Having said, welcome to the club and keep up the good fight. Click "accept", wait it out, and don't change a thing. I always felt it was my duty to hang on as long as I could, not for myself- I stopped caring after my first banishment, but for others who need what education and support you can give.
Chin up, and don't call Denise Oliver Velez a rapist apologist even though she is.
ps. It was Meteor Blades, he signs off on all the high profile posters even though he lies about it.
If they ever let me come back without forcing me to click the stupid "acknowledge" button, I might go do some free speech over there. Who the heck is left there that can write beside those on the staff?
So They have bounced you out. But for readers your diaries remain. Those are an educational service for those who might think. The between Kool Aid molecules who can still be interested enough to read and begin to think for themselves.
A missionary you might be.
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belittleling one's intelligence that I started to get angry with that stupid site and left deliberately. I have nothing to write like most of the high profile writers do, so it didn't matter. I just don't like to read there anymore. I sometimes twitter MB's green diary compilation of others. That's all. I think it's a waste of emotional energy to go over there like a masochist, knowing that what you experience there in the threads is causing anger. What for?
I liked the quote of NCTim in today's Open Thread by McKenna.
And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world.”
Don't want to play that game anymore. Nowhere. Even not here, sometimes.
I can probably at least guess parts of their identity since I'm not sure I can think who embodies the hideous nature of identity politics more than DEO.
I pointed out that blacks are worse off after 8 years of Obama in relationship to whites, and then I backed it up with numbers, including a quote from the President of the NAACP.
For some reason pointing out this fact is racially insensitive.
I'm betting most blacks think it's worth talking about.
Zhen Ren, while self admittedly drunk, started harassing triv33. Shortly after triv wrote a response diary where she recounted her actual factual rape experience and related it to the way Zhen's attack made her feel. Zhen, still drunk, zoomed in and started abusing her again and her other friends and I were back at the barricades.
Then Denise Oliver Velez dropped by and because Zhen was part of her Black Kos posse started making excuses, among them that triv's rape experience was not real.
So I called her a rapist apologist.
Now you have to understand that the entire power structure of DK already hated me because I reverse engineered their system and wrote about it publicly on site so anyone who wanted to would know how things worked and I'd been banished once before for calling Mike S a 'Good German' because he defended Obama's suppression of the Abu Ghraib torture photographs (Meteor Blades asked me to return, I shouldn't have), so it wasn't a real big shock.
Only thing I liked about the damn place anyway was TiaRachel's Daily Show Diaries.
and her answer to everything is the Racist Card. Yes her and her posse are like a pack of Hyenas. Don't go walking thru Kosland alone. They will gang up and cut you.
I haven't been over there in months and my Kos PTSD is all but gone. (takes a deep breath and thinks it's a beautiful day today.) Hahaha.
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into their nest after he outed a private Facebook group and threatened to post private emails of non-bots. He was still nasty the next day when one assumes he was sober. We couldn't stand him anymore but he had Deo and her groupies as his new friends. Creepiness personified.
is more of a functional reference to a white waxy paste smeared over racist identity politics to mask the natural odor and make them smell less foul. Commonly containing aluminum, long-term exposure is thought to cause senility.
I've admired your ability to provide constructive criticism to that lot of fools without raising a justifiable shit storm. But, alas and alack, you have become a liability. It hurts them too much when reason prevails over the general emo caterwauling they use as a shield from said reason.
After the jackpine radicals outed Markos, labeling him a SJW, I figure GOS has slid so far down the ladder that you are wasting your breath or keystrokes, there.
You are appreciated here.
PS. What plagiarism? You cite everything.
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John Cage
On a recent diary I used several links from some other blog. No actual words. Just links.
Which isn't any definition of plagerism that I know of.
The other blog wanted credit anyway, eventhough my diary was 70% unrelated items.
The other charges are true: I've been bad-mouthing the Democratic Party and DKos, and I don't respect Identity Politics.
Either way, I've cut down my number of diaries from 1566 to 718 at TOP.
They may have noticed.
When the TO is over I'll get more serious deleting the rest.
Then they can go fuck themselves.
Your back catalog is of no benefit to them, nobody looks besides yourself and your friends, comments and recs are closed.
For you it represents your history and I wouldn't be so quick to dispose of it. The only thing it makes difficult for the drones is providing context outside any comment threads in their history, it doesn't disappear the comments or the incestuous tips.
But it does the same for any of your friends, and having followed you for years (albeit mostly silently) I'd say you have far more of those than detractors.
Hmmm. I wonder why they'd care if one deletes their own diaries?
Poor Poor Markos. I know he knows he's in the shit and his crack head team of unpaid interns along with his dedicated groupie/moderators are hard at work defending his honor!
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who wants to use them. While my presence there is not in the same class as you in many, many ways, I didn't want to leave my things there exposed to any malcontent that wanted to paw through them for whatever reason.
If DEO and the porchers say you're a racist, you're a racist. Only they get to decide. I've often asked that group of paid party trolls who and what is a good Democrat, and who gets to decide who gets to decide? If you aren't a "yes man", I think that makes you a misfit and a bad Democrat. Kos gets paid to shill the party line, I don't.
Great diary gjohnsit. Tipped, rec'd, FB'd and tweeted.
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is that your diary is still on the wreck list and that it was one of your best diaries. The people who had a problem with it only picked out the part about how Blacks are economically worse since Obama has been president.
I've seen that statistic on many other articles, but it's not just Blacks who are worse off economically.
The number of people people on social programs such as food stamps have gone up dramatically under his tenure. Including many members of the military.
It's been well documented that income inequality has gotten worse and is as bad as it was in 1932.
That statistic can't be blamed on congress alone.
If Obamas's two heads of the justice department had held the CEOs of the banks accountable for causing the global economic crisis and charged them with the fraud they committed instead of just slapping them with a few millions in fines, then they wouldn't have continued committing fraud while millions of people continued to lose their homes.
Instead Obama sat back and watched the banks continue to illegally foreclosure on people's homes.
Lynch also couldn't be bothered charging the banks that were laundering drug money for the cartels.
And it seems that no one in the doj had a problem with Hillary's state department fixing many financial institutions problems with the state department and then seeing both Bill and their foundation profit from it even though she had promised to keep her foundation separate from her duties as SOS.
Did anyone see the person who's avatar is Caucus99?
That person was accusing Mahail Overdrive of being the creator of this site, no matter how many times he was corrected.
As I have written before people from there read what we write here and then report back to their cliques about what we write.
This site is full of misogynistic, sexist Hillary haters according to many people over there.
And we are also racist because we don't like what Obama is doing in the Middle East and elsewhere.
It's also acceptable now over there for some people to tell others to fuck off when it used to be a flag able comment as well as the people who rec the comment.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
So when do you figure they'll take you off of "time out"?
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I am not sure that then they gave end dates for punishment. It seems more like banishing.
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They will ask you to apologize to the nice neoliberals whose fee-fees you hurt. At any rate, if you are in time out (and here I'm addressing gjohnsit and riverlover at least), you should apologize, and then thereafter promptly delete all of your diaries and transfer their contents (when necessary) to a WordPress blog.
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what you post here?
I have seen many comments about what people wrote on this site mentioned over there.
The childish behavior of people running back to tell them how naughty we are here because we don't buy the party line.
If DK was actually in line with the mission statement of electing better democrats, then they would have gotten behind Bernie because he's seems to be the only person who is standing for the things that the democrats used to stand for.
Hillary's triangulation isn't a democratic value.
Putting millions of people into poverty, invading countries and killing innocent civilians by either the use of drones or by the military used to be what people over think used to be against.
I watched many of those members say that OBAMA was right for destroying Libya and had no problem with Hillary laughing at Gaddafi's brutal death.
They can't or won't admit that the DP has sold us out and that they aren't any different from the republicans except for some social issues.
Everything else they are on board with them.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Other than that, we've got a uniparty at this point where the only thing they really do is siphon more wealth to the overlords while they continue to manipulate the rest of us.
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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
How many eyeballs can I get refuting me if I make THIS incredibly false statement?
I state this after a person told me, with complete conviction, that Doctor Who was a racist, and sexist, and homophobic show which celebrated British Imperialism.
I think a lot of people KNOW they're spouting complete bullshit. The secret is that they've convinced everybody else that all the academic people know this bullshit to be roses, and if you smell shit, you're clearly unintelligent.
I am a nobody and I got a very short time out for something incredibly trivial. Maybe that was back when they were just trying to workout the details. Then one day I found that passive-aggressive pop-up in my face. I simply could not "click" that acknowledgement. If they had provided a way generate a substantive reply, I suppose I would have gotten arrested for terroristic threats.
With our reaction to what is going on at TOP. Reason I still don't bother going.
I have no interest in pop-up ads and demands that I sign petitions as the cost of entering their hallowed halls. (For future reference, I refer to walls smeared with feces as "Hallowed".)
You got sandbagged by Denise Oliver Velez's Black Kos goon squad and then made the mistake of quoting Tale of Two Cities (Public Domain btw) without attribution.
Any criticism of Hillary wasn't based on what people wrote about her actions, but that people couldn't stand to see a woman become president.
No matter that many of the articles we linked to came from what used to be acknowledged progressive websites, the attacks on her was only because she is a woman.
Same as any attack against what OBAMA did or his policies that were the same as the Bush policies, we were accused of being racists.
There is no room for any dissent or criticism of the anointed ones there.
It's sad to see so many people believe our governments propaganda.
They used to know better.
But then how many are just following what Kos writes?
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
What's the word limit for comments there? I've got a hankering for pulling the entire text from Gutenberg and posting one massive block quote. Google tells me the whole book is 135,420 words.
back to Catholic HS and jr high when I have to read stuff like this.
"We've fielded numerous complaints...about your participation here."
Holy shit. All of a sudden I can remember what it was like again, to be a mischievous, hormone-exploding, rock n roll-loving teenaged boy pent up in such an environment, having to report to the office to be interrogated by nuns. The more I can glean from that message (can barely read it) the more disgusted it makes me and riles up more deserved mocking than I'm up for at the moment. Time-outs, etc. What kind of authoritarian, dumbed-down, childish parameters do these clowns run their little boot-licking site on?
And there's that Loyalty allusion again. Must keep the Oath of the Democratic Party site. Well, I for one despise Oathkeepers and said so in my piece at TOP, "As Another Pissed Off Liberal There Are Some Things I'm Not Interested In." Along with dallasdoc we were the only two writers there who surpassed 1000 rec's in the past year or two. Confirming get again there were way more of there who identified with the pronounced principles and values here at C99, than the small but vocal Neoliberal pestilence that invaded TOP; but they drove all of us away. Good thing that was settled. I can't see myself going back.
For those interested and not wanting to go back to give them the click from the link above (I wouldn't), here's how the essay started:
There are some things I’m not interested in as an eight year trusted user here.
I’m not interested in getting the school letter to put on my DK varsity sweater, or wearing the blue Dem uniform, if it requires a Loyalty oath. Oathkeepers and their ilk make me sick. Witch hunts, whether conducted by paranoid and delusionary RW conservative Senators or intolerant religious folks in Salem or by white supremacist racists in Nazi Germany or white-hooded Confederate businessmen and cops in the South, revolt me.
I’m not interested at all in the Front Page’s insistence on shooting-Repugs-in-a-barrel ad nauseuem. I’m also not interested in fear-based motivation that lies at the heart of incrementalism as a strategy.
But there is a simple, stark truth often overlooked here of which I am very interested in.
And that is, we only exist as Americans because we stared down the Loyalists and fought our oppressors in a revolution. The greatest Democratic president in our history, F.D.R., reminded us to “remember always that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrants and revolutionaries.” There is only one presidential candidate who speaks of revolution today.
These are the kinds of things I’m interested in:
I’m interested in why there’s chronic dysfunction and a Revolving Door in DC.
I’m interested in why my country administers healthcare through for-profit insurance companies.
I’m interested in why my democracy requires the endless dialing-for dollars by elected officials to do the work of The People.
I'm interested in why my friends can’t afford the ever-rising rents and cost of living because we won't challenge the malignancy of an economic system in which the end game is rigged to concentrate wealth in the hands of a greedy financial and real estate cabal.
I’m interested in why the CEO of Con Edison makes $10 million a year in a sector everybody relies upon that should mandate it it collectively owned by the public as a non-profit.
I’m interested in fighting against the vested interest of a power elite which have turned our political system into an auction house sold to the highest bidder of campaign “donations.”
I’m interested in exposing a system which has forced my friends to have to go to other countries to get prescription drugs and surgery because it’s too costly here...
That’s where my loyalty lies. Not to any website or political party or my own ethnicity or the college I graduated from. Whoever speaks that language clearly and unequivocally will earn my fealty. We will stand and fight together.
My loyalty is to the dispossessed, the marginalized, the downtrodden, the unjustly imprisoned. My loyalty is to the great mass of people forced into the desperate shadows of un/under-employment, hunger, not being able to spend time with their children, working while sick and not able to take proper vacations. To the poor folks harassed, beaten and killed by the cops...
They were so deathly afraid of real-life conversations about economic inequality and the everyday travails of the majority of Americans, for fear that their team might lose if regular Americans would be awakened to their fraud by people like those currently at C99.
I'm so glad it became so glaringly obvious that those liars, dupes and blind cheerleaders roved to be nothing but sellout corporatists, Republicans in drag, "fiscally conservative and socially liberal," who got their comeuppance big-time this year, finally. They make me want to puke. Fuck those people. Let it be known from here on out: there's no two ways about it, they gave us Trump. Full-stop.
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FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
engaged in that community over there and left under ethical duress. Lots and lots of people were able to stay, don't forget, under the same duress. Those who stayed had no ethical problem with being told how to vote and how to think, and also had no ethical issue with applying the duress to other community members.
It means something, to get TOd, to get HRd, to get NRd, to get banned, even when it happens at a place that's gone as badly off the rails as the GOS has. Some folks act like it means nothing. imo ostracism by and from any community is a really powerful tool, it is supposed to make you pull yourself back in line. Straighten up and think the way you know you are supposed to.
Anyway, fwiw, I've been reading and enjoying your essays here. Glad you still have a place to be.
like Hillary and W and practised until I was 14, though I was a proclaimed atheist at 12, because we had a Duckpin Bowling Alley in the basement of the Church where the 7th grade Sunday Schoolers met and I wanted to play (alas not part of the curriculum). Also I liked Choir and the Theatricals.
In defense of Methodism it has a strong Social Justice component since it was evangelized among African-American Slaves. On the down side it is a Fundamentalist faith (albeit relatively old).
I was never a Scientologist or a Mormon and I'd be happy to discuss the fakeness of all religions in general or any religion in particular every Sunday except this one because I'm not a Richard Dawson/Bill Maher "New Atheist" type who enjoys shitting in people's punchbowls.
I have long regarded that blog-cult in the same way I do the Republican presidential debates: They are both shameful spectacles that make me squirm with embarrassment.
In the real world, I always hid any connection I had with it. From the beginning I would stop periodically and remove every word I wrote there with meticulous care. Once my Diary area was clear, I would feel clean again. I also felt safer knowing that my writing could not be permanently displayed in that Internet dive, against my will. That idea horrified me; it would be a violation of my privacy. My self-editing did eventually pay off.
My reasons for being there were good, relative to my own growth. And there were many talented and worthwhile people. Most could not see we were mingling in very rancid virtual space, created by slacker software with a corrupt user interface. The algorithms of "reward" produced ugliness in people and generated reflexive bullying hate in the social fibers that formed there. Software is a powerful thing, and it might have been responsible for the grave distortions in the personalities of those who worked the back office. Whatever the inception of the poisonous atmosphere, once it was established it actively deformed the natural paths to conscious evolution. It left everyone it touched a little diminished.
The self-sickness of that blog-cult is a known thing in certain circles. So, given my own work and my own personal "identity politics" (heh) — I worked to avoid any embarrassment that might come from an association with the place. Not even Hillary wanted to get too close.
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TOP is for one person to make money by wielding the appearance of influence by selling e-mail lists. And for a handful of other people to make their livings by assisting. Cuz it's not so easy to make a living anymoah, on accounta the sell-off of our way of life by the bad guys.
Anyone who signs a petition over there is, imo, by definition, not as smart as an average cartoon bear. The community ovah theah is finally arriving at the end of their post-murtum discussion about whether or not the democratic party has a prublum. They seam to think it don't. Whew, what a relief ! The selling off of Amercun Democracy is everyone elses' fault ! Dun't blame the guy selling the lists !
Many users over there come to view what they call "the community" as just that, a real live cuddly-wuddly community where all right-thinking democratics are welcome. This in spite of the disappearances, the heavy handed "justice", the willingness to toy with other democratics in the name of troll control, the cliquesters who conspire at the cess pool (aka the help desk) to get other members banned. That "help desk" should be labeled "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here: Waders required beyond this point". It doesn't get any uglier anywhere on the internet: the GOS help desk threads are not moderated and anything gos. That's where I have seen the lordiest and ladiest of orange fruit flies a-leaping. The cruelty there is so blatant that it gives a sense that some of those orange fruit flies are not really theah to elect moah and bettah democratics: you will know them by their (rooty-tooty-fruity fly) acts.
So hats off to you and to GJS and so many others who landed here, for remembering what you were doing over there. Not everyone does.
…worlds there. I only spoke of one, which happened to be aligned to a website project I was working on. I originally went there to look at the softwear being used for the online community blog. I knew the developer at that time. I was not very familiar with the topics being discussed.
I will stick with my demonization of the software, though. The community moderation system was designed for abuse and bulling. Public shaming was institutionalized. Cooperative voting among small gangs could torment or silence anyone. It turned more than a few people into monsters. Some of the most vulnerable were tormented. All this was inspired and automated by the customized interactive software.
The software created a culture. Years later I would see first hand a migration of long time users caused by that culture run amok. Among those who came here were people gravely changed by the experience. They were defenseless and unprepared to be jettisoned from the social culture. It was not about politics. It was savage battleground and the behaviors turned evil. For that, I blame the software and the sociopathy of the back office. (But more on that another time.)
You are right. I overlooked the site's monetization scheme. I saw that side of the website as a political boutique for amateur activists, and ignored it. The direct financial exploits of users must have been considerable. The secondary exploit, where user's identities were rented or sold — psychodollars — must have been a bonanza while it lasted. Thanks for the heads-up on that.
Mostly I saw a buzzkill for the hearts and minds of those people who were seeking fulfillment of their humanity. That's a type of maliciousness I cannot analyze. I don't have the proper genetic disposition to mind-meld with something that alien.
I regarded the site as the think tank lab it was designed to be. A controlled test market for political framing, propaganda, memes, candidates, policies, and retreads like racism and misogyny.
You know, that place is not the Democratic Party. Not even close. Hillary wouldn't be caught dead there. It's a mosh pit. It's not something you would want to mention on your resume. The fine print reads like the WWE:
As with other professional political promotional companies, DKE [Daily Kos Elections] Promotions is not connected to legitimate contests, but is purely entertainment-based, featuring storyline-driven, scripted, and coordinated matches.
This was first publicly acknowledged by the owner in 2006 to avoid regulations from electoral commissions. DKE publicly has branded their product as election entertainment, acknowledging the product's roots in competitive politics and dramatic theater.
It's hard to know where their political loyalties lie, if any exist. They have done so much cumulative harm to the Democratic brand that one might believe they are a tool array that belongs to the opposition. But when viewing them through the corporate lens, they appear to have the same core values as Hillary, who would speak at the opening of a door if there was enough money in it.
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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
on the Rec List and thinking, "Well, look at that, good for GJ!"
Personally, I think your comments about identity politics in the diary and in the comments were harmless, as well as a small part of a large whole trying to make sense of where this country is going and what might be why it happened. And you didn't say anything in this diary about deleting or not wanting to be a part of it - someone's holding a grudge?
Ah well. This too shall pass. In a week!
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Some are just slow to realize they were robbed, until they can recall what they had. When they get their head out of the sand, they know where to find C99.
Heard so many respected people irl say the word "inevitable" and were convinced before the election. No mention of alternative possibilities Thankfully, none were engineers Perhaps, magical thinking is now the only thing the DP offers? Wonder if the CFPB can be interested in repatriating political donations to donors from a political entity engaged in political malpractice and deceptive acts?
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Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever
I joined it with my last post over there. Was put on TO for telling a newbie GFY for blaming me for Trump (quoting my own diary at him), and then my post sat at the top of their Rec List for the entire following day. That generated a lot of intense criticism of Markos, and over a dozen new user registrations over here.
Greywolfe also got banned for his wonderful diary casting Bernie as Gandalf and Hillary as Saruman. Popular outrage over there forced them to rescind the banning.
DK is turning itself into MSDNC, so tiresomely in the bag for Clintonites politics that it's marginalizing itself out of the marketplace of ideas. Everywhere it is mentioned it is a laughing stock. Your TO is contributing to that process of self-disqualification. Congratulations. Posting your splendid essay over there did that good. At got you a lot more sympathetic readers than I expected it would.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
I have never been banned or even TO'd at TOP. I post for a while and then get disgusted and quit. Sometime heavy lurking has been enough to make me back away. Between occasions when I posted I usually forgot my password so I have used several names over there. Even though I could not read the hidden comments, the viciousness of the gangs and the favoritism quickly becomes obvious.
If the goal is really to elect more and better Dems, the hatefulness at TOP always makes me wonder why I ever bother to vote for Dems. Legitimate criticisms of the currently favored candidate are viciously suppressed. How can problems be solved it they are not acknowledged?
The rampant use of words like sexism and racism as generic insults destroys their true meaning and prevents acknowledgement and discussion of the actual devastation assorted -isms cause. We are unlikely to find solutions if it is no longer possible to discuss the problems. If Denise wants to know why Hillary lost she should go look in the mirror. I always stayed as far away from her and her gang as I could get. I say this as a physically handicapped female with minority ethnicity. It is never OK to attack others for the identities they were born with. Even a white guy deserves to be judged for the content of his character, not the color of his skin. Maybe I should post this at TOP so I can join the I-Got-Banned Club.
It is a relief to find the thoughtful people who want to solve problems instead of demanding complete, mind-controlling obedience. Thanks Dallasdoc for posting the Goodbye Cruel World that let me find so many of you who were disappeared.
Dallasdoc is still a 5 Bar in good standing, at least as far as these eyes can see.
And curse you for making me look, again.
I, uh, betrayed my wife. I betrayed myself. I've killed men, and I ordered men to be killed. No, it's useless. I killed... I ordered the death of my brother; he injured me. I killed my mother's son. I killed my father's son.
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Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.
I have been looking for the place where some of you went after you were banned and/or quit in disgust. This place was mentioned in a rebuttal diary about Dallas docs last diary. Normally I would have lurked here longer before signing up, but I recognized some of your 'names'. I also read a few threads and was relieved at both the civility and the freedom to consider ideas without worrying that they could be considered anti-DNC.
The really interesting thing to me is that some people who are sometimes touchy or aggressive over there are much more mellow and polite here. (I am not talking about you, but you have probably noticed this about some people here.) I am still trying to figure out the mechanics that keep c99 civil without heavy-handed moderation.
I am mostly interested in working together to solve problems and would like to see cooperation between progressives whether they are Dem, Independent or Green.
you're not talking about me because I strive for a consistent level of obnoxiousness.
I dunno, I've moderated several sites and rarely have to do anything at all except spam removal. They could do a much better job at DK (or I could, but I don't delude myself I'm somebody special) because they have the tools to do it (I've explained several times, publicly and privately). I think that for whatever reason, and I'm not a mind reader, that they're happy with the way things are.
There was a rec-listed diary written by someone who freaked out about sitting next to a Republican while Christmas shopping. Apparently, he is happy that he doesn't know any Republicans and never has to interact with them. It's not healthy to live in a bubble where your beliefs are never challenged. I teach my students that diversity is about a lot more than skin color and religion.
It used to be that you could post whatever you want as long as you didn't advocate voting against Democrats. Now you can't be too critical of Democrats. And you can't say anything that has also been repeated by a Republican. They just want to plug their fingers in their ears and pretend that everything that they don't like is about racism and sexism. They were robbed. They are victims. They are awesome. And everyone who disagrees is stupid.
to the churches. the government collected taxes from the citizens, which were then handed to the churches (based, i think, on the indicated faiths of the taxpayers). so the protestants attended protestant schools, the catholics attended catholic schools, and the jews attended jewish schools. (no idea how detailed the procedure went, as far as recognizing sects of protestantism or judaism, or even roman catholic versus eastern orthodox).
creating a society in which all children were raised and educated only amongst the children who shared their religious beliefs turns out not to have necessarily been a great idea.
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I haven't been over there in ages. Last time I looked, I wasn't banned/bojo'ed, etc. I don't do diaries so that's probably why. DOV is a hot head with a thin skin. I posted a comment a couple of years ago to one of her diaries saying that All Lives Matter is not some FRWingnut meme. Man, you would have thought I posted an invite to join the KKK! That did it. I begin to gradually withdraw. Besides, there are PLENTY of blogs that I can join w/out dealing with that crap! I do miss bobswern, the environmental diaries and MB. But, not that much now. Rec'd!!
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Crap.
Now you're gonna make me look. I hate that.
Having said, welcome to the club and keep up the good fight. Click "accept", wait it out, and don't change a thing. I always felt it was my duty to hang on as long as I could, not for myself- I stopped caring after my first banishment, but for others who need what education and support you can give.
Chin up, and don't call Denise Oliver Velez a rapist apologist even though she is.
ps. It was Meteor Blades, he signs off on all the high profile posters even though he lies about it.
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I have never been able to bring myself to click "acknowledge"
If they ever let me come back without forcing me to click the stupid "acknowledge" button, I might go do some free speech over there. Who the heck is left there that can write beside those on the staff?
Beware the bullshit factories.
I feel you
but I'm not gonna let them get away with using my work for something I think is wrong, and then judging me.
Completely understandable /nt
Beware the bullshit factories.
Attempt to be teacher-like, to feel better
So They have bounced you out. But for readers your diaries remain. Those are an educational service for those who might think. The between Kool Aid molecules who can still be interested enough to read and begin to think for themselves.
A missionary you might be.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I found the "acknowledge" part of it so ridiculous and
belittleling one's intelligence that I started to get angry with that stupid site and left deliberately. I have nothing to write like most of the high profile writers do, so it didn't matter. I just don't like to read there anymore. I sometimes twitter MB's green diary compilation of others. That's all. I think it's a waste of emotional energy to go over there like a masochist, knowing that what you experience there in the threads is causing anger. What for?
I liked the quote of NCTim in today's Open Thread by McKenna.
Don't want to play that game anymore. Nowhere. Even not here, sometimes.
https://www.euronews.com/live
I certainly do not "acknowledge" their bullshit
It's bullshit and I don't accept it as valid. It's even more bullshit that they want me to "acknowledge" their bullshit.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Who was DEO defending?
I can probably at least guess parts of their identity since I'm not sure I can think who embodies the hideous nature of identity politics more than DEO.
I know what that was about
I pointed out that blacks are worse off after 8 years of Obama in relationship to whites, and then I backed it up with numbers, including a quote from the President of the NAACP.
For some reason pointing out this fact is racially insensitive.
I'm betting most blacks think it's worth talking about.
Are you talking to me?
Zhen Ren, while self admittedly drunk, started harassing triv33. Shortly after triv wrote a response diary where she recounted her actual factual rape experience and related it to the way Zhen's attack made her feel. Zhen, still drunk, zoomed in and started abusing her again and her other friends and I were back at the barricades.
Then Denise Oliver Velez dropped by and because Zhen was part of her Black Kos posse started making excuses, among them that triv's rape experience was not real.
So I called her a rapist apologist.
Now you have to understand that the entire power structure of DK already hated me because I reverse engineered their system and wrote about it publicly on site so anyone who wanted to would know how things worked and I'd been banished once before for calling Mike S a 'Good German' because he defended Obama's suppression of the Abu Ghraib torture photographs (Meteor Blades asked me to return, I shouldn't have), so it wasn't a real big shock.
Only thing I liked about the damn place anyway was TiaRachel's Daily Show Diaries.
DEO is such a Mean Ass Attack Dog
and her answer to everything is the Racist Card. Yes her and her posse are like a pack of Hyenas. Don't go walking thru Kosland alone. They will gang up and cut you.
I haven't been over there in months and my Kos PTSD is all but gone. (takes a deep breath and thinks it's a beautiful day today.) Hahaha.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
The bots welcomed ZR
into their nest after he outed a private Facebook group and threatened to post private emails of non-bots. He was still nasty the next day when one assumes he was sober. We couldn't stand him anymore but he had Deo and her groupies as his new friends. Creepiness personified.
To thine own self be true.
What does DEO mean?
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Denise Oliver, dkos denizen, I believe. I'm not sure though as her middle initial is V.
I considered that but...
...like you point out, the letters don't match.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Hate to give the clicks, but...
Read away.
I have experienced The Denise
at Orange State
, but is that what DOE refers?
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
I believe so. eom
I believe DEO
is more of a functional reference to a white waxy paste smeared over racist identity politics to mask the natural odor and make them smell less foul. Commonly containing aluminum, long-term exposure is thought to cause senility.
Then they have reached a new low, gjohn
I've admired your ability to provide constructive criticism to that lot of fools without raising a justifiable shit storm. But, alas and alack, you have become a liability. It hurts them too much when reason prevails over the general emo caterwauling they use as a shield from said reason.
After the jackpine radicals outed Markos, labeling him a SJW, I figure GOS has slid so far down the ladder that you are wasting your breath or keystrokes, there.
You are appreciated here.
PS. What plagiarism? You cite everything.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
The plagrism charge was crap
On a recent diary I used several links from some other blog.
No actual words. Just links.
Which isn't any definition of plagerism that I know of.
The other blog wanted credit anyway, eventhough my diary was 70% unrelated items.
The other charges are true: I've been bad-mouthing the Democratic Party and DKos, and I don't respect Identity Politics.
Either way, I've cut down my number of diaries from 1566 to 718 at TOP.
They may have noticed.
When the TO is over I'll get more serious deleting the rest.
Then they can go fuck themselves.
Keep bringing them over here, I am amazed at your vast
output and how knowledgeable you are. I know some of what you post here is older but enjoy reading them anyway and often learn something new to me.
They're such idiots over there with their purity forces. You're one of the best writers there.
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Go fuck themselves?
Yes. Absolutely.
Just make sure you don't fuck yourself.
Your back catalog is of no benefit to them, nobody looks besides yourself and your friends, comments and recs are closed.
For you it represents your history and I wouldn't be so quick to dispose of it. The only thing it makes difficult for the drones is providing context outside any comment threads in their history, it doesn't disappear the comments or the incestuous tips.
But it does the same for any of your friends, and having followed you for years (albeit mostly silently) I'd say you have far more of those than detractors.
Of course it's crap
Generally, supporting links are encouraged.
Hmmm. I wonder why they'd care if one deletes their own diaries?
Poor Poor Markos. I know he knows he's in the shit and his crack
headteam of unpaid interns along with his dedicated groupie/moderators are hard at work defending his honor!"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
I get emails
And attaboys from diaries I wrote years ago. So I know TOP gets traffic from them.
They also serve as a great reference library for anyone there
who wants to use them. While my presence there is not in the same class as you in many, many ways, I didn't want to leave my things there exposed to any malcontent that wanted to paw through them for whatever reason.
If DEO and the porchers say you're a racist, you're a racist. Only they get to decide. I've often asked that group of paid party trolls who and what is a good Democrat, and who gets to decide who gets to decide? If you aren't a "yes man", I think that makes you a misfit and a bad Democrat. Kos gets paid to shill the party line, I don't.
Great diary gjohnsit. Tipped, rec'd, FB'd and tweeted.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Re: Poor Poor Markos.
The Circus isn't as popular as it used to be.
Exellent!
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
The funny thing is as you mentioned
is that your diary is still on the wreck list and that it was one of your best diaries. The people who had a problem with it only picked out the part about how Blacks are economically worse since Obama has been president.
I've seen that statistic on many other articles, but it's not just Blacks who are worse off economically.
The number of people people on social programs such as food stamps have gone up dramatically under his tenure. Including many members of the military.
It's been well documented that income inequality has gotten worse and is as bad as it was in 1932.
That statistic can't be blamed on congress alone.
If Obamas's two heads of the justice department had held the CEOs of the banks accountable for causing the global economic crisis and charged them with the fraud they committed instead of just slapping them with a few millions in fines, then they wouldn't have continued committing fraud while millions of people continued to lose their homes.
Instead Obama sat back and watched the banks continue to illegally foreclosure on people's homes.
Lynch also couldn't be bothered charging the banks that were laundering drug money for the cartels.
And it seems that no one in the doj had a problem with Hillary's state department fixing many financial institutions problems with the state department and then seeing both Bill and their foundation profit from it even though she had promised to keep her foundation separate from her duties as SOS.
Did anyone see the person who's avatar is
Caucus99?
That person was accusing Mahail Overdrive of being the creator of this site, no matter how many times he was corrected.
As I have written before people from there read what we write here and then report back to their cliques about what we write.
This site is full of misogynistic, sexist Hillary haters according to many people over there.
And we are also racist because we don't like what Obama is doing in the Middle East and elsewhere.
It's also acceptable now over there for some people to tell others to fuck off when it used to be a flag able comment as well as the people who rec the comment.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Parallel?
and
Or in the case of Orange State "liberty".
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Keep on deletin'!
So when do you figure they'll take you off of "time out"?
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
I have been NR since April. Checked, I still am.
I am not sure that then they gave end dates for punishment. It seems more like banishing.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
They are arrogant enought to expect that
you will come back begging. Fat chance, eh.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Right --
They will ask you to apologize to the nice neoliberals whose fee-fees you hurt. At any rate, if you are in time out (and here I'm addressing gjohnsit and riverlover at least), you should apologize, and then thereafter promptly delete all of your diaries and transfer their contents (when necessary) to a WordPress blog.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
There's a joke in there somewhere...
...but it ain't coming forward for me - equating the slang "fee-fees" and NeoLiberal bribes. At all costs, gotta protect the fee-fees!!
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Dec 30?
On my screen, the print shows up blurry and tiny in the message gjohnsit got but I think it is a 10 day "time out".
Sounds like a plan!
How much of your time out was cause because of
what you post here?
I have seen many comments about what people wrote on this site mentioned over there.
The childish behavior of people running back to tell them how naughty we are here because we don't buy the party line.
If DK was actually in line with the mission statement of electing better democrats, then they would have gotten behind Bernie because he's seems to be the only person who is standing for the things that the democrats used to stand for.
Hillary's triangulation isn't a democratic value.
Putting millions of people into poverty, invading countries and killing innocent civilians by either the use of drones or by the military used to be what people over think used to be against.
I watched many of those members say that OBAMA was right for destroying Libya and had no problem with Hillary laughing at Gaddafi's brutal death.
They can't or won't admit that the DP has sold us out and that they aren't any different from the republicans except for some social issues.
Everything else they are on board with them.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Social Issues are to the Dems as God Guns Gays is to the Repigs.
Other than that, we've got a uniparty at this point where the only thing they really do is siphon more wealth to the overlords while they continue to manipulate the rest of us.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Sometimes I think it's just a game to some.
How many eyeballs can I get refuting me if I make THIS incredibly false statement?
I state this after a person told me, with complete conviction, that Doctor Who was a racist, and sexist, and homophobic show which celebrated British Imperialism.
I think a lot of people KNOW they're spouting complete bullshit. The secret is that they've convinced everybody else that all the academic people know this bullshit to be roses, and if you smell shit, you're clearly unintelligent.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I feel cheap and dirty.
I am a nobody and I got a very short time out for something incredibly trivial. Maybe that was back when they were just trying to workout the details. Then one day I found that passive-aggressive pop-up in my face. I simply could not "click" that acknowledgement. If they had provided a way generate a substantive reply, I suppose I would have gotten arrested for terroristic threats.
My smart and very patient friend,
"I am a nobody" is the first untrue thing I have seen you post. Please never post anything similar.
Oh, I'm certain the lurkers are chortling.
With our reaction to what is going on at TOP. Reason I still don't bother going.
I have no interest in pop-up ads and demands that I sign petitions as the cost of entering their hallowed halls. (For future reference, I refer to walls smeared with feces as "Hallowed".)
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Ok, I see what happened.
You got sandbagged by Denise Oliver Velez's Black Kos goon squad and then made the mistake of quoting Tale of Two Cities (Public Domain btw) without attribution.
Shame on you.
Heh.
Oh, and...
Identity Politics and Demography Ensures a Permanent Democratic Majority.
Seig Heil! (Hail Victory!)
Don't get me started...
At a certain point, the pundits will call ONE too many people racist. They've practically destroyed the word as anything but an insult.
When something is just an insult, well, we've seen how queers like me react to stupid insults that mean nothing.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw]
Edited to add in a song that sums up the stupidity well.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
They also destroyed the words sexist and misogyny
Any criticism of Hillary wasn't based on what people wrote about her actions, but that people couldn't stand to see a woman become president.
No matter that many of the articles we linked to came from what used to be acknowledged progressive websites, the attacks on her was only because she is a woman.
Same as any attack against what OBAMA did or his policies that were the same as the Bush policies, we were accused of being racists.
There is no room for any dissent or criticism of the anointed ones there.
It's sad to see so many people believe our governments propaganda.
They used to know better.
But then how many are just following what Kos writes?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
and criticizing Hillary is/was racist
because she was strongly supported by African-Americans, thus opposing her was disenfranchising them.
That was one of the last things I read there.
Insurance seems to have lapsed.
Also it was the fourth Friday of an even numbered month /s /nt
Beware the bullshit factories.
Really?
I got nailed for quoting Tale of Two Cities?!?
Holy Sheeeeet!
ROTFL!
What a useless cesspool.
Must have been gchaucer2 who raised the issue.
What's the word limit for
What's the word limit for comments there? I've got a hankering for pulling the entire text from Gutenberg and posting one massive block quote. Google tells me the whole book is 135,420 words.
That was just the excuse.
You got nailed for not being sufficiently obedient and stupid.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
That fucking place has proved so juvenile I get bad flashbacks
back to Catholic HS and jr high when I have to read stuff like this.
"We've fielded numerous complaints...about your participation here."
Holy shit. All of a sudden I can remember what it was like again, to be a mischievous, hormone-exploding, rock n roll-loving teenaged boy pent up in such an environment, having to report to the office to be interrogated by nuns. The more I can glean from that message (can barely read it) the more disgusted it makes me and riles up more deserved mocking than I'm up for at the moment. Time-outs, etc. What kind of authoritarian, dumbed-down, childish parameters do these clowns run their little boot-licking site on?
And there's that Loyalty allusion again. Must keep the Oath of the Democratic Party site. Well, I for one despise Oathkeepers and said so in my piece at TOP, "As Another Pissed Off Liberal There Are Some Things I'm Not Interested In." Along with dallasdoc we were the only two writers there who surpassed 1000 rec's in the past year or two. Confirming get again there were way more of there who identified with the pronounced principles and values here at C99, than the small but vocal Neoliberal pestilence that invaded TOP; but they drove all of us away. Good thing that was settled. I can't see myself going back.
For those interested and not wanting to go back to give them the click from the link above (I wouldn't), here's how the essay started:
They were so deathly afraid of real-life conversations about economic inequality and the everyday travails of the majority of Americans, for fear that their team might lose if regular Americans would be awakened to their fraud by people like those currently at C99.
I'm so glad it became so glaringly obvious that those liars, dupes and blind cheerleaders roved to be nothing but sellout corporatists, Republicans in drag, "fiscally conservative and socially liberal," who got their comeuppance big-time this year, finally. They make me want to puke. Fuck those people. Let it be known from here on out: there's no two ways about it, they gave us Trump. Full-stop.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Re: Republicans in drag
Oh now that's just too good not to meme.
^^^THIS!!!!!^^^
One of your best yet!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
*slow clapping*
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Aww, they finally are Democrats.
Claiming they're crashing the gates when they really are gatekeepers.
There's nothing on the other side of that gate worth having. Let's keep walking. It's a lovely season for walking. Brisk but clear.
You're awesome, dym.
Happy Yule.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thank you! You're awesome, too!
May the Yule be kindest to you!
imo we kos refugees should all acknowledge that we were
engaged in that community over there and left under ethical duress. Lots and lots of people were able to stay, don't forget, under the same duress. Those who stayed had no ethical problem with being told how to vote and how to think, and also had no ethical issue with applying the duress to other community members.
It means something, to get TOd, to get HRd, to get NRd, to get banned, even when it happens at a place that's gone as badly off the rails as the GOS has. Some folks act like it means nothing. imo ostracism by and from any community is a really powerful tool, it is supposed to make you pull yourself back in line. Straighten up and think the way you know you are supposed to.
Anyway, fwiw, I've been reading and enjoying your essays here. Glad you still have a place to be.
~annominous
Eh...
Kind of like being "disconnected" by Scientologists. Have I told you about "Incident II" and "The Wall of Fire"?
Yes, exactly what I meant
But concise. Heh. Were you a scientologist? Do tell ... about these incidents.
~annominous
I was baptised Methodist...
like Hillary and
Wand practised until I was 14, though I was a proclaimed atheist at 12, because we had a Duckpin Bowling Alley in the basement of the Church where the 7th grade Sunday Schoolers met and I wanted to play (alas not part of the curriculum). Also I liked Choir and the Theatricals.In defense of Methodism it has a strong Social Justice component since it was evangelized among African-American Slaves. On the down side it is a Fundamentalist faith (albeit relatively old).
I was never a Scientologist or a Mormon and I'd be happy to discuss the fakeness of all religions in general or any religion in particular every Sunday except this one because I'm not a Richard Dawson/Bill Maher "New Atheist" type who enjoys shitting in people's punchbowls.
It depends on where you are in life.
It depends on who you are.
I have long regarded that blog-cult in the same way I do the Republican presidential debates: They are both shameful spectacles that make me squirm with embarrassment.
In the real world, I always hid any connection I had with it. From the beginning I would stop periodically and remove every word I wrote there with meticulous care. Once my Diary area was clear, I would feel clean again. I also felt safer knowing that my writing could not be permanently displayed in that Internet dive, against my will. That idea horrified me; it would be a violation of my privacy. My self-editing did eventually pay off.
My reasons for being there were good, relative to my own growth. And there were many talented and worthwhile people. Most could not see we were mingling in very rancid virtual space, created by slacker software with a corrupt user interface. The algorithms of "reward" produced ugliness in people and generated reflexive bullying hate in the social fibers that formed there. Software is a powerful thing, and it might have been responsible for the grave distortions in the personalities of those who worked the back office. Whatever the inception of the poisonous atmosphere, once it was established it actively deformed the natural paths to conscious evolution. It left everyone it touched a little diminished.
The self-sickness of that blog-cult is a known thing in certain circles. So, given my own work and my own personal "identity politics" (heh) — I worked to avoid any embarrassment that might come from an association with the place. Not even Hillary wanted to get too close.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
imo you are being too kind in blaming the softweah for the
maliciousness ovah theah.
TOP is for one person to make money by wielding the appearance of influence by selling e-mail lists. And for a handful of other people to make their livings by assisting. Cuz it's not so easy to make a living anymoah, on accounta the sell-off of our way of life by the bad guys.
Anyone who signs a petition over there is, imo, by definition, not as smart as an average cartoon bear. The community ovah theah is finally arriving at the end of their post-murtum discussion about whether or not the democratic party has a prublum. They seam to think it don't. Whew, what a relief ! The selling off of Amercun Democracy is everyone elses' fault ! Dun't blame the guy selling the lists !
Many users over there come to view what they call "the community" as just that, a real live cuddly-wuddly community where all right-thinking democratics are welcome. This in spite of the disappearances, the heavy handed "justice", the willingness to toy with other democratics in the name of troll control, the cliquesters who conspire at the cess pool (aka the help desk) to get other members banned. That "help desk" should be labeled "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here: Waders required beyond this point". It doesn't get any uglier anywhere on the internet: the GOS help desk threads are not moderated and anything gos. That's where I have seen the lordiest and ladiest of orange fruit flies a-leaping. The cruelty there is so blatant that it gives a sense that some of those orange fruit flies are not really theah to elect moah and bettah democratics: you will know them by their (rooty-tooty-fruity fly) acts.
So hats off to you and to GJS and so many others who landed here, for remembering what you were doing over there. Not everyone does.
~annominous
With great charm, you have reminded me there are two
…worlds there. I only spoke of one, which happened to be aligned to a website project I was working on. I originally went there to look at the softwear being used for the online community blog. I knew the developer at that time. I was not very familiar with the topics being discussed.
I will stick with my demonization of the software, though. The community moderation system was designed for abuse and bulling. Public shaming was institutionalized. Cooperative voting among small gangs could torment or silence anyone. It turned more than a few people into monsters. Some of the most vulnerable were tormented. All this was inspired and automated by the customized interactive software.
The software created a culture. Years later I would see first hand a migration of long time users caused by that culture run amok. Among those who came here were people gravely changed by the experience. They were defenseless and unprepared to be jettisoned from the social culture. It was not about politics. It was savage battleground and the behaviors turned evil. For that, I blame the software and the sociopathy of the back office. (But more on that another time.)
You are right. I overlooked the site's monetization scheme. I saw that side of the website as a political boutique for amateur activists, and ignored it. The direct financial exploits of users must have been considerable. The secondary exploit, where user's identities were rented or sold — psychodollars — must have been a bonanza while it lasted. Thanks for the heads-up on that.
Mostly I saw a buzzkill for the hearts and minds of those people who were seeking fulfillment of their humanity. That's a type of maliciousness I cannot analyze. I don't have the proper genetic disposition to mind-meld with something that alien.
I regarded the site as the think tank lab it was designed to be. A controlled test market for political framing, propaganda, memes, candidates, policies, and retreads like racism and misogyny.
You know, that place is not the Democratic Party. Not even close. Hillary wouldn't be caught dead there. It's a mosh pit. It's not something you would want to mention on your resume. The fine print reads like the WWE:
It's hard to know where their political loyalties lie, if any exist. They have done so much cumulative harm to the Democratic brand that one might believe they are a tool array that belongs to the opposition. But when viewing them through the corporate lens, they appear to have the same core values as Hillary, who would speak at the opening of a door if there was enough money in it.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
I just backed out. All that banging your head against a brick
wall gets you is a bloody forehead.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Well now you made me go read your diary, instead of seeing it
on the Rec List and thinking, "Well, look at that, good for GJ!"
Personally, I think your comments about identity politics in the diary and in the comments were harmless, as well as a small part of a large whole trying to make sense of where this country is going and what might be why it happened. And you didn't say anything in this diary about deleting or not wanting to be a part of it - someone's holding a grudge?
Ah well. This too shall pass. In a week!
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Willful ignorance
thought that was just for RW koolaid drinkers.
Fuck that DP echo chamber.
Some are just slow to realize they were robbed, until they can recall what they had. When they get their head out of the sand, they know where to find C99.
Heard so many respected people irl say the word "inevitable" and were convinced before the election. No mention of alternative possibilities
Thankfully, none were engineers 
Perhaps, magical thinking is now the only thing the DP offers? Wonder if the CFPB can be interested in repatriating political donations to donors from a political entity engaged in political malpractice and deceptive acts?
Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever
I don't think anybody in Washington is an engineer
But they are busy building a big, fantastic ship named Titanic that is unsinkable.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Welcome to the club
I joined it with my last post over there. Was put on TO for telling a newbie GFY for blaming me for Trump (quoting my own diary at him), and then my post sat at the top of their Rec List for the entire following day. That generated a lot of intense criticism of Markos, and over a dozen new user registrations over here.
Greywolfe also got banned for his wonderful diary casting Bernie as Gandalf and Hillary as Saruman. Popular outrage over there forced them to rescind the banning.
DK is turning itself into MSDNC, so tiresomely in the bag for Clintonites politics that it's marginalizing itself out of the marketplace of ideas. Everywhere it is mentioned it is a laughing stock. Your TO is contributing to that process of self-disqualification. Congratulations. Posting your splendid essay over there did that good. At got you a lot more sympathetic readers than I expected it would.
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"DK is turning itself into MSDNC"
That's charitable. They've turned themselves into the equivalent of a tabloid... worse...
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Worse, you mean FOX?
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
I was thinking
more like the rags in the rack at the checkout stand at the grocery store.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Nah
the rags in the rack at the checkout stand at the grocery store are more entertaining.
They are all about Russian spies,
fake news, and avoiding change. They've become reactionary to the point of self-destruction.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Your last post helped me find this place
I have never been banned or even TO'd at TOP. I post for a while and then get disgusted and quit. Sometime heavy lurking has been enough to make me back away. Between occasions when I posted I usually forgot my password so I have used several names over there. Even though I could not read the hidden comments, the viciousness of the gangs and the favoritism quickly becomes obvious.
If the goal is really to elect more and better Dems, the hatefulness at TOP always makes me wonder why I ever bother to vote for Dems. Legitimate criticisms of the currently favored candidate are viciously suppressed. How can problems be solved it they are not acknowledged?
The rampant use of words like sexism and racism as generic insults destroys their true meaning and prevents acknowledgement and discussion of the actual devastation assorted -isms cause. We are unlikely to find solutions if it is no longer possible to discuss the problems. If Denise wants to know why Hillary lost she should go look in the mirror. I always stayed as far away from her and her gang as I could get. I say this as a physically handicapped female with minority ethnicity. It is never OK to attack others for the identities they were born with. Even a white guy deserves to be judged for the content of his character, not the color of his skin. Maybe I should post this at TOP so I can join the I-Got-Banned Club.
It is a relief to find the thoughtful people who want to solve problems instead of demanding complete, mind-controlling obedience. Thanks Dallasdoc for posting the Goodbye Cruel World that let me find so many of you who were disappeared.
Last Post?!
Dallasdoc is still a 5 Bar in good standing, at least as far as these eyes can see.
And curse you for making me look, again.
Sorry. I thought he said he was quitting TOP
I have been looking for the place where some of you went after you were banned and/or quit in disgust. This place was mentioned in a rebuttal diary about Dallas docs last diary. Normally I would have lurked here longer before signing up, but I recognized some of your 'names'. I also read a few threads and was relieved at both the civility and the freedom to consider ideas without worrying that they could be considered anti-DNC.
The really interesting thing to me is that some people who are sometimes touchy or aggressive over there are much more mellow and polite here. (I am not talking about you, but you have probably noticed this about some people here.) I am still trying to figure out the mechanics that keep c99 civil without heavy-handed moderation.
I am mostly interested in working together to solve problems and would like to see cooperation between progressives whether they are Dem, Independent or Green.
I'm certainly glad...
you're not talking about me because I strive for a consistent level of obnoxiousness.
I dunno, I've moderated several sites and rarely have to do anything at all except spam removal. They could do a much better job at DK (or I could, but I don't delude myself I'm somebody special) because they have the tools to do it (I've explained several times, publicly and privately). I think that for whatever reason, and I'm not a mind reader, that they're happy with the way things are.
ps. TMC says Hi.
They've lost their minds over there.
There was a rec-listed diary written by someone who freaked out about sitting next to a Republican while Christmas shopping. Apparently, he is happy that he doesn't know any Republicans and never has to interact with them. It's not healthy to live in a bubble where your beliefs are never challenged. I teach my students that diversity is about a lot more than skin color and religion.
It used to be that you could post whatever you want as long as you didn't advocate voting against Democrats. Now you can't be too critical of Democrats. And you can't say anything that has also been repeated by a Republican. They just want to plug their fingers in their ears and pretend that everything that they don't like is about racism and sexism. They were robbed. They are victims. They are awesome. And everyone who disagrees is stupid.
Drew!
How good to see you! Same old same old, and you?
in pre-nazi germany, education was farmed out
to the churches. the government collected taxes from the citizens, which were then handed to the churches (based, i think, on the indicated faiths of the taxpayers). so the protestants attended protestant schools, the catholics attended catholic schools, and the jews attended jewish schools. (no idea how detailed the procedure went, as far as recognizing sects of protestantism or judaism, or even roman catholic versus eastern orthodox).
creating a society in which all children were raised and educated only amongst the children who shared their religious beliefs turns out not to have necessarily been a great idea.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Triple B dropped that
turd blossom I thought Brooklyn is s'posed to be diversity central.
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I haven't been over there in ages. Last time I looked, I wasn't banned/bojo'ed, etc. I don't do diaries so that's probably why.
DOV is a hot head with a thin skin. I posted a comment a couple of years ago to one of her diaries saying that All Lives Matter is not some FRWingnut meme. Man, you would have thought I posted an invite to join the KKK! That did it. I begin to gradually withdraw. Besides, there are PLENTY of blogs that I can join w/out dealing with that crap! I do miss bobswern, the environmental diaries and MB. But, not that much now. Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
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