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A Morning Consult/Politico poll from January showed that while a plurality of Americans supported the decision to withdraw from Syria, 59 percent of those who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 opposed it, with 26 percent supporting. Compare this to a whopping 76 percent of Trump voters who support withdrawal. Only 14 percent oppose.
This is an astounding role reversal regarding the stance of both major parties on war and peace.
This is why prominent Democratic presidential contenders who are antiwar could be crucial in determining the direction of the party.
Glenn Greenwald sees the same danger. “All of this has resulted in a new generation of Democrats, politically engaged for the first time as a result of fears over Trump, being inculcated with values of militarism and imperialism, trained to view once-discredited, war-loving neocons such as Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and David Frum, and former CIA and FBI leaders as noble experts and trusted voices of conscience,”
I was looking through various outlets for different takes on the "End of Russiagate", and stumbled upon them, and read a couple of other articles that also seemed to make sense.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/will-democrats-go-full-...
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rejecting-the-entire-mi...
And of course: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/it-was-all-a-lie/
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Yep. It's all coordinated psy-ops.
Rs are losing the IdPol war, so Ds are stepping in to manufacture consent for actual war.
I blame the changing military.
Robots and Drones are very appealing to Technocrats. They think they're going to keep their hands clean while the machines do all the crimes. Nobody's guilty, and nobody has to worry about it.
War is never clean and simple, but the sanitized images make it so much more appealing to those who just want to erase their problems.
After all, which would they rather listen to? An old soldier who tells them it's a horrible, terrible thing, but he and his men will do what is necessary... Or a nice clean man in a business suit who hands you some statistics and says you don't need to worry about it?
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYCgvCwYvAA]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Speaking of crimes
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-u-s-deserves-its-own-nuremberg-tri...
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
After watching the country deteriorate since Reagan's tenure
and then everything that has happened after the Day it's easier to understand how it "happened to Germany's good folks."
Even if people saw what was happening what chance did they have to stop it? The same chance that we do? Millions around the world marched against the Iraq war and yet they did it anyway.
Corruption is legal and nothing we do matters to the PTB. The video shows that no matter if we protest, sign petitions, email or phone calls congress hasn't changed a vote in 20 years. Maybe Obama backed off from his red line in Syria, but I think that had more to do with congress than us.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
It must have been terrifying, to say the least,
to oppose the Nazis from within Germany.
But the analogy to our position is inexact, because in the 1930s, the ruling class had not yet outstripped the ordinary people in weapons technology to the degree they have now. Nor did they have the kind of surveillance technology that their counterparts have now. If they had, the various resistance movements in Europe would have had a far worse time, and history might have proceeded somewhat differently.
It's the massive advantage they have in weapons and surveillance technology that makes the idea of revolution (in the traditional sense) almost outdated. Which is a terrifying prospect, because it removes a check on the powerful that has existed from the beginning of civilization. When, exactly, the tech gap became so great that revolution became unfeasible is hard to say, but it certainly has been for some time.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A nice, clean POC, Harvard Law graduate in a business suit —
Meanwhile, in Germany the Green-Left daily newspaper Taz finally, half-heartedly, concedes that it’s time to move on from Russiagate — for tactical reasons, because “it only helps the populists” (not because it was always a lie and Deep State psyop from start to finish).
https://www.taz.de/Kommentar-Trump-und-Russiagate/!5579991/
Foreign affairs editor Bernd Pickert still repeats the claim that Russian clickbait on Facebook influenced the election in Trump’s favor.
Seriously, like their Democratic party counterparts in America, most of the Green-Left spectrum in Germany is completely off the rails and suffering from acute Trump Derangement Syndrome.
How sad is it that, when it comes to foreign policy in general and NATO wars (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and, coming soon, Colombia-Venezuela) in particular, even Compact magazine and the local AfD make more sense than my former Green and left allies, whose brains seem to have been taken over and colonized by U.S. neocons and the Council on Foreign Relations?
A sane mind would not read too much in this
style of poll generated opinion. At least I wouldn't. And I was certifiably sane last time tested. So I presume some of the rest of the independent thinking class may agree, to some degree. Caca on a shiny stick, methinks.
I'm crazy, so I don't worry too much about it.
Because It's been confirmed by my personal memory and experience. Those that Supported Hillary the loudest also screamed about our withdrawal because TRUMP was going to do it.
Course I understand that now, we aren't leaving.
After all, a couple hundred troops here, and a couple hundred troops there, and pretty soon you're talking about maybe having boots on the ground...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XaS93WMRQQ]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Yea, you right
Last time tested, was also certifiably insane. Crazy as a bat house spaghetti brain salad nut baked weird with a slightly off kilter cherry on top. The two opposing certificates are not as cancelling as may seem. It's just nice to prove, if another should wonder.
I, too, have a certificate of sanity,
. It was meant to support visitation with my children, but that didn't work out. But it is kind of fun to have...as most people don't.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Thanks for these
articles at the American Conservative, Bisbonian. They give me hope.
As I keep saying...
Soft Trump voters are extremely movable to a true anti-war candidate.
Really the only way the Dems can ever hope to beat him actually.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Well, there's fraud.
Whatever the down sides of this psy-op, they've certainly inoculated the Dems against accusations of a rigged election. At this point, most Americans probably would rather never hear such an accusation again.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Tulsi's rejection of ID Pol and her stronger anti-regime change
war position makes her very attractive to some on the "other" side. I wasn't surprised to see her mentioned favorably the articles and comments you cited.
Trump Derangement has made too many D's nuts. Bernie lost me when he when "Russia, Russia" on us.
ps Bernie has always been weak on foreign policy. Does anyone know his stance on regime change war now?
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
One thing that always stood out for me was
Obama's approval rating among democrats, which was around 80% his entire tenure. Now, for those of us that know the deal, Obama is a master liar, a major fucking hypocrite and an imperialist warmonger. So to think that 80% of democrats support him, it just shows how shall I say, ill-informed most democrats are, or they just don't care.
For me, I knew before the first 100 days that Obama was going to be an imperialist warmonger, and I wrote about it on the Daily Kos (so I have proof). And with Hillary the Evil Clinton as SOS, they cemented the fact that both major political parties are completely captured by the oligarchy and most of their supporters are completely captured by the propaganda. So those figures are no surprise. It goes a lot deeper than that relative to the reasons, but don't have time.
Of course as far as Trump supporters
supporting Trump's fake withdrawal, heh. That's hilarious. Just shows how tribal people are. Same people who supported Bush's wars and support Trump on Venezuela and Iran want to get out of Syria! Oh this game is so sick. That is the power and never-ending result of this duopoly political system is a country of 330 million people.
You're so right.
It's a team sport.
It's just possible
that some of them were alienated by the Bush debacle.
He came very close to discrediting war in this country.
That's why they need a Big Evil to make him look good by comparison and give him the opportunity to repair his reputation (all it takes is to say you don't like Trump--an easy bar to jump). Same with all the other Iraq War shitheads.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've seen the Glenn Greenwald quote
It TERRIFIES ME.
It's like...all my blood, sweat, and tears of the past 15 years, putting off my every personal hope and dream because my conscience would not let me have a single day's happiness while this EVIL was calling the shots, has all been for NOTHING. Nevermore. Damnatio Memoriae.
I'm an American civilian...yet I STILL wind up one of Bush's victims.
What's left for me now...?
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!