Open Thread 7-21-16: It's All a Scam!

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Times have changed since I went to junior high school. We had a social studies teacher who taught us various ways advertisers try to trick us. I don't think they (teachers, that is) do that any more. I think today's public school teachers would be fired if they tried to actually educate. Here's a wiki page that's nearly identical to what we learned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques

There are so many! Here's one we're very familiar with:

Appeal to fear
Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling anxieties and panic in the general population, for example, Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish! to claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.

and, similarly:

Demonizing the enemy
Making individuals from the opposing nation, from a different ethnic group, or those who support the opposing viewpoint appear to be subhuman (e.g., the Vietnam War-era term "gooks" for National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam aka Vietcong, or “VC”, soldiers), worthless, or immoral, through suggestion or false accusations. Dehumanizing is also a term used synonymously with demonizing, the latter usually serves as an aspect of the former.

We don't have to call Republicans "subhuman". We can just call them "stupid" or "low information voters" or "dangerous".

The whole list is fascinating reading. It looks like a textbook for those who control "information".

Which brings me to the point. It's propaganda, designed to manipulate is and it doesn't stop with politics. It's all a scam!

$10-15/hr jobs to save Crater Lake

We were walking down the street and saw a flyer on a telephone pole. Protect Crater Lake! Jobs! Summer! And when you go to the web site you see that what they want are people to stand outside the supermarket to try to raise money. Where does the money go? That's a good question, right? If you read further, digging down, you get the picture. The money does two things. It pays the salaries of the board and it goes into lobbying. Aha! Or what we call "bribery". So if you stand on the sidewalk and get people to give money, that money ends up in the pockets of the legislators. Swell. That's a scam!

http://www.environmentoregon.org/page/aze/work-cleaner-greener-healthier...

Dine out with your Mastercard And stand up to cancer

I was checking out some sports page or other and noticed this big ad that ran across the top and down both sides. I asked myself "If I had a Mastercard and if I went to a restaurant, would that end cancer?" I felt, surely, the answer was "no". Another scam? The money ("one precious cent at a time", says the website) goes to researchers who would be in the financial situation of having no more money if they actually succeed. And, weirdly enough, when you read the press release there's a short mention of cancer and then a much longer description of "memorable dining experiences". So yeah, a scam.

http://www.standup2cancer.org/press_release/view/dine_out_with_mastercar...

Cokie's kids charity

Who doesn't love children? Cokie Roberts, noted conservative who gets confused with a liberal because she was on PBS, is on the board of directors of "Save the Children". The website say 87% goes to programs. The other 13%? Fundraising and salaries. Here's a quote that shows how effective they are:

Following our response to the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., we worked with parents to help raise awareness about the importance to emergency preparedness and child protection.

Whoopee! That, surely, is worth whatever money I can cough up.

http://www.savethechildren.org/site/c.8rKLIXMGIpI4E/b.6191697/k.F89E/Pro...

Clinton Foundation

Others can write more succinctly about this scam. Haitians are getting poor nutrition, poor services, but there sure is a lot of money involved! And then there are the shadowy aspects involving Hillary, her position as Secretary of State, arms sales....a scam!

The DNC and the RNC

Forget these two! They'll never get anything done. They exist solely to collect money. In fact, sad to say, virtually all candidates are fronts for that. Elizabeth Warren? Yes. Barack Obama? For sure. Bernie Sanders? shhh...don't tell some of the people here but yeah, I think so. Better than the others but, at least at this point, a front.

It's like Ray Campi sang. This whole thing is a ripoff!

And this from Bob Dylan

It’s all just a dream, babe
A vacuum, a scheme, babe
That sucks you into feelin’ like this

In general, anything you can send money to is a scam. It's like that Twilight Zone episode, "To Serve Man". It sounds great but, as we all learned, it's a cookbook.

These scams extend to our daily life. That health food supermarket? Scam. When the good bread gets taken out and the local white bread company (that's now owned by Wonder Bread) moves in, it's a scam.

Occasionally something or someone comes along that is pure and is loved for that. Then it's either killed or corrupted or eventually fades out.

Killed (would he have gone the way of Bernie? We never had the chance to find out)

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Corrupted

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Faded out

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Sigh....time to revisit than "Tune in, Turn on, Drop out" thing.

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martianexpatriate's picture

with the astonishing differences. It was always pretty bad, but it's just gotten so much worse lately. When I go to the front room to see what other people are watching here, its kind of astonishing.

They have on a reality show that gathers footage of people "snapping," attacking others while in view video-camera's on street corners. Cop shows of many varieties. They tend to focus on the darkest part of humanity. Then the commercials switch to products they can't afford, and remind them of lives they will never have again.

A guy checked in here last week. I asked him his name and tried to get him to talk a little because he seemed down. He said he was checking into this place 'forever." That was the exact word he used.

That's what he's been watching all this time. Examples of people beating each other and being shot, and then commercials which present a reality in which people can only be happy while participating in excess. None of the social activities that are supposed to happen and nobody ever pays attention to him but me.

For him, it's hell.

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Ajaradom's picture

Thank you for paying attention and spreading love! You are giving this person a priceless gift --- your actions produce hope and hope is contagious and that produces more action and more hope ...(credit to the philosopher Unger for this definition/theory of hope)!

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I think we are tuning in, turning on and dropping out. No media, no Hillary, no Trump.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Shahryar's picture

she's alway been a loudmouth. Now, at 19 or 20 or however old she is, she's our new time system. One cat (that is, the first time she comes in yowling) means it must be 4:30 am. Two cats (the second time...sort of like bells in the Navy I guess) means 6 am. Usually we'll get her in bed and that'll calm her down. Then, three cats (8:30 ish) we'll feed her. Today she made sure she got me up at "two cats". Ugh! Too early!

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enhydra lutris's picture

Ours has been known to go off as early as the midnight to 1 shift, 3 to 3:30, 4 to 4:30, 5ish, and 15 to 20 minutes before dawn. He seldom does all of them on the same night, but even more rarely does he limit himself to one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Lookout's picture

Like Bob sang
Advertising signs that con
you into thinking you're the one
that can do what's never been done
that can win what's never been won
Meantime life outside goes on
all around you.

7.5 min
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYajHZ4QUVM]

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

The expectations game might not work out well for Hillary. The media expected the RNC to collapse into a chaotic free-for-all, forgetting that reality TV is what Trump does best. The best moment so far was Ted Cruz getting booed off the stage last night while Trump smiled knowingly, in a scene reminiscent of the WWE.

Next week the expectation will be that control-freak Hillary will have her convention locked down. Simply because the Tea-GOP hates her so much, Dems are expected to support her 100 percent. Anything less than wild enthusiasm for Hillary will be seen as a breakdown, DNC coming apart at the seams!

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

Shockwave's picture

That is why she will select either Tim Kaine or Tom Vilsack who will be like buckets of cold water.

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The political revolution continues

snoopydawg's picture

pick Kaine for VP.
The comments are amazing. Some said that he wrote it so that it can become another way for the anti Hillary haters to come in and start a pie fight.
Many are defending Kaine because it is ok to have a centerous VP for some damned reason or other.
I have no idea what the people who are standing with Hillary despite her baggage stand for, but they aren't true progressives obviously. If they were then they would have voted for the candidate that was actually running on the progressive values that the democratic party once stood for.
SIGH

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

...was Kos has to say. he has served his purpose for them. the little soldier will be left to die on the field.

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hecate's picture

when you're scheming to get your mitts on the levers of power.

As Billmon, watching the dance of the Hairball herrenvolk there in Cleveland last night, pumped out on his twit machine:

The militarist war cry throughout history: "The volk are in danger!"

And speaking of "anything you can send money to is a scam," I have never understood this business of giving money to political candidates. What is that about? Just seems weird to me. Generally, when one forks over the monies, it is to purchase some concrete object—a hamburger, a wrench, a toilet—or some service for which, if it proves unsatisfactory, there is recourse in law (sawbones, etc.) A person seeking political office is not concrete (though most surely have cement in their heads), and there is no recourse in law when they take your money and run. So, me, myself, I spends me monies on begonias, instead.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

shaharazade's picture

and give donations to the homeless people directly. There are a lot of them hanging out on my main neighborhood street. Last year after the cops had gone on a rampage shot and harassed a lot of people who were vulnerable and in their sights, our mayor decided he had a community PR problem. He came to our neighborhoods main street and walked around an shook the homeless people hands and scared the bejeezuz out of all on the street as he had brought a couple of cops with him. They called it community outreach. At least they don't put people on buses and ship them out of the city like Difi did as mayor of SF when we lived there.

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hecate's picture

buy veggie starts of whatever the deer won't eat, which is basically hot peppers. And that's fine, because these are of the three essential food groups: meat, heat, cheese.

You are a good person, with the direct giving. One of the lawyers here does kind of a cool thing: whenever someone on the street wants money, he just gives them some: no questions, no judgement; every time. In this he is the polar opposite of The Hairball, who will part with no monies until he determines what he can get back. The Hairball, he makes John D. Rockefeller look like Santa Claus.

Feinstein is gross. She owes her ascent to the bullets her (ex-police officer) protege Dan White fired into the brains of George Moscone and Harvey Milk. Her political career had been over, until that happened.

Also, among Those Who Know, Know, she has long been known as Lillie Coit II. Coit is the SF gal who gave her name to Coit Tower, the phallic object there on Telegraph Hill, erected at Lillie's request, and reflecting her great love for firefighters. That love was carnal. Similarly, back in the day, Feinstein had quite the uniform fetish, and so would oft sexually service various and sundry police officers. She to this day recalls these glory days of hers in her cuddling up to beribboned spies and spooks and what-have-yous.

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had us play a game called "Propaganda." Excellent stuff. I took his courses several times through high school and got to read Malcolm, Eldridge, Fromm, Hayakawa and many others who expanded my mind and changed my perspective.

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enhydra lutris's picture

the first 15 minutes of so included:

A black male in FL laid down in the street in compliance with an order from the cops who then shot him because of course they did: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-bla...

A cop in OK used a high-powered rifle to kill a familly's dog that was behind a closed gate in an expansive, open yard because of course he did: https://boingboing.net/2016/07/21/police-fetch-high-powered-rifl.html

Massachusetts cops want a "Black Lives Matter" sign taken down because of course they do: http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Massachusetts-cops-want-Black-Live...

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

hecate's picture

The Hairball has now made it very clear that, after he's done with the Mexicans and the Muslims, he's coming after the black people:

We have tremendous problems when you have policemen being shot in the streets, when you have riots, when you have Ferguson. When you have Baltimore.

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What we have are elected politicians that are major scammers. Their greed and lies are enormous, and they will not give up on their corruption and rigged system that empowers and enriches them. They have lost all decency and common sense when it comes to doing for this country and it's people.

All we have to do is realize how hard the establishment fought Bernie Sanders for laying out the absolute truth about how these politicians have been running in the opposite direction of the Democratic process.

It's just horrendous to hear people in government talk on TV about issues that happen; but, it's just talk because they never intend to do the job they are getting paid to do. It's a circus show. Just now and then throw little tid-bits to the voters so they can keep electing them again and again.

We missed a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity with Bernie Sanders, and for that we can blame the establishment politicians and their election fraud gig.

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TK

Damnit Janet's picture

Florida "cops" shoot an unarmed care giver who splayed out on the street because he was trying to retrieve a 27 year old autistic man who sat out in the street. The videos are all over the net. These cops did not have to shoot.

EVERY witness could see that he was trying to retrieve his client when the "cops" came, EVERYONE tried to get the cops to HELP but instead they shot the caregiver in the leg.

Protect and Serve?? My ass.

This hits home as our son is autistic.

More conversations with our son about how dangerous the "cops" are and how to manages one's day while trying to stay the fuck away such killers.

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

Deja's picture

Just saw this on the news, and I thought of you and your son.

The victim said that when it happened, he asked the cop, "Why did you shoot me?"

Cop replied, "I don't know."

The footage showed the client face down, like they cuffed him! Wtf?

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enhydra lutris's picture

I suspect that it is a conscious thing, to make it appear as if their victim had actually been criminal, dangerous, or both. I suspect that it is also an unconscious dominance thing, like standing with one foot on a trophy animal, or subdued foe, taking a scalp, as it were.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

hecate's picture

because they are shivering, knee-knocking, fear-controlled cowards. Only when a person is cuffed can they be sure that person won't do damage to anyone on The Thin Blue Pants-Shitting Line.

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Damnit Janet's picture

The "cops" are not fit to be near citizens.

The care giver's only concern was that they didn't shoot his client.

I just can't stomach any of it anymore.

Thanks for thinking of my son, ((((Deja)))) It's our worst nightmare. Sadly my dear friend has gone through it. His son was shot on MLK day. An autistic 13 yr old kid.

Cops are out of control.

But I'm sure someone will scold me and tell me "not all cops..." ugh.

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

but then they fucking wonder how shit like Dallas and Baton Rouge happen? My God, how damned dumb do you gotta be to not see that? Even I want to slap that fucking cop right in his arrogant ugly face.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

Damnit Janet's picture

we've had a few close calls and loved ones who have had worse.

I'm sure someone will chime in with how cops have really hard and skeery jobs. How cops are so hated that they hate, too.

How the cops have fee fees and we are hurting their liddle fee fees.

There were one thousands ways the above could have played out and the cops fucked it up. Shooting the guy and slapping cuffs on people .. .while letting him bleed for 20 mins before they allowed him to be cared for...

FTP.

I love my kids. They deserve a country where the "police" aren't their biggest threat.

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shaharazade's picture

piped up the other day and said any body who killed a cop 'would be met the full force of the law'. Not a word about the cops lawless killings. We are an occupied country and any insurgent trouble makers or the 'unworthy' are fair game to kill lock up or terrorize. Not only should the cops not be anywhere near citizens the people who run and own the country should not be allowed to anywhere near the levers of power. I have an autistic granddaughter and I fear for her life as you do your son's. In this country if you are a nail that sticks up you are hammered down as your a threat.

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Damnit Janet's picture

person at the house. The "cops" aren't trained to respond to 911 calls involving a disabled person.

But if the "cops" arrive while we or others are tending to our autistic loved ones, the cops still show up and fuck things up...

Stay safe Shah! You and yours. xoxoxo

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riverlover's picture

And we give them weapons? And military garb? What ever happened to blue uniforms and not this creepy Men-in-Black stuff?
K-9 units? Robot bombs?

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Damnit Janet's picture

I can't tell a cop from a soldier anymore. Obviously they can't tell a situation that needs help or a need to shoot.

We need to do away with the entire police program and restart it with some sanity.

Anyone who can't see that the cops are out of control is just fooling themselves.

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riverlover's picture

Burn much?

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Bisbonian's picture

as runaway slave patrols. I don't think it could possibly be explained any better. http://originalpeople.org/slave-patrols-police/

Banjos were used (as were drums) to send signals, and to give warnings. This song meant that a patrol was in the area, and to watch out.

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shaharazade's picture

Off topic here. My husband a musician a guitar player and song writer told me the other night as we were listening to the Birds that Rodger McQuinn was a banjo player. He was in the Chad Mitchel Trio of folk singing fame. I think this is him on banjo. Made me understand The Birds strange 12 string guitar sound. McGuinn and McGuire couldn't get much higher...

He really is a banjo guy..

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how absolutely disgusting.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

Damnit Janet's picture

Just saw the news reel of the caregiver talking from the hospital... it's awful.

Just so glad that neither were killed.

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NCTim's picture

Let's call the whole thing off.

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

shaharazade's picture

a grift , a scam. I have a land line as I get my wifi from Century Link and I haven't bothered to get rid of the phone account. I have 10 messages on my answering machine right now and they are all from scammers, grifters, and cons. They all have machine voices that threaten me with dire circumstance unless I contact them immediately. The IRS one is outrageous so is my daily call from Gila Corp. Who are these people and why is this legal? Oh yeah, Big dog's 1996 Telecommunication Act. He reformed it.

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