Capitalism in outer space y'know. Fer sher!

Our current Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur Ross, wrote an editorial for the NY Times: "That Moon Colony Will Be a Reality Sooner Than You Think," available here if you can't get at the NYT site. The Ross editorial is dated 5/24/2018, so this is recent stuff.

I'm always amused by the idea of capitalism in space. My guess is that in this era it's a sequel to the Muppets' bit titled "Pigs in Space," since the current US President does have more than a passing resemblance to Link Hogthrob. At any rate, since no diary at C99% is perfect without a video, here goes:

To get back to the topic, our esteemed Secretary of Commerce presents the whole capitalists-in-space sales pitch in his NYT editorial:

The future for American commercial space activity is bright. Space entrepreneurs are already planning travel to Mars, and they are looking to the moon as the perfect location for a way station to refuel and restock Mars-bound rockets. As much as this sounds like the plot of “2001: A Space Odyssey,” it is coming closer to reality sooner than you may have ever thought possible.

A privately funded American space industry is the reason.

Yep! Capitalism on Mars! There you have it, folks! Of course, this is a dream of Elon Musk and of Jeff Bezos, and so it's no wonder our privately-owned White House has picked up on this stuff.

There are of course a few problems with the capitalists-in-space dream. Here are my predictions for how it will all turn out:

1) the long journey to Mars will probably screw up the astronauts both mentally and physically past the point of no return.

2) people aren't meant to live in Mars' three-eights Earth gravity and will need elaborate prosthetics to survive for any significant period of time (and the current operating assumption is that Mars colonists aren't coming back to Earth).

3) the perchlorates in Martian soil will make Martian agriculture impossible and will poison any interaction with it (the Martian soil, that is). The perchlorates will not go away if we melt the Martian icecaps, and they will be a lot harder to remove than perchlorates on Earth. As for terraforming Mars, the atmosphere will not thicken sufficiently to be breathable even if said icecaps could be melted and gases below the surface could be released and if it could all somehow be converted to oxygen.

4) everyone in these projects will eventually die of radiation poisoning.

There are, in short, a number of ways in which it could all go south really quickly, and since our nice bubbleheaded capitalists don't seem to have much of an eye for how they're managing Earth and have to be corrected now and then by local socialists, and since they, and not local socialists with an eye toward the intrinsic value of human life, appear to be in charge of the whole project, it won't be surprising if the disasters I've predicted actually come to pass.

Here's a fun snippet from Michio Kaku's gee-whiz "#1 best seller" book The Future of Humanity that ought to amuse:

Scientists at the University of California, Irvine exposed mice to large doses of radiation equivalent to the amount that would be absorbed during a two-year ride through deep space. They found evidence of irreversible brain damage. The mice showed behavioral problems and became agitated and dysfunctional. At the very least, these results confirm that astronauts must be adequately shielded in deep space. (69-70)

And good luck shielding them from solar radiation when they get to Mars, which has an atmosphere about 0.61% as thick as Earth's atmosphere.

The whole of a genre of literature known as "space opera," through Star Trek and Star Wars and going far beyond them, is based on the proposition that space will be just like Earth, and so the writers can take Earth dramas and move them creatively into outer-space settings. This is of course wrong. The first thing they're going to try to put into space is the capitalist system, prized possession of the global neoliberal leadership. And the problem with capitalism in space of course is that whereas outer space is dangerous and expensive, capitalism pushes the dangers onto nature and onto the working class while trying to make everything as cheaply as possible. This phenomenon is what environmental historian Jason W. Moore calls "cheap nature," nature as seen from the eyes of capitalists. The capitalist "cheap nature" mentality is perhaps part of why so many previous missions to Mars have gotten lost. Let's explore space cheaply, so that the likes of Bezos and Musk can make a profit! Or maybe not.

Of course there will still be rich folks willing to pay a lot for short joyrides into orbit. But what appears to be going on with this stuff is more like this: the super-rich people who dream of this stuff have been informed, whether they believe it or not, that capitalism has really screwed up the planet, and so they are looking for other planets for people to live on. What else could they do with their American frontier mentality? The only one in the Solar System with a remote possibility of being viable, however, is Mars, and even then the current sales pitch vastly underestimates what needs to be done for Mars colonization to be possible.

We have to imagine, in conclusion, that the Trump-era space-capitalist imaginary counts as a hindrance to actual space exploration, and not as an opportunity.

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and we cannot fund it properly by a few guys telling us they can totally do it... provided we pony up first.

As long as the MIC eats all of our best and brightest, peaceful advances necessary for space travel will not be even looked into. (Space travel has been incredibly innovative for products on earth. Of course, they're "Evolutionary" and not "Revolutionary" advances, and as a result, people don't notice them.)

I support space travel, but NOT in the "Toss people on rafts and hope they can cross the ocean with zero experience". While it would be a great way to get the hard earned experience, how bout we try paddling around our neighborhood first. Almost all the same challenges exist on the moon, and that has the bonus of being made of mostly the same stuff as the earth.

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to fix the societal and ecological problems we have on earth so let's go screw something else up.
I'd prefer the human race to perish here before it befouls someplace else up.

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@Pricknick if anyone trusted the Trump administration's attempts to funnel money into outer space while said same Trump administration was busy downsizing the EPA. If the government won't protect you from environmental hazards here on Earth, what's it going to do for you in the much more dangerous regions of outer space?

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to have any life capable of suffering to screw up and kill off on it... just the human Poors they want to bring in first to set things up - and see what happens to some Disposables in an area completely outside the law and away from any oversight.

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@Ellen North Mars is significantly inhospitable to human life, probably inhospitable to life in general, and definitely inhospitable to capitalism.

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to pack the worst of the capitalists off there by themselves. Without taking any vulnerable Poors with them.

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Lol, therefore eminently suitable for Earth life to pack the worst of the capitalists off there by themselves. Without taking any vulnerable Poors with them.

What did Mars ever do to you? Wink

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but I turns out that we are the invaders. Projection much?

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We have concocted so many stories of Martian invaders, but it turns out that we are the invaders. Projection much?

“ No one would have believed, in the first years of the 21st century, that Martian affairs were being watched from the timeless worlds of space. No one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinized as someone with a microscope studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. Few men even considered the possibility of life on other planets. And yet, across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours regarded our Mars with envious eyes, and slowly, and surely, they drew their plans against us…”

-- parody of H.G. Wells

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but at least there's no pre-existing life there to be 'done to' by TPTB, et al.

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The 100: A Netflix Original

A century after Earth was devastated by a nuclear apocalypse, 100 space station residents are sent to the planet to determine whether it's habitable.

https://www.netflix.com/title/70283264

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Scientists at the University of California, Irvine exposed mice to large doses of radiation equivalent to the amount that would be absorbed during a two-year ride through deep space. They found evidence of irreversible brain damage. The mice showed behavioral problems and became agitated and dysfunctional.

And they started spouting right-wing talking points like the export of capitalism into space.....

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@thanatokephaloides It's got some fun stuff in it! And the comments section too!

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@Cassiodorus

...into the complex interdependent environments that we live in is almost comically flawed. They fail in the exact way every time and are utterly confused by it. "Who could have foreseen....?" they ask. We can. Their systems always end in — and are reborn out of — predator-caused extinction. Their mind-map of reality relies on key environmental constants that run counter to the laws of nature (ie., constant growth and net expansion).

Capitalism seems to owe its greatest successes to cronyism, political collusion, top-down rigging of established systems, and the opportunistic privatization of natural resources and public investment projects. They dismiss long-term planning and the accountability that comes with it and insist that planning and commitment to past values interfere with their responsiveness in today's so-called free market. In keeping with this, the political arm of capitalism has declared that nations who make long-term economic plans (or who nationalize their natural resources or public utilities) are in fact totalitarian dictatorships that try to block capitalists from "creating jobs" and rewarding shareholders. For our entire lives, we've seen these accused nations become economically crippled by deadly US sanctions. The entire world watched as these designated nations were invaded, destroyed, and depopulated, and their assets were again privatized and given to favored Western corporations for exploit. Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, and many others know that this may be their future.

The philosophical capitalist believes that when industries or financial systems are regulated by the state, it takes too long to deconstruct them and extract their wealth and assets. It never occurs to them that we may not share their ultimate goals, perhaps because we do not share in the spoils. They push a preposterous ideology that claims that an industry or business sector without state-imposed regulations will beget even better "self-regulation" by going through the "natural" economic cycles of disaster and correction. The staggering suffering and inhumanity inherent in this process are completely over-looked because capitalist-thinking seems to be governed by short-term situational ethics. Their analysis has been unencumbered by concepts of economic morality or by an evolution of social conscientiousness taking place among the People.

Capitalism exhibits no purpose greater than itself, for its own sake. The most galling calculation on the balance sheet of the capitalist endeavor is a void in the cost paid by the civilization they occupy and cannibalize. There is another void in the amount owed to the millions of shoulders they stand on in an established civilization as they reach for the stars. There's no giving back or paying it forward with them. The money that remains at the end of a year — after a commercial entity has deducted all costs of doing business and every possible expense, including the lavish sums they pay to themselves — is the surplus profit they generated in a year's time. The nation that provides these commercial entities with their marketplace and their global protections and courts of law, will in turn tax these surplus profits at now historically low rates, which capitalists see as an assault to be resisted. By my reckoning, they are a drag on the advancement of civilization and the human experience.

The devil is in their books and the immoral bookkeeping that records the one-sided extraction and depletion and emptying of a nation's resources and the strains on the infrastructure. They do not give back sufficiently to fill the potholes they made, nor do they add sustainability for future generations of that civilization. They destroy what they touch with their gluttony for hoarding all the profits they can grab today. They leave behind their empty wells and strip mines and polluted waters while their financial cohorts trigger sudden economic destabilizations along the way. They are unprepared for these sudden economic shifts that result in financial downturns for the public because they cannot see them coming. The capitalists are blinded by the bright phosphoresce of their own frenzied greed.

It is no wonder that capitalism is completely incompatible with democracy.

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@Pluto's Republic Give a Man a Fish, and you cut into your profits.

Teach a Man to fish, and you cut into your profits even more.

Unless of course...
You can put him into debt for fishing lessons,
then charge him rent on the fishing pole,
Licensing costs,
Dock fees,
A fee for the spot where he pitches his tent...

Yeah, it's pretty much this guy...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWzBtuGsXGc]

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Is there a doctor in the house?

where have you gone, Ben Casey?

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must go first, to build infrastructure and life support for humans, It's going to be until the end of this century, at least, before Musk et al think about making a space buck on anything besides tourism. We're a long damn ways from Star Trek. Hell, we haven't even made it (back) to the moon yet. And if there's no WiFi on Mars what's the point?

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@Wink what precisely is it that Mars has to offer, again?

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Billionaires seeking eternal existence in some form or another wish to pour money into this - for private ownership of space.

But at the rate these loons are messing up the planetary life-support system, they need to think that there will be somewhere for Those Who Matter to go, in the rapidly approaching disappearance of our future.

I can't access this following article, (URL provided below for any who can) and trying to copy the title makes it vanish, but the initially visible blurb mentions that as early as 1965, wackos with White House access were trying to say that global warming could be addressed by their covering the ocean in reflective metal particles (at public cost) - which wouldn't work.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/geoengineering-how-to-cool-ea...

And, while rarely admitted by only some officials, here and there, and often denied, it has been ongoing for a very long time.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/24/us-scientists-launch...

US scientists launch world's biggest solar geoengineering study

Research programme will send aerosol injections into the earth’s upper atmosphere to study the risks and benefits of a future solar tech-fix for climate change

US scientists are set to send aerosol injections 20km up into the earth’s stratosphere in the world’s biggest solar geoengineering programme to date, to study the potential of a future tech-fix for global warming.

The $20m (£16m) Harvard University project will launch within weeks and aims to establish whether the technology can safely simulate the atmospheric cooling effects of a volcanic eruption, if a last ditch bid to halt climate change is one day needed.

Scientists hope to complete two small-scale dispersals of first water and then calcium carbonate particles by 2022. Future tests could involve seeding the sky with aluminium oxide – or even diamonds.

“This is not the first or the only university study,” said Gernot Wagner, the project’s co-founder, “but it is most certainly the largest, and the most comprehensive.”

Janos Pasztor, Ban Ki-moon’s assistant climate chief at the UN who now leads a geoengineering governance initiative, said that the Harvard scientists would only disperse minimal amounts of compounds in their tests, under strict university controls.

“The real issue here is something much more challenging,” he said “What does moving experimentation from the lab into the atmosphere mean for the overall path towards eventual deployment?” ...

...But the Harvard team, in a promotional video for the project, suggest a redirection of one percent of current climate mitigation funds to geoengineering research, and argue that the planet could be covered with a solar shield for as little as $10bn a year.
Geoengineering is fast and cheap, but not the key to stopping climate change
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Some senior UN climate scientists view such developments with alarm, fearing a cash drain from proven mitigation technologies such as wind and solar energy, to ones carrying the potential for unintended disasters.

Kevin Trenberth, a lead author for the UN’s intergovernmental panel on climate change, said that despair at sluggish climate action, and the rise of Donald Trump were feeding the current tech trend.

“But solar geoengineering is not the answer,” he said. “Cutting incoming solar radiation affects the weather and hydrological cycle. It promotes drought. It destabilizes things and could cause wars. The side effects are many and our models are just not good enough to predict the outcomes”

Natural alterations to the earth’s radiation balance can be short-lasting, but terrifying. A 1991 Mount Pinatubo eruption lowered global temperatures by 0.5C, while the Mount Tambora eruption in 1815 triggered Europe’s ‘year without a summer’, bringing crop failure, famine and disease.

A Met Office study in 2013 said that the dispersal of fine particles in the stratosphere could precipitate a calamitous drought across North Africa.

Frank Keutsch, the Harvard atmospheric sciences professor leading the experiment, said that the deployment of a solar geoengineering system was “a terrifying prospect” that he hoped would never have to be considered. “At the same time, we should never choose ignorance over knowledge in a situation like this,” he said.

“If you put heat into the stratosphere, it may change how much water gets transported from the troposphere to the stratosphere, and the question is how much are you [creating] a domino effect with all kinds of consequences? What we can do to quantify this is to start with lab studies and try to understand the relevant properties of these aerosols.”

Stratospheric controlled perturbation experiments (SCoPEX) are seen as “critical” to this process and the first is planned to spray water molecules into the stratosphere to create a 1km long and 100m wide icy plume, which can be studied by a manoeuvrable flight balloon.

If lab tests are positive, the experiment would then be replicated with a limestone compound which the researchers believe will neither absorb solar or terrestrial radiation, nor deplete the ozone layer.

Bill Gates and other foundations are substantially funding the project, and aerospace companies are thought to be taking a business interest in the technology’s potential.

The programmme’s launch will follow a major conference involving more than 100 scientists, which begins in Washington DC today. ...

Right, and (apart from destroying the ozone layer and affecting/ultimately destroying the possibility of plant and animal health by reducing sunlight while making sunlight required for life into a hazard) the increase in weather disruptions by doing things (there are others involved, as well,) known to cause weather disruptions has nothing to do with these weather disruptions. TPTB certainly aren't going to inform us of which of the factors being introduced may be responsible as contributing/causal factors or even of the true rate of resultant health and other damage, although we are still free to guess - at least for now.

Recent examples:

https://www.rt.com/usa/427978-maryland-flash-flood-emergency/

Roads submerged as severe flash flooding hits Maryland (VIDEOS)
Published time: 27 May, 2018 21:57
Edited time: 28 May, 2018 09:50

Residents in the cities of Ellicott and Baltimore scrambled for safety as heavy rainfall brought flash flooding to the area. Videos posted on social media show raging torrents of water deluging neighborhoods.

A flash flood emergency was declared in Ellicott City on Sunday. Videos posted by locals show the city’s Main Street awash with muddy water. (WARNING: EXPLICIT LANGUAGE)

“This is an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC situation and you must move to HIGHER GROUND IMMEDIATELY AND STAY AWAY FROM ANYWHERE WHERE WATER IS MOVING,” National Weather Service Baltimore said in a Twitter statement.

READ MORE: Most dramatic images of Maryland’s catastrophic flash flood (VIDEOS)

Ellicott City, which is situated just 55 meters (180ft) above sea level, is experiencing flooding on the same scale as it saw in 2016, the Howard County government said. The 2016 Maryland flood caused severe damage to the historic center of the city, affecting many homes, businesses and famous sights. Two people perished at the time.

As of Sunday evening, the flash flood emergency has been extended to include areas along the Patapsco River in Anne Arundel County, as well as the entirety of Howard and Baltimore Counties. ...

...Howard County Fire and Rescue urged residents to assist them by evacuating, warning that more rain is expected to hit the city.

“If you are in downtown Ellicott City now watching the rescues, please help us by evacuating. More rain is expected, and conditions are rapidly changing,” it wrote on Twitter.

The Community Action Council of Howard County has announced it will be accepting donations to assist those affected by the flood, calling on the locals to bring water, hygiene products and flashlights. ...

https://www.rt.com/uk/427957-lightning-strike-uk-photos/

‘Mother of all thunderstorms’: UK hit by up to 20,000 lightning strikes (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
Published time: 27 May, 2018 12:10
Edited time: 28 May, 2018 10:01

The UK has been hit by up to 20,000 lightning strikes in a massive electrical storm that swept the country on Saturday night. Incredible photos and footage show stunning purple skies illuminated by intense bursts of light.

The violent thunderstorm blasted parts of southern Britain following a humid day of 27 degrees celsius temperatures. Met Office meteorologist Charlie Powell said there were somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 strikes overnight. ...

...Torrential rain accompanied the thunderstorm, creating chaos for motorists. London Fire Brigade said it received more than 500 weather-related calls, most of them due to flooding.

There have also been reports of properties being struck by lightning. Firefighters attended a blaze at a house in Stanway, Essex after a lightning bolt caused its roof to go on fire. Nearly 1,000 properties were left without power across the midlands as a result of outages caused by the storm.

Meanwhile, flights from Stansted Airport have been disrupted after the fuelling system was damaged by a lightning strike. The system has now been restored but the airport says flights may still be subject to delays or cancellation. ...

...Thunderstorms will continue to affect parts of Wales, southern and central England through Sunday and into Monday morning, according to the Met Office. Residents are being warned that homes and businesses could be damaged by flooding and lightning strikes.

https://www.rt.com/usa/424225-snow-midwest-3-dead/

3 killed as ‘historic’ snowstorm blasts Midwest US (VIDEOS, PHOTOS)
Published time: 15 Apr, 2018 22:16
Edited time: 16 Apr, 2018 07:53

At least three people have been killed, including a sleeping two-year-old girl, as a violent spring storm has battered the Midwest with powerful winds and heavy snow.

The storm front swept across the Midwest this weekend, leaving large swathes of the region blanketed in snow. The city of St. Paul in Minnesota was forced to declare a snow emergency, while nearby Minneapolis is predicted to receive more than 50 centimeters of snow by the time the storm passes through the region.

Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport, which serves the two cities, was forced to cancel nearly 500 flights. Airport officials said the snow was falling too fast for plows to keep runways clear. Hundreds of crashes were reported across the state. Some 300 thousand houses were without electricity. ...

...The stormy weather is forecast to persist through Sunday in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan, before moving east into New York state and New England.

https://www.rt.com/usa/420801-us-storm-northeast-weather/

Snow storm pounds US northeast for second time in 1 week
Published time: 8 Mar, 2018 15:59
Edited time: 9 Mar, 2018 10:44

Schools are shut and thousands are without power as the northeast of the United States suffers through its second winter storm in a week. States of emergency have been declared in Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

Up to 60cm (2ft) of snow has accumulated in inland parts of the two states along with neighboring New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts. Schools throughout New England, including Boston Public Schools, were shut in advance of the latest blizzard as the National Weather Service forecast white-out conditions. ...

...The powerful storm has dumped heavy wet snow, downed power lines and led to hundreds of thousands of electricity outages. Downed power lines have also sparked fires in several areas. ...

...There have been more than 700,000 thousand outages in Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut and New Jersey, according to Poweroutage.us. Around half of those are in Massachusetts.

At least nine people were killed during last week's storm which battered the same region. There was major coastal flooding in Massachusetts and about 2.4 million homes and businesses lost power.

But because business interests must maximize profits, which involves also maximizing 'cost-effective' pollution, what remains of natural processes and a once self-maintaining global life support system consisting of life has to go:

for business interests to be paid by the poisoned public (we know that Trump's already given out some geoengineering funding, because we hear about what he does) for spraying even more toxic pollutants to shower gradually down all over the Earth from the sky;

in order to block sunlight and disrupt other natural processes absolutely and utterly required for planetary health and life;

while disaster captalists 'privatize' (water systems, even to area rainfall; Monsanto, et al, patenting as well as distorting life; bankster-scammed-away housing bought to stand empty, etc.) whatever they think might survive for a while, so as to profit off any of the dying billions of people able to scrape up any money for a little longer, such money only to be obtained from business interests - who refuse to pay a living wage to them - and who somehow get to run the planet straight into a hell-scape.

All this for more soon-to-be-worthless money than they could ever spend before the people and world they've drained this from perish.

Unless, of course, they invest in the creation of an escape off-planet for themselves, and for which much money will be required. So they loot more heavily of what little remains, in every way possible, creating more and faster destruction on Earth in the belief they'll be able to escape the consequences of their own actions by going off-planet, to do it to themselves again, wherever they might escape to, no doubt.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30197085

Geo-engineering: Climate fixes 'could harm billions'
By David Shukman Science editor, BBC News

26 November 2014

Schemes to tackle climate change could prove disastrous for billions of people, but might be required for the good of the planet, scientists say.

That is the conclusion of a new set of studies into what's become known as geo-engineering.

This is the so far unproven science of intervening in the climate to bring down temperatures.

These projects work by, for example, shading the Earth from the Sun or soaking up carbon dioxide.

Ideas include aircraft spraying out sulphur particles at high altitude to mimic the cooling effect of volcanoes or using artificial "trees" to absorb CO2.

Long regarded as the most bizarre of all solutions for global warming, ideas for geo-engineering have come in for more scrutiny in recent years as international efforts to limit carbon emissions have failed.

Now three combined research projects, led by teams from the universities of Leeds, Bristol and Oxford, have explored the implications in more detail.

The central conclusion, according to Dr Matt Watson of Bristol University, is that the issues surrounding geo-engineering - how it might work, the effects it might have and the potential downsides - are "really really complicated".

Sun block

"We don't like the idea but we're more convinced than ever that we have to research it," he said.

"Personally I find this stuff terrifying but we have to compare it to doing nothing, to business-as-usual leading us to a world with a 4C rise." ...

And these are to be the only choices? Both selected by destructive and lunatic self-interests, which then get to continue 'business as usual' either way, while the world painfully perishes of their profiteering? They're already 'lost in space'.

When 'business as usual' destroys the only ground beneath all of our feet, as well as poisoning the air, food, water, global life-support system, we'd better get those business interests the hell out of ours. There is no time left to waste.

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exploring right now is the one between old Wilbur’s ears.

We don’t even understand space and it’s conditions and forces yet.

The Simplest Things That Scientists Still Can't Explain

By Trevor English
February, 23rd 2017

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Dark Matter and Dark Energy

All of the matter that we consider normal, i.e. planets, stars, etc., only account for 4.9 percent of the total matter and energy observed in the universe. 26.8 percent of matter and energy is considered dark. Scientists reached this conclusion due to the fact that on a universal scale, matter is moving faster than it should throughout our universe. We understand that dark matter and dark energy must exist given what we observe in the universe, but scientists aren't sure what these particles actually are. There is extensive research going into expanding the search for dark matter particles since they make up most of the mass of the universe.

Dark energy presents another problem. The universe is expanding at an accelerated rate. The universe has always been expanding since the beginning, but only until 5 or so billion years ago, that rate was in decline. Now, the universe is accelerating outwards, and scientists aren't sure where this energy is coming from. There are plenty of models and theories about this, but none conclusive.

How Gravity Works

Gravity exists, we understand it pretty well. Newton did a great job discovering the force and explaining its principles. However, of the four forces holding the universe together – strong, weak, electromagnetic, and gravity – scientists aren't really sure how gravity is such a weak force but also so strong. Gravity never disappears throughout the universe, yet it is the weakest of all of the four forces. Each of the four main forces in the universe have their own respective particles that ultimately control each one, except for gravity. Hypothetically speaking, there exists a particle called the graviton, but scientists haven't found it yet. The other breakdown in our understanding of gravity is that it doesn't work on a quantum or atomic scale. This is one of the biggest reasons why quantum research and physical research can rarely ever collude.

Gravity can be modeled, the force can be calculated, but since we haven't found a graviton particle yet, we don't really fully understand it. If researchers conclude that there doesn't exist a particle associated with gravity, then much of the science around forces breaks down. Some researchers believe they have found a graviton, but nothing is universally agreed upon yet.

https://interestingengineering.com/simplest-things-scientists-cant-explain

Sure, we can send someone up there. But that’s not going to do much good when you don’t even understand your surroundings.

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I agree that we do not understand gravity, especially the so-called "dark matter". To me, dark matter has the kind of impossible properties that were attributed to the "aether" 150 years ago.

With that attitude, I was open to alternative theories; and I found one. Given your response, I thought you might find the following material interesting.

There is a maverick physicist, named Eric Verlinde, who has a very interesting theory. Namely that gravity is not a fundamental particle force, but rather an emergent property of matter and dark energy interacting. (He still thinks there is dark energy.) He describes gravity and quantum physics and being related in the same manner as thermodynamics and statistical mechanics. That is, gravity is the macroscopic observable of microscopic statistical events.

Surprisingly, the physics of all this is accessible to the scientifically literate lay person. Once you have bought into the "holographic principle" stuff from black hole theory, the derivation of emergent gravity is little more than algebra.

Interestingly, this theory explains the behavior of rotating galaxies with ZERO free parameters, whereas the dark matter theories all have some free parameters to twiddle. Also, the theory includes the Hubble constant (related to the "galactic horizon", which has been invoked by the "EM drive" people).

Anyway, if you are a science groupie, emergent gravity is very interesting. Here are some starting points for searching:

There is a writeup at Wired magazine: The man who is trying to kill dark matter

Verlinde's latest paper is: Emergent gravity and the dark universe

There are several hour-long lectures of his on YouTube.

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60s. Science today is nothing like it was back then.

I’m a science illiterate. But I’m trying to learn.

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matter in many cases apparently has different properties at the nano-level, as in nano-particles of inert substances no longer being so.

They say that the first step toward wisdom involves realizing how little you actually know.

Surely a corollary must be that the health and existence of planetary life must not be experimented with as a whole on a free-form basis of environmental releases 'to see what happens'/for profit, as with GMO viruses and other novel organisms and the pumping-out of vast quantities of nanoparticles in commercially-sold products and oceanic/atmospheric experimentation.

Edit for the traditional letter-typo.

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Is an interesting novel by Kim Stanley Robinson on both the ethics and feasibility of interstellar colonization. He concludes that both are highly questionable.

As for the purpose of Martian settlement, KSR actually saw it as a way to break out of end stage capitalism. Romantic I suppose, but worth considering. Maybe the despoilers are not the only ones looking for a fresh start.

I’ve also seen arguments that the best place to colonize might actually be the clouds of Venus. Earth normal gravity and pressure.

But why would we do such things? Partly because as a species we need challenges like this, and partly because it gives us a place to create societies that are not prisoners to history. But breaking those chains is difficult without self sufficiency- which is really hard in space.

Cass, you speak of utopian thinking being something we need in the present moment. And while I agree that space provides yet another way to extend structures of economic slavery beyond our planet, it also may provide a way to create such utopias quarantined from the past by the vast distances involved. Maybe that is only a pipe dream, but if we don’t have those dreams now, we may not be able to take advantage of the opportunities should they arise.

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@Hawkfish @Hawkfish I have no beef with those who want to colonize Mars. But I do think that the current Bezos-and-Musk-led notion of colonizing Mars is the worst kind of utopian dream, composed of a little recycled space-race hubris, a touch of space opera, and about 80% capitalist ego-trip. Maybe Wilbur Ross's editorial was timed to coincide with the release of the latest Star Wars movie.

As for Venus, Robinson has a plan for terraforming Venus outlined in his novel "2312." It involves enclosing the whole planet in an aluminum bubble so no sunlight can get in, waiting until the atmosphere freezes, and then sending in automated bulldozers to bury the frozen carbon dioxide underground. I can't imagine any currently-existing government taking on such a project.

I'm definitely an advocate of utopian dreaming, though I'm also an advocate of utopian critique. So for instance the Heinrich Himmler Nazi utopian dream, in which the Ukrainians were to be wiped out so that the Ukraine could become Germany's new homeland, merited critique rather than further dreaming. One remembers that Cristobal Colon came to the Americas looking for Eden in 1492, while the primary material result of the Conquistadores and their multiple search for Eden after him was the importation of smallpox into the New World and the wiping out of civilizations we still don't know enough about.

The sort of utopian dreaming we need today is dreaming of a utopia of sustainability, of a society in which ecology would matter. The closest ecology itself has gotten to this sort of utopian dreaming is the agroecological dream of sustainable agriculture. So let's think on this -- if we can't think carefully today about how an ecological society would come from the current unecological one, how are we going to create an ecological society on Mars?

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is something these clowns haven't really thought through. Imagine you can set up an asteroid mining operation that extracts industrially useful and/or socially fetishised metals in quantity and ships them down. Sure you could probably extract more gold than has been mined in all of human history but you would also crash your market. But I guess you can make it up in volume...

The only way that space industry works is as a post-scarcity economy. And scarcity is one of the drivers of capitalism (monopolies are the ultimate scarcity - and the investors wet dream). But scarcity is the opposite of sustainable. So capitalism has to go before we can go to the stars.

Back here on earth, sustainability is much harder with our current population. The curve is bending now, but greed keeps us from deploying life-enhancing technologies for the basics of food, clothing, shelter and medical care. I work in tech and most of the other stuff we do is pretty useless - if not simply evil (FWIW I work in data analysis, which is a tool that can at least be used for many things). The biggest thing we need is energy (not so much for us rich westerners, but for places like hospitals in India that lose more babies to power cuts than anything else). Instead we get Facebook and other "siren servers". Yay for free markets.

So we need dreams (and not just those of "the proud" as Pink Floyd put it) but we also need to figure out how we get there. I'm an aging techie who is congenitally fascinated by those hows but I wish more of my collegues would look up from their screens and really see what is going on in the world - and where we are headed. The younger generation seems to have more of a clue about the depths of our problems, which gives me some hope.

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@Hawkfish

So capitalism has to go before we can go to the stars.

though --

Back here on earth, sustainability is much harder with our current population.

The flip side of population is that more people means more minds which can be productively focused on problems of sustainability. (Yes of course in the real world nobody thinks of sustainability, which is why population is so often regarded as dead weight.) Or, if you want to think of it in agroecological terms, more people means more people-poop which can be composted to produce more food to feed more people. And --

So we need dreams (and not just those of "the proud" as Pink Floyd put it) but we also need to figure out how we get there.

Yes of course.

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@Cassiodorus where your avatar comes from.

Good show, and the fact it pisses off conservatives just makes me like it more.

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@detroitmechworks And it keeps getting better with each episode!

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... The sort of utopian dreaming we need today is dreaming of a utopia of sustainability, of a society in which ecology would matter. ...

Need sane people in government for that, though!

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@Hawkfish
Mankind originated in Africa and was optimized by evolution to live there. Why did they move?

It's what humans do. Why do people go on vacations? They could stay home and read and watch videos of foreign places instead?

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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And those of us accepting medical advances and able to access them need to accept that we should have no more than two children per couple, with those not wishing to have children being 'permitted' to avoid doing to, to get the already excessive global population down via a gradual and natural attrition.

While much exploration may have been fostered by not only curiosity and an urge for adventure but the hope of gaining riches and honors, much of historical migration was in the hope for a better life, to escape perhaps even intolerable conditions and in some cases, was forced migration. And large families creating an expanding population among limited resources often played a great role in the need for such migration.

If people are happy where they are, they may enjoy travel but generally feel that there's no place like home.

And if we're supposed to have intelligence as a species, it would behoove us to at least demonstrate having enough brains to save our skins by not out-breeding the ability of the life-support system to sustain itself and us.

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Except in that movie the humans were just being fattened up by TPTB to be compliant. In a Bezos on Mars version, humans would be treated to the Amazon warehouse mentality but without the ambulances waiting outside.

I'd sooner trust my life with a ravenous animal than I would with the likes of Bezos (which my spell check wants to change to bozo).

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First example I've heard of it demonstrating this, lol.

Couldn't agree more; many murder mysteries/horror novels have been essentially based on a person/group being isolated with some psychopathic person, entity or group.

When you're talking about an isolated, privately owned space colony where the psychopathic corporation/billionaire owner makes whatever law exists because no Earth law applies up there; anyone regarded as a nuisance or dead weight is likely to be simply... vacuumed away. And even if the news got out somehow, what could anyone do about it?

Edited because I can't type, lol; missed several letters and a couple of freaking words during a sentence reconstruction.

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