their whiskers do the fine tuning and programming) they allow deer mice to enter and exit at will. Some alien technology theorists believe that deer mice are simply too backwards to develop teleportation on their own, and therefore, these devices were provided by an alien species. I disagree. Deer mice have a technique called iCheese Computing, akin to cloud computing, in which all those little brains act together and solve incredibly complex math equations. Surely such a force could have developed the Mouse Teleporter.

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### Had same problem a few years ago

Called pest control and they suggested that the mice didn't get in, but were likely born in the house with the previous generation having been "sealed in"

I have to admit, I like the teleportation idea better, though

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### I prefer the iMouse idea, too

but if I am incubating generations in the house, they are getting smarter about being undetected. No kitchen signs at all...

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### God morning, thanks for reading. Yes, we have a MOT,

rotating authors. I do Mondays, and sleep in (I'm left coast), so I work off of the date and other things I can do well in advance.

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### Procul Harum vs. Boko Haram.

I know which one I prefer.

Weird think about me iPad this am. It kept switching to other languages (Lithuanian, Japanese, then Spanish) I ended up removing all foreign keyboards. Weird.
Clouds, warmth, then the Lyric's Romeo and Juliet this eve. Ahhh.

Stopped by the old place to see what they've done with the decor. I see no reason to ever go back. Rancid, that is the word. Reminds me of when I returned to my old house on the N side of Chicago, about 5 yrs after I sold it. All the roses, painstakingly grown and fed? Dead. Ivy and wonderful flowing plants in front? Punked. The great Olde English rose by the garage? Ripped out, replaced by sod. The raspberries, blueberries, and perennials in back? I was shocked by their lack. When we moved, it was alive, green, flowery, and beautiful.
Replaced by . . . Grass? Yuck. Reminds me of what Dear Leader and his strum troopers are doing at dk, even before the Ides of March.

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### logged out, but..

I had to go back for the BNR. It's how I start my days now and I find I'm not really ready to face the next 24 hours without it. I'm really hoping it moves here once the hammer drops on the 15th (assuming it does--I'm kind of pumped over the weekend results). If the BNR keeps posting over there, I'll keep going and reading it, but I really feel like my home is here now. In some ways its hard to let go of the old homestead, but I find the people I read and admire are all rapidly signing up over here, so I suspect I won't miss it for long

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### If we hit 1K by the Ides of March,

I do believe that will be reaching critical mass.

Already, the tone of that place is really pathetic. I don't Dear Leader cares, so long as he can cash out at the end. Or cash in, should the Inevitable One win. (Pity he is not smart enough that he will never, ever be part of her inner corpse. Those folks have been with her for ages. A newbie like Dear Leader would be laughed at for his high expectorations.

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### The 2nd word in this Open Thread is "Liberation,"

soon to be added to the banned words list over there.

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### Heh. Avanti o popolo!

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### I plan on keeping up with some stuff over there, and maybe

even trying to make better use of Group W to push anti-war stuff. We really need to rekindly the peace movement in this country.

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### Peace movement

I am involved in a local Peace vigil in NC. We are now down to three of us. The group started over 13 years ago with 35 participants but many dropped out once Obama was elected. When I joined nearly five years ago, there were four others. But we are aging out. A little over a year ago, our oldest and most loyal member who was 92 had to drop out because he was not physically able to continue. Then another member left. We are down to three of us, me, who is the youngster and two octagenarians, one of whom is not well. We have tried to recruit people and have had some say they would join us, but it usually only lasts one week. It is a big sacrifice to set aside every Sat. to participate in our Peace vigil and many people would rather do something else.

I am sad to say that I am beginning to think it will take the draft to get the Peace movement back. Most people I talk to have difficultly having an emotional investment in events far off and being fought by people we do not know.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~ Dr. Cornel West

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

### The last couple of anti-war actions I participated in

were comprised of youngsters and boomers, with most of the age brackets missing. Very sad.

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### Was previously in a town that was Clinton country

If one's coming up in the PDX, I'm there.

Tired of sitting on the sidelines while more people get thrown into the grinder.

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### we should get together

before they tear the whole city down

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### I vote Powells for a meet-up

Because if anybody gets bored they can wander off for a bit in the greatest bookstore I've ever had the privilege to be in.

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### I always wanted to see that bookstore

... may be one day I make it to the West Coast and stay a day to visit it. Interesting to see that you start thinking of meet-ups.
If you meet then say hallo to everybody from a lonely gal at the east coast, impoverished in the richest city, inhabited by the super rich, the super powerful, the super kiss-ass employees and the 99 percent of poorer folks on the east coast.

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### Bummer, isn't it?

You can't go home again.

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### Sounds like a little tune by Barenaked Ladies, "The Old

Apartment". Grass, as a Californian, is an anathema. Our place had grass when we bought it and we've been removing and replacing it since.

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### I really do not like grass. Some bizarre suburban ritual

Instead, I am ever slowly increasing the flower garden in front, my steel statutes all over, and the working garden in back.
Each year we get tons of raspberries, and now Sea buckthorn berries and gooseberries, as well as peaches, pears, plums.

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### I personally am quite fond of it.

But only Indica. Sativa makes me sleepy or paranoid or both.

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### Mind blowing Memberlist

I started at the end which happens to be Page 7 today (must be logged in to see it). Great! Working backward the names are familiar no wonder this place seems so very friendly. Thanks good people!
Edit: Hah I learned about parens in links, again. Thanks!
Natalie Merchant - Kind and Generous
Peace

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### Holy Cow! You're right,

Holy Cow! You're right, including my favorite front pager who joined back in August. And here I thought that it was hyperbole that the only people left at dKos would form a like-minded echo chamber! But judging from that membership list... wow, and most of those on the 5th of March. Holy Cow!

The question to my mind now is, how is this going to affect the dKos brand and, most importantly, revenue?

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### Someone mentioned that DKos' main income these days

derives from selling email lists, not from page click-driven ad revenue, so any compromise of their bottom line will take a while to become clear.

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### So that is why I'm getting

So that is why I'm getting fundraising emails, I was wondering why I was getting Heinrich for senate from Virginia emails. That is also the reason I don't sign petitions, learned that lesson from Move-on.org.

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### I am having so many friends now and they want all

my money and call me by my first name, candidates for something and I have no clue about of who they are. If you think you can ask them politely to please, please unsubscribe me from their email list, they just seem to be tone-deaf. It's a horror to read my inbox subject lines these days.

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### It started further back with some folks itching for

something less controlled & controlling but kept winding up on suboptimal platforms. Finally Johnny built this.

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### Wonderful, diverse, collection of music!

I don't see Devil Makes Three mentioned often. I used to play in a band in Boulder Creek (north of Santa Cruz), and we played Old Number 7 pretty often, as well as some of their other songs. My favorite was Shades. And I LOVE Ali Farka Toure. He can turn anything into a Kora.

I once owned an Austin 7.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

### Glad you like the music. Ali Farka Toure is wonderful.

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### Woke up this morning, felt pretty good.

Played a bit of CK2 last night. Which is funny because I can always tell when I'm getting depressed by how long it's been since I exercised my brain. And I find myself obsessed this morning with obscure films that nobody bothered seeing, and glad to see on of my favorites on the open thread.

So with that in mind, here's my favorite Kurosawa...

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### I saw that, after all, Kurosawa. Not sure that its my fave,

but definitely something I'd watch again.

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### To me it feels like a tighter version of Ran

Same tragedy of hubris, but much shorter and still has the same kind of visual punch.

Course, I am fond of short stories, short films, and anything else that can tell a powerful message in a small space of time.

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### Some extra tunes on the 7 theme from the 12/7 version of this

extra tunes:

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### One more, If it's all the same yeah

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### Of course, pile it on. This is, after all,

the home of Joe Shikspack's Evening Blues and music aficionados of all stripes.

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### Good morning! Turn your back for a minute...

and there are 717 members of C99. Probably a few more now, since I'm not the fastest typist in the world.

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### isn't that, Progmodervative?

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### In reality of course, but not in her own self-description...

not yet...

not until Clinton needs to pander for Thug votes for TPP or the next war. Then she'll always have been a passionate committed conservative.

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### you are making again

the brain-hurting fractions.

Brian Aldiss says the great achievement of 2001 is that, unlike most practitioners of science fiction, including himself, Kubrick believed the future to be unknowable, and presented it as such.

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### It is far too early in the day for epistemology, but I cannot

resist asking if the present itself if "knowable". Mine is a construct, but even so, I'm not sure that I really know it.

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### no,

the present is not knowable, either. Kubrick dealt with that in The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut.

Fractions, of course, are completely unknowable.

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### One can, of course, conjure up a Heisenbergian

variant of one of Zeno's paradoxes. Imagine an infinitely sharp cleaver halving any solid object. At some point it will come upon a fundamental particle and push it to one side or the other (or will it, and how will we know). This imparts a change of momentum to that particle, rendering its position uncertain and making steering the blade a matter of guesswork from there on out.

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### the primary paradox

of Zeno is that none of his works survive, so we really don't know what he said.

If I am not careful when using my infinitely sharp Global knives, they will halve my fingers, including fundamental particles like the bones.

Meanwhile, a solar eclipse shall end the day before it begins.

So much for "time." ; )

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### Morning EL, good people~

It's been hard to get by in the mornings lately, but I have a doctor's appointment soon so, ha ha! here I am. Great debate last night, so happy that Bernie was so blunt about the fracking--I loved that. I think many of us feel the same, no, I don't support fracking either. So there.

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### Morning, Triv, thanks for reading.

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### You and money are the only ones who have ever

made numbers attractive to me, el~~

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### Thanks.

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### Bernie must have done better in that debate

all they can talk about is how he told her to shush. Which, apparently, isn't even what happened. That's their characterization. And it's ok if she interrupted him because that's standard procedure but it was sexist of him to notice.

And because they're focusing on "civility" it means Bernie was superior on the issues and they know it.

As for that "civility", that's a Republican Peggy Noonan-style trick. It's a last resort kind of thing.

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### Reminds me of the old truism

If your issues are stronger, argue the issues.
If your likability is higher, appeal to the judges
If neither are higher, call your opponent names.

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### I didn't listen to the debate, but read about those at the gos

who fought over there about the "interrupting, talking over and hushing stuff". I have not yet decided to search for a complete file of the debate to see for myself, but from what I read, it seems that Hillary used the same "tactics" as Marsha Blackburn and Michele Bachmann have perfected, just that Hillary is smarter than they are. I looks they are all trained by the same coach in the same techniques of how to debate and deal with journalists.

Repeat the same answers after each follow-up and ignore the questions, continue talking when others should have the right to respond, pointing fingers, raising their voices and talking over the opponents or journalists or walking off.

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### erased double post, sorry /nt

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### Good morning el and c99ers.

We are creeping toward 70 degrees for Wednesday - woohoo! I am so keeping my fingers crossed that Michigan shows Hillary and bubba the door.

I am logged out at dk. I like it that way. It keeps me from getting involved. I do go back for BNR and to check the rec. list for news of interest. No tips, no comments, just lurking with the fewest number of clicks possible. I think the few remaining Bernie people are being lulled into a sense of security and will get hammered on 3/15.

Over 700 registrations you say? Holy cow! How is everyone doing?

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### Good morning, dkmich. Still raining here.

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### OMG

I went away for three days and this place exploded!

I am so happy to see so many contributing members here. Welcome everyone!

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

### I just dropped the following comment in one of the posts

over at Daily Kos, and decided to crosspost it here, because it is one of my more succinct versions of it.

There are “bowl of jello” issues such that a poke in one place reverberates throughout the entirety of society.

1. Civil liberties: what one has a right to and to do -- should be restored, revived and expanded, including non-enumerated rights, like the right to control ones body and medical and reproduction decisions, etc.

2. Civil rights: who has those rights -- should be equality in all regards and all respects for all persons with no artificial barriers

3. I’d throw in peace because war invariably places restrictions upon both civil liberties and civil rights, as well as depressing the productive economy in favor of the unproductive economy.

Those are umbrella issues, each capable of generating an agenda that is not mere pages, but whole chapters long, and they are all subsumed under an overarching empowerment principle:

All (political and economic) power should reside in the hands of all of the people.

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### What's really sad to me is that I can already see...

and am willing to lay bets on the response that you'll get over there.

Willing to bet the word "Privilege" shows up in one of the first ones.

But you're dead right on peace. We can't rebuild here while we're ripping the rest of the world apart a piece at a time.

Edited because I linked the wrong video... just some mood music.

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### Seven

Seven is also one of my favorite movies of all time.

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Progressive to the bone.

### thanks, el, for the OT, I hope you are doing fine and that

the rain will pass. I always wonder how I would handle your climate over there. Rain, clouds, not too hot (I assume). The only thing I really like here on the East Coast in the DC area are the many days that have a bright blue sky, sunshine and are not yet too humid and hot. I just love those. I am grown up near Hamburg, Germany, and there it's like London, lots of grey, lots of rainy muddy weather, but then, if it clears up .... aaahhh just gorgeous.

Have a good day, all.

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### Which will destroy Iraq first?

Nobody doubts that the Iraqi government is corrupt and ineffective, but it is a bit late to do anything about this. Threats to get those who benefited from the corruption to disgorge their fabulous gains are unrealistic. The whole political class in all parts of Iraq have made money from plundering state revenues since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. A large chunk of the population have benefited from a “jobs-for-the-boys” patronage system. The economic crisis of 2016 has replaced the military crisis of 2014 and could be equally devastating. One intelligence chief told me: “I can’t even pay for food to feed my men.”
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### What "fighting terror at home" means

In 2009, Sadequee was tried, convicted, and sentenced to a 17-year federal sentence. But even after receiving that harsh sentence, the irksome fact remained that Sadequee had never actually committed an act of terrorism. The allegations against him amounted to statements and translations he had made online as a teenager. At his trial, Sadequee said that these online activities were “just talk,” and were never intended to manifest in an act of violence.

“Shifa was never accused of making any specific threat or plot. The government didn’t even have to prove that he did anything, just that he had the intent, which they did using his online chats and translation activities,” says Khurrum Wahid, who served as Sadequee’s stand-by counsel during the trial and who also appears in Homegrown. “It goes down to the issue of what you do when you come across a teenager making provocative statements online. As a society, is it our responsibility to string them along and send them to jail?”

Wahid is outraged about the government’s handling of Sadequee’s case and those of other young people that involve preventive policing. “In no other context would we accept that we arrest and jail people for further actions that haven’t happened,” he says. “The right solution in cases of teenagers like Shifa might be to call the families and do an intervention, which is what would happen in any other case. But for some reason, we decide that terrorism is different.”

Sadequee was not arrested until the age of 19, but it appears that the government had been surveilling him closely for many years before that. Among the accusations against him were that he had sought to join the Taliban in December 2001. At that time, Sadequee would have been 15 years old.

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### Western World’s Most Stunning Accounting Disaster

oh yes, you can say that again:
Millennials Are Paying for ‘the Western World’s Most Stunning Accounting Disaster to Date’

A staggering Guardian investigation reveals how ... Westerners born in the 1980s and mid-1990s have been betrayed by previous generations that have left them in debt, jobless and locked out of property markets.
...
The Guardian’s series, which will be published over the next couple of weeks,
...

Revealed: the 30-year economic betrayal dragging down Generation Y’s income

Exclusive new data shows how debt, unemployment and property prices have combined to stop millennials taking their share of western wealth...
in many countries they have slumped to earning as much as 20% below their average compatriot. Pensioners by comparison have seen income soar.
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In seven major economies in North America and Europe, the growth in income of the average young couple and families in their 20s has lagged dramatically behind national averages over the past 30 years.
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It is likely to be the first time in industrialised history, save for periods of war or natural disaster, that the incomes of young adults have fallen so far when compared with the rest of society.
Experts are warning that this unfair settlement will have grave implications for everything from social cohesion to family formation.
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Prosperity has plummeted for young adults in the rich world.
1. In the US, under-30s are now poorer than retired people.
2. In the UK, pensioner disposable income has grown prodigiously – three times as fast as the income of young people.
3. Millennials have suffered real terms losses in wages in the US, Italy, France, Spain, Germany and Canada and in some countries this was underway even before the 2008 financial crisis.
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In our series, we will reveal that today’s young people are not delaying adulthood because they are – as the New Yorker once put it – “the most indulged young people in the history of the world”. Instead, it appears they are not hitting the basic stages of adulthood at the same time as previous generations because such milestones are so much more costly and in some cases they are even being paid less than their parents were at the same age.

oh well, too depressing, but worth following the upcoming series and reading the article.

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### What I've read so far jibes

with how I've seen things happen. Even I, who graduated h.s. in 1979, just in time for Reaganomics, am not in the same position my parents were. Some of that is my fault for making some bad choices, but I have worked my whole life and contributed. I could not afford to send my son, born in 1982, to college. He's doing okay for himself, but not working at where his talents lie. My younger son is in college now, but only because his father is 100% disabled from the military so they pay for his classes and scholarships.

Thanks for the link. Look forward to reading the whole series.

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We are not embracing a politics of envy if we reverse a politics of greed. - Joseph Stiglitz

### I feel like that applies to those born in the 70s too

My sister and I are not going to have nearly the level of security and accomplishment that my parents had. Its simply not possible, there are no lifetime pensions anymore, so lifetime healthcare plans. We've done okay - we are certainly not among those suffering most - but we haven't come close to managing on a college education and a masters degree what my parents did with high school educations.

The Boomers (as a group, not individuals) sold us all out...

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