Hillary Clinton has right frontal lobe epilepsy! video analysis and medical literature review

I won't disguise my animosity toward Hillary Clinton. But I am presenting here, for lay person's understanding, the neurologic disorders exhibited on video from multiple sources at multiple times. Extensive literature research has gone into the production of this essay, which will no doubt be labelled as fantasy by Clintonites. However the sources are independent, international and appearing in medically peer-revised journals. After talking to a very intelligent gentleman with a post-graduate degree, it became apparent to me that what I thought was obvious, was opaque to him. The problem is that he doesn't speak "medical". Be warned that I am fully aware that the main readership of this blog is non-medical. Therefor, I will make every effort to write in English instead of medical. Suffice it to say, that since I have only at work on this project for 5 days, I have reviewed over 50 journal articles. The reference to these articles are not intended for a lay audience, but the citations are presented just so that the factual basis for my assertions will be researchable by anyone who has the interest. Furthermore, I welcome questions in the comment thread (though I am not always prompt to respond to them. Anyone interested in more information, including URLs for the medical articles can c99-mail me.

Due to the subject, Hillary Clinton, we may assume several things, which are not medical but political in nature.
1. You cannot believe anything she says
2. We do not have access to her medical records, about which I will comment later
3. None of the so-called medical experts commenting on her condition did not have access to her medical records

As a consequence I feel it is incumbent upon her to release her medical records promptly.

The reason why I undertook this project was because of a video taken as she was walking off the stage following her acceptance speech. I then checked that reliable medical source YouTube (snark) for more videos. And there are quite a few. I have only seen 4 which I consider definitely neuropathological but there are probably more.

There are several other issues here about this essay. The list of references is not complete, as I felt that for the purposes of this essay that would be overkill. A second point also relates to listing my sources (references) is that this prospect has been entirely more time-consuming than I first envisioned, hence the references are not listed alphabetically by the first authors's last name.

Before we get to the video analysis, let's discuss what we do know about what happened to her in December, 2012. Alas, we know very little since, of course the reporting was done almost exclusively by the Main Stream Media (MSM).

First reportage in print of which I am aware is from CNN on December 15, 2012. The other almost contemporary report is from ABC news. the next press report which I found pertinent (which is not to say that my review of MSM offerings was comprehensive) came from CNN also.

On January 1, while Clinton was checking out of the hospital, further information relating to her medical condition was released

Mrs. Clinton, 65, was admitted to NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia hospital on Sunday after a scan discovered the blood clot. The scan was part of her follow-up care for a concussion she sustained more than two weeks earlier, when she fainted and fell, striking her head.

. The citation for this is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/politics/hillary-clinton-is-dischar...

From this very limited sourcing, we have learned two things, which are unchallenged by Clinton:
1. She had a head injury resulting in concussion.
2. She sustained a symptomatic right lateral sinus thrombosis about two weeks later.
That information is undisputed.

Then there follows just two of the videos posted on YouTube
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMHOcmDVBP0 Hillary tries to laugh off seizure

This video demonstrates several things, best seen with slow motion:
Her eyes look down and to the right along with slight head turning briefly; immediately thereafter her head returns to neutral position but her eyes are not well-visualized because of slow blinking, slower than normal. Immediately thereafter, rapid neck flexion-extension oscillations begin; some brief time afterward she begins laughing but not making eye contact initially. These are involuntary movements--in other words, she had no control over them. Later, I will give scientific citations to what I am now proposing: first, this could be a manifestation of gelastic epilepsy, often seen with medial temporal lobe but more often frontal lobe seizures. Gelastic means "laughing". Secondly, but less likely this could be a manifestation of torticollis, which means "twisted neck". The problem with that explanation is that emotional displays do not occur. Third, it could be an immensely clumsy attempt at humorous interaction. This third alternative is also unlikely, because in previous video imaging of her laughing (or cackling) there are no such untoward movements.

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqbDBRWb63s, the truth about Hillary's Bizarre Behavior.
First of all, ignore 90% of what the narrator says. He seems to have little understanding of the issues he discusses. Example, her laughter (other than the subject of the preceding video) is not psychotic. Plus the narrator conflates two conditions: personality disorder, which develops early in life and is not evidence of brain injury. Some of the tendencies of her sociopathic/narcissistic traits would be ease of irritation, explosive bad temper (sometimes violent), and impulsivity. Consult Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, edition 5 for descriptions of the various personality disorder.
Now, having said that, let me add that either or one or both of her known medical conditions could exacerbate her psychopathic traits.

The key video here is the one obtained after the nomination acceptance speech. Again, slow motion tells the best story because important finding occurred but too briefly to be detected at normal projection speed. In the video, while walking off stage, Hillary's eyes open widely, staring straight ahead while her jaws become slack and open--this is fleeting. What happens next is diagnostic of focal right frontal lobe epilepsy: she turns here eyes which are wide open upward to the left, turns her head upwards to the left, opens her mouth widely--but notice it opens more widely on the left side than the right. These are typical signs of an aversive seizure in which the body parts move in the opposite side to the side of the brain which is abnormally excited.

Mild head trauma, by which the lay audience understands as concussion with brief loss of consciousness, actually spans a spectrum varying from no loss of consciousness at all, to prolonged deep coma. Focal neurological signs may or may not be present. Intracranial bleeding may occur even in the absence of unconsciousness. Headache, although present in about 90% of concussion, may be totally absent, or quite transient, or severe, prolonged and disabling. Due to the varying circumstances associated with concussion, there is great heterogeneity of pathologic responses both in location and severity.

Mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) is common in the United States, with estimates ranging between 1.3 million and 1.7 million per year. Of those TBIs, approximately 75-80% are mTBI. Only a small portion of otherwise neurologically intact are hospitalized unless acute imaging shows a lesion. Other reasons for hospitalization are failure of sensorium to clear, persistence or development of neurological signs or worsening headaches despite normal imaging.

Although the majority of patients with uncomplicated mTBI recover completely, there is a small but significant minority who do not. Other than outright neurological deficits, the bane of mTBI research and treatment has been the "post-concussion syndrome" (PCS). Only within the past 10 years has real progress been made between discerning purely psychological symptomatology and validated proof of underlying neuropathology. Five percent of mTBI patients go on to have PCS lasting 1 year or more.

This non-technical article describes common perceptions about minor head injury

This highly technical article discusses specific brain architecture changes following mTBI accompanied by PCS.

This article deals with neuropsychologic measures of PCS but no anatomic correlation with imaging. It contains a good description of some of the most commonly utilized neuropsychologic tests.

This article demonstrates early anatomic brain changes following MVA as demonstrated with advanced neuroimaging techniques within days of MVA. Most of the MVAs invalid neck extension-flexion injuries but some presumably were rotatory. Just as in concussion as a general field, MVA related neurotrauma is heterogeneous.

This article is long and complex but it illustrates very well the subtle anatomicdisturbances which are technically caused lesions. Though complex, these studies are totally safe (providing the patient has no metallic implants other than certain MRI-safe orthopedic implants), painless and noninvasive.

This citation is about an MRI-based technique which objectively quantifies chronic mTBI

Here is a very salient citation, concerning intermittent involuntary emotional outbursts, previously known as
pseudobulbar affect of which the primary symptoms include emotional volatility, pathological laughter--or crying. One of the causes for this condition is mTBI.

Another very appropriate question is whether Hillary Clinton is aware of her peculiar (epileptic) behavior. Surprisingly, the answer is No.

Saving the best for last: manifestations of frontal lobe seizures. Although the seizures described herein are "intractable". the general description of individual seizures comports with the video imaging and the medical literature cited not only in this essay but in the international literature. Note that some epileptics experienced coughing fits.

Commentary
Please consider this a work in progress. There is much more information to be explained by me--and I hope by others. Some of those issues involve further exploration of the post-concussion syndrome, neuropathology of cerebral dural sinus thrombosis, and inter-relations between post-concussion syndrome and cerebral damage from dural sinus thrombosis.

Admittedly, some of my remarks may be considered speculative. It would be delightful if knowledgable neuroscientists would comment on this work.

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6 days out from unconscious fall and head hit, resulting in head injury, Dxed as small subarachnoid hemorrhage (reading from my hospital checkout instructions). So a little brain bleed. 6 staples in my head to close the head wound. Still suffering from head elevation changes, make me dizzy and everything spins. I see my PCP Friday for staple removal and further workup. I still have a headache. Dull now, almost ignore-able. I also experience dry coughing, I had related that to allergies, so that is interesting. But see, I can mostly keyboard again. Very bad first few days. So I am improving there.

Having staples in my head is bad. My hair was just cut, about an inch length at most. Now stapled to my head. I have washed my hair twice, one just shower rinse to get blood off, one with shampoo.

I have a 96 y/o mother who has had at least two TBIs since she was 80. Big personality changes, no short-term memory. She lives a self-imposed isolated existence. Nothing I can do there but shudder that I go the same way for so long.

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RL, take care, and stay hydrated!

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Hope your doc appointment goes well today. Keep hanging in there.

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If you aren't having personality changes now, then I don't think that you have anything to worry about.
I had a severe TBI 41 yrs ago after crashing my motorcycle and the bike landed on my head, fractured most of the bones in my face, including my jaw in 5 places, by left orbital bone and the whole left side of my cheek.
The kickstand fractured by skull 2 inches above my right ear.
When we finally got to the hospital after a 3 hour drive, the first thing I asked for was pain meds. Imagine my surprise when I was told I couldn't have any because of the head injury. I had to wait 18 hours before they would do surgery, because they were afraid that I wouldn't wake up from it.
The one thing I noticed about my personality was the unexplained, extreme anger issues. Understanding TBIs now, I understand that was because of the area injured. Also impulse problems, but the worst part is the memory loss. I would have an hour long meeting with co workers and the next day people would tell me their ideas of how to fix a problem we discussed and I would have not idea what they were talking about.
I have lost a lot of my memories from my 20's, but as time goes by I don't think the memory losses are as severe. They were like an alcoholic blackout where no memory input happens. They do still happen but if things are important for me to remember, I take notes.
Except for still having new short term memory loss, I haven't seen much of a change in my personalty. I do get angry when I am under high amounts of stress, but I recognize what I am doing and can stop it.
I hope you continue to heal from your head injury, but also remember your mother's age. Her memory losses may not have as much to do with her TBIs as they do her age.
However, you know your mother's attitude (?) better than I do, but please try not to worry about what will happen in the future.
I hold on to the fact that I am very lucky to be alive and not in a vegetative state.
Take care.

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I hope your recovery is speedy. Give rose

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I admire your positive attitude after experiencing such a traumatic injury. I hope you will pay attention to any symptoms and get medical help immediately. I have had two head injuries, the first of which I did not seek medical attention, but should have. After my neighbor suffered a head injury and a hematoma on the brain from which she nearly died, I realized how foolish I had been the first time not to get medical attention. Best wishes on a speedy recovery. (((hugs)))

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probably caused by relocation to my sister's house in a bad winter. She was hospitalized in a lockdown facility. Apparently constant seizure activity in her brain (second-hand info). She is on Depakote. And is in end-stage renal failure. No correlation there, I think.

I do not want to exclude seizure-disorder folks from serving the public. Even driving can get iffy. I am self-monitoring, but I would not know, not being used to any affect that could occur. I have had experience with a dog who had surgery that invoked seizures, grand mals. He was on Phenobarbitol, with occasional breakthrough seizures. A bad time.

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I've often wondered how someone could be as screwed up as she is. A medical explanation helps. Doesn't explain everything. She's been politically fucked up forever, so there are other underlying problems that make her unfit to be pres., such as chronic assholia. I hope there is more focus on this and soon.

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describes hillary to a T

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Love it. Stealing it.

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but the DNCLeaks should keep us outraged !

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neither of which are/were involved in her care, and a State Department spokesperson. The detailed descriptions of exactly where and what was found on her scan are either informed suppositions or repetitions of information fed to these sources. Their accuracy and veracity are not directly verifiable by the medical records, which are well protected by HIPPA regulations.

Absent direct access to her medical records, the Times story is little more than a press release.

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yes, it's a press release.

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as the wikileaks emails prove.

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Yes, thousands of MRIs. I don't believe anything put out by her toadies--even if some of them are MDs or neurosurgeons. Yes, I may be boasting, but I have found pathology that trained neuroradiologists have missed--and I've also missed some that they caught.

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fMRI is the same as what you refer to? I don't know but am curious how you'd comment on these recent findings:

A bug in fMRI software could invalidate 15 years of brain research

It’s fascinating stuff, but the fact is that when scientists are interpreting data from an fMRI machine, they’re not looking at the actual brain. As Richard Chirgwin reports for The Register, what they're looking at is an image of the brain divided into tiny 'voxels', then interpreted by a computer program.

"Software, rather than humans ... scans the voxels looking for clusters," says Chirgwin. "When you see a claim that ‘Scientists know when you're about to move an arm: these images prove it,' they're interpreting what they're told by the statistical software."

To test how good this software actually is, Eklund and his team gathered resting-state fMRI data from 499 healthy people sourced from databases around the world, split them up into groups of 20, and measured them against each other to get 3 million random comparisons.

They tested the three most popular fMRI software packages for fMRI analysis - SPM, FSL, and AFNI - and while they shouldn't have found much difference across the groups, the software resulted in false-positive rates of up to 70 percent.

How would an expert notice if the software had incorrectly interpreted the image they were reading? I guess they wouldn't. Thanks.

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It’s fascinating stuff, but the fact is that when scientists are interpreting data from an fMRI machine, they’re not looking at the actual brain. As Richard Chirgwin reports for The Register, what they're looking at is an image of the brain divided into tiny 'voxels', then interpreted by a computer program.

"plain old MRIs don't actually visualize the brain, no more than a roadmap visualizes the countryside through which you drive. fMRI, DTI, MTI, MRS, and other variants are extremely dependent upon statistical analysis; plain MRIs not so much.

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The video really looks doctored. I've been looking at this corporate tool for almost 25 years now and have never seen any indications of seizures with her. She may be a lair and a cheat but I sincerely doubt she has any form of epilepsy.

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of the initial head bobbing, but the second vantage point camera, the one which shows a very surprised and confused woman in the background responding to Hillary's odd behavior, seems to be whole.

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just the way it was looped that made her look that way. In the other clip, showing the news people, they are clearly perplexed and trying to keep it together. They all have that WTF look.

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Laughs quite nervously as she clearly asks, "What are you doing?"

I was very interested in the reactions of people around Hillary during this episode. Aside from the above, watch the two men behind her (not sure if they're SS or what). They both kind of go blank-faced and look away -- almost as if they've seen this happen before and don't want to acknowledge it or be asked about it. Of course, this is speculation on my part but I think others' reactions support the idea that the video is real.

I think a medical issue such as this could also explain her lack of press conferences and appearances. Consider, also, her comment when announcing Tim Kaine as her VP: (paraphrasing) "There's a very real possibility this person could become President."

I find the premise of this essay highly plausible. As a cyclist, I've known several people with mTBIs from crashes and encounters with cars, and I can say the aftermath can be significant, especially when it comes to personality changes and the ability to concentrate and perform on the job. I agree that HRC should release her medical records. The fact that her campaign hammered Bernie on this relentlessly but didn't respond in kind smacks of (more) projection to me.

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They clearly indicate editing.

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They indicate body movement faster than the speed of the camera taking the video. It appears to be either cellphone or low-rez camera video that lost further detail when converted to online video. Notice the artifacts on the tie of the man standing behind Clinton.

I understand that you love Clinton and don't want this to be true, but please don't try to obfuscate by making claims that are demonstrably false.

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I called her a corporate tool in my original comment. Try to pay attention and try to be nice. We're on the same side. The only consistent artifacts in the image are surrounding her. I've seen my fair share of fake and genuine videos. This one appears altered. We can disagree without being offensive.

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Here's the original video from NBC News. This is taken from the angle that shows the reporters asking her questions. You'll note that the head movements are exactly the same. Unless you think NBC News is doctoring videos, too?

And quit being a punk. You don't get to call me childish and then claim that I'm being offensive. I don't play that shit.

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Epilepsy can begin within days, weeks, months or YEARS after an inciting event. I plan on writing several essays, going into further depth about: post-concussion syndrome, Dural Sinus Thrombosis, brain damage from either one. If you have a different source that shows the episode without a loop, please send me the URL. Note there are several videos showing that same aversive seizure, which do not show the loop you referred to--but video loop or not, her eyes opened widely, here head and eyes deviated upward to the left, her mouth opened widely--but more widely on the left side.

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Especially the one lady whose mouth drops open and she recoils. Clearly something strange went on.

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with audio of her speaking. It puts the movements in context of before and after what appears to be a seizure. I think it is kind of weird how she suddenly changes the subject.

I was not sure of all this until I did a little research of my own. There is an article on Zero Hedge which includes pictures of a very large man who is never very far from Clinton. In one of the pictures, he is holding what appears to be holding a Diazepam pen. There is a blow up of his hand that clearly shows the object.

The device in question is a Diazepam auto-injector pens are used for for Acute Repetitive Seizures. Diazepam is one of the medications prescribed for patients who experience recurrent seizures.

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I surfed right past the ones that attribute the episodes to demonic possession, but this video history is going to be tough to ignore. The diaze-pen pics, zoomed in, are difficult to accept as coincidental or photoshopped.

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who has made literally thousands of diagnoses of possession from videos, and he is certain that this is what happened.

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Do you get the side-eye from that one? I am glad I have only one neighbor "touched by an angel". I avoid her, but she seems harmless. Her rooster seems to have taken a ride to deeper country, or have been coyote or fox dinner. That is good, the rooster was possessed.

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Those are the pictures that I posted last night, but they all came from extreme right wing websites and that was why I was uncomfortable posting them.
There still isn't any explanation for why she needed help going up the stairs. I would like to see one.
But with the videos and pictures out there, including the person who is holding the epi pen of Valium, people have a right to know if she is healthy enough to be president.
If she has to step down, we are left with Kaine and Bill as co president's.

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takes a shitter at the top. She could be drunk, but who knows.

Note: Posted to youtube in 2012.

I'm usually sympathtic to people who suffer illness. But in her case I'm sure it is Karma come home to roost. Wink

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it sure looks more like a simple trip than a seizure to me.

I had an epileptic employee for many years and witnessed many of his seizures, from tonic to grand mal. Hillary's fall does not resemble anything I ever witnessed with my epileptic employee.

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she could have had too much to drink. But fun to see her take a shitter regardless. Biggrin

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I suffer from vertigo and sometimes I have difficultly with stairs, mostly descending rather than ascending.

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At her head. You don't need to see her feet--how would a slip and near-fall cause the aversive upper body movements? The normal response is to look downward at the feet. Also there is a glaring misperception about seizures. Most people think that there must be loss of consciousness--not true. The location of the pathology determines the seizure's manifestations. Although the most common epileptic focal seizures arise from the medial temporal lobe, they can arise anywhere in the brain.

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"Member of Congress" for the District of Columbia, is the woman standing directly behind Clinton when she has that seizure ( wearing the blue suit) and Holmes Norton does not flinch, as if this behavior is not a surprise to her. That's one of the things I find startling.

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I have to agree. She'd just turned and it seemed to me that she simply didn't raise her foot over perhaps a slightly raised doorway in entering the plane from the stairway platform, tripped and fell.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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always an edge where the stairs meet the plane. I've tripped over it myself.

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The fall does not occur as she climbers the stairs--it occurs after she inside the cabin. Look closely again--her head-neck flexes, causing her to look at her feet. This is an ordinary trip-and-fall about which I read nothing extraordinary. But compare this fall to the one after her acceptance speech--there was no trip-and-fall--it was a frontal lobe seizure.

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Is it in your essay? Will go back & check.

BTW - thank you for this incredible research. I had no idea of the illness, until I checked out Drudge yesterday, and they were leading with several examples. The one, which I later learned was from Feb. of her needing two people, one on each side, to help her up the few stairs to a house was shocking.

also noting, when she fell at the top of the flight of stairs to the plane, notice it was just after she had to release her grip on the railing she was holding on to all the way up the steps. She took those steps very carefully - nothing gingerly about her assent or her gait going up.

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The videos I saw were of what is demonstrably evidence of a right frontal-lobe focus partial seizure. If you can point me to an actual fall, I will review it.

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I think what I read was your referring to that weird facial expression..

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Should Hill's health incapacitate her as prez, don't forget that Bill is (unconstitutionally) slated to be her co-president. If Edith Wilson was Woodrow's de facto president when he stroked out, Bill will be very happy to rule the Lincoln bedroom once again. Then, if Bill strokes out, Chelsea is being groomed to take over, if not sooner, then later. Gotta keep the family grifters of America biz going. This may be snarky, but I'm not kidding.

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stuff from the Clintons if it was like Great Britain and their only "power" was ceremonial. But unlike jolly old England, these hucksters are actually calling the shots.

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and continue Hillary's fight to prevent war and fracking and the TPP, and introduce Medicare for all and get money out of politics and end the corruption in our system.

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We seem to overlook the obvious, if Tim Kaine were president, Paul Ryan would be his V.P.

Kaine/Ryan 2016
Because that's the most likely outcome

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Speaker of the House is third in line to become president, but there's no automatic line of succession for VP. If Kaine inherited the presidency for any reason, he gets to choose his VP, although whoever he picks must be confirmed by majority votes in both the House and Senate. So it's true he might pick someone who is openly republican. But I doubt it would be Ryan.

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any intervening succession or appointment, the Speaker of the House would become President. If, however, only the President ceases to serve (officially), the Vice President succeeds and appoints a Vice President.

The sticky wicket is "officially." Unofficial inability to serve was depicted in the comedy film Dave and occurred in real life when Reagan was incapacitated, but not officially. Then, the spouse and/or White House staffers circle the wagons around the incapacitated President and run the country until he or she is back in the saddle.

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is that when he had his stroke he had the sense to disappear for a couple of weeks.

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head shake, then tries to cover it by making an intentional and exaggerated exaggerated head bob is very telling. Not even so much because of her action but by the reaction of the woman holding the recorder. She is genuinely taken aback by Hillary's convulsions and it's not an act. Perhaps this epileptic-type seizure was brought about by the sensory overload of all the people with mics and questions. Maybe it's one of the reasons why she refuses to have a "real" press conference, i.e. being peppered with questions from every angle.

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it took me 30 sec to compose this reply. Yes, this may be why she avoids pressers. [another 30 sec.]

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Often times partial seizures can occur with very little interval between them. When the interval disappears, the partial seizures become continuous. This is a condition called status epileptics. Epileptic status may be partial, consisting of only continuous partial seizures. The more serious type of status epileptics occurs when the seizures are generalized tonic-clonic (which used to be called grand mal). General tonic-clonic status has mortality rates between 20 and 50%. If status epileptics (generalized) persists more than 20 minutes, there is an almost 100% likelihood of permanent brain damage occurring over and above whatever brain pathology initiated the seizure originally.

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being loose or unhelpful? I'm serious and not being obtuse, but I want to know how this can be.

"a sudden, violent, irregular movement of a limb or of the body, caused by involuntary contraction of muscles and associated especially with brain disorders such as epilepsy, the presence of certain toxins or other agents in the blood"

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until there is some real medical evidence, like a look at her records. You are focused on something to your front. Someone calls to you from your right so you turn to look and there is an object 8 inches from your face. Everybody would "convulse", or "react" as some others would say.

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Alligator Ed's picture

Further information on Hillary's probable epilepsy are forthcoming. Please not that in the essay I repeatedly made the request that we get HRC's medical records AND have them reviewed by independent experts. In the meantime, I feel the American public is best-served by enlightening them about this issue. It is incumbent upon HRC, seeking the most powerful position in the world to prove that she doesn't have post-traumatic seizures.

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Oh my FSM, are we all really having this conversation? Would TPTB go that far as to put a not-healthy-at-all person on the ticket?

Yeah, they would. This is starting to scare the hell out of me.

Alligator Ed, if you aren't already banned from DK, you might post this over there. Sure, you'll get banned lickety-split, but by posting it, you'll let TPTB understand that regular folk have noticed this shit . It has to be stopped. SHE has to be stopped. We cannot have a PRESIDENT who might have a fucking SEIZURE at any minute, where said SEIZURE might be set off by sensory overload. Jesus Christ on a hot tin roof, it is unbelievable that this is even being considered. To what ends would this even help?

Does this have to do with Tim Kaine? How evil is he, does anyone know his backstory?

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elenacarlena's picture

Anyone might have a seizure at any minute. http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/tc/seizures-topic-overview

Politicians are fragile humans just like the rest of us. That's why there's a line of succession, and it's long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

You can have a sudden stroke, an infection, low blood sugar, a reaction to drugs or withdrawal from drugs, a high fever. You might have one seizure and never have another.

Sorry, but if you rule out human frailty, then there is no one who can run for President.

You know I can't stand either Clinton. I just think this is making too much of medical issues.

If she cannot serve, then the VP is President. I think that is why John McCain lost - the possibility of Sarah Palin as President was intolerable. If the possibility of Tim Kaine a President is intolerable, then Hillary will likewise lose.

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Any one of us could drop dead of heart failure at any moment. We've had "less than perfectly healthy" Presidents (see: FDR). The actual point here is that you want someone that is as fully-fit as possible, that there are no obvious questions of adverse health. In races past for POTUS, this has ALWAYS been a given.

A woman who is pushing 70, who is demonstrably prone to epileptic seizure, possibly caused by a fall she took some time ago or not, does not fit this bill. Period.

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stay that way, I would agree with you. But she is not "demonstrably prone to epileptic seizure," since one head shake does not do that and her doctor is likely to state it was a temporary condition, as she has stated in the past.

The "post concussion syndrome" concern of the neurologist may have a bit more legs since it would be a fairly constant, long-term condition. But even there, I think we would likely see expert disagreements and "her doctors" would pronounce her fit, as they already have. That this one expert has been evaluated by his patients as a know-it-all, a narcissist, and an egotist lacking in medical knowledge helps Clinton's case. I am aware, of course, that reviews can be faked, but they seem to cover a period from well before he made his public observations about her.

My concerns are two: First, that having a medical condition (under control as much as possible with the assistance of good doctors) should not rule out a person for a job; we are an ableist society and we need to push against that.

Second, that in the absence of solid proof, which I think we will not get, "picking on her" for temporary health reasons is only going to make her more sympathetic to the low-info masses.

Anyway, I have to get to work - and I don't enjoy defending Her Heinous! - so you can continue the conversation without me.

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Alligator Ed's picture

A single head strike can produce lasting epilepsy. Hundreds of articles on post-traumatic epilepsy in the literature--if not thousands. A single head shake with typical aversive involvement of head-neck-eyes-mouth is technically not epilepsy. The diagnosis is confirmed in one of two ways: either there is a second such unprovoked seizure or there is an actively abnormal EEG. The issue of PCS by and of itself means little to nothing when loosely applied, as it often is. However the layperson does not usually realize that a verifiable post-concussion syndrome is technically verifiable (I will submit more citations in a future essay) and that sufferers of PCS have demonstrably altered brain anatomy and function. Some of those functions include diminished ability to concentrate and diminished ability to multi-task. Other features of PCS are impulsivity and emotional lability.

At the beginning of their terms in office, both Wilson and FDR were healthy. Even not considering her psychopathy, we have objective evidence of neuropathology.

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It seems true, as you state, that Sec. Clinton suffered a venous sinus thrombosis in Dec. 2012, and it affected the brain stem, leading to diplopia and her having to wear corrective glasses for period afterward. Even Karl Rove caught that much, although he didn't state it correctly. Technically a CVST is a stroke, although apparently mild in this case.

Could there be mild, lingering effects? Sure, but they're apparently not serious, nor would they be expected to be. There is nothing here that would disqualify her on the basis of her health.

The upshot is that there are plenty of reasons that Hillary shouldn't be POTUS, but this isn't one of them.

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CVST is a stroke--in fact it causes 2% of adult strokes. Stroke--what is a mild one? and how long do you have to wait to tell if there will be later progression? Please await my next essay in which CBST and sequelae will be dealt with in more depth. Karl Rove is a malignant idiot. I trust his utterances no more than I do Her Heinous.

Could there be mild, lingering effects? Sure, but they're apparently not serious, nor would they be expected to be. There is nothing here that would disqualify her on the basis of her health.

Sorry to tell you, but the medical literature does not support that statement. Check it for yourself if you don't believe me. Feel free to show this essay to board-certified neurosurgeons, neurologist, stroke physicians, epileptologists, neuropsychiatrists. I am not afraid of being disproved but, until otherwise rebutted, the gist of my assertions stands.

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Utterly and completely, although I hate to tell you that.

Follow your own advice, and present this data to someone with a credential. They'll tell you the same thing that I am.

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See listing of my credentials elsewhere in this comment file. I have no problem with my essay being submitted to europsychologists, neuropsychiatrists, epileptologists, stroke physicians, Rehab physicians with mTBI, neurosurgeons or neuroradiologists. The problem in this MSM-contorted version of reality and tentacles of the Clinton Mafia (often via the CGI) is that many medical experts may have reason to bias their reports. If neutral clinicians can be found, I most heartily welcome their evaluations. In this politically-charged pre-election era, how do you suggest I obtain such expertise? Please send me a list of qualified specialists you would like me to forward my essay to, and I will immediately do it.

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I don't think we want to consciously elect someone that we know has cognitive problems. If we knew Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's before the election, which is entirely possible, do you think he would have been president?

Years ago, a VP selection was crucified for having seen a shrink! Times change, but not that much.

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He was not in the best of health.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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primarily because we knew what the problem was. We knew he was disabled coming in, and we knew WHY. He had childhood polio, which up to that point was untreatable. However, to the best of my understanding, his bout with polio or his subsequent inability to use his legs to walk had no bearing on his ability to engage in cognitive thinking and function at a hundred percent mentally at a given moment (ie. "normally" or what was considered "normal" in that time).

Epilepsy is a serious medical condition. Accompanying seizures can be controlled somewhat with medication, but that depends on the degree of the seriousness and the reason behind it. Also, the medication? Phenobarbital, last time I had anyone I knew being treated for epileptic seizures. That's not something to fool around with.

If this does not affect Hillary Clinton's cognitive abilities, then just say so. Get it in writing from a doctor and be straight with the American people about it. Frankly, if it DID NOT affect her cognitive abilities and there was no chance of it doing so any time in the reasonably-foreseeable future, her spokespeople should be all over it, reassuring everyone. But that's not happening, is it?

Ask yourself why.

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Alligator Ed's picture

Anticonvulsants have been improved and refined since the phenobarbital days--almost no MDs prescribe it for epilepsy any more. That is not to say that anti-convulsants are totally benign--they aren't; but the types off adverse reactions between drugs varies widely.

SUDEP--a term which many of you have never heard of, is an extremely important phenomenon that occurs in a small proportion of epileptics. SUDEP is an acronym for "sudden unexplained death in epilepsy". This can, and has, occurred even in seizure patients who were seemingly well-controlled on their medication and exhibiting no adverse drug reaction.

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a cousin--had fallen out of a tree and landed on her head. She suffered seizures afterward. This was back in the 1960s, so phenobarbital was the drug of choice. And holy crap, but she hated taking those, cuz they turned her into a zombie. It was horrible. She couldn't/wouldn't take her meds consistently, and I can't say I blame her, because I could tell the difference when she was medicated vs when she wasn't. She committed suicide in the 70s, she just couldn't handle it anymore.

Much later, I rescued a kitty that had been abused--turned out he had seizures, too. We controlled them very well through medical therapy--you'll still get vets prescribing phenobarb for your pet, though. It's reasonably priced (for kitty meds) and he did very well. He died when he was only 6, but we were lucky to have him as long as we did.

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That is such a sad story.

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physical body that was crippled from polio. We didn't have the media presence we have today when FDR ran. He would work hard at keeping the illusion that he was fit. He would be seated or standing at the podium in advance, few people saw him in his wheel chair.

Add to that, he was a mesmerizing speaker at a time of great trouble. People wanted to believe him and probably discarded the idea of his handicap. Just guessing, I was born in 43 and was up in years before I realized the extent of his disability. He just had such a huge personality that made people feel better about things.

Wish we had that today. Bernie came close to articulating a way forward, but endorsing Hillary kind of put the lie to his campaign.

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that is known to the candidate, but hidden (as much as possible) from voters is very different from a healthy person running, but later being victim to an unpredictable event that could have happened to anyone in otherwise great health.

Minimizing his illness and having his medical records under lock and key in the desk of a member of a hospital's administrative staff, Paul Tsongas sought the nomination as a man who was dead four years later. Yes, his cancer was disclosed--he had no choice in that--but he sought to hide the gravity of his illness.

At the very least, citizens deserve accurate disclosure.

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zealots who have dreamed of this for years. Knowing it would be hard to get one elected, coming in from the VP slot would be unstoppable.

Mike Pence is a religious zealot, too. Does it seem odd that both parties are back their two really bad candidates with these guys? Maybe that is the plan. Whether Hillary or Trump are elected, one way or another we will end up with the fall-back VP.

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theocratically, along with a push for a "national religion", which effectively destroys First Amendment protection. Now that a lot of us have seen "Oz, Exposed", so to speak, there needs to be a major divisor that crops up, that supersedes everything else we've known to date.

I shudder to think that something of that nature could work, given how divided we have been already.

Do we think for one minute that someone like Paul Ryan would not go to such lengths to get what they want? I can see Trump having "an unfortunate accident" for any number of reasons, given the enemies he's made in the not-political world, but someone like Clinton? Would they try to doublecross the Clintons to get to such an end game, knowing how powerful they are (and what powerful allies they have (coughisraelcough), and see to it that she "oops, must've had a seizure, fell and hit her head"?

Good lord, we should not even have to be considering this. Unbelievable how our press has been so compromised. This would not have been acceptable, not so very long ago...

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happen to Hillary and/or Bill it would because their allies, not their enemies willed it.

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Important events that are otherwise governmental, like sessions of Congress and Presidential inaugurations are opened and often also closed with prayer, much like a church service. We have a national prayer breakfast, etc. We expect our candidates to disclose their religion and they do, whether they actually follow it or not. (Bush, who made a huge deal of his religion, did not attend religious services regularly. After Reverent Wright became a problem, Obama said he had rarely attended Wright's services and Obama named the Evergreen Chapel at Camp David as his family church. http://www.visionandvalues.org/2014/01/vv-qa-barack-obamas-church-attend...

If a modern politician were to take the oath of office without a Bible, there would be a huge to do about it. Our military has chaplains, as does Congress. Even the Supreme Court, whose job it is to safeguard our rights under the Establishment Clause opens with "God bless this honorable Court" and, in a dictum, excused that as simply tradition. :eyeroll:

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being sworn in on a copy of the Koran - that it was Jefferson's own personal copy made no difference to the howlers.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

I should have specified taking an oath without any "holy" book.

The Constitution says there shall be no religious test for President and the Presidential oath in the Constitution does not mention God. Supposedly, Washington added "So help me God" on his own after taking the oath and, because of that, so has every President since. When Roberts and Obama screwed up the oath of office because both were too arrogant to have a copy of the Constitutional oath in a pocket, Roberts had the nerve to prompt Obama to add "So help me God" when Obama did not do so on his own. (Was everything Obama signed that 2009 Inauguration Day even valid?)

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Damn good point, and a terrifying one... TPTB do have to use crazy people who are either blinded by insatiable greed, like themselves, or who want 'the End Days' to occur so that they eagerly work toward the destruction of life on Earth, thinking that Super-Jesus will swoop down at the last moment to save them, and only them...

Otherwise, some vestigial element of good sense, sanity or conscience might impede that hostile corporate global take-over which ruins the life support system evolving over billions of years of life and wipes out humanity (in all senses) in the process.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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All along he's been saying that she's not well and is just getting by until after the election.
The only thing he got wrong is his theory that she doesn't really want the job, she's just having her strings pulled. She wants it alright. Oh boy, does she ever.

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F the F'n D's

Would TPTB go that far as to put a not-healthy-at-all person on the ticket?

So she can say "she was the first woman elected President." Swear that's all that's keeping her almost upright, and she will be damned if she'll give up before she gets what she wants.

Amazing there was no MSM coverage of her seizure, that head bobbing, and it happened end of July. This is more than a cover-up. This is deliberate deception on the part of all journalists.

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elenacarlena's picture

should go down this road. If she is cleared medically (and you know someone will clear her if it becomes an issue of fitness), then you'll just engender sympathy for her. And if she or anyone else with medical issues is fit to do a job, then I believe they should be allowed to do that job. We should always be willing to give the disabled a break and the chance to show their abilities.

I think we're better off focusing on the issues. Her stance compared to Trump and third parties on various issues, the way her stances flip back and forth, pay for play with the Foundation while she was at the State Department, these are all much more pertinent to whether or not to vote for her, I think.

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Our "leader" should not be forces to be healthy, even though "we" select people in their 60's where shit hits fan.

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I'm pretty sure you're familiar with what I call the Four Generations theory - in my terminology the "saviors", (the "greatest generation") the "spoiled brats", (the "boomers") the "lotus eaters" (the "hippies") and the "depressed". (the present generation)
In my version of the theory the dynamic is in the interaction of two generations - society is defined by who is in their twenties and thirties (because they buy the goods and fight the wars) and who is in their fifties and sixties. (because they are the CEOs and senators and presidents)
Today we are in a "depressed" generation - because the boomers are gobbling up everything that isn't nailed down and investing in crowbars, but who is the ruling generation when the "Greatest Generation" is fighting and sacrificing for the greater good - for the future? Lotus eaters.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

and most people in the 16 - 30 age group 1964 - 1980 were Wallace Democrats. My labels are pretty loose,

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spoken by someone who is ignorant of history, insulting to readers here, and allows demagogues to fill the spaces in his/her cranium with divisive lies to what purpose ... enlighten us? "The boomers are gobbling up everything that isn't nailed down and investing in crowbars..." What does that even mean? And FYI, the boomers were hard hit by the Great Recession. Many lost their houses and are homeless. Most lost their pensions and many lost their life savings. And just try and find a job if you've lost one after the age of fifty. Yep, ageism is alive and well here and everywhere.

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existing conditions, given that we "elect" a Vice President mostly only in theory.

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lunachickie's picture

This is serious stuff. We're not talking about her capacity to walk across a room, for example.

I find the "human frailty" argument to be a bridge too far. To the best of my recollection, we have never not demanded that our potential Presidents be as fully-physically fit as possible--and demonstrably so, medical records are appropriately released, with candidate permission--prior to being selected as the candidate.

Further, if TPTB are hiding a selected candidate's epilepsy from the public, sorry, but IMO, that's gone beyond unacceptable.

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Gerald Ford's clumsiness became a living for Chevy Chase on SNL. No one said that he had a medical condition only the proclivity to fall down on the job (in more ways than one but, not physically impaired)...

Oh, I'm for Jill Stein so no $hill remarks from the gallery please.

Peace
FN

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Alligator Ed's picture

cannon, prone to careening off in different directions at the same time. It's one of the reasons many people won't vote for him. What the American Public needs to understand, is, that by virtual of her possible neuropathology, Hillary Clinton is impetuous and emotionally labile. Sorry if I lack the appropriate political correctness, but such a neurologically damaged (and I am excluding her psychopathy) person cannot be allowed in control of our military and our nuclear arsenal. For the same reason that our military must be physically fit, the same must apply to the Commander-in-Chief. We don't expect her to do 100 push-ups but we do expect her to be able to cooly, rationally consider events and not to be prone to impetuosity, reduced multi-tasking, and emotional lability.
Consider giving the disabled a break, would you want the pilot on your next flight to be epileptic? I don't think many people would.

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from afar. What we know about her medical condition isn't exclusionary criteria by any standard.

She is unfit to be POTUS because of her affiliations, ideology, affinity for war, or any number of other reasons. Having experienced a health issue from which she's 99% recovered doesn't qualify, and as Elena said, pursuing this line will likely backfire.

Please drop it, unless you can demonstrate that she is severely impaired (which by all metrics, she isn't).

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What "metrics" are you referring to? Her MRI scans? Her EEGs? Her neuropsychologic test batteries? Please enlighten me with facts. The sad truth is that we have very little.

Please drop it, unless you can demonstrate that she is severely impaired

No, I will not drop it. This matter is too important to accept your off-hand comments as valid. Give me proof or disproof.

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Does she have uncontrolled seizures? Is she unable to function?

You've demonstrated nothing so far, except an outside chance that she may have an odd tic or two after her episode, which does not impair her cognitive function in any demonstrable form. Your attempt at practicing medicine via Wikipedia is frankly disgusting.

My recommendation to you is that if you are this interested in neurology, then enroll in med school, complete a residency and get board certified. Then we'll talk.

Except that if you actually do that, you'll already understand what I'm saying.

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What medical credentials do you have? Please see my response to a comment below. Please avoid ad hominem attacks--this is not DK. Everything I wrote in my essay is supported by the medical literature linked in the article. Did you read any of it? Did you understand any of it?

My recommendation to you is that if you are this interested in neurology, then enroll in med school, complete a residency and get board certified. Then we'll talk.

For your information I have gone to medical school. I am a Board-Certified Neurosurgeon. What are your superb medical credentials?

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If that were true, you wouldn't have gone off on this crazy rant, and you would have identified the pathology better.

If you're a neurosurgeon, then I'm Napoleon.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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To you calling another poster a liar simply because he is refuting your assumptions of who he is. You in fact do not know he is lying, and unless you can bring any evidence to support he is not who he says he is, then I kindly ask you to stop BAD.

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lest we see another screaming tantrum about how offensively sexist and bigoted we are being.

Approximately 49% of the human race has dicks. 100.000000% of the human race has assholes.

And a few of them like to flaunt theirs.

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I was going to go with STFU but wasn't sure about the policy of that one, so I stuck with TOP jargon of asshollery. Your suggestion for future use has been noted.

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Play me another broken record Joe. Maybe then I'll learn why we pay twice as much for healthcare as everybody else in the world. ~ Not Henry Kissinger

of her uncontrollable head shaking ( when she's wearing the blue suit) - and the startled expression of the person asking her a question.
That is an indication of a serious, serious problem.

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Alligator Ed's picture

As I pointed out, the episode could be a manifestation of pseudo-bulbar affect but also gelastic seizure. Difficult sometimes to tell them apart absent ongoing EEG recording.

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I was trying to ask the question of dervish, not you.
Couldn't understand how he could dismiss your comments, if he had watched the video of Hillary.
Sorry for the confusion.

BTW, thanks again, Alligator Ed for this essay. Still surprised at how the MSM have managed to surpress all this information. Also think the doctors reports are worth nothing, nada, too easy to bribe them, they've got nothing to lose, and a lot to gain by reporting what the Clintons want reported.

Don't think much has changed since the days when docs hid JFK's Addisons - that filled out face and "suntan" from cortisone - tho we didn't know enough to question it then.

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is that most physical disabilities would not limit someone from being President as long as said disability does not impair cognitive function. What we are now questioning is how impaired is she? It appears that she may be more impaired than most people know of. That is probably why she does not hold press conferences and had mostly very small and intimate events when campaigning for the nomination. Now the question becomes how can she not address this issue with these videos that have surfaced.

What I found very disturbing is how her handler had to tell her to keep talking after she appeared to be a deer in headlights over some protestors. That is small stuff, so how is she going to handle the very physically and emotionally stressful job of President? Even her closest aide, Huma Abedin said in an email that Hillary is sometimes confused.

In January 2013, Abedin was concerned that Clinton might miss an early-morning call from Manmohan Singh, the prime minister of India. Abedin discussed the call with Monica Hanley, another Clinton aide.

Abedin: Have you been going over her calls with her? So she knows [S]ingh is at 8?

Hanley: She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her.

Abedin: Very imp[ortant] to do that. She’s often confused.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

So, what do you wanna do, complain to Obama, the MSM, the corporations and foreign governments backing Her (and Bill)? Yeah, just tell them to bring Bernie back from the dead and install him in Hillary's place because it's better for the country to be run by a healthy psychopath than an unhealthy one, and since Hill is unhealthy and definitively has right-frontal epilepsy, she needs to be removed from the sham election, stat!

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According to this article, both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton released their doctors' statements about their medical history. Based upon what I read in the linked article, Clinton has been on blood thinners for several years. Nowhere is epilepsy cited.

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about her. You can read her doc's entire letter here, http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-medical-records

Damn. As of last year anyway, her BP and cholesterol were better than mine.

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I have read the letter. Now for my analysis. Dr. Bardack may be head of internal medicine but she is not a neurologist, epileptologist, neurosurgeon. Nowhere in the 2 page letter, which supposedly encapsulates a very complex medical history do we learn of pertinent medical interventions:
1. What were the results of her post-mTBI imaging?
2. What were the results of her pre and post-DST thrombosis imaging?
3. Exactly what clotting factor abnormalities were examined?
4. Did she have an EEG? If she did, did it contain a sleep tracing?
5. Were neuropsychological tests administered? If they were, what were the results?
6. The listing of "current medications" is not necessarily comprehensive. Indeed she may taking all those drugs--but she might also be taking anticonvulsants, anti-depressants, mood-altering drugs.

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dervish's picture

What would you determine? Is the patient suffering from massive seizures? Is she unable to function in her daily routines? If the previous were true, can her condition be managed through medications?

I don't doubt that Hillary may have the odd tic here or there, but most patients that display her level of functionality after a CVST are fine, and so is she.

I truly hate defending Clinton, but this line of attack is absolutely pointless.

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I don't doubt that you don't like speculation, but you don't get to determine whether it lives here or not; whether you comment the same way multiple times or not will not burnish your cred here, particularly if you're belittling others.

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dervish's picture

I'm an ICU nurse with long neuro experience, married to a neurologist.

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Here to question your statement of who YOU are? And call YOU a liar? YOU see how that works?

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Alligator Ed's picture

He quotes a note from doctor whose qualifications are not stated. It's not satisfactory that we take that doctor's words at face value unless we know a lot more about the situation. Let me just offer a few of the myriad of things concerning HRCs health: what type of neuroimaging did she receive after her TBI, what sort of imaging did she receive both before and after her dural sinus thrombus, did she have an EEG--and if she did, did it include a sleep tracing? Has she been checked for neuroborreliosis (tertiary Lyme disease) or tertiary syphilis? Did she undergo a complete hematologic risk factor analysis, such as for instance including antiphospholipid antibodies, Protein S or Protein C deficiency, Leiden factor V levels?

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I personally have thought that she was not healthy appearing, but I felt I had to link what her own doctor released in all fairness.

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dervish's picture

She experienced a venous sinus thrombosis in 2012, which we knew already. If she is experiencing minor long term deficits from this, which I am not convinced that she is, they are minor enough to not impair her in any significant way. I think that this line of attack is both fruitless and petty.

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Alligator Ed's picture

f she is experiencing minor long term deficits from this, which I am not convinced that she is, they are minor enough to not impair her in any significant way. I think that this line of attack is both fruitless and petty.

I would like to know what medical information you posses which would disprove any of my assertions. To call my serious medical inquiries as fruitless and petty suggests that you join the Hillbots at DK.

Give me facts. What have you to offer?

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dervish's picture

My point is that you're attempting to assert something that can't be asserted. Yes, Hillary had a vascular issue four years ago, as many of us have and will. You can't extrapolate that into unfitness for office unless you can demonstrate that she suffers severe deficits, which of course, you can't.

Your quackery is way off base, please stop, while you're behind.

You may be deep enough into this that you can't see it, but what you fail to realize is that the burden of proof is on YOU to show that she is medically unfit. Nothing you have stated disqualifies her on a medical basis. You haven't shown that her judgment or capacity is compromised in any way by this episode.

I can affirm that her judgment AND capacity is severely compromised by who she is, who she associates with and her ideology. Let's attack her on those grounds, and not on something stupid.

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Alligator Ed's picture

about my personal qualifications, appearing both above and below this comment.

This person is running for President of the United States. THE BURDEN IS ON HER TO PROVE SHE IS MEDICALLY FIT. We have no proof of her cognitive status. The videos as explained in the main body of the essay are focal epilepsy until proven otherwise.

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dervish's picture

This is tedious.

And it won't work here. My vision for Caucus 99 is that a definite brain-drain exists between LOF and here, and that we can benefit from this trend. Highly qualified and brilliant diarists post here. Diaries like this deflect from the main goal.

Seriously, I would consider deleting this diary entirely, but if you are of a conspiratorial mind-set, and believe that I am actually "one of them", then by all means continue, but know that you are fundamentally and entirely off-base. This diary is an embarrassment.

Good day.

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Alligator Ed's picture

your factless ad hominem attacks on the essay serve only to reflect the vacuity of your intellect. You don't bother to rebut a single piece of medical evidence--you have your opinion and you're going to stick to it--facts be damned. All you have presented are mindless ad hominem attacks. I repeat, have you bothered to read the comments I already submitted? Did you follow the links to multiple articles emanating from peer-reviewed journals? You have presented a copious stream of witless, unreflective commentary--see, I can go as hominem, too.

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dervish's picture

required for medical inquiry. You are a fraud, and I am calling you out. You are no neurosurgeon, despite your claims.

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It's our ONE rule here.

Conspiracy Theory is NOT forbidden.

Wild Mass Guessing is NOT forbidden.

Off-the-Wall speculation is NOT forbidden.

Gratuitously slamming and insulting other users is VERY VERY STRONGLY frowned upon.

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dervish's picture

the guy is making claims while stating that he is a board-certified neurosurgeon. I find his claims to be reckless, and completely inconsistent with standard medical practice. Am I an asshole for pointing that out?

I stand by the fact that I think he is a fraud.

If you want to ban me for pointing out a quack, go ahead. That's a hill I'll gladly die upon.

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I think Alligator Ed is lying about his credentials, and that he is no neurosurgeon.

I hope that's clear.

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lunachickie's picture

I'm genuinely curious about that. What qualifies you to make such a claim?

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you are not going to be banned. I'm just asking that you dial back the personal attacks.

FWIW, I am on the fence about this matter.

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dervish's picture

Thanks for your patience.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

you are tiptoeing on the outskirts of DBAA. Either dial it back or take a break from this thread.

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Please stop trying to censor Alligator Ed. He's done his research. I respect his opinion.

Don't think telling him to Just Stop is acceptable.

If this essay disturbs you, then I suggest you stop reading, as well as commenting. Clearly many of us are grateful for the work Alligator Ed has done, and are interested in this research.

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lunachickie's picture

unlike the thought police at LOF, speculation is entirely permitted here.

And not for nothin', but I don't believe you're the sole arbiter of "what will work here".

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dervish's picture

but unqualified assertions like this drag the site down. What we have here is someone who wishes he had something tangible, yet doesn't. This won't fly by anyone's measure, I know it, you know it and everyone else knows it.

Wait for the crash and burn. He's claimed he's a neurosurgeon, yet anyone with even cursory familiarity with the field can see that that isn't true.

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And if that's the only thing that you will accept, then stop dancing around the mulberry bush and just SAY SO!!

At this point there is a variety of circumstantial indicators of varying degrees of reliability (from "sorta" to "not"). There is definitely enough smoke to check it out and see whether it's just a smudge-pot, dry ice, or, possibly, a real fire.

There is also a distinct possibility that her doctors will collude to conceal whatever problems she's having from the general public - it would certainly not be the first time the Medical Establishment has hushed things up (FDR, JFK, probably other instances less familiar).

The bottom line is, if you're for Her and you think She is fine, then go vote for her (and stop slamming people who disagree!).

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dervish's picture

in Dec. 2012, that's well-established. In layman's terms she had a small clot near her brain stem, technically a minor stroke. It affected her vision, and while it's possible that she has residual effects, there is nothing about this incident that would suggest that she is sufficiently compromised to be disqualified. There is no evidence that she's had anything but a near-complete recovery.

What is there not to understand?

I know that people wish that there were a "magic issue" that could somehow side-track her, but this isn't it, believe me.

You can blame me for stating the truth all you want. I have been an ardent opponent of Hillary for a very long time, but this isn't the issue that will bring her down.

Sorry.

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when you claim to be "an ardent opponent of Hillary". That's a well-known Hillbot tactic, to claim to be an "opponent" and yet rush to Her defense by savagely attacking anyone who criticizes Her in any way.

It's not as well-known as the "formerly for Bernie, now for Hillary because reasons" copypastry, but that's because it hasn't been used as much - yet.

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reminiscent of DK, I'm glad it's not just me that sees this.

That means one of two things, in my speculative opinion: either these folk are brainwashed to the point of no return on "demanding proof" before you can even talk about ANYTHING online--which is complete bullshit beaten into their heads by other blogs, and unreasonably so. Or else they're trying to put out a fire before the smoke gets too thick.

And there's certainly something to be said about those who protesteth too much. And it's not flattering, so I think I'll stop now Wink

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but looking at Dervish's comments I'd say Dervish really is a Hillary critic. This conversation obviously has gone beyond polite discourse, but I'd say the participants are legitimate.

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with repeated, blatant attacks on Alligator Ed's credibility, going so far as to label him a quack and a fraud. (That constitutes LIBEL, Mrs. Know-It-All Dervish, which is ALSO a felony, don'tcha know?)

I claim the right to not believe what she says about herself, based on her claims to not believe what other people say about themselves.

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I'm coming from:
I'm a member of a writers' group. One day another member wrote a story about a misogynistic, violent buffoon, an obvious gonzo comedy. The buffoon was no hero, and in fact was the target of much more violence than he committed. One of the other members, a woman (but more on that later) went ballistic in her hatred of the story, immediately crossing the line - every possible line. I attempted to calm the waters by pointing out that the story was obviously a parody of 70s/80s ish macho television, but her response was so over the top (questioning my morality) that I was unable to write for months I was so hurt. In the end we had to ask her to leave the group. (even though her point was legitimate, her behavior was terminal - sound familiar?) Turns out that the woman had spent thirty years as a rape counsellor and he (we) had triggered her. I saw the same sort of dynamic happening here.
I see the people who comment here as friends,(but friends who don't really know each other) and I don't want to see a friend banned when we don't really understand why they act as they do.

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enhydra lutris's picture

Without a ton more evidence than you appear to have you cannot make a diagnosis, and nobody needs to jump through hoops in reaction to everybody who attempts a remote medical or psychological diagnosis without access to the patient or their records. In fact, the making of such diagnoses is generally frowned upon within both communities because there simply isn't sufficient evidence to do so without access toi the patient, their records, and any tests indicated by the suspected diagnosis.

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Alligator Ed's picture

This is a necessity based upon HRC's penchant for not revealing the truth, not even if it involves lying Congress, which comes said she had done. I have proposed some non-invasive, painless and completely safe testing to redone to either confirm or deny my suppositions. Knowing HRC as well as anybody, do you really think you are going to get the REAL information from an unbiased source?
I reiterate what I said in my essay:
1. This is speculative
2. Medical documentation, of course regarding other people, has been presented supporting my suppositions
3. I invited anyone to present my essay to qualified unbiased experts for their review.
I am not afraid of the truth--but Hillary is.

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and the blood clot a result of that. Bill was quoted somewhere as saying that she'd worked hard for six months to recover, which sounded like a stroke or serious brain injury.

There can be a long lag between a head injury and the start of seizures. I knew someone who had been in a coma from a car crash, seemed fully recovered, and developed seizures five years later. So whatever set off her behavioral oddities could be much earlier.

Something is wrong, besides her values.

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elenacarlena's picture

a stomach virus. Also according to her doctor, her concussion symptoms resolved in 2 months even though you're right, I googled it and it was widely reported in the MSM that Bill said it was very serious and took her 6 months to recover.

Now, this is interesting: http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/physician-warns-hillary-suffering-post-concus...

Here I am saying we shouldn't speculate, and yet a medical doctor, a neurologist, is speculating.

Here's Dr. Kassicieh's ratings: Average 3 stars out of 5. 11 reviews. http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/daniel_kassicieh/reviews.html

For comparison, here are the ratings at the same Web site for Dr. Bardack, who is Hillary's doc. Also 3 out of 5, but no negative comments. But only 4 reviewed. http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/lisa_bardack/reviews.html

Take them for what they're worth.

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Alligator Ed's picture

In a coming essay, continuing this exploration of HRC's neuropathology, I will deal with this interplay of mTBI and dural sinus thrombosis (DST). Chronic DST has occurred, preexisting diagnosis for as long as years (documentation coming with next essay).
Did she recover from PCS? There is a formerly hidden e-mail in which Huma Abedin commented to someone else that Hillary was having short-term memory problems. I am not sure of the chronology. 5% of mTBI patients have PCS lasting more than 1 year.

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I'm sure she could get some even after she reverses cannabis legalization. I think I might have less of a problem with her if I knew she was regularly smoking marijuana.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Alligator Ed's picture

Good ole Mary Jane is an extremely complex plant from which no less that 105 different cannabinoids have been isolated. TBD is a cannabinoid found useful in epileptics unresponsive to other drugs, even with the best medical management. We have a problem here with a dearth of information. My conjecture is that HRC has epilepsy, but as noted in the essay, we can say for certain only that she has had a single observed seizure. To make the diagnosis of epilepsy requires either the presence of at least one other unprovoked seizure OR recording of an active epileptogenic focus on EEG. Even proven that she has frontal lobe epilepsy, TBD is not the drug of first choice. It has not been tested with large scale population bases and compared to like cohort taking no anti epileptic drugs. Furthermore, and sad to say, even if Medusa does prove to be epileptic and does use TBD for seizure control, this will in no way ameliorate her psychopathy.

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