Classic diaries: real critique of the Sanders campaign as opposed to "sellout" criticism
Dear Caucus 99 percenters,
This was my last post at Daily Kos. I may post there further, but right now it doesn't look likely. (GBCW diaries are stupid, by the way.) This diary sure as heck is pertinent to today's situation. How is the "Sanders revolution" going to survive the primaries? I'm not seeing meaningful answers -- as far as I can tell, there is no plan to take over the Democratic Party, no plan to educate the electorate, no plan to deal with the hot mess that the Green Party became after 2004, nothing, and if Sanders loses, it's all for nothing. Michael Yates, here, had a meaningful answer.
At any rate, I received responses to this diary falling into four groups:
1) "Nice diary" without comment.
2) "Don't call it education" as if that were a bad thing.
3) "We're doing this already" as if we shouldn't be doing more of it
4) "Sanders supporters don't need education" as if everything were totally kewl with Sanders' campaign.
I'm hoping this group can do better. Oh, and let's get Greywolfe's diary crossposted here, 'kay? It's funny.
You probably didn’t catch this — I caught it because I’ve been cultivating friends on Facebook. At any rate:
Bernie Sanders’ “Political Revolution”
Michael D. Yates is, I hope, a fan of “Cassiodorus” here at DailyKos.com — he did tell me at one earlier point that he liked a post of mine. At any rate, his most constructive suggestion is well worth heeding:
If Sanders and his “Sandernistas” wanted a “political revolution,” they would use his campaign to begin the long, arduous process of radical education. There would be teach-ins and public meetings in towns large and small. No political event, no protest, no rally would be fail to have an educational component. Sanders’ talking points could be used to deepen understanding, by asking questions and pushing the discussions toward fundamental causes. And connections between inequality and a host of other problems, including the environmental catastrophes that are raining down upon us and threaten the viability of human life itself, could be made. The exploitative and murderous role of the United States in the world could be debated and analyzed. The connections between race and class, and the need to confront racism head-on could be critically examined. When the right questions are asked, it becomes difficult not to begin to grasp that it is capitalism that is the root cause of inequality, the power of the billionaire class, the lack of meaningful employment, the endless wars, the rise of police states, and the utter demise of democracy.
If we did these things, it wouldn’t matter if Bernie Sanders became the Democratic nominee, nor would it matter if he became president. But if they don’t happen, if we say, as we usually do, that now is not the time for them, we have to get out the vote, they will never take place.
So OK a question for Sanders people: is this sort of thing actually happening at Sanders events yet? And, if not, then why not? I can’t claim to be much of an authority on Sanders events at this point — the only one I saw in my neighborhood (as was listed on BernieSanders.com) was apparently canceled. And I suppose there’s a logistics situation, too: are people ready to conduct teach-ins?
And another piece of advice should be heeded — this one from an older book titled Capitalist Sorcery, by Philippe Pignarre and Isabelle Stengers, having to do with how radical education is conducted. (Pignarre and Stengers wrote in the aftermath of the antiglobalization movement of the turn of the century.) Here is the important quote:
If anticapitalists can learn to approach what the cry from Seattle was raised against in a pertinent manner – that is to say, in a way that creates the appetite for an effective type of hold, and not a taste for veracious denunciation – perhaps they will encounter interested partners, and not lost souls who need to be converted (p. 22).
If we’re out there conducting teach-ins in radical education, we cannot be out there with the attitude that we’re going to “convert lost souls.” It has to be: you bring your opinion, I bring mine, and we attempt to deepen our understanding of how things are.
One thing is for sure: having told us that nothing would happen without a “political revolution,” Sanders won’t amount to anything — he won’t even win the nomination — without that political revolution. And “electing more Democrats” isn’t going to make the political revolution all by itself either. You need a popular uprising, and for a popular uprising your political revolution needs an educational component.
What’s the alternative? Corey Robin:
The American ruling class has been trying to figure out for years, if not decades, how to manage decline, how to get Americans to get used to diminished expectations, how to adapt to the notion that life for the next generation will be worse than for the previous generation, and now, how to accept (as Alex Gourevitch reminded me tonight) low to zero growth rates as the new economic normal. Clinton's campaign message isn't just for Bernie voters; it's for everyone. Expect little, deserve less, ask for nothing. When the leading candidate of the more left of the two parties is saying that -- and getting the majority of its voters to embrace that message -- the work of the American ruling class is done.
The alternative is, to put it bluntly, domestication. Sanders packs up his campaign, endorses Clinton, goes home; capital plans for some nice “free trade” agreements. And good luck with the food stamp applications!
Request for the comments: Please include in your discussion ideas of how an educational campaign could be attached to the Sanders campaign. Can we keep it constructive?
Comments
What can I say?
I halfway expect Hillary to pick Rahmbo as her Chief of Staff, too!
Self-exiled from DKos, ahead of the arrival of the Clinton Thought Police.
Markos' transition from gatecrasher to gate-polisher is now complete.
My first Clinton Presidency prediction....
Debbie Wasserman-Schulz will be her Chief-of-Staff. Bank on it.
Progressive to the bone.
I'd almost expect an even more BLATANT Fuck You...
to the hippies.
Dick Cheney.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I can't answer your question about an
educational component attached to Bernie's campaign. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I've been pretty down the last week, so don't expect anything positive out of me. I think we are getting the government our species deserves. Breaks my heart and pisses me off, but I don't think it can be stopped until the parasites kill and consume their host. We are seeing the future, and this is it.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I think Clintons are counting on us being "pretty down"
I briefly visited reddit last night and was appalled at the number of threads that had people complaining about Bernie's campaign and their lack of organization. They were complaining that volunteers were getting poorly treated by the campaign and that there were a number of them that were going to give up.
Knowing how the Clintons infiltrate as a means of disrupting (look at Dkos) I was wondering if some if not most of those people complaining the loudest were Clinton minions trying to "end this thing." It was hard for me to believe that Bernie has come this far with the total lack of campaign organization that was cited at reddit. Nobody would really be able to check to see if those people were legit or not, but I sure went to bed last night wondering if this is not the next stage for the HRC campaign...discourage the "hangers on."
Communication is lacking
From personal experience it isn't a lack of organization, its a lack of open communication.
I have tried many times to communicate my ideas, and, or framing, that I felt would help/ work for Sanders. There are no open channels, like there is for money, to communicate these ideas with the top people of his campaign. Bernie's supporters are passionate, creative, and have great ideas, and want to be involved. If we art given the tools to either communicate these ideas, or enact them, then it is energy lost and I feel that this will be the reason why the campaign loses.
Would fragment a campaign
There are, literally, thousands of people who have "good ideas" - and the best way to communicate them to a campaign is to go to the staff member in YOUR STATE, or local area. Trying to communicate directly into the main campaign headquarters is not the most effective way to get information to the campaign. Some of the ideas could be implemented locally, or regionally very effectively.
Having been on the other end of the "suggestions" - it can create more chaos, trying to communicate appreciation, one on one to every one who is trying to pass on ideas.
Campaign headquarters, the "top people" really aren't the best recipients of any ideas.
Communicating with the Sanders State Campaign
The day of the formal Sanders IL state campaign launch, I remarked to one of the IL Sanders' campaign staffers that I noticed there were no young people speaking at the kick-off event which was well-attended. There were some great speakers (CTU, Transportation Workers Union, Nurses United, local politicians), but not one of the speakers was younger than 40.
A few days later I and two other activists met with Sanders' campaign communications staff person to get a feel for whether the campaign would be interested in meeting with representatives from various grassroots organizations to discuss ways we could assist with GOTV efforts in Chicago. There was one meeting which the Sanders' national campaign liaison attended BRIEFLY, and then the meeting ended with a plan to have another meeting which eventually got cancelled.
The campaign staff said that the campaign had to vet anyone or any organization they would use as a surrogate. So, the IL campaign hadn't figured out by the time of the kick-off who among the many young activists in Chicago or in the state they could afford to acknowledge. Eventually, they settled on Ja'Mal Green as a surrogate.
A few days after the kick-off, they opened their headquarters office and other state offices (but interestingly, they didn't open their first office on the South Side until a week later). The campaign's efforts to canvass in the AA community was very unfocused and weak. Even the grassroots activists' efforts in Bronzeville were weak. None of the 3 marches held in Chicago prior to the primary went to the south side. The last march held the Saturday before the primary went from Daley Plaza to Michigan Ave.!!!
Hence, the protest at the Trump rally at UIC on the same night as the Summit, IL rally. That UIC Trump rally protest was organized by grassroots activists. I met several of them at Sanders marches in January, February, and March.
The Sanders campaign lost the City of Chicago in predominantly AA areas.
Thank you
Thank you for highlighting this.
I called locally, but only reached people who wanted my name and directed me to donate.
My idea was having Bernie frame the education debate in terms of:
"Only our children should profit from their education, not for profit companies or politicians."
Even if
his campaign fails, the feat of going from almost no name recognition less than a year before the primaries started to giving HRC a run for her money is impressive. What will be most interesting to watch is what happens after the primary, should HRC secure the nomination. Do all the Sanders supporters suck it up and vote for the shit sandwich with mustard? Or does the progressive movement pick up steam and eventually retake control of the Democratic party from the third way, neo-liberal, diet republicans.
I think that regardless of the way the Sanders campaign goes, there's a very fundamental shift that is going on in the Democratic party. The republicans (I refuse to capitalize the party name if you haven't picked that up ) are at the end stage of their transformation from somewhat moderate and reasonable, to absolutely bat shit crazy. And look at who is way out in front of the pack on their side. It doesn't matter that the republican party is at risk of completely imploding, that would be a good thing; just like an implosion of the Democratic party would also be a good thing. The biggest stumbling block is campaign finance and the ability of the ruling class to wield far too much power. Ending citizens united and reinstating the fairness doctrine would go a long way towards leveling the playing field.
Civil debate is all but lost, especially since most debate takes place on the internet where you all know things can get VERY ugly. Presenting cogent arguments with supporting evidence and not resorting to ad hominem attacks and vulgarity goes a long way. Whether debating with a "Trumpette" or an HRC supporter, the rules of debate that you follow should be the same. And watch for logical fallacies, on both ends.
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Bernie Sanders has got himself a Bully Pulpit, and I don't think he is taking that for granted. I believe that we will see a lot of Sanders after the primary, no matter how it turns out. Even if he tells us to vote for Clinton...he should assure us that he will support our movement, take every opportunity to spread our message and help folks organize all over the country.
And...speaking of his "talking points"...I think those very talking points have been "teachable moments" already. Many people in this land have not taken time to give these ideas much consideration. I believe the interest generated during this election will blossom and grow and reach many more people than it has so far. AND...again, I believe Sanders will be promoting that progress all along. He has started a conversation that is long overdue.
He has given new life to the conversation among us, and he has kick-started the conversation among folks who were not involved and not aware. Let's give this movement a chance to flourish. I believe Bernie Sanders has given us a moment, and I believe we will run with it.
He is brilliant and courageous. Let's see how it goes. Even if this appears to fizzle out...teaching and learning are taking place all the time, all over the world. Some of that had its origin in Occupy Wall Street. These things don't die. They may go underground for a time, but the movement, I believe, has begun in earnest. And, no matter how the primary ends, it's gotten a lot of juice from the process.
First time in my almost 71 years...
I feel just as dkmich has written: " I think we are getting the government our species deserves. Breaks my heart and pisses me off, but I don't think it can be stopped until the parasites kill and consume their host. We are seeing the future, and this is it. "
Haven't gone into the anger stage yet, still in the terribly, terribly desolate place. Thought the Sanders campaign was the catalyst which was going to bring decades of work together in a constructive, effective, successful drive, rebuilding the Democratic party, Democratic Socialism.
Maybe it really is lost. Can still hear the voice of my favorite college professor, Howard Zinn, that's 1965, honestly surprised now, how much I've given up hope we could create the vision of which Bernie Sanders speaks so powerfully. We can SEE the response, yet, we keep falling short.
Can't bear to hear Clinton's voice. Thought idea of Clintons back in the White House was as bad as it could get. Then, Donald Trump. Worse, Ted Cruz.
How did we get to this place. Is it the fire, the ashes, do we believe in the Phoenix? Maybe too close to the loss to ask the question. Don't know. After a life of activism, grass roots organizing, lobbying for non-profits working for women in development, damn, just don't know what's next after this loss.
I know - so down and disappointed
But I haven't given up just yet, and no one else should either.
The thing I hate about this country, and have hated since the 2000 election fiasco, is this inability to wait and let things comes to their rightful conclusion.
This sin't directed at you, just thinking out loud. I can't believe that volunteers would give up and start pointing fingers. What good does that do? And to buy into the media's desire to quickly wrap up the primaries as if most of the country hasn't even voted yet. Its absurd.
I'm so frustrated this week.
Haiku
My comments weren't in any way meant as criticism, thank you for understanding that. Also not giving up, but honestly have no idea what's the best thing to do, except to trust Bernie's campaign to keep doing the best it can, and see it though to the convention.
After that, will vote down ballot, if Bernie isn't nominee.
We have to find a way to take back the media
Whether it's making sure everyone has free high-speed access, agreeing on a few political blogs and finding ways to massively advertise them, funding an alternative newspaper in every city and town in the country, taking over radio stations, working to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine like our lives depend on it, or other ideas, we cannot let Limpaugh and Faux rule our national dialogue. There was a study showing that when people are afraid, they turn authoritarian. And all the "conservative" media do is fear monger.
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I'm a huge fan of the idea of anti-trust prosecution
against companies like Clear Channel.
At some point I'll crosspost my rant on this, but the cliffs notes version is:
All radio stations MUST be owned by a person within the broadcasting area. This applies to Television Stations, as well, since the airwaves they broadcast on are a "Public Good".
With that as a precedent, Hello Comcast and AT&T... Nice to see you there. Here's your Subpoena.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Take your number
and stand in line to enter the matrix.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
Don't get down yet!
Sanders still has a chance to win it. If he doesn't win, he has a chance to pull in almost 50% of the delegates in his favor, forcing Clinton to listen to him and us. Keep pushing, every vote counts, the more the merrier. And remember, they've been trying to get us down from the beginning saying "He can't win". This is more of the same. Demoralizing us is their strategy.
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Who's going to do it?
Where are they going to get their resources? Who's going to organize it? What are they going to teach? Yates is saying:
"There would be teach-ins and public meetings in towns large and small. No political event, no protest, no rally would be fail to have an educational component. Sanders’ talking points could be used to deepen understanding, by asking questions and pushing the discussions toward fundamental causes."
It's like anything else, somebody has to do it and to do it they're going to need organization and resources. The closest we have to anything like this is the election process itself. Candidates solicite money so they can go around the country or state "educating" people about their views and opinions, they have town hall meetings, commercial ads, send out flyers with information, etc. This election will reportedly be in the 6-8 billion dollar range. Imagine what we could do with a billion dollars toward an independent movement.
I remember when the billionaire Omidyar pledged 250 million toward his new media enterprise which includes The Intercept. The purpose was to educate and inform. I couldn't help wonder how that money could be better used to organize an independent movement instead of just another blog on the internet.
That's been a criticism from some regarding participating in this political system at all, that it wastes precious resources and time we could be spending on real constructive educational campaigns instead of simply electing more politicians to "represent" us, which everyone knows they don't. Perhaps it's just not practical to attach something like an anti-capitalist movement or any issues oriented movement to the political sideshow. Besides the fact is, Sanders is not a socialist, he is not anti-capitalist, so there would be inconsistencies and contradiction from the start.
How about if you did it?
Or me, or anyone else? I'm okay with teaching as long as I get to choose the Pomona College Farm as a classroom.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Who would show up to a teach in?
This is what I talk about with my neighbors and clients as I putter in the garden. They don't all agree, so it is a lively chat. If there was a teach in they would consider me arrogant and not show up. If someone else did a teach in I think they would only be
teachingpreaching to the converted.I think sites like this could work - they could come and try and convert us.
I missed that Greywolf diary - what a treat!
"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
Well, one way to find out --
would be to ask your neighbors and clients what they all wanted to know, and then to offer a course in that.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
There is an educational element already . . .
There is an educational component already. Have you been to a Bernie Sanders rally? He is teaching us. That's what the whole thing is. What I thought was so incredible was how the students listened. I was a teacher for 28 years and it is an amazing feat to get kids to listen to you. I witnessed a classroom of 7000 students listen so intently, that you could hear a pin drop.
I agree with you that there needs to be more of a movement. That's why we should embrace the Leap Manifesto. https://leapmanifesto.org/en/leap-year/ It is an outgrowth of Naomi Klein's book, This Changes Everything, and other progressive movements. The teaching materials and formats are already in place. The Leap Manifesto embraces all of the same progressive issues as Bernie Sanders. Climate change vs. capitalism is at the core.
I have been feeling low this week, like everyone else. It's time to snap out of it! I absolutely have no doubt that discouragement is a large part of the Clinton campaign efforts. It was already clear to me at the Iowa caucuses, when I read accounts of how Clinton supporters aggressively took charge of the meetings. And also, clearly, they were aided by the Iowa Democratic Party, who did not provide adequate workers to manage the process.
I think we all need to get some fire back. And I think we should be promoting the Leap Manifesto right next to Bernie Sanders. The Leap Manifesto originates in Canada, but it is for us and the whole world as well.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Signed up
I'm Canadian and I didn't know about this so thanks for enlightening me. I signed up.
How to awaken the hypnotized majority?
That is the basic question. I don't think that 70's style teach-ins would work now except for the leaning or converted among us. The movement does not ally with either of the major parties and the Greens could be a start, but are perceived as a small anti-group now. So what? Take over the Democratic Party and drag it back to what our questionable history tells us it used to stand for? That is where I am in this revolution.
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I finally signed up here, leaving DKos behind. Way too much anxiety reading OPOL's diary with those awful comments! DKMich and Cearus - you both are amazing writers and I am here to cheer you both on to continue your positive truthful voices!
I am in my late 40's and have, throughout my years, tried to learn and spread peace & justice. Teach ins are effective but difficult to get the general public involved. I see Bernie as a finally finding a path to leading a true social justice movement and I agree when he says it is not Me, but Us. We need to find progressive leaders, young and old, to continue driving down this path, no matter if Bernie is the nominee or not. His message transcends beyond this election. We must all gear up (learn/teach) and be in it for the very long haul.
One personal note: my daughter is 16 and of mixed race - she is terrified, actually scared about the possibility of TRUMP or HILLARY being in the White House. This is a very common conversation for us of late. We are fortunate because we live in Vermont, but, Jeezum Crow! We are US citizens too. My daughter should not fear for herself in this "land of the free!" My advice to her was to start speaking up, agitate respectively for peace & justice. Be consistent, like Bernie.
Best to you all!
It is what it is - Move On!
Could you drag greywolfe and the diary on Saruman here with you?
We need it here.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
VTJen
Hello, "neighbor to the North" from here in Western MA
Please tell your lovely daughter she is not alone.
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Think the depth of the sense of loss, sadness is the general thinking, of if Bernie and Jane Sanders, they really are a team, with the people who have come out to hear them, fund them, volunteer and support them haven't been able to get through to the Democratic party where the people want it to be, who or what could create this social & economic change. This systemic change to Democratic Socialism we are calling for.
No answer. Just about everything else has been tried for decades, decades.
AND, Bernie and Jane Sanders keep on KEEPING ON. Feel more than guilty at my own sadness when I see them so energetically moving forward.
As Raggedy Ann so wisely tells us, we have to acknowledge where we are, what has happened, and move forward through and PAST it. Many more primaries to come. Irony, Tad Devine was one of the "primary architects of the super delegate system" and he's Bernie's campaign manager, so who better to create a "work-around." I'm still open to Miracles, (legal or otherwise!) if it leads toward President Sanders.
VTJen: happy snow this weekend - our first of the year!
Feeling down after an
Feeling down after an artificial high is normal. Your comment about the educational component is true, but it is also a chicken and the egg arguement. You have to build up a large following first, then start the educational process to sustain the movement. There will be Clinton minions infiltrating all the media outlets including this one. Our biggest obstacle is setting false expectations and then saying it is too hard. If you want change you have to work for years, we are on the precipice of a change from conservative austerity in the US. There will be pain and disappointment but we must continue the fight. The Clinton's are betting this is a flash in the pan, they win the nomination and the White House for eight years. They will be able to extend their stamp for the next 30 years because they will be followed by a Republican administration. If we continue the fight and they lose the nomination or White House, there will be a change in culture in the Democratic Party. The worst case scenario is we keep fighting and winning states, but come up short on delegates to get the nomination. In order for them to secure the support of the movement Sanders gets to pick DNC chair and name Vice Chairs. We start working on candidates for state offices as well as Congress.
The movement continues and we change the direction of the country. We are making progress, the next month will be much better. Keep up the fight.
Loved reading these words!
In order for them to secure the support of the movement Sanders gets to pick DNC chair and name Vice Chairs. We start working on candidates for state offices as well as Congress.
Wow. Never would have thought of that. Love the idea. Bet the Sanders campaign has thought of it too. Sanders is a darn good politician, and expect he's going to get the best deal possible. It would be a positive, but still can't let go of Bernie winning!!!
Nothing will get me to vote for the Clintons and if she is the nominee, know we will get Republican POTUS
That's a fact. We cannot give
That's a fact. We cannot give up now and we need to stop listening to people who tell us we should just pack it in and that we can't make a difference. We CAN.
We're going to have to organize
I surely don't think I'm an authority on the subject, but I think for starters, the movement will have to adopt a leader(s) and agree on a structure. Not having a leadership and goal driven structure that takes advantage of resources was a factor in OWS fizzling out. I think if the establishment prevails that we could convince bernie to perhaps provide a transition of his support to a cause; now whether that is a schism of the dem. party or the actual organizing of the ind. party, I have no idea, but I think people are waking up to the fact people need to unite under our own umbrella and not a corporate backed one .With the small donations structure that could shift to taking back america and the volunteer networks that already exist doing the same, perhaps we can unite through the internet. That is our biggest advantage right now I think, the internet. We can all communicate through our phones instantly, it's incredible and I feel it could be harnessed and used as a way for the average person to do a small part to accomplish something big in their interest in the realm of social media civic education. The volunteer efforts of the 'IT enabled' has been very impressive and I think organizing out to a local level could achieve real grassroots opportunity to educate and inspire. I know there's a lot of gaps there and funding might be a problem, but with the right leadership standing up for and doing the right thing after Bernie passes the torch to them might mean we could do something real this time. We're just gonna have to get out and do it, no excuses, oh shit, even me.
In FL, for example, I saw an organizing structure arise way before anyone from the campaign was in FL. They were contacting the campaign, making social media groups, meeting and discussing what and how, donating to their local groups and so on. Then, the groups across the state starting having a weekly group calls to discuss how to further organize. I saw a lot of people who had done a lot of organizing in the seventies and had been for a long time or had quit, but for Sanders, they saw one last stand. I saw a lot of young people anxious to see a way to have an impact in a government that more and more is not representing them and their future. I'm sure this can be torn apart, but we gotta start somewhere.
Organizing M4B
I agree with your comment. Bernie Sanders got on the Illinois primary ballot strictly through grassroots organizing efforts. There was one person from the campaign who provided some guidance with the ballot process. That was it. Every other event was scheduled through volunteers through Sanders Events and Slack. Many of us though, were very disappointed at the lack of preparedness of his formal campaign when it arrived in Illinois.
A group of us in Chicago are having an organizational meeting this Sunday to brainstorm and vision for the Political Revolution after November. There were some real wins in Chicago on March 15. Kim Foxx beat Anita Alvarez for the Democratic Party nominee for Cook County States Attorney.
I definitely think the local grassroots strategy with leadership/cadres clearly identified is the way to go.
Are we "anticapitalists"?
First of all, are we "anticapitalists"? I'm not. Bernie Sanders says his mission is to save capitalism - for the many, not the few.
Second, "education" (what used to be called "consciousness-raising") is a time-consuming effort that is hard to do in the midst of a primary campaign season that's already half over, with less than three months to go.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Not anti-capitalist
That is a criticism I have seen of the Leap Manifesto . . . that it is anti-capitalist. I am definitely against "unfettered capitalism" . . . which is what we have now.
Capitalism will have to be reined in to turn the tide on climate change. It is the cause. We have polluted for profits.
Ultimately, things will have to be scaled down and localized. Either we do it up front, or it will be forced upon us later.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Saving Capitalism from itself
is really what Bernie's message is. He's never advocated nationalizing resources and not even the banks, just regulating them. And if we didn't have the revolving door, the payoffs and bribes, we could have regulated Capitalism. Naomi Klein's point about Extractive Capitalism is spot on though, and that is a huge paradigm shift for the entire globe. But it must be done if we are to save some semblance of life on this planet. Things like that are a tough thing to try to teach someone without their eyes glazing over - I've tried my own with relatives and friends and I know I am unbearable to listen to sometimes. Bernie has started that conversation though, and to go into details is hard to do during any campaign. The fact that so many are getting it and asking more, well it gives me some hope. Been very depressed this week and angry at the T Rump phenom and my own relatives who I know support that ugly mess. And yes, we could most likely end up with the Clintons back in the WH. And I still think, and I know it sounds loony, that Bill just may have persuaded the "vulgar yam" to run - what better way to try to ensure a victory for such a weak candidate? Maybe I'm just so angry at the sellout that I think Bill is that devious, but can't seem to get that thought out of my head.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Consciousness-raising --
there's no time like the present to start.
As for capitalism, can it be saved? I was thinking that Sanders' main merit was that he at least showed some compassion for the working class in this hour of crisis.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Democratic Socialism
Another not anti anything, just not the capitalism we have now. Which, really isn't capitalism as much as cronyism, corruption, oligarchy.
"Consciousness raising" - haven't thought of those words in many a year! Such a big part of the "what do we do" issue for me. In my 50 odd years of "doing" without exception, the best people, most wonderful non-profits, organizations, protests, attempts at movement, also get bogged down with the EGOS of the different factions.
Everything: Feminism in the 1970's: Steinum, Friedan, et al going at it the proverbial hammer & tongs!
Choice: NARAL, PP, NOW, you name it, they fought with each other, against each other. Everyone knew better than anyone else.
OWS - trying so hard to stay "leaderless" limits success.
Howard Dean, DFA, and look where Dean is now: lobbying for insurance companies, supporting the Clintons.
Everywhere I look, the "winners" like damn ALEC, have organization and more money than is even imaginable. Have been working for years, one organization, unlimited funds, doing more damage state-by-state than anything we can do to undue.
Sorry can't think of anything more positive - maybe after this general election plays itself out. Phoenix???
Well, I'm anti-"capitalism above all else"
I think most of us are against unregulated capitalism, at the very least. I don't think it matters so much what the nametag is - some people are more disillusioned with capitalism than others, but I think we can probably agree that capitalism as a political ideology by itself doesn't work, as it's amoral and is simply an economic system, not really a political one. It shouldn't be treated as some infallible entity that can do no wrong.
Well,what's your stance on capitalism
is going to be one of the first questions asked by everyone you approach just like it was for Bernie. It is the first question here. Be nice to agree on what is meant....bad form to define oneself in the negative.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
That's why I'm a postcapitalist
Since I often front-page diaries here, you'll see more from me on this perspective in the future.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
The Coffee Party
For something to defy the current system, and grow and succeed, there has to be a specific catalyst. The Tea Party had its in a black president trying to overhaul a major, universal, and personal system n our lives. So they fed off racism and big gummint. What is ours? For specific targets, Hillary is too moderate. Donald is too slippery. Ted is too fringy. For specific issues, we have a friggin laundry list from education, energy, and the environment to trade, war, wages, and civil rights.
Education? I think we're looking at at least a two-year degree rather than a lunch n learn. It will take another charismatic person to be capable of carrying this to the finish line. Bernie had no name recognition until last summer. Somebody needs to start the campaign now to bring things home in 2020.
The problem with Clinton is not that she is "too moderate"
but rather that she is really another mainstream Republican. Seriously -- between her, Trump, Cruz and Kasich it's a toss-up. She poses as a liberal, and she uses empty pandering, secrecy, and her foundation and speaking-fees deals to cement the pose in place. This is the big distraction keeping the Goldwater Girl from full view -- but she's there, all right.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Regardless
Whatever she is, she is just an obstacle. My point was that we need clarity: a clear enemy, a clear savior, a clear set of simple points (think Newt's contract, a repulsive gimmick that was successful). Hey, I hate unbridled capitalism, but if that's numerous uno on our list it ain't gonna fly as an issue. Not yet. All we csn do is poke at it rather tham go for the kill shot. Bernie has had a great approach to bundling some of our viewpoints, but the message often breaks down into policy discussions rather than crystal clear ideals. Speaking these ideals in the absolutely positive way in which we envision them will take time. We have that time coming, since crapola is going down with either of the likely options darkening the White House for the next four years. It can't be Bernie after this, but the door is open for someone younger.
Elizabeth Warren 2020
Certainly a good possibility,
Certainly a good possibility, but she's going to have to figure out if she wants to do this fast, and begin the transition from respected progressive wonk to the leader of the progressive movement. Think of how many years Trump spent as a guest on Fox News and RW radio shows to get that audience primed for his run. I think if Bernie had started his rallies six months sooner, we'd be looking at a much different delegate count.
Equity not debt
I think we should promote the suggestion of Catherine Austin Fitts, that we stimulate the economy with equity not debt.
She gives the example of talking to 3 women in small town Tennessee. Two women had money in the bank and at the time the bank was paying 4 or 5% interest (this must have been a few years ago, eh?). The third woman had started a small business using her credit card and was paying 23% interest. The bank the 2 women had put their money into fell under the umbrella of a big Wall Street bank, as did the credit card. So the Wall Street bank was making 23% on the credit card loan and paying at most 5% to the capital provided by the other 2 women. Nice spread if you can get it.
Fitts suggested that if you could set up a local mechanism with a local bank, the 2 women could offer their capital for investment locally and make maybe 8%, the bank that was handling the transactions might make 4% and the woman who needed the equity for her business would pay 12%, far less than the credit card was costing her.
The added benefit of doing everything locally is this: if you know that a business has borrowed your money, you have a vested interest in making them a success so you shop at small local businesses. Businesses like WalMart send all the profits out of the community to head office; there's no investment in the local community.
This leads to financial prosperity as well as better communities.
Teach-ins?
When have teach-ins ever led to a viable political movement? It’s just a way to mark time with busy-work while waiting for the next election. Revolutions don’t start with teach-ins. They start because the personal experiences of a large number of citizens convinces them individually that the system must be changed. If you have to teach people that they want to be free and that corruption is bad, then they are not ready yet and won’t be until things get worse. If they are not ready, then they won’t get it. How many Democrats does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but the light bulb has to want to change. You can’t make someone get ready. THAT is what all the blank stares are about.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
I see.
So teach-ins can't help people with the consciousness that things must change learn how to change them?
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Glad to see this, it needs to
Glad to see this, it needs to be discussed and sorry I dont have time today and kinda short on ideas anyway. I should be around more next week after Spring Break is over.
But look to this and also Occupy. OWS tried 'outside agitation', Feel the Bern is inside. Both are being written off as FAIL's but in truth neither one failed. Ripples and waves and it will continue to build and be more and more inclusive as more people wake up and see through all the bullshit. Im tellin ya, these past few days (between Trump and Hillary and MSM TV) I can hardly believe theres a human alive who doesnt realize it's all Theater.
Good questions Cassiodorus
I think any populist movement in the US is doomed if it ties itself to the partisan political machine that is firmly in place. After 16 years or more of trying to use the Democratic party as a vehicle for stopping or even mitigating this global insanity, it's obvious that the rigged and owned system is damn near impenetrability. Even on a local level the Democratic Inc. has a firm grip on power. I agree on the scenario presented in the diary. I agree on the necessity to keep the movement that Sanders engendered going after they take the election circus tents down.
As for educating people that's a hard one. A variation on an old hippie maxim, think local act global, runs through my mind. The thing is how do you get the people who understand what's going down to come together and learn or educate without the political structure that is in place and monolithic? People kept saying that OWS should have tied itself to the useless Democratic party. I don't, that neuters and co-opts any insurgency or movement or if it threatens their interest's turns the goon squads loose on it .
It seems to me that the main lesson learned from electing Democrat's on all levels in 2006-Obummer pretty much showed people that it's futile to resist the inevitable world as we find it. I was surprised that people were willing to once again get out and support 'Us not me'. Despite the nasty bait and switch of the Obama campaign/ administration a lot of people were willing to once again take on the oligarchy. What does a political revolution look like? How can one revolt politically using a duopoly that is owned and controlled by the global Visigoths.
When started this strange journey into politics I went to a lot of meet ups organized by DFA. They took place in local bars, public buildings like the Friends church restaurants etc. Not in peoples houses however. They were not about electing Dean nationally they dealt with local issues. The main thing the people attending seemed to want addressed was education. My group was full of teachers that wanted No Child's Ass Left Behind' and teaching for test's gone. Our city at that time had head hunted a corporate school board director from Chicago. They were busy shutting down schools and harassing teachers. We would break into groups and basically caucus and at the end each group of 6 to 8 people would have the designated speaker get up and talk about the problems solutions each came up with.
That was in 2003 when people in my city we're still engaged civilly. They really were all fired up. These days no one in my community really talks about politics, Bernie's campaign being the exception. No yard signs anymore no chatting about politics the silence is deafening. As it's 80% Democratic, the rest are indies or green's' in this 'middle class' district I think it's a question of once bitten twice shy. My neighbors are united in fear and loathing of the Republicans. They are also pretty comfortable financially as this city has been gentrified and 'developed'. They are also busy trying to stay affluent and not go under. These are just my thoughts about educating people about a political revolution.
Who knows what going to happen after Hillary or Trump or some other RW asshole the owners pick is elected. The movement and messages that Bernie represented will continue as there seems to be no limits on these disaster cappies that 'rule the world'.. They will get worse as they always do unless unchecked. I am heartened by the democratic sparks that keep igniting globally. They may get stamped out but they keep coming back and I do believe they will grow. For now I'm going to work locally on community projects and showing up at city meetings as we have a nest of vipers who ran and won disguised as 'progressives' demolishing and privatizing our city. I will not vote for Hillary I was going to write in Bernie if she was selected. I like many will play it like it lays.
One last thing 'Don't follow leaders and watch the parking meters'. The movement for our common good and restoration of democracy does not depend on a leader, a pol, a persona. I feel strongly that this constant searching for a front man or woman is another big waste of time and energy. 'Leaders' on a smaller decentralized level will emerge.
sorry to comment by way of a drive-by
cassiodorus. i wish i had time to expound a bit. but you might want to look at ‘Self-organizing Democratic Alternative Institutions in Greece: Solidarity for All’, café baylon (lots of good commentary, imo) and Roar Magazine’s (anticapitalist essays) ‘Building Power’ page: “We lived amidst the ruins. Until we picked up the stones, and we began to build.”
Solidarity for All is of course replete with non-pontificating learning experience, not academic 'teach-in' so much. (smile) 'Provide life sustenance in aid of furtherng the ability to resist', for instance.
Build toward an actual anti-capitalist revolution, iow. yes, the notion makes a lot of good folk quite nervous, especially 'capitalist reformers'.
best to you,
wd
Thanks for popping in WendyDavis!
Hope you are doing well.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
welcome, cassiodorus.
some of the Roar magazine 'building power' essays were a bit beyond me, but i reckon you'll understand them more easily.
best, wd
I propose a Dem Socialist University system
These would be preferably private institutions that are accredited with a very specific mandate. You could study all the liberal arts, journalism, medicine and even business. It would be a place (places) for learning but also an epicenter for political and social activism. This could be done with a fairly small amount of money, allow people of all backgrounds to participate as teacher or student.
I am extremely disappointed that Bernie will likely not win. But we can't let this ground swell die off the way Occupy and other progressive groups have. Bernie himself has said his election is not about him, so we all need to figure out how we will move forward. I live in Vermont and while we have a number of great schools with liberal agendas, none are specifically focused on political activism and social change as their primary purpose (that I am aware)
Uniting under the progressive platform
Perhaps the best way to move forward is to unite under a platform that is already available. The Progressives took the best of the old Republican party and focused more on the common man, an idea which was adopted in part by the Democratic party (not the New Democrats). The progressive label has been co-opted, but movements have started within the last 10 years or so to reclaim it. Imagine how strong it could be if all the Berniacs joined in! And since existing infrastructure is in place from here, to Progressive Dems of A to New Progs, the Green Party, etc., so we wouldn't have to start from scratch, just get involved.
I'm probably preaching to the choir, but here's the new progressive platform:
1. Peace first
2. Full employment at a living wage
3. Saving the environment
4. A real social safety net
5. Medicare for all
6. Fair trade
7. Human rights/civil liberties
8. Election reform
9. Corporate accountability/reform
10. Infrastructure investment/ownership
PS. I'm not anti-capitalist, either. We need reforms and a safety net, as others have echoed here: save capitalism from itself. Teach-ins have the modern day equivalent of social media: we can take over Twitter, FB, blogs, and alt media.
"Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change." Stephen Hawking
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