The Duran response to the Biden speech

It's really hard for me to respond to Biden's speech, so mostly what I want to do is to post other people's responses to the speech:

I'm not going to go over RBN's response to the speech -- CJ and Nick seem unhinged in their response to the sheer number of unhinged comments to be found on the Internet.

I am left wondering if the Democrats are worth talking to, anymore. They all lined up behind this guy six months ago. Did Trump get the US into this sort of war scene? Well? DID HE? All right, you may go back to your regularly-scheduled Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The NLR article "Impending Genocide" asserts:

Likud officials have called for nuclear strikes as well as a second Nakba.

Well, that will be an ice-breaker. Or maybe Saudi Arabia will unload its dollar-denominated assets when it is admitted to BRICS next year. The real adults in the room, as Alexander Mercouris points out, are the ones in BRICS, and perhaps at some point they will just decide to jettison the US and whatever of Europe follows the US until our lovely country's behavior improves, which is to say, until Team Biden is no longer in power.

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In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.

Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!

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This is from Nick.

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

My mind is numb, my soul is cold. I want to know why we accept this, when Americans end up living on the street, the mentally ill ministered to by the ER and the police, and why we're awash in drugs. Why it's acceptable that kids going to school have an automobile or a shelter as a permanent address. Why we can take care of non citizens at our borders, but not our own. Why billions magically appear for foreign nations, and tough on what we need, we can't afford it. Why bombs are far more important than health or education. Why America is now about somebody making money from every aspect of life, no matter who is harmed, and our government passing handouts to special interests on both sides, but not us.

Why medical care is rationed by how much money can be extracted from us. Why a lot of our medical woes come from the industrial food designed to act like crack. Why the increasing despair we experience eventually morphs into the good old days to be replaced by new and improved despair.

Why and how we accept spin and propaganda as information and news, and politicians rail about where somebody pees. Why we let our leaders off the hook time and time again, only to have to endure the next 2 or 4 year cycle of lies, neglect and abuse all to make sure Zuk Bezosmusk Winfry is comfy and pampered.

We are so broken.

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@Snode "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." -- Frank Zappa

Politics seems to run upon a "bandwagon effect," in which the game everyone plays is "follow the leader." It doesn't seem to matter if the "leader" is some a-hole with dementia: Ronald Reagan suffered from it in the second half of his second term, and Joe Biden is probably in the early stages now. Of course, the game is itself bogus and (to quote Zappa again) “without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.” This truth is where anarchism gets its strength as a way of thinking.

Outrage is common. Appropriate outrage is nice. Intelligence is helpful; intelligence asks, "how can I help?" And so, for instance, we see Daily Beast's attempt to take down Briahna Joy Gray in light of a pseudo-debate about Ukraine:

Not for a second did the guy Gray was talking to, Joe Cirincione, ask himself or anyone else whether or not war, war that has so far killed nearly 500,000 Ukrainian troops, was or is the appropriate solution to his sob story about Ukrainian children. So, no, he's not helpful, nor is he appropriate. He's outraged, though. He would be proof of Frank Zappa's thesis about stupidity were he not merely a distant satellite of stupidity's current vortex, whose name is Joe Biden.

There's a point in one of his political diatribes where Nick of RBN exclaims: "the neocons are fkn CHILDREN." So, as regards children, some advice from Fred Rogers:

"When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, 'Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping."

Maybe this explains why the only country in the Middle East that would meet with Joe Biden was Israel. The other countries' "leaders" were looking for helpers per Mr. Rogers' advice; Netanyahu, on the other hand, was looking for money.

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@Cassiodorus  
Blah blah blah antisemitic trope blah blah blah. — ADL / SPLC / Jewish Insider

https://nitter.net/caitoz/status/1715824853524353059

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@lotlizard from Joe Biden when it's common knowledge they don't like each other, did you?

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

over things I know I will not be able to change in the slightest way. Since Reagan everything has been monetized, even outrage. Fox and wingnut radio have made a fortune being outraged about anything, real or manufactured, and the libs thrive on selective indignation. The media chooses the most uninformative way to convey news. Something happened, be outraged, pick a side. To be constantly outraged over something that in the end there is no way you could influence borders on mental illness.

Why is there no outrage over all the harms and indignities we face as citizens from our government, corporations and the wealthy? Are the kidnapped Ukrainian kids on a par with the babies dumped out of incubators when Saddam invaded Kuwait? I don't know, but we went to war over it anyway, like the Gulf of Tonkin. I can't listen to most programs any more because of the level anger and the reaction it provokes in me, and lack of facts it presents, that in the end means nothing. It's become like the exaggerated acting in the silent film era to take the place of spoken words.

I don't mean to derail your post, it's well thought out. I react poorly to most of the program clips and I'm trying to figure it out.

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@Snode

Why is there no outrage over all the harms and indignities we face as citizens from our government, corporations and the wealthy?

There probably is a lot of such outrage out there. Is such outrage publicized? Organized? Not co-opted? Effective?

In previous diaries, I have argued that the effective thing to do would be to build some sort of institution that could stand outside of the two-party system. The immediate concern, of course, will not be satisfied for a year -- replacing Joe Biden. Pointing this out is why I write diaries such as this one. I'm imagining a future in which the residents of Gaza, -- what's left after Israel has killed 100,000 of them -- are revealed to be suffering from all of the various malnutrition-related ailments. Maybe added to this situation will be events such as Hezbollah singeing northern Israel to a crisp or if the Russians were to hand the Iranians a stockpile of nuclear weapons.

Such events will have to be treated as opportunities. When they happen, ask all of your loyal Democratic Party friends this question: back in 2020 you thought Donald Trump would be Hitler and that his second term would be the end of the world. So you voted for Joe Biden. Where are those thoughts now?

During the Age of Utopian Dreaming, human existence sucked like it does today. What made such existence bearable were the various utopian dreams which spread throughout the world on the wings of the Enlightenment. (Well, utopian dreaming existed before then, but mostly in an escapist capacity, in the sense in which belief in a Heaven is escapist.) Life was short and work was hard drudgery performed every day until you burned out, but at least there was the dream of the Ten-Hour Day and ultimately of the revolution promised in the Communist Manifesto. Here it must be said that the model which inspired the Communist Manifesto was the uprisings of 1848. Later, the inspirational model was the Paris Commune of 1871. You had an organization, the International Workingmen's Association, to make such utopian dreams true.

Later, of course, after the founding of the Trilateral Commission in 1973 and the overthrow of Salvador Allende in Chile that same year, you had the grim years in which the only permitted utopian dream was that of capitalism itself. We are still living through that time, and it is why all of the outrages are so painful -- there is no serious countervailing utopian dream through which we might tell the objects of outrage to fk off, and we are suffering from the complete atrophy of political imagination of which Cornelius Castoriadis complained.

Today there is a concerted effort by a united owning class of the US and of Europe to crush such dreams. (For some reason they have not yet pounded on the doors of the Japanese elites to donate.) They feel so united in crushing such dreams, in fact, that they think they can destroy their own self-proclaimed neoliberal dreams of a pure, universal capitalism, so they can destroy the dreams of the Russians and of the Chinese of a capitalism of their own. Neoliberalism has become neoconservatism, and if you thought neoliberalism was stupid, well... Maybe this is the way the whole capitalist system goes down.

There is still hope.

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@Snode
your two comments in this thread are some of the most important and well-stated things I have read in this entire period of insanity. Thank you for saying what you said so well. It helps me to stay rational to know someone is thinking humanely and clearly.

I also struggle constantly with frustration that our political leadership is totally lacking in humanity, totally lacking in the foundations of our mental and spiritual grounding. They hammer the fact that they respect no laws. Laws against bombing hospitals, schools, churches, and residential neighborhoods don't apply IN THIS CASE, in Palestine, whereas they would apply if Russia were violating them in Ukraine. The cognitive dissonance of supporting swastika-wearing troops in Ukraine while calling Putin Hitler, culminating in honoring an SS veteran of Ukraine in Canada, is supposed to condition us to what? Bewilderment? Paralysis? Gob-smackedness, whatever that means?

They behave so violently as to shock us into emotional shutdown. They use the Holocaust to establish our guilt and compassion about it, and then commit genocide, the mass murder of children, in front of our eyes, to avenge it! They paralyze us with this moral and LEGAL insanity.

I think the word MUTINY, which appeared in the HuffPost article this week about State Department opposition to our policy in Israel, is a word we should think about. Seriously. I think we should begin talking about states declaring independence from the death machine that is our federal government. We should not be forced to give up our humanity or to give up our minds in order to be governed by a cabal of psychopaths.

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@Linda Wood

I’ve been gobsmacked at this too.

The cognitive dissonance of supporting swastika-wearing troops in Ukraine while calling Putin Hitler.

They also call Russian soldiers Nazis. Again I’ll point out that Americans are very ignorant of history.

They use the Holocaust to establish our guilt and compassion about it, and then commit genocide, the mass murder of children, in front of our eyes, to avenge it!

Yep. And they have the audacity to say NEVER AGAIN while they proceed to do what was done to them and the fcking world closes its eyes to the hypocrisy. No wonder so many people are feeling overloaded with all kinds of feelings. I’m so appalled at the carnage in Gaza and the West Bank. The Jewish settlers have gotten permission to attack the people there while the military looks on and doesn’t do anything to stop them.

Never again needs to be retired and never used again after this.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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@snoopydawg Israel reveals plans for 'three-phase war' in Gaza, starting with airstrikes and ground manoeuvres, then moving in to eradicate pockets of resistance and then ceasing Israel's 'responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip'

In other words, stage 3 is genocide. So yeah. Of course, as Christoforou points out, the whole "plan" is gibberish, let's make collective punishment sound good to idiots or something. Should be a piece of cake, like Victoria Nuland's plan to destroy Putin's regime.

And, yeah, $100 billion. Most of it for Ukraine.

Here's the Christoforou video:

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@Snode

from one of the comments:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/netanyahoos-strategic-dilema.html#...

… Mankind's moral compass is usually pretty reliable and the public is beginning to see through the imperialist propaganda. The realisation that many more than forty Palestinian babies have been beheaded, mangled, crushed and otherwise killed by bombs dropped by Israelis but built and paid for by politicians 'on our behalf'is truth that will only grow in impact.

Israel's dilemma is more than strategic. And its more than Israel's.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 21 2023 15:16 utc | 10

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@Linda Wood Here's the link:

Netanyahoo's Strategic Dilemma

Here is the key phrase in Moon of Alabama's post of today:

Netanyahoo's next idea was to starve Gaza. But the world will not let him do that. At least not beyond a certain point. Even the UN Secretary General has visited the Rafah crossing. Other global organizations, like the WHO and ASEAN, have spoken up. Pictures of starving people will make it impossible for the west to support that 'solution'.

Well, okay, except I'm not seeing how the world will not let the current Israeli regime cause catastrophic famine in Gaza. For all we know, this has already happened. The most likely scenario I see is this: Ethiopia-style famine erupts in Gaza. Food aid organizations run ads on "The View" and other such pablum pleading: Please donate. Sarah McLachlan composes a sad song about the whole thing. The neoconservative liberals plead ignorance: gee, how were we to know? Joe Biden virtue-signaled for us, so our sh*t doesn't stink. The rest of the world notices that its vision is clearer than ever: these people are idiots.

Can Moon of Alabama be gotten to respond to such a comment?

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@Cassiodorus Remember Syria? I sort of remember...... vaguely....something.

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@Linda Wood it feels like the U.S. is just a colony of Israel. It meddles in our elections and policies, and we send weapons and money. Their policy is our policy.

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@Snode

I posted last night in the blues. It’s really worth watching.

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@snoopydawg I saw the picture of the slaughter of the Iraqi army by us on the highway retreat and skipped. Every time I think we used to be better I get proven wrong and something inside wilts a little more.

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@Snode

B on MoA is saying much of what Ritter says in his video so you can glance at it and see if you want to read about how Israel is between a rock and a hard place. They go into Gaza and Hezbollah attacks northern Israel. If Israel nukes Iran then Pakistan nukes Israel.

Biden is in the same place as Bibi because he’s given away so many of our weapons that Israel now needs. And if Biden commits troops then American bases get bombed. I’ve heard of a 3 way stalemate, but this stalemate might go down in history. Good or bad. Then there’s Ukraine and Russia not to leave out China and Taiwan.

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@Snode

I agree with both your comments and say that you nailed how I’m feeling too.

Thanks.

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https://www.jta.org/2023/02/01/ny/an-nyu-student-wrote-f-k-israel-on-a-p...

And:
Encyclopedia Britannica writes about decolonization in the Pacific, and entirely erases Hawai‘i.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Pacific-Islands/Independence-movements

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@lotlizard

reminds one of Israel presenting a map of the new Mideast to the UN with the
Palestinian state erased. Let's pretend the past is conveniently different.

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