California Democratic Party Civil War Underway

A civil war in the Democratic Party between the populist left and the neoliberal centrists finally, belatedly has broken out. An "Army of Progressive Primary Challengers" aim to overturn the out of touch Democratic establishment nationwide.
However, it is in California, where Democrats are strongest, is where the front lines of this battle will be fought. The touchstone of this battle is health care.

Stoked by a contested race for state Democratic Party chair and the failure of a single-payer health care bill, activists are staging protests at the capitol. Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon reported receiving death threats after shelving the health care legislation late last month, and security was tightened at the statehouse after activists disrupted a floor session last week.
The rancor, a spillover from the contentious Democratic presidential primary last year, is aggravating divisions in a state regarded nationally as a lodestar for the liberal cause.

The origin of this battle started last month.
Kimberly Ellis, a Berniecrat, was denied the state chair by a razor-thin margin, that included a combination of both Super Delegates and ineligible votes.

In a recent podcast with Jonathan Tasini, Ellis revealed that during a meeting a few weeks after she announced her campaign for the California Democratic Party chair position, party insiders asked her, “Who the hell do you think you are running for this?” during a private dinner. She was told her campaign would be political suicide. The insiders threatened to personally participate in “politically murdering” her. In line with their behavior in other contests between these two factions, the party’s establishment used corrupt, undemocratic tactics to ensure their preferred candidate, Bauman, won.
... “Excluding the more than 200 ballots with signature mismatches and questions around dues-payment eligibility requirements, at least 47 ballots for Bauman in the chair’s contest were ineligible or bear the hallmarks of organized manipulation. More than 30 ballots for Bauman should have been, but were not, disqualified. Several Bauman proxy votes, or ballots cast in the name of Democratic delegates who were not present, came from people who were not qualified under Party eligibility standards to cast ballots, were not registered to vote, or who were not registered as Democrats.”

If that wasn't enough, the underhanded way the Democratic establishment pretended to push for single-payer health care and then killed it without a vote is just about the last straw.

Explaining his decision to temporarily stymie the Healthy California Act, Rendon called the bill “woefully incomplete” since the measure included no specific provisions for financing or provider payments.

Rendon is actually telling the truth to a certain extent.
Jimmy Dore explain in the video below how Prop 98 prevented the bill in it's form from ever being able to pass.

But that causes one to question why the bill ever made it so far? Why did the Democratic legislators promise so much? What it looks like is a very insincere effort at temporarily appeasing the progressive wing of the party, after robbing them of the state chair.
And it doesn't appear to have worked at all.

People need to understand that the governor has not supported single-payer for a long time. And everyone has known in advance that that this bill was doomed to fail—that the governor would never sign it. And the only decision about this was where, and in what committee, it was going to die. That's it. I know I'm sounding very cynical right now, but they never had the intention of passing this.

California Democrats, and Democrats nationwide, are guilty of defending a health care system that doesn't work, while promising to fix it's problem without telling us how.
The battle over Obamacare is a good example. Republicans are trying to pass a horrible, gruesome repeal bill, while the Dems fight to preserve Obamacare. The problem is that Obamacare is slowly dying.

Results of the Gallup-Sharecare Well-Being Index were released Monday, showing some 2 million U.S. adults lost insurance coverage this year alone. The uninsurance rate grew from 10.9 percent at the end of 2016 to 11.7 percent in the second quarter of 2017

The battle over health care reform is mostly about Big Money + Ignorance + Big Corruption versus the grassroots.
We have the numbers and the logic. They have everything else. The trick is washing away the ignorance.

Remember: around one in three Americans is unaware of the fact that there is no difference between Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act (ACA) — they are one and the same. Many of these people tell pollsters that they like the ACA but dislike Obamacare.
...An August 2009 poll found that 39% of Americans said they wanted government to “stay out of Medicare” — which is, of course, impossible.
... For example, according to a February 2016 poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation, “nearly two thirds (64%) of Americans say they have a positive reaction to the term ‘Medicare-for-all,’ and most (57%) say the same about ‘guaranteed universal health coverage.’ Fewer have a positive reaction to ‘single payer health insurance system’ (44%) or ‘socialized medicine’ (38%).”

The words don’t work and, as a result, ignorance abounds.

“About half (53%) of Democrats say they have a very positive reaction to ‘Medicare-for-all’ compared with 21 percent who say the same for ‘single payer health insurance system,’” according to the Kaiser poll. But to be clear: “Medicare-for-all” and “single payer” refer to… the same exact thing.

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Medicare-for-all is one possible single-payer plan. The term single-payer is more inclusive including "socialized medicine" i.e. a system in which all health care is provided by a single government agency like the UK National Health system. Most people do oppose this but like Medicare which lets you select your own doctor who is a private provider, not necessarily a government employee. Look at the German and Nordic countries for a differing system from the UK. I think the French system is also different but I don't know enough about it.

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similar if not identical things. Single Payer is more general. Medicare-For-All is based on an actual entity or socialized program which has worked here for decades. Quit nit-picking! Rec'd!! @The Voice In the Wilderness

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Some yahoos make me want to change species!

@The Voice In the Wilderness isn't single payer when you need supplemental insurance for part of the costs. Right? I know we've discussed this out here before, to have a true single payer it would be government owned and run, correct? Like the UK at least once was.

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@lizzyh7

I favor increasing the tax by 25% to cover the missing 20% and freezing out the ins cos.
Step 2 (or maybe step one!) fold Part D into Part B and regulate drug prices as every other civilized country does.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness In the UK everyone has access to the NHS, which is paid for through taxation. People of means can have private insurance, they see the same specialists at the NHS hospitals. The super rich go to specialists on Harley Street. There has been major changes to the NHS in recent times and the system currently suffers from the effects of under-funding and some form of privatization.

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An ideologue is someone who has stopped thinking.

@chambord If and when Corbyn's Labour takes over, I hope they can restore funding and somehow make it Tory-proof.

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@chambord

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@The Voice In the Wilderness

I want Medicare for All and like using the term because Medicare is known to almost every adult. If they are not receiving it, they know someone who is. And, it is THE most popular government program. Say single payer to many and you'll get a blank stare. Most patients don't care (yet*) whether Medicare has one payer or six. They care about the cost, picking their own doc and the coverage.

*Single payer should cut costs, but that has not been explained very well to most Americans yet.

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Down with the corrupt establishment!

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on to their power and resist every chance they have to change the party back to what it was decades ago at both the state and federal levels.

I wish that we could get more eyes on your essays. They are brilliant.
Glad that you are writing here.

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@snoopydawg When she's not leading the McResistance

Although Clinton lost the election, she is still trying to run the Democratic Party by other means. The Hill reported on July 8 that Hillary Clinton is planning to campaign and fundraise for Democratic congressional candidates in 2018. The article states that she will use her Super PAC, Onward Together, as a fundraising apparatus. In an interview shortly after launching the PAC in May 2017, she criticized the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and implied it was useless during her presidential campaign.
The Hill stated that Republicans welcome Hillary Clinton’s involvement in the 2018 midterm elections. Her reputation for scandals, corruption and poor leadership provide them with even more political ammunition than House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s unpopularity. Clinton intervening in congressional races by actively campaigning for candidates will feed into Republicans’ messaging that the Democratic Party is the party of the Clintons.

Targeting wealthy suburbs aligns with the will of the Democratic Party’s wealthiest donors—Hillary Clinton’s closest allies. This strategy moves the party away from necessary reforms and ensures that it will remain shaped by the former first family’s image. Establishment Democrats would rather shift to the center and court elites at lavish fundraisers than enact meaningful policies. All the while, working class, middle class and low income voters are increasingly disenfranchised from the party they view as beholden to corporations and the wealthy.

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@gjohnsit to the uber wealthy, who could be surprised? And they DO seem to worship her so she'll get her fix in that respect too. Ick.

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@gjohnsit

The Hill stated that Republicans welcome Hillary Clinton’s involvement in the 2018 midterm elections.

Does anyone else see this as what the trade calls "a bad sign"??

Democratic Party leaders are supposed to inspire fear in Republicans, not welcome!

Her reputation for scandals, corruption and poor leadership provide them with even more political ammunition than House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s unpopularity.

She's still a Goldwater Girl. She's just figured out another way to express it!

Wink

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"Some members of the government are now investigating opioid pain killers but they are investigating the wrong thing. Despair-masking drugs are not the problem. Despair is."
-- featheredsprite

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@gjohnsit it was one of the reasons why he is staying in DC. The first reason is so his youngest daughter can graduate from her high school. The other reason is to protect his legacy. Both his and Hillary's super PACs are making sure that the party doesn't move too far to the left. His super PAC is called organizing for America, IIRC.

The longer the Clintons stay tied to the DP, the less chance there is that they will change anything.
We've already heard from Pelosi that she doesn't think that they need to change anything, except for finding the proper messages that will get people crawling back to the party.

Hillary's hasn't learned that it doesn't matter how much money she or anyone in the party has, they will still lose to the republicans if people won't vote for the democrat.
Look at how many private fundraisers she went to during the last month of the election instead of going to the states that she lost to Trump.

How can we miss her, indeed.

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@snoopydawg
from highschool, Obama has to rent a mansion in the Kalorama area in Washiington DC? Interesting.

I think it might have more to do with Obama not getting over the criticism he has gotten from the left progressive side of the Democratic Party and he can't detach himself from that. He wants to meddle and fight back, I assume.

I know the area well. Lots of elite, rich Democrats lived there. As a little people person you can't help but feel 'inadequate' among the neighbors in that area.

What the heck.

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"History is what the present chooses to remember" - Carl Becker

@mimi @mimi

As a little people person you can't help but feel 'inadequate' among the neighbors in that area.

the good stuff is inside you, right?

P.S. He has yet to master the objective case in English.
"The King gave Michelle and I that big bag of gold."

He can't quite get the hang of it. some genius.
aargh.

now here's royalty for real.

edit. rewrite title -add video

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@irishking
you understand too much of both/several sides. It's harder to pursue favorite pipe-dreams about another country being a better place to find peace and a decent living with more social justice.

I see here a couple of people having hidden thoughts and dreams to find those places somewhere in Scandinavia or Latin America... heh, I don't want to wake you up from having dreams, go on. In that sense I am americanized, keep hope alive and I am the change I want to see /s... okey, dokey. But when you get to the other side and wake up, please don't blame it on ... not being told by those who understand at least a little bit of the other side's language and culture.

Thanks for the royal tunes.
Smile

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"History is what the present chooses to remember" - Carl Becker

@mimi

seats Democrats lost, local, state and federal, after Obama became head of the Democratic Party. They gained greatly in 2006 because people were waking up to how bad Bush was. Between the economic crash of 2008 and other things, 2008 was the "perfect storm" for electing Democrats. From 2010 on, it was the Titanic.

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@gjohnsit that she's poison.

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@snoopydawg Top comment. Wink

Oh, and she's abjectly NOT gone. Open Secrets tweeted in the past few days a link which shows she formed a joint fundraising committee w/ DNC for the 2018 cycle, ostensibly (this is my conjecture based on other reporting this week) to support congressional candidates in the districts where she outperformed Trump (if I'm wrong, she's running for national dog catcher or something I haven't figured out yet for next year).

She's not done. She can't really be 'back' since she never really left and all...

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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@MsGrin I was trying to refer to the 'can't miss her' comment... so true.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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@MsGrin @Snoopydawg, I can't keep track of my head these days, let alone to whom I owe notes. My apologies...

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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@MsGrin I have been wondering where you were. I hope everything is okay with you.
You are right that she isn't done meddling in our politics. Neither is Bill or Barry, unfortunately. They think they are so important and we'd be worse off if they weren't still involved with our politics.

After Obama wrecked what was left of the DP, he's sticking around to make sure that the DP doesn't move too far to the left. So are Pelosi and Schumer.

As I stated in tonight"s EBs, the damage that Obama did to our country is going to last for decades. Everything he did helped the 1% and he left the remaining 99% barely able to hang on.

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@snoopydawg
Just asking. They are very familiar with the Kalorama neighborhood.

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"History is what the present chooses to remember" - Carl Becker

@snoopydawg

...You are right that she isn't done meddling in our politics. Neither is Bill or Barry, unfortunately. They think they are so important and we'd be worse off if they weren't still involved with our politics. ...

Very diplomatic of you to assume that people bleeding Americans and others dry for the enrichment of a relative few self-interests already having most of everybody else's share are concerned about their victims being worse off without them, lol. Or was this snark?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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these excellent diaries + links?!? You are one heckuva asset for this site! Have you seen any recent posts from bobswern? I know he was banned from TOPlague months ago. Sad

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Some yahoos make me want to change species!

@orlbucfan
There's so much going on that a)interests me, b)alarms me, or c)pisses me off (mostly (c)) that I'm going to rant somewhere.
If I don't do it here, I'll unload on my friends and family, in which case I'll soon not have friends and family to talk to.
This way I rarely talk politics IRL. It's better that way.

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@gjohnsit

I'm gonna rant one way or another. There's so much going on that a)interests me, b)alarms me, or c)pisses me off (mostly (c)) that I'm going to rant somewhere.
If I don't do it here, I'll unload on my friends and family, in which case I'll soon not have friends and family to talk to.
This way I rarely talk politics IRL. It's better that way.

punctuation adjusted for format change (period added)

So c99p benefits, and your familial relationships stay intact!

Smart!

Smile

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"Some members of the government are now investigating opioid pain killers but they are investigating the wrong thing. Despair-masking drugs are not the problem. Despair is."
-- featheredsprite

@gjohnsit air kisses, cyber hugs to you, Handsome Man.
Thanks for all you do.

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@on the cusp

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@gjohnsit and this is so much better than TOP.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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while people go without healthcare and die.

Why should they get what they won't let the people have?

and then they're surprised people get pissed, fuck em.

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“We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy.”

― Chris Hedges

In his Intercept article Dayen called what the organizers are doing as"deceiving their supporters". Fuck him. He puts no responsibility on democratic party lawmakers. He says bullshit about them, but in the end blames the single payer organizers. In says Rendon is a politician blah blah blah, but then puts no responsibility on him--almost like he was cool and dispassionate and it is the CNA that controls the process. But rather chides the organizers for not putting in their amendments to the original bill. Dayen as far as I am concerned is defending CA lawmakers. Here is the response by the CNA in The Intercept:

First, the assumption that California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon will engage on the substance of SB562: Simply put, there is no good faith on Rendon’s part. He knew CNA had developed amendments when he stalled the bill, and his own staff had told us to focus on policy rather than financing, which we were doing with the bill’s co-authors. The Speaker talks of sending the bill back to the Senate but, under the rules, he knows it can only be amended in the Assembly now.

While the video is educational about financing, Dayen is otherwise protective and full of shit about the establishment and puts the full responsibility on the CNA.

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@MrWebster
Intercept's trustworthiness? Could someone there have been "reached," as a judge described it decades ago when I was doing jury duty in NYC.

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@Creosote. The Intercept just published a lengthy defense of CA efforts by Robert Pollin.

POLLIN: WHY SINGLE PAYER, NOW, IS FOR REAL
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/10/pollin-why-single-payer-now-is-for-r...

I have no idea what motivated Dayen to interject slander against the CNA. It is encouraging that so many people are saying "bullshit we won't go home quietly and vote for you" to the democrats in CA and to critics like Dayen.

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@MrWebster
Valuable assessment of the situation - and identification of actual naysayers.

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here.(PDF)

From financing to implementation to legal issues, pretty much everything you would ever want to know about the bill.

Moneywise, they estimate between $50 & 100 bil. needed in new revenue.

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

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Maybe to divert attention away from the rotten core responsible for this: Sacramento sees a startling surge in homeless people. Who they are might surprise you

Homelessness rose by a startling 30 percent from 2,822 people the last time the transient population was counted in 2015, it said. It is the highest number of people living without permanent housing Sacramento has ever recorded.

About 2,000 of those counted by the survey are living outside, marking another first: More people are now living in the elements than in shelters or other emergency housing, the reverse of previous years, though lower than the state average.

The number of unsheltered homeless in the county skyrocketed by 85 percent in recent years, making up nearly half of the increase in overall numbers. About 800 of those are chronically homeless, meaning they have been homeless for more than a year or have had multiple bouts of homelessness in the past three years, and have a mental, physical or developmental disability that keeps them from working.

California can't even provide housing for all, much less healthcare. "the five loaves and the fishes ain't gonna be much help." Rock on.

Put The Money Down - The Who

peace

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@eyo

Civil War as diversion Maybe to divert attention away from the rotten core responsible for this: Sacramento sees a startling surge in homeless people. Who they are might surprise you

I read the linked article (OK).

I then read the comments (mas grande mistake)!! Heartless, soul-less right wing assholes galore! Plenty of blame the victim, few traces of discussion of the real source of the problem (50+ years of wage dilution!) in those comments.

I forget that everywhere isn't like c99p, where the comments are well thought out and are as worthy of the time and effort it takes to read them as the Essays themselves are. (And I'm talking about the trite tripe I write, much less the comments of the likes of eyo, OPOL, gjohnsit, LaFeminista, mimi, joe shikspack, et al,!) Wink

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"Some members of the government are now investigating opioid pain killers but they are investigating the wrong thing. Despair-masking drugs are not the problem. Despair is."
-- featheredsprite

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@thanatokephaloides sorry about that, I guess they were pretty racist? What happened to our newspapers? I have blocked comments everywhere but here, mostly. Disqus on my local papers is the worst, I call it disqust, stopped reading it.

It is amazing, entire industries (contracts galore) have grown to support the "problem" of housing a small fraction of our population, the people who have nothing or less. It is not a hard problem to solve physically, it is pure politics (and greed) making people suffer and die on the streets.

This is me trying to expand the Overton window, if I vote for MfA of course it would be to help others, preferably not billionaires, they already had enough help. Why can't the sixth largest economy in the world, the state with the highest number of billionaires, provide decent housing for everyone across the board, without picking and choosing who wins and loses? "We're capitalists."

Don't get your war on, don't say healthcare if you can't even do housing.

peace

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@eyo And how do they plan to solve it? Besides "leafblower" sweeps to harass the campers? More high end condominiums, of course. After all, if paying a trendy $2000 rent gives you status, imagine the rush from paying an even trendier $3000 rent? Those $17 milkshakes don't sound so expensive after that.

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I recommend T. R. Reid's The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care:

https://www.amazon.com/Healing-America-Global-Better-Cheaper/dp/01431182...

Reid takes a look at the health care systems in developed countries around the world. It's a very informative book, rated 4.7 stars out of a possible 5 at Amazon.com by 502 customers.

Reid opines at the end that Obama blew it by selling the ACA as an economic issue rather than a moral one.

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@SancheLlewellyn and he even mentioned a company store. Facebook village? Social media giant to build 'social housing'

Facebook’s proposals for the Willow Park development, which will include a grocery store and pharmacy, have been welcomed by Diane Bailey, executive director of community group Menlo Spark. “We feel that Facebook genuinely wants to be a good neighbour,” she said. “They appear to have heard the requests of the community and they want to meet those requests. The area has not had a grocery store or pharmacy for a long time.” It can take more than half an hour to drive to the nearest supermarket four miles away due to traffic jams.

More money for Zuck and his politicians, "That's the system." Housing for FB, not for homeless. I guess he is planning on cutting wages, or maybe he already doesn't pay enough? Why build "affordable" housing, is it for his servant class or what. Feh.

Zuckerberg's ego is splattered all over San Francisco now, much like Trump in NY. Blue church, Red church. (Thanks to whoever linked that Blue Church article yesterday, good one.)

peace

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@eyo He'll just deduct housing and grocery costs from them, and the workers will be in the hole every month, eventually.

"You code fifteen hours and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt!"

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@dervish

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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@eyo
Anybody have that link to put here also? Can't remember if it was native, or dervish (or someone else), who put it up and where.

Thanks in advance.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

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@Mark from Queens but I marked it, hang on a sec...

Understanding the Blue Church

He's got other articles out there too.

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@dervish
Wanted to re-read it and possibly send on to friends.

Corporate mainstream media and government propaganda together, is the linchpin to practically everything.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

@eyo @eyo

Zuck wants to build affordable housing at FB now

and he even mentioned a company store. Facebook village? Social media giant to build 'social housing'

Facebook’s proposals for the Willow Park development, which will include a grocery store and pharmacy, have been welcomed by Diane Bailey, executive director of community group Menlo Spark. “We feel that Facebook genuinely wants to be a good neighbour,” she said. “They appear to have heard the requests of the community and they want to meet those requests. The area has not had a grocery store or pharmacy for a long time.” It can take more than half an hour to drive to the nearest supermarket four miles away due to traffic jams.

More money for Zuck and his politicians, "That's the system." Housing for FB, not for homeless. I guess he is planning on cutting wages, or maybe he already doesn't pay enough? Why build "affordable" housing, is it for his servant class or what. Feh. ...

Incrementally moving into the prospectively approaching billionaire monopoly on housing now that banksters/speculators/investment groups have made it damn near impossible for most people to ever afford to own their own home, if they don't already?

Once you own government, or a large enough share of it, you can wind up owning everything...

Edited to add relevant quote from waaaaay up there.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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@SancheLlewellyn seem to have the most expensive housing.

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@eyo

housing, let alone "affordable" housing. This has been proven again and again, so much so that the conservative state of Utah now provides modest, small apartments to the homeless as a cost-saving measure. Medicare for All, if done right, is cheaper than the current situation.

For some reason, our society prefers meanness, especially to homeless people, to saving money. We don't even provide them with coin operated johns or showers. (Someone here once replied to that with one community that does, but that was one in a row.)

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@HenryAWallace goes far beyond that even. It's bad for business, and discourages pedestrian traffic, yet few cities catch on. A vibrant pedestrian zone must include public restrooms.

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@dervish

be to crap themselves, with no place, even a sink, to clean up--and then have to beg for money while they stink. I have lived in cities all my life and can attest that happens. We must remember, too, that families with children, including infants and those attending school become homeless. Think diaper rash, being bullied in elementary school or junior high because you have b.o., etc. It's very different from someone who can easily afford to stop for coffee and use the facilities, then go home.

As a society, we're despicable to the homeless, IMO.

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