More bizarreness in this election
Submitted by gjohnsit on Thu, 07/21/2016 - 12:35pm
In all my years on this planet, I have never seen anyone do what Ted Cruz did last night.
One of the most emotional moments of the convention so far began with 20,000 loyalists greeting Cruz with thunderous applause and ended with thunderous boos as it became clear a succinct endorsement wasn't coming.
"A big middle finger to this entire convention," said Shaun Ireland, a Texas delegate, just minutes later on the convention floor. "This is the worst possible thing he could have done."
Cruz, infamous in the Senate for a reputation of looking out only for himself, proved again that he was willing to go it alone as the party rallied around Trump during an evening of speeches from Republican heavyweights and some of its most ambitious politicians.
"Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!" Trump said late Wednesday on Twitter.
Uh, yeah. It's a big deal. This is DAY FOUR of the convention. I've never seen the GOP so close to a national meltdown.
As the crowd quickly turned on him, the first-term lawmaker could only muster a pained smile as he left the stage. Security escorted his wife, Heidi, out of the arena after the speech, CNN reported. At least one Trump supporter shouted “Goldman Sachs” at Cruz's wife as she left the floor, the network said, a reference to her role as a managing director at the firm from which she took a leave of absence during her husband's campaign.
Now there's a chant I'd like to hear at the Democratic convention.
Despite this discord, not everyone believes Trump's chances are sunk, including Michael Moore.
Filmmaker Michael Moore is causing a stir with his comments about Donald Trump. The famously liberal Moore says he's sorry to say it, but he thinks the Republican could win the presidency.
In a Wednesday night appearance on an online edition of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher," Moore said he thought the verbal attacks on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton at this week's Republican National Convention play to "a lot of people" Trump has to win over to become president.
"I think Trump is going to win. I'm sorry," he said. "People are in denial of this, but the chance of winning is really, really good."
I'm betting we are only one election cycle away from the Dems having a similar meltdown.
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Why was Cruz speaking
there was a camera and an audience.
Cruz is now in competition with Chuck Schumer, John McCain and I think Cruz wins it for this one!
I think Michael Moore is, terrifyingly, correct. Wake up super delegates.
I completely agree w/Moore
I just happen to have the show and statement on my clipboard for my the Art of the Deal comment
[video:https://youtu.be/3SeDjWOuOyY]
HRC is outraising Trump 30:1 with megadoners and outspending him 40:1 and the best she can do is tie him.
Things will not get better. They can only get worse. People are seeing the full Trump crazy and it's not moving the dial for HRC. If this doesn't move the dial, then nothing will
This is why the Democrats have superdelagates, to override the results of the primary process and ensure that a patently unelectable candidate doesn't get the nomination.
Trump is clearly absolutely "unelectable" and "unsuited" for the job, but if HRC is tied with him? What does that say about HRC? It says she is also unelectable.
We have an election with two unelectable candidates. Wake up and smell the Trump vodka super delegates.
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"I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. "
-Niccolo Machiavelli
"Sorry Hillary"
-TheJerry
Add to the money the campaign is
spending with no result the fact that Obama, Warren and Sanders have now endorsed her and HRC and Trump are STILL tied. And this is before the Rep machine gets really revved up.
The fact that establishment Reps are not endorsing Trump just strengthens his argument as being an outsider, and could be all for show.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Wake up suderdelegates? They won't. They're all pay-to-play
They've paid - with money and loyalty and God only knows what else. They expect something in return.
Given the choice of continuing to support Clinton, or actually switching support to Bernie to win the election, I truly think they'd rather go down with the ship.
Remember Lindsey's comment?
"If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you,"
Guess he didn't improve on his popularity last night. The young turks were amused by it -
22 min but the Cruz stuff is at the start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUO_XGZaRy8
If the foundation "arms for money" scam ever sees the light of day, I agree with Moore, and/or as Palast suggests they have rigged the voter rolls (and machines), we can plan on Prez T-rump.
Here's a great discussion (33 min) between Paul Jay and Bob Scheer about T-rump and the $hill (and Stein and Johnson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5BkcekqemM
It's so good I'll embed it too. Hope you don't mind gjohnsit
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5BkcekqemM]
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Cruz did himself no favors.
The Gooper Prime Directive has always been loyalty to the nominee, and although there are typically divisions in the ranks before the Conventions, Republicans are traditionally much better than Democrats at falling in line behind their candidate afterwards, and that's especially true this year with Hillary running.
That's why I think this double game that Cruz, Kasich, Bush, Romney and all the other Big Bank financed party elites are playing will backfire.
They are hoping to sabotage Trump, blame him for the loss, and then run one of their own against Hillary in 2020. But if Hillary wins, the Gooper freakout will be so intense that anyone who is now so proudly not on board the Trump Express will be the ones cowering in the back when the the rank and file blames them afterward.
Kasich certainly should watch out if he's thinking of throwing Ohio Hillary's way, because elephants have long memories and the only thing they hate more than donkeys are other elephants who wander too far from the herd.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Trump knows what he is doing
I know many of you will not agree with this comment, but he knew Cruz would not support him or my guess is that Cruz did not provide a promise to support him during his speech. Therefore, Trump gave him his time, and made Cruz look like Judas. This attack along with many others just makes Trump stronger- looked at the 17 candidates he beat, with the most votes ever and he just keeps get stronger- look at all the polls. I would compare him to the slow moving lumbering mummy's of the old movies.
I do not care or like Trump, but I truly believe he will believe the Hillary. Because he does not play by the rules, and EVERYONE (establishment- i.e. look at Nate Silver predictions of Trump's demise- at least 7 of them) underestimates him. Trump is a New Yorker (tough people and fighters) plus he is a ruthless business person, dominates/plays the media, his supporters are hardcore/enthusiastic (unlike Hillary's), he is anti-establishment (or that is his brand) and finally he does things his own.
To bad the democrats do not realize this line of thought and keep supporting their flawed candidate. By the way, Trump would be a non factor if anyone else ran against him.
He is a Borderer Strong Man
Those who think he plays by the rules of polite society are going to be rudely awakened on a regular basis.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Nate Silver
The current Nate Silver line on Trump has him with a 39% chance of winning the presidency.
538 Election Forecast
Yes, but it was 20%
That was about 3 to 4 weeks ago. So I guess if you keep hoping and praying for something it might happen By the way, how many Bernie wins did he predict- very few.
Like my grandpa use to say, "a broken clock is right twice a day"- former local steelworkers union president
Agree, Borkrom. Moore's possibly more perceptive than
many on the left, because of several factors. (Which I don't go into, now.)
Anyhoo, I'll reserve my final judgment until I see what the Dems come up with next week. (and 'who' the VP pick is)
Bottom line, even while the MSM has flogged the RNC Convention to death, they continue to comment on the high level of activist energy. After what the Dems have done to Bernie, I'm doubtful that the DNC will be able to match it.
If Repubs are smart, they will use the Trump children a lot in the Rust Belt states (the sons, anyway). Donald Jr was able to do something that certainly Chelsea couldn't come close to--relate to working class men. He was trained in the real estate business on construction sites--and drives a CAT. I think that Trump may win a handful of Rust Belt states by a landslide.
FSC hasn't even driven a car herself since 1996--she told this to a convention of auto dealers--one of her highly paid speeches, I would imagine.
[Edit - Corrected date to 1996/corrected typo/provided a quote/added phrase.]
I'm sorta surprised that this factoid hasn't been flogged to death by the right-wingers.
This is one of the most interesting elections in my lifetime. OTOH, I'll be sorta glad to see it over, for obvious reasons.
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
National Mill Dog Rescue (NMDR) - Dogs Available For Adoption
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Borkrom - I agree with you
think you've expressed what I haven't been able to , even to myself ( too scary) - don't think the Clintons know what they're facing - they're just playing by their very very old script, or what they could copy from Bernie.
Laughable, especially when Democrats still talk about "unity." Delusional.
If nothing else
Cruz's speech prompted Hillary to encourage all of us to vote our conscience.
https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/755967178285907968
Oh, I know I will vote my conscience...with a vengeance. I hope everyone does.
Even the smallest person can change the course of the future
i'm sorry you
had to see that. if you need serious psychological counseling, or a valium scrip, i'm sure the folks here would be happy to pitch a few bucks. i would.
oh..
the speech. you were talking about the speech.
well this is awkward.
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This won't help either:
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
OH GOOD GOD
GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG
The trees... We're dooooomed!
The trees... We're dooooomed! ----------
Trump-phobia is still for rubes.
Let's review:
1) Trump is not running a serious campaign.
2) Clinton does not have to win more than one swing state.
3) The Repub elites don't like Trump, and the feeling is mutual.
4) The Repubs have a far more successful "third party" alternative (Johnson) than do the Dems (Stein).
5) Trump is a crook, and thus liable to impeachment -- never mind his unpopularity even with Republican Congresses.
6) Trump is not half as bright as Clinton, whose connections may prove useful if the election were to be rigged.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
i don't know
how much people like joe rogan, but for me he's really pretty even handed across the board, as long as you can take the manly-man thing. he's got a pretty comprehensive interview with johnson, who comes off like a pretty genuine guy. progressives and libertarians actually have quite a few things in common.
it's long, but if you're interested in gary johnson at all you should definitely check this out.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQIuHGbKckY]
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Hear him all the time on POTUS--an uber fiscal conservative! NT
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
yet
he talks at length about raising revenue, perhaps through legalizing/taxing drugs. that seems like it might be better than incarcerating cokeheads.
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He was an interesting governor.
Although I knew him, I didn't vote for him when he ran the first time. He ran against a popular dem, but upset him. He would refuse to sign the "feed bill," which was the first bill passed by the legislators to pay for the session. He refused to sign it until he got stuff he wanted and he always did. He vetoed bill after bill, but he really improved out state and tried to get marijuana legalized in the late 90's! I voted for him for the second term because I liked what he was doing. He was effective, pure and simple. Raggedy Andy says he will vote for him. I'm for Stein, but I'm not throwing out the possibility of Johnson. He's actually pretty popular in the state and could take New Mexico, which would throw a wrench in the electoral college.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Well, we reject any fiscal austerian policy to slash Social
Security.
I've heard Johnson in radio interviews heavily on the POTUS Channel (with libertarian-leaning talk hosts) in the past month.
Certainly, I agree with a number of his stances on some social issues.
But, one of his major concerns is 'cutting the deficit'--on the backs of the poor and elderly, by downsizing so-called 'entitlement' programs.
BTW, his stance regarding prison reform is in keeping with many Repubs and Dems. Even the Koch Brothers--because they want to slash spending on incarceration--are calling for major prison reforms. Which, of course, are long overdue. And I favor them.
But, IMO, that's no reason to elect someone who's core message is cutting the deficit on backs of the most vulnerable.
Heck, if that's what I wanted--I'd just vote for FSC!
Seriously, if you have access to XM Radio, please check out the podcasts of his interviews on the POTUS Channel. XM Radio is paywalled, of course. Or, I would gladly post them here, so that everyone could hear him.
[Edit: 'in' should have been 'him'--changed it to Johnson]
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
National Mill Dog Rescue (NMDR) - Dogs Available For Adoption
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
#2 is wrong
Trump is fighting under a new coalition, He can win the white labor vote that used to be democrat.
It is very believable that he could sweep the rust belt and change the shape of the electoral map.
Believe what you want.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-path-victory-224228
and this considering:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/06/2...
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
If the blue wall holds.....
Politico article says it all.
Their are polls showing her behind in PA, that state is part of said "blue wall". He is beating her in FL, to another sign of things not going so well.
If Trump can pickup a section of the white vote that typically votes Democrat, aka the labor vote, and through an ugly general election season make people in general not want to come out at all for anyone, he can win. And don't kid yourself, Clinton is an easy target for mud throwing. This years election is going to be ugly.
So you're basing the idea of a Trump victory --
on some idle guess about "if he can pick up..." OK, so where's his campaign? That's right, he doesn't have one.
Trump is going to lose, and so far nobody who's argued against this has presented any hard evidence to show otherwise.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
But...
Keeping the voting base in a panic thinking this election is a neck and neck horse race sells better!
hard evidence
There's very little hard evidence at this point. $$Hillary is in free-fall in some of the swing states, losing 11 points in weeks in one.
And I'm not sure Trump needs much of a campaign. Those for him or $$Hillary are pretty locked-in at this point, and it's those that aren't that will decide the winner, and many of those people aren't going to be affected much by expensive ad's on the TV box.
This DNCleaks business may be the final nail in the coffin for the $$Hillary camp, as the remaining Berners join the bluetogreen movement, or decide to follow-through on the 'bust' part of Bernie or Bust.
Yes, it's a lot of may-bes, but I honestly think Trump has a 50-50 chance, what with the terrible pick of Kaine for Veep, and the surge of support for Jill Stein.
I haven't seen anyone disprove the statement that $$Hillary's numbers always keep trending down. And they can't go much lower if she's going to win.
Honestly, I can't believe that the Dems have allowed this to become a contest. IMO all they had to do was feign sincerity of support for Sander's ideas, and make enthusiastic noises about progressivism for a few months before returning to their usual corporate grifting, and they'd beat Trump going away. But apparently $$Hillary and DWS just couldn't bring themselves to make nice with Bernie after he hurt their fee-fees, so they'd rather embrace the 'moderate' GOP voters instead.
This election is insanity, and it's going to get so much worse.
We have yet to see the worst of Trump-phobia.
But don't worry, it's coming.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Ain't it the truth.
Ain't it the truth.
My inbox is a taste of the inanity to come.
Every day there's some new "Trump...KKK" headline shouting at me from my inbox, it's pathetic. And most of it is from one of the 6 billion DNC fundraising front-groups, like 'End Citizen's United', which is now quite literally nothing but a fundraising org for the DNC.
I wonder what their freakout spin will be when Trump promises during a debate NOT to bomb Syria and go to war with Russia? I suppose they'll go all 'war is peace, truth is a lie, poor is rich...' on us.
Cruz video
Loalty oaths all around! Has no one figured tribal loyalty?
Hard to get 100 million people under one roof. Thank goodness. Burn it down.
We get a new County DA without a timely election, last one resigned for health reasons (fer real!). That's about the level of election that works in a small city. Beyond that, there lie monsters.
If need be, buy and can tomatoes. A long winter approaches. Severe drought for me on a private well. I dare not water, can't test the well recharge capacity.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
reagan did not endorse ford
at the 1976 convention, nor at any time thereafter.
Humphrey did not endorse McGovern at the 1972 convention, waiting until mid-October to offer tepid support.
Rockefeller did not endorse Goldwater at the 1964 convention. Far from it.
For Cruz' alleged "middle finger," and the accompanying "thunderous boos," these pale beside Rockefeller's remarks, and the reaction:
Nelson R would throw up in his grave if he saw
what constitutes the (G)reed (O)ver (P)eople Party now.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Rockefeller launched drug-war mandatory sentencing,
a profitable pillar of the private-prison-industrial complex we have now. His legacy is a terribly authoritarian one.
http://www.npr.org/2013/02/14/171822608/the-drug-laws-that-changed-how-w...
not surprising
the mid-70's were a time of major pushback against 'weak' liberal sentencing, especially in the urban areas of NY.