@boriscleto 20% at best.

I doubt most people give a shit about what Trump says or the Dems say.

We have been living in a post-truth world for a long time. By that I mean that I suspect the majority of people do not trust the sources of information available to us to make a determination as to what is truth and what is a lie. Cynicism about the narrative we are sold is at an all time high.

are what percentage of the population? What percentage of the electorate?

@Raggedy Ann Clinton (HER) has her own cult, and the color orange.

This is typical of supporters. Obummer's supporters were the same way. I was that way about the ones I supported until I wised up.

@DonMidwest

Especially your own conclusions:

...the democrats won't stop Trump either since they are tied to neo liberal economics

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1. climate denial slippery slope of attack on truth and rationality which has been path of facism

2. never had a coherent plan for land. Ask native americans.

3. the latest move by dems to take oil money shows they are not on what is needed, "keep it in the ground"

I don't know why I didn't make the connection. The US is the only climate denier nation because they have no connection to the land. The US is a genocide nation. The US is in denial about anything related to the land. That's explains the recklessness and the death wish toward the environment. The willingness to allow capitalism to kill them.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Truth isn’t truth.

That is the first paragraph of Krugman's column today.

The G.O.P.’s Climate of Paranoia

Second pararaph

Rudy Giuliani’s latest bon mot is a reminder, if anyone needed it, that calling the Trump administration Orwellian isn’t hyperbole, it’s just a statement of fact. Like the ruling party in “1984,” Donald Trump operates on the principle that truth — whether it involves inauguration crowd sizes, immigrant crime or economic performance — is what he says it is. And that truth can change at a moment’s notice.

Krugman says GOP been moving that way for years

Climate denial is a deeply cynical enterprise;...

..

Most of article on how science attacks led to trashing truth

last paragraph

And as he lashes out, with no regard for law or the Constitution, will other Republicans try to hold him back? All the evidence suggests that they won’t.

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My favorite polymath, Bruno Latour today posted 3 tweets on this article. Bruno argues that for the last 30 years the main organizing actor in global politics is the earth and thus climate.

He thinks it is important that Krugman finally acknowledged the force of the climate

@BrunoLatourAIME Aug 21, 2018

Krugman confirms today that the denial of climate change is the mother of all fake news. Long before Trump, the GOP has declared that 'its kingdom was not of this world' mixing up Christian ideals and denial. The rest of the planet is 'left behind'. https://nyti.ms/2nRKWHc

@BrunoLatourAIME Aug 21, 2018

Climate denial by Trump -the only coherent plank of his chaotic platform- tends to show that this is not an aberration but that it reveals the truth of a country which never knew how to settle on a legitimate relation to its land.

@BrunoLatourAIME Aug 21, 2018

It appears that this is the first time Krugman http://nyti.ms/2nRKWHc recognises that the new climatic regime explains a lot of the political landscape, rendering obsolete most positions taken during the old climatic regime.

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Since the climate has organized politics, the democrats won't stop Trump either since they are tied to neo liberal economics

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looking at the 3 tweets
1. climate denial slippery slope of attack on truth and rationality which has been path of facism

2. never had a coherent plan for land. Ask native americans. Ask people who want to stop fracking. etc. Dakota access pipeline made water a political actor.

3. the latest move by dems to take oil money shows they are not on what is needed, "keep it in the ground"

@CB
One could switch every "Trump" with "Her", etc..

Not surprising, in the least, though. As long as it's not Trump, and even if it's the biggest Corp Blood-lusting Dem under the sun, then they're perfect and going to be the next end all, be all. But hey, at least they're not Trump!

Re-read the fucking thing. It stinks of bias in almost every sentence.

As the president retreats even sooner than expected to that inevitable position—"Collusion is not a crime!"—his larger project seems to be coming to fruition.

(assumes that there WAS collusion)

From the earliest days of his political career, one of the most prodigious liars in modern history has railed against the media and its bias against him.

(I can think of other prodigious liars on the left - Obomber, Killary)

When "fake news" emerged as a specific term describing made-up stories pushed by non-journalists on Facebook to harvest ad revenue, Trump immediately coopted it into an attack The Mainstream Media—that is, real journalists.

(needs no explanation)

The entire article continues in that vein.

I'm not a supporter of the Trumpeter but this POS is just a thinly disguised hit piece which actually actually proves he is correct.

Do the same poll but change "Trump" to "Hillary". The key words are "STRONG TRUMP SUPPORTERS".

Esquire has been publishing a steady stream of Russia! Russia! Russia! Putin! Putin! Russia!

The Hard Truth Keeps Trickling Out, Little by Little
Jun 13, 2017

It increasingly looks like Russian hackers may have affected actual vote totals.

The last outpost of moderate opinion on the subject of the Russian ratfcking during the 2016 presidential election seems to be that, yes, there was mischief done and steps should be taken both to reveal its extent and to prevent it from happening again in the future, but that the ratfcking, thank baby Jesus, did not materially affect the vote totals anywhere in the country.
...

How Russia Pulled Off the Biggest Election Hack in U.S. History
Oct 20, 2016

Putin, Wikileaks, the NSA and the DNC email fiasco that gave Trump and Clinton another reason to be at odds.
...

Here's Esquire's obsequious drivel about Hillary:
(make sure you have a barf bag handy)

Hillary. Happy.
She has lived the most extraordinary American life.
...
She was always in the process of becoming. There was always the sense that she became one thing on the condition that she could become another: that she became First Lady on the condition that she could become senator, and that she became senator on the condition that she could become president. There was always another layer to which she could aspire, and the aspiration, as much as the accomplishment, is what gave her meaning. More than any other figure of her generation, her public ambitions were tied to her self-actualization, and her quest for self-actualization is what turned out to be public property. It belonged to anyone who, well, loved her. She was able to pursue her public ambitions in the conviction that what she was doing she was doing for others, and those who followed her could follow her in the conviction that what they were doing they were doing for themselves. It is why she could be so careful and cautious a candidate, and at the same time drive people crazy.
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@ggersh After years of Obama/HRC bullshit wrapped in a pretty package, who wouldn't be ready for a different approach?

Here I am watching his rally in West Virginia. Here he is laying this out about N. Korea: we got the hostages back, there have been no more rockets sent in the air, etc. Then he says something to the effect that do we know what will happen? He says no, we don't know where this will go, but it just might go well. Then he talks about Nato, and how he told them that they have to pay their share, or the US won't back them up. He talks about some unfair trade situations with China, Canada and says he wants these countries to prosper, but not with such unfair pricing. Then he says that people are bugging him about the way S Korea has not yet been resolved - he says to let the situation ripen, or cook enough, like a turkey has to cook for hours to be good. Then he talks about why he wanted the capitol of Israel moved to Jerusalem - the issue had been a sticking point for decades, so he believes it is now off the table. Now peace efforts can move forward, and now that the Israelis received something good, it is now for the Palestinians to receive something big.

This is honest discourse. Bernie speaks the same way. Trump is genuine-even if he is incorrect. There is none of this slow, deliberate speech like Obama, where you can see Obama practically rehearsing everything and thinking about how to arrange words to best manipulate his audience (similar to other politicians).

You may disagree with what Trump does on any number of policies (like many of us do), but he is being quite open about what he did, why he did it, and where he thinks his efforts might go.

either I trust him or the liberal media
and he sadly wins hands down every time

@Bollox Ref

Right, because I would implicitly trust a guy who's gone bankrupt several times??

At least one of which was with a casino.

How the F do you go bankrupt running a casino?

a guy who's gone bankrupt several times?? And lies daily.

Who are these people?

(Headshake)

@Bollox Ref How do you trust anyone in public office? We know who they work for.

a guy who's gone bankrupt several times?? And lies daily.

Who are these people?

(Headshake)