Hillary, Pete, and Bernie
Hillary Just. Won't. Go. Away.
And she still only punches down and left.
Clinton urged voters to ask themselves, “Who do you think can win? Because if you don’t win, you can’t govern. And who can best govern at a very difficult time in American history.”
If this sounded like an implicit critique of her other big 2016 rival Bernie Sanders, that notion was enforced when DeGeneres added: “It seems to me, more than ever, that we need somebody who’s going to go in and be able to steer this ship in the right direction instead of going to the extreme.”
Every time she opens her mouth she reminds everyone why we hate her, and that she hates Bernie, and that Bernie winning would upset her and prove her wrong.
Coming from a person who believed that Trump couldn't win, why should we care what she thinks?
Speaking of hubris, Mayor Pete makes an interesting claim.
Initially, it appeared that Pete Buttigieg–the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana– would accumulate the most state delegate equivalents of any presidential candidate. But as the results continued to become public, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders narrowed the gap to nearly 0.1 percent. That occurred as the state party began to include the results of satellite caucuses, the new addition to this year’s Caucuses as a way to increase access for people to the process.Those numbers became a source of contention, according to sources close to the results process. Sources say that Buttigieg’s campaign contends the state party computed the state delegate equivalents incorrectly and gave too many of them to Sanders. That error, Buttigieg’s campaign believes, could give an overall victory to Sanders.
Wow. I gotta hand it to Pete. His lack of shame ranks up there with Trump and Hillary.
Meanwhile, Bernie finally got around to declaring victory in Iowa.
While it is tempting to get bitter about how the Dem establishment and MSM tried to screw Bernie yet again.
The fact is that Iowa ended up helping Bernie in every way.
If the final vote shapes up that way, it will be a dream scenario for Sanders. It’s not clear that Warren’s campaign can survive consecutive disappointments in the first two nominating contests. She’s already polling well behind in South Carolina and Nevada, and losing more momentum won’t help. Sure, it’s possible that Warren could limp to Super Tuesday after a string of third- and fourth-place finishes, but even if she does, many of her supporters might defect to Sanders, since he’ll be the progressive with a promising chance of winning. As for Biden: He might still be able to pull out a win in South Carolina, but he’ll still look weak, and between Buttigieg and Mike Bloomberg—whose entire strategy is premised on a strong performance on Super Tuesday, and thus is 100 percent guaranteed to be around for it—Biden won’t have the moderate lane to himself.
In short, Buttigieg is helping to consolidate the left and split the moderates, creating ideal conditions for a Sanders win. Meanwhile, there’s still little sign the man from McKinsey has a real shot himself. Even with his recent success, he’s still polling at fifth nationally, now behind Bloomberg, and hasn’t shown a pulse with minority voters yet. If he does somehow manage to knock out Biden entirely, it might actually be counterproductive. According to Morning Consult, the most popular second choice among the ex-VP’s voters is Sanders, followed by Bloomberg, and then Warren (this is your regular reminder that Americans don’t vote strictly based on ideology). There’s a reason that FiveThirtyEight is giving the democratic socialist a roughly 50 percent shot at the nomination right now, versus 1 in 30 for Buttigieg.
Pete has no lane. So all he can do is drag down the corporate centrists.
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I'm wondering
how he can attack the Left from the left when he's not on the left.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
He does podcasts on the Intercept.
Don't know why he doesn't think a vote needs to be earned - pretty ignorant if you ask me.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Wow, Just Wow... I hope he got a LOT of pushback on that.
I can't think of a statement I have heard in a while that was more ludicrous or myopic than that one.
He should be hit with a rolled newspaper and sent back into is DINO cage with Hillary, et al.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
So right before the Town Hall with Buttigieg
The Iowa State Democratic Party announces that 100% of the vote count is in and that PB won the State Delegate Equivalent count.
Cuomo dishes it to him on a silver platter. PB giggles, "It feels great that we won!" Nothing like collusion and orchestration there.
I went to the Des Moines Register site and found that they had the list for 99.9 percent of the vote in. One precinct's votes wasn't included. I wonder if it was a satellite location that would have changed the SDE results.
So PB won the SDE count by less than .1%. That's less that one-tenth of one percent. 564 - 562. Which doesn't mean doodly on a national level.
The actual national convention delegate count was not on the site.
Of course, these numbers are still questionable given all the weird coin flips and the byzantine rules and formulas in place to determine the SDEs. And other issues like people not be given the opportunity to change registration at the satellite locations.
So based on the 99.9 % tally, Bernie won the first alignment by 6114 votes . 43,671 - 37,557. So his total went up as his percentage win was 25% - 21%.
One of the Beth's has a great idea
BTW where is Bill? I haven't heard anything about him for some time. But maybe that's because Hillary's sucking all the air out of the world? Just go away!
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Isn't Bill spending most of his time
with a companion? When and where did I read he had some really good lady pal with whom he spent quality time?
She was a hottie.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
If he's smart he is staying far away from Her
"Bill. I was cheated out of the presidency by Bernie. Russia. Comey. Bernie. His damn supporters. The deplorables. Russia. Beto....""
"Dammit Hillary give it a f'cking break already. You've told me that every day for 3 years. Enough!"
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
@snoopydawg "Yeah, Bill, and what
"Yeah, Bill, and what the fuck were you doing on Epstein's plane?"
"I had to get from point A to point B."
"I know point you were thinking of."
Bill's face turns serious. "While I was abroad, as they say, this story about Iowa and the primary. What's goin' on there?" Hillary gave him a dirty look and turned away. Bill continued. "No, what's this about faulty, eh, software?"
Bill said he rode on Epstein's plane for his AIDS foundation
gathering which is just as bogus at the Clinton Foundation's work on AIDS. They buy drugs that are either poor quality or just don't work well. And does anyone think that Saudis give a rat's ass about AIDS in Africa and that was why they donated over $20 billion to their foundation while she was SoS?
Even after she left that position many countries still donated millions to it, but that all came to a screeching halt when she lost the election. After that people donated to the McCain foundation.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
@on the cusp Time to settle down,
Time to settle down, now that the Lolita Express has been grounded.
I saw her in a picture with Bill,
described as the woman with whom he spent his time and efforts.
Even got her name, profile...It has been a year or so ago, but I will try to find it.
The gist of the article is that Bill is with hottie, not with Her, and nobody in the Clinton Family gives a shit.
Bill does political stuff with Her, otherwise, with hottie.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Julie Tauber McMahon
eom
Thank you.
Yes, that is the woman.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Well, I wouldn't want to spend time with Hillary either.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Bill who?
I remember hearing some scuttlebutt around the time #metoo and related things that some Dems became self aware enough to realize having Bill Clinton out there as a face of the party wasn’t a good look. I also have to wonder if maybe he’s not intentionally keeping a lower profile until the name Jeffery Epstein is long forgotten.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I have said it before ...
… and I will continue emphasizing: There are those of us that continue to win. We do that by knowing our strengths and our weaknesses.
Bernie is very skilled at the "game" of politics. He has been from the time he started decades ago. I was, personally, surprised he was able to do this announcement this early. But he waited until he had a firm foundation for what he needed to say. Also, please notice, he did not allow the questioners to prod him into the death spiral of speculation.
I am no political savant, so while I can appreciate his mastery, I can not advise or predict the best course of action on his part.
RIP
Last I heard
on WGN-TV ten hours ago was the Mayo Cheat kicked Bernie's butt and ran away with the delegates. So what does Bernie's mild mannered claim do for him. Every voter hears the opposite.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
???
I am not following your train (chain?) of thought. Sorry, but I am confused.
RIP
The Bernie Campaign has claimed and listed discrepencies
Before folks claim Bernie is laying down, they should first look into the matter. There is also the issue of the results from one precinct not being released, at least as I saw the listing in the Des Moines Register. I'm still wondering if those results were from a satellite location.
https://features.desmoinesregister.com/news/politics/iowa-caucuses-resul...
The point is...
that even though Bernie won, the public perception of those not deeply involved is that Buttigieg whipped Bernie's butt because that's what they hear constantly on the news.
DNC is helping this by releasing numbers that correspond to their narrative rather than reality.
So Bernie lost, even though he won. He's even getting fewer delegates than Mayo Cheat.
It's time to replace these arcane "awards" with straight out preference voting. The caucus format with a few hours of discussion before voting but no "adjustments" or coin flips.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Thanks for clarifying.
Has this been reported here?
Max Blumenthal reports that one of the guys behind that Shadow software was connected to a "false flag" operation interfering with an election in Alabama.
Here: https://consortiumnews.com/2020/02/06/group-that-sabotaged-iowa-caucus-b...
These people are so unsavory that I feel I need a shower just reading about them.
I don't know what to believe
about the Blumenthal piece, but a name like Shadow . . . what's not to trust there?
/s
I have not seen it
But it is a great article with los of info.
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The guy involved in the false flag in Alabama
I think was part of integrity initiative? This was the website that wanted to say whether the one you're reading is true or not. Is that covered in the article?
I posted the tweet on it in the evening blues that has a link to the grayzone.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Twitter jail? Again
Why? Because Jack's staff doesn't understand snark.
This is exactly what Caitlin wrote about when people were getting ticked off at Bernie's supporters. Just go away and die so that your death doesn't bother the PTB.
If someone takes offense at this please explain it to me.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
This is quite interesting.
A former head of the Iowa Democratic Party sez.
Consistency has never been the forte of Hilbots
Or Buttigieg supporters:
" This isn't a process that rewards you for getting votes"
I never heard a more damning statement.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
"Well, that's all right then..."
"Wait, WHAT?"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've been saying that
from the moment they went into "quality control!"
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Anybody See That Coin Toss?
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Strange Magic!
I think I actually read that this kid was interviewed and bragged about being a magician. Not a very good one, it seems to me.
[video:https://youtu.be/mEh3RJ5apIo]
MSM chided for Buttimandering
Common Dreams just came out this morning with a great piece on the discrepncies in the claims of Buttigieg and his MSM supporters:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/07/while-sanders-declares-vict...
Bernie handled
the IA cactus muddle very well -- emphasize his pop vote win, by a fair margin, and greatly discount this SDE meaninglessness. Emphasize that it's time to move on to the NH primary.
Meantime, someone please explain to me why anyone should give a flying fig about SDEs. It's the PV and the national delegates which result that count, not the friggin' SDEs. Am I missing something about how SDEs somehow dictate the allocation of national delegates?
Antiquated indeed. Prior to this year's revamped caucus, only SDE totals were announced, not the raw vote totals. So understandably the MSM ran with the SDE allocations. That's all they had. But there's no excuse this time for the MSM pubbing them when the PV totals were (eventually) made available.
CNN has been particularly awful at confusing these various ways of counting the numbers, and the normally sharp, attention-to-detail, legally-trained Chris Cuomo suddenly gets stupid by failing to clearly point out which candidate got the most voter votes, which is what most viewers need to know. I doubt if all this is by accident. I understand his interview with Pete Bootajudge the other night was a love fest, as if Chris was a paid campaign staffer. I am going to have to return to calling him Fredo again.
You see the Boston Globe poll for NH today?
Ugh. On the sunny side, it conflicts with Emerson which still has Bernie at 32%.
PB is up to 23% in both the BG and Emerson. Bernie's 24% in the BG.
We'll see how much MSM still sways voters come Tuesday.
Again how powerful is MSM?
I was thinking that MSM was losing influence. Maybe. But now I'm not so sure. We'll see Tuesday.
And whoo, was I wrong about Biden. He's in big trouble. If he doesn't decisively beat Bernie in NV and SC, he'll probably still go through the motions on Super Tuesday but that may well be his day to sink once and for all.
SDEs are perfect.
Perfect for the Democratic party bigwigs. SDEs let Democrats craft the outcome they want in Iowa all while blandly complaining that the Electoral College (SDE on a national level) is unfair and has to go.
Interesting Historical Note
In the five presidential elections where the loser won the popular vote but lost the election (1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, 2016), four of the losers were Democrats.
The fifth election, in 1824, all candidates ran as Democratic-Republicans. Andrew Jackson won the popular vote by 10.5% but lost the presidency to John Quincy Adams. The loss inspired Jackson and his supporters to create the Democratic Party. So in a way, all who lost the presidency despite winning the popular vote were Democrats.
Has anyone gotten answers to
What the final poll said? If one is dealing with an election that shows all sorts of "problems" the first thing someone looks at would be the polling. There was a poll on January 10 which showed him with a drop of ten points. What happened?
Speaking of what happened, there still isn't a coherent explanation about anything about the Shadow. Why didn't it work? Did some precincts work and some not work? With the same software? If pranksters were blocking the backup phone number, who would that be? Those phone calls couldn't be tracked?
We know from Black Hawk precinct how the software screwed up. How does a software screw up so intentionally in Black Hawk and not across the state?
Has the DNC said anything about why they allowed that software to be used?
If had had my whole cup of coffee I'd have a lot more questions, but those are pretty good for starters.
MSNBC smears Bernie's declaration of victory.
They slap him down if he dares to rise up in his own defense. Bernie is now "a liar."
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsFR_9RI48M]
It's going to be nonstop ugly. Truth is irrelevant. Perception is everything.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Here:
Fixed it.
I wish that were true,
. Certainly they're irrelevant to us, but to the extent that they are still trusted by a lot of people, they're relevant. In the end, it's all about numbers. We can counter this particular lie by just quoting or showing the actual counts -- which demonstrate Bernie's victory. This one's easy. But we should not let them undermine Bernie's exceptional honesty. Even Trump recognizes that Bernie's for real. It's one of his greatest strengths and one of the places they'll try to attack him on.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
The people that still watch MSNBC
will probably only vote for Bernie if he's the Democratic nominee running against Trump.
If I were still in campaign politics, I'd consider them 4s, maybe even 5s. Not the ones to focus on.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Id rather have them slapping him down
When he defends himself then rolling over him when he doesn't. Let cable news do their thing. The coalitions Bernie is building are NOT watching cable news.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I really hope you are right re MSM impact, Anja
We'll see come Tuesday. There's also another debate tonight.
PB is up to 23% in both the Emerson and the Boston Globe polls.
Bernie 32% in Emerson. 24% in Boston Globe.
It seems the Bernie camp is now framing it as a two person race (at least for now):
Sirota's encapsulation is perfect.
Worth repeating everywhere.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
BREAKING NEWS: Bernie goes all out on Buttigieg
Beautiful offense!
This would make a splendid template for the rest of us -- #PetesBillionaires want/don't want.
Geez, even I could do that.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Bernie needs to be at the top of his game tonight
Buttigieg should not be underestimated as a debater and he has the MSM inquisitors on his side.
Me too, Anja
. He absolutely must stand up for himself.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Chances are, she will die before I do.
I'm guessing her passing might have a worldwide effect much like the passing of Margaret Thatcher.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That would be
the most depressing aspect of her passing. Easily.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
I've got no problem with those whom Thatcher tormented
celebrating that she's no longer in a position to do it.
The milk thief, some of them call her.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ah, celebrated.
Yes, that would be more palatable. Thanks!
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Hillary, Pete, and Bernie
walked into a bar. The bartender looked up and said:
(what? a contest)
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