Brexit appears to be a big win for the xenophobic, racist right.

The returns are still coming in, and there is much debate on who backed what and why, who said what to whom, and so on. But preliminary data tells us that the biggest forces behind the Brexit campaign, and the people crowing about it the loudest, with exceptions, are on the far right, and they used strong appeals to racism, xenophobia, even homophobia to get what they wanted. The available data also shows a huge generational divide, with younger Britons overwhelmingly supporting bremain, and older Britons going for brexit:

This Post Perfectly Explains Why Brexit Is So Devastating to the UK’s Youth

HOW AGES VOTED
(YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain#EUref

— Ben Riley-Smith (@benrileysmith) June 23, 2016

Age breakdown on Brexit polls tells underlying story. Older generation voted for a future the younger don't want: pic.twitter.com/kMPECqQF6u

— Murtaza Hussain (@MazMHussain) June 24, 2016

Kevin Drum of Brexit Wins had this to say:

I don't have any personal axe to grind on Brexit. Except for one: I am sick and tired of watching folks like Boris Johnson, Marine Le Pen, Donald Trump, and others appeal to the worst racial instincts of our species, only to be shushed by folks telling me that it's not really racism driving their popularity. It's economic angst. It's regular folks tired of being spurned by out-of-touch elites. It's a natural anxiety over rapid cultural change.

Maybe it's all those things. But at its core, it's the last stand of old people who have been frightened to death by cynical right-wing media empires and the demagogues who enable them—all of whom have based their appeals on racism as overt as anything we've seen in decades. It's loathsome beyond belief, and not something I thought I'd ever see in my lifetime. But that's where we are.

Gary Younge of the Guardian adds this:

Britain is no more sovereign today than it was yesterday. We will leave the EU but remain within the neoliberal system. Left to the mercy of the markets we are arguably now less capable of directing our affairs than we were. We are not independent. We are simply isolated . . .

And then he gets down to the nitty gritty:

When you dehumanise immigrants, using vile imagery and language, scapegoating them for a nation’s ills and targeting them as job-stealing interlopers, you stoke prejudice and foment hatred.

The chutzpah with which the Tory right – the very people who had pioneered austerity, damaging jobs, services and communities – blamed immigrants for the lack of resources was breathtaking. The mendacity with which a section of the press fanned those flames was nauseating. The pusillanimity of the remain campaign’s failure to counter these claims was indefensible.

Not everyone, or even most, of the people who voted leave were driven by racism. But the leave campaign imbued racists with a confidence they have not enjoyed for many decades and poured arsenic into the water supply of our national conversation.

In this atmosphere of racial animus and class contempt, political dislocation and electoral opportunism, the space for the arguments we need to have about immigration, democracy, and austerity simply did not exist. Our politics failed us. And since it is our politics only we can fix it.

From where I sit, across the Pond from the Brits, I see this as yet one more example of a disorganized and weakened left, unable to prevent the vicious rise and success of the racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant right. I see that failure primarily coming down to the center left's deal with the devil -- the devil being the right's own lust for austerity, neoliberalism and neoconservative. But most importantly, the devil's lust for capitalism itself, which a good bit of the left once rightfully rejected, while a much smaller portion of it does today.

To me, the absence of a vibrant anticapitalist left, one that offers a much better way for all human beings and the earth itself, a completely different way for people to support themselves, make their own way in the world, regain full autonomy, freedom and control over their own destinies, rather than being forever dependent upon crumbs from capitalists, or government, or charities of one sort or another -- this is where things have gone terribly off the rails. The only answer to the forever despicable, unconscionable ideology of the right is for the center left to end its deal with the devil, embrace its brothers and sisters further to its left, and together, become the champions of the people, truly, without hesitation, apology or regret.

In short, a unified, aggressive, fired up left needs to give everyone obvious and palpable, easily understood reasons not to succumb to right-wing con artists like Trump, Le Pen and Johnson. It needs to show that cooperative, democratic, egalitarian economies are light years better than capitalism, which is anti-democratic and anti-egalitarian to its core.

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FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

it may be. It might also be that if many countries have these referendums, that the EU will reform. That is my hope.

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It will keep capitalism in place, which is the root of the problem. Corporate control is natural to capitalism and its competitive laws of motion, and its Grow or Die imperatives.

Brexit won't stop that. It will just reconfigure the settings a bit, move the corporate chess pieces around a bit, but capitalist hegemony will remain untouched.

Personally, I'm rabidly against TPP. And I would have been against the EU forming in the first place, if I had a voice in the matter. But it's here. It exists. And, in the midst of massive immigration and refugee crises, the EU is infinitely better than any far right government that may set up shop, separate from the EU. Their agenda, their main reason for having any success at all, is by scaring people into believing black and brown people are coming to take away their jobs. Tell me, which configuration of nation-state fictions is the more likely to be more humane toward the powerless and oppressed? The EU, or far right governments which win on anti-immigrant demagoguery?

Not asking which one is good or perfect. Just which one is better.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

The Uk is still a democracy, unlike the EU, and probably will elect a labour government at some point. Labour are much more free to oppose austerity under the UK constitution than the EU constitution which outlaws deficits, and outlaws its Parliament from making laws. Syriza was forced to cut the budget and privatize all public assets by the EU for this very reason. If Syriza were not part of the Eurozone it wouldn't have happened.

I can't help but notice that people who think Brexit is nothing but gloom always want to narrow the focus to the campaign and not talk about how shitty the EU is. The fact that it is objectively shittier than the old UK democracy wise is always avoided.

It is simply not true that these governments were unavoidably neoliberal even without the EU.

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oh this is horrible. How sad people are! Of course there's no consideration for how the Leave people would have felt if Remain had won. Instead it would have been "how nice it is that reason prevailed and the bigots lost".

A friend of mine had a fascinating comment on Facebook. He must not have realized the implications of that comment when he said (a paraphrase) "I guess this is good because now I'll have to learn survivals skills with my empty 401k. Thanks, Britain!"

That's his concern, his own 401k. We know that what's good for Wall Street and other markets does not translate to good for the everyday worker but it IS good for those lucky enough to have money to invest. Somehow I can't work up sympathy.

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I can't help but notice that people who think Brexit is nothing but gloom always want to narrow the focus to the campaign and not talk about how shitty the EU is. The fact that it is objectively shittier than the old UK democracy wise is always avoided.

It is simply not true that these governments were unavoidably neoliberal even without the EU.

And, as is all too often the case here, you're assuming sinister motives where none exist.

I did not try to narrow the focus as you suggest. Though I am talking about now, 2016, and the way things are today in the world with regard to economic conditions. Capitalist hegemony exists everywhere. Breaking away from the EU will do nothing to change that. Capitalism naturally leads to corporate control, and that will continue with or without brexit. Neoliberalism is dominant, and will continue to be so with or without brexit. It is beyond naive to assume that this will alter things enough to matter in the way those of us on the left wish. To me, as an anticapitalist, libertarian socialist, it's just moving the chess pieces around a bit, and won't do anything whatsoever to alter the status quo regarding economic conditions. It will likely, in fact, make them worse, especially for the young, and definitely for immigrants and refugees.

As for how shitty the EU is now in comparison with an earlier UK. I have no idea why you think this matters. We're far, far removed from the Keynesian consensus, which was definitely better than our current situation, but still woefully short of what we needed. The Social Democracy of the post-war period was better, but actual socialism, along left-anarchist lines, would be infinitely better than that. I prefer the latter to Keynes by light years, and prefer Keynes to today's neoliberalism.

But neoliberalism is the order of the day -- again, with or without brexit, and the people on the far right who led the charge for brexit are supporters of neoliberalism.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

Running around like the little Dutch boy trying to plug all the holes in the Establishment's argument. Trying to scare us with your "it could be worse!!!" tactics.

You sound a lot like a Hillary Democrat trying to scare the semi-content.

An anarchist seeks to inspire with hope like Buenaventura Durruti. His words are especially applicable here:

No government fights fascism to destroy it. When the bourgeoisie sees that power is slipping out of its hands, it brings up fascism to hold onto their privileges.
We carry a new world here, in our hearts. That world is growing this minute.
We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that.

We have always lived in slums and holes in the wall. We will know how to accommodate ourselves for a while. For you must not forget that we can also build. It is we who built these palaces and cities, here in Spain and America and everywhere. We, the workers. We can build others to take their place. And better ones. We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts. That world is growing in this minute.

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And I have yet to read one single comment of yours that even remotely refers to anything I've said. Not within light years. They don't even refer to anything that could possibly be "read between the lines," at least if one is an intelligent adult.

I'm done with this.

Talk to yourself from this point on. I won't be responding to your paranoid bullshit.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

be a dick in this thread. You have personally insulted the diarist several times in these comments, all unnecessarily, all exactly the way you used to do on Dkos that used to piss me right the fuck off.

You have this amazing ability to teach people, Goin South. You are smart as a whip, goddamnit! Use your powers for good, not evil.

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I miss Colorado.

Capitalist hegemony exists everywhere. Breaking away from the EU will do nothing to change that.

The EU is an unelected group of technocrats pushing a neoliberal agenda.
Maybe breaking with the EU won't change capitalist hegemony, but staying with the EU sure as shit won't do it either.

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I did not try to narrow the focus as you suggest. Though I am talking about now, 2016

So your not trying to narrow the focus but only want to talk about today. What kind of pretzel logic is that?

Capitalist hegemony exists everywhere. Breaking away from the EU will do nothing to change that.

I disagree with this, for the simple fact that the UK doesn't mandate austerity and the EU does, and for the fact that the Parliament of the EU has no power to pass laws, wheres the UK Parliament can.

As for how shitty the EU is now in comparison with an earlier UK. I have no idea why you think this matters. We're far, far removed from the Keynesian consensus

We don't get there by staying in an organization that mandates that a government can't have debts!

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Conservatives and UKIP, and they hate Labour. If the UK closes borders that likely means less immigrants who would vote Labour and the millennial vote won't be influential for a while.

The old UK democracy had no Thatcher, who essentially made all the moves so that the EU had the power to do these things. The Thatcherism created the problem and was supported by the same demographic who are now voting out. They're brought this on themselves. It would be hard to get these people to vote for Corbyn and the Labour Party. I'm skeptical about the UK getting it's own SYRIZA.

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for an answer to that question. That's the low point experience I have learned today. I just shake my head.

Tell me, which configuration of nation-state fictions is the more likely to be more humane toward the powerless and oppressed? The EU, or far right governments which win on anti-immigrant demagoguery?

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which will it be? Something bad or the other thing that's bad?

How about neither the EU nor far-right governments. Is the EU as left as it gets? I sure hope not!

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Because several countries involved in that orbit are bucking TTIP.

And TTP? How many of the large economies are now throat-clearing about that? One world order has some vague appeal until capitalism and corporatism show part of their cards.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

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state to decide if the EU is right for them or not. As the EU is so darn not leftist enough and full of terrible austerity measures imposing on all of them, I see them all deciding their own exit. Halleluhjah. We have killed that monster.

And I see that happening and the consequences are all but unknown. I doubt that there will be a more leftist paradise evolve on the European continent after that, but may be I am wrong and may be you are right. Meanwhile YMMV from mine.

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many European countries have strong leftists parties who haven't sold out, but people are supporting the far-right instead. So, it may actually come down to that anyway. This is why I am skeptical of Brexit - not because of what came before it, but what could come after.

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Tell me, which configuration of nation-state fictions is the more likely to be more humane toward the powerless and oppressed? The EU, or far right governments which win on anti-immigrant demagoguery?

This question beggers belief, quit frankly. Anyone who would ask it must of lived in a cave when the EU was forcing Italy, Ireland, Greece and Portugal to privatize their pensions, sell off all public assets, and force 50% of their young adults into unemployment. These countries didn't have these problems before they joined the EU? if you don't know about this stuff, where is your authority to comment on it?

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Many countries had a Thatcher and a Reagan - some who got in through a military coup. The elites propped up these guys without exploiting a political union. They always find a way.

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Thus "Remain" couldn't have stopped an eventual "Leave" victory. As for "racism," see e.g. Kalundi Serumaga:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/23/you-talk-about-the-collapse-of-we...

As an African living within an EPA, I believe that no European discussion on how best to recover their economic prosperity, and what then to do with it, will be legitimate and ultimately productive, unless Europeans (and in particular, the former colonial powers in western Europe) also address the basis upon which they acquired and maintain that prosperity in the first place.

**cough**

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

the EU is infinitely better than any far right government that may set up shop, separate from the EU

You do realize that Brexit just brought down a right-wing PM, right?

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right-wing PM replacing the one, who just resigned.

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or maybe not.
If it happens it won't be because of Brexit. It'll be because Labour didn't listen to the working class.

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little bit of leftists there are, instead of some dyed in the wool conservatives and nationalists and patriotic Scots? Different people wanted the Brexit for different reasons, apparently. You rather throw Corbyn under the bus than Johnson?

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You are obviously emotional.
I'm going to put together an essay as a reply.

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I'll have it up inside the hour.

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they are not "working class"? Are they somehow "establishment"? I don't know exactly what Corbyn might have done wrong and why people are asking for a confidence vote on him. Could be some other leftists see a chance for themselves and blame it on him to get their own advantage. But I talk in the blue. I haven't followed it to understand it properly.

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No they are not establishment, but they aren't necessarily forces for progressiveness either. I think it is similar to the way the black community prefers Clinton out of fear of the right. In the UK the situation is reversed, where young people are more scared than older people. I think alot of Uk young people are University students for the time being and the Universities put on a massive scare campaign.

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voted for Corbyn and brought down Blair. Black Americans didn't vote for Sanders. I don't think you understand the UK.

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The Conservatives have a majority. They can shoo in a PM and not need to have an election until 2020. Labour voted to end New Labour in a landslide by electing Corbyn and the corporate media still managed to convince older Conservative voters that he's some kind of left-wing lunatic.

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And nothing has changed in British domestic politics.

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Maybe it's all those things. But at its core, it's the last stand of old people who have been frightened to death by cynical [left]-wing media empires and the demagogues who enable them

We have very similar problems. The global political/economic system is busting to pieces under the weight of it's own bullshit.

The racist appeals, scare tactics and demonization of the other is an age old means of social control. Shit is gonna get worse before it gets better.

The L.A. Weekly had a feature story about a bond measure for the homeless "problem" that had a 47,000 count for homeless Americans in L.A. County:

The only thing that makes people non-homeless is housing,” Gary Blasi, professor of law emeritus at UCLA, recently told KPCC. “Antipathy to development strangles the housing market.”

http://www.laweekly.com/news/the-one-issue-that-angelenos-most-want-the-...

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

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That's the real problem with replacing right with left in that sentence.

American media, especially, and most world media generally, is owned by huge multi-nationals which push a right-wing message. Generally speaking again, most of it is center-right, not far right. But there is no equivalent on the left to answer that combination:

The dominant corporate-owned center-right media, and the billionaire-backed far right media.

The actual left can't come close to competing with that . . . and it's starting to lose the battle in colleges and universities, too, with billionaires like the Koch brothers virtually buying them up.

That said, I think it's safe to say there aren't any Hillary supporters on this site. Speaking for myself, I don't support the Democrats or the GOP, and have never wanted to be a member of either wing of the Duopoly, being waaay to the Dems' left, etc. Going back decades.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

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is what I had in mind, and The NY Times/WaPo "left wing" media empire. That's what passes for left wing jounalism in America anyway.

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

Maybe your next diary will quote Matt Yglesias.

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If you don't believe me when I say I'm waaaay left of liberal, that's your problem, not mine. If it makes you feel good to doubt my left-anarchist bonafides, and my longtime anticapitalist stance, again, that's your problem, not mine.

Tough thing to prove, and this is far from being definitive. But it at least gives a basic idea where I stand. Go ahead and take the test and let's compare:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

My most recent score:

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.67

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

I see this as yet one more example of a disorganized and weakened left, unable to prevent the vicious rise and success of the racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant right. I see that failure primarily coming down to the center left's deal with the devil -- the devil being the right's own lust for austerity, neoliberalism and neoconservative. But most importantly, the devil's lust for capitalism itself, which a good bit of the left once rightfully rejected, while a much smaller portion of it does today.

If that was true then how come the biggest losers were the leaders of neoliberalism - the financial industry in London and the neoliberals on the center-left of politics?

Judging by who opposed Brexit, I'm incline to believe this was a win for the working class.

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this time around. I just don't believe it. The working class will suffer with or without Brexit.

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If that was true then how come the biggest losers were the leaders of neoliberalism - the financial industry in London and the neoliberals on the center-left of politics?

Anyone who strongly supports neoliberalism is not center-left, just like the Clintons, Tony Blair, etc. Tons of anti-neoliberal progressives opposed Brexit for other reasons.

The elite backers do not represent the general populace. The vote statistics and the polls indicated that the Brexit supporters were older, whiter, and lived in rural areas - the same people who have been voting for Conservatives like Thatcher and Churchill for hundreds of years.

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Not sure why some are not seeing that.

The major backers of brexit are right-wingers who are rabidly pro-capitalist, pro-inequality, and rabidly anti-labor. Small "l" labor along with Labor.

The working class "wins" if the British move well to the left, and they could have done that with bremain just as easily as brexit.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

isn't centrist on economics like the other radical right parties. He opposes universal healthcare... in the freaking UK.

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their economics hits the 99% like a ton of bricks. It's "neoliberalism" without the safety net. The idea of that safety net was actually the invention of European conservatives, going back to Bismarck. The far right, however, wants that gone, too.

The comments here that say this is some kind of win for "the people" from an economic point of view? Not if the far right leaders of the brexit movement have any say in the matter.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

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[video:https://youtu.be/HuSHFshMy7Q]

In the above interview, Chomsky states that brexit will likely make Britain even more subservient to US interests.

After asking him why he thought ‘Brexit would be a bad idea’

‘UK government is at least as neoliberal as the EU. For all its flaws, the EU offers some kind of independent and (by comparative standards) constructive option in world affairs, and could do more. With Brexit, it will be weaker, and Britain will be even more a colony of the US. Britain will also lose the advantages of closer interactions with (relatively) civilized Europe.’

Why is Chomsky against Brexit? from Chomsky

Good night, all.

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-- Albert Camus

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Chomsky also believes Israel will do a two state solution and he thought young people were silly for supporting Sanders. He doesn't always hit it.

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he endorsed Sanders. Correct me I'm I'm wrong.

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At best. If I can keep with the general tenor of this site, which is more apparent every time I read comments here, with its predilection for immediately assuming the worst, I'd say he's just making shit up.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

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You're waaay off on that one.

And he says he hopes Israel will go two state.

And speaking of young people. They overwhelmingly supported staying in the EU. As I posted above. It's mostly the angry old, white, "get off my lawn!" folks who backed brexit. The same demographic that backs the tea party and Trump here. They backed it primarily because of fears of black and brown immigration and refugees. This has nothing to do with any fight against the elites. It's being waged by elites. That's just demagogic cover in service of hiding racist intents.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

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He was white and mentioned going to the park with his kids and being the only white people there and only ones speaking English. He wasn't a blue hair. Was driving so my attention to what's being said comes and goes depending on the situation outside my vehicle.

I don't know what to make of that since the source was pro Queen of Wall Street from the get go. He's one young to middle aged guy.

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last throes of the white people. Doddering there in their mental colostomy-bags and their retrovert brown-people fear and their knee-shaking need for evolutionary walkers.

So over.

Next.

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You nailed it. And the flying monkey crowd that descended on this essay is either unaware of this, in denial, or covering it all up via the idea that the best defense is a good offense.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

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Flying monkey crowd? Wow.

If you really don't like this blog or all of the people in it, or you really don't get it here why people continue to push back on you, there are other blogs out there. Perhaps you should broaden your considerable horizons, if it's so unpleasant here.

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gets pushback because he doesn't fly with the monkeys. Because he doesn't have a star upon thar, like all the best Sneetches.

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such a good friend to him. Bless your kind and oh-so-witty heart.

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That face to face they would not. I've had Diomedes77 respond to a couple of my posts as if he were arguing with me, when in fact we saw exactly eye to eye. Was I misinterpreting the tone of his written word sans eye confirmation of body language? Or had he?

All I know is you belong here lunachickie and he does too. I don't think his flying monkeys was directed at you. He's just more rough in getting his message across. As a result, he's gotten some backs up and in return has himself seemingly gotten a bit defensive, which makes some people take the offensive. Hence his flying monkeys comment.

Hell, I see football fans take offense at each other and we're all rooting for the same team. Stakes are a bit higher here so let's all remember we're all 99%.

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Do you honestly believe a brush as broad as the one you wield is a good thing?

Look! There, to the right! Your avatar, it's a white person! Quick, stomp on it before it breeds! It can only promulgate hatred and misery and failure!

Queen of the witches, indeed. Queen of the nasty old lady witches of myth, with hairy devil's tits and boney long noses who destroy crops and poison wells, perhaps.

In no way do I, a white person, resemble your incredibly-insulting caricature. "The" white people. As though "white people" are the only ones responsible for all the ills of the planet. Be good, darling, or the white person will get you! Mommy, there's a white person under my bed.

Next time, try saying bigoted people. Try saying people who buy into fear, who need someone from "outside" to blame all their problems on. Next time, try not to be such a transparent bigot, yourself.

But no, given your track record, you'll just continue to support the bullshit you probably think you are fighting against. What your mind needs is an enema.

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The more people I meet, the more I love my cats.

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accurate. It was a Depends moment. For a bunch of old white ignorant bedwetters.

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That picture demonstrates it, actually. I think it's supposed to be intimidating, when its peanut gallery isn't trying to run interference with its wit.

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This was written before the referendum passed. But it's worth a look:

There Is No Left Exit

Leave’s exaggerated claims about EU laws superseding “our own” often raises the issue of British “sovereignty.” They have pitched this issue in terms of border control — and indeed, immigration more and more dominates the referendum debate.

Although Leave made immigration the centerpiece of its campaign, the Remain camp has certainly helped. The mainstream Remain boosters are desperate to avoid appearing too soft on migration.

But Leave’s focus on immigration has been relentless, plumbing new depths last Thursday with the release of a UKIP campaign poster that many compared to Nazi propaganda.

In a terrible coincidence, the launch of this poster — clearly designed to whip up xenophobic hatred — came only a few hours before the brutal killing of Labour MP and Remain supporter Jo Cox. Many commentators have connected the murder to the divisive, anti-immigrant, and nationalist tenor of recent British political discourse. The suspect has links with the far right, and gave his name in court as “death to traitors, freedom for Britain.”

These are dark times in British politics.

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There is in me an anarchy and frightful disorder. Creating makes me die a thousand deaths, because it means making order, and my entire being rebels against order. But without it I would die, scattered to the winds.

-- Albert Camus

and that organizations representing wage earners are not. I thought that the UK leaving the EU would be a positive step in labor getting into the international act. I am willing to accept that I am wrong. If the workers of the UK can't get together, it's hard to imagine the next step to solidarity in that absence.

That the immigration crisis is in large part due to US and NATO military policies at the behest of international capital does not pardon the xenophobic reaction of the populace. I appreciate the quotations you have provided.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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are not substitutes for valid arguments.

Brexit wasn't primarily driven by left/right divides, nor youth/aged divides, nor immigrant/nativist divides. The real battle was between the winners and losers of England's post Thatcherite economy.

Brexit won in districts where voters were less educated, less employed, and had less income.

These are the people hit hardest by neoliberal austerity policies and they voted overwhelmingly for something different, if not better. Because these folks know that under the current system life will NEVER get better. On the contrary, it is sure to get worse for more and more Brits.

Of course, where there is economic exploitation and deprivation there are always opportunists ready with nativist arguments. But this is a consequence - not the cause of the discontent.

If you don't like racism and xenophobia, you would do better arguing for a more just economic system, rather than using their desperate reactions as a cudgel to promote the status quo.

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This will be my last response here.

If you don't like racism and xenophobia, you would do better arguing for a more just economic system, rather than using their desperate reactions as a cudgel to promote the status quo.

I see this kind of quick leap to accuse or condemn here all too often. I wrote what I wrote not as any kind of promotion of the status quo, which I abhor. I wrote it to discuss the forces behind it, and the serious mistake some are making believing this will cure all ills. And from what we're learning today, hundreds of thousands of Brits are waking up and feeling quite a case of "buyers remorse," and are telling people this. We've also learned today that Google searches for the EU skyrocketed after the vote. Especially regarding how the EU impacts Britain, its laws, its rules and so on. Apparently, many didn't even know that Brussels doesn't control British economics, that its own government imposed austerity, not the EU, and that the right-wing government in place now will remain in place, as will austerity and neoliberalism.

Beyond that, as for the part in bold: I actually do advocate for a far more just system, one with social justice baked in. I'm an egalitarian anticapitalist, a libertarian socialist. I advocate for real socialism, with full public ownership of the means of production, an equal say for all, everyone a co-owner, no bosses, no masters, no proxies, no political parties as proxies. Direct public ownership of the means of production, with full (participatory) democratic structures and rights in place. And I advocate for this to be along left-anarchist lines, as laid down by the visionaries of the Paris Commune of 1871 . . . Local, autonomous, cooperative, democratic, federated economies. As per voices like Elisee Reclus, Petyr Kropotkin and William Morris. And this is the third time in this thread now that I've said this.

I despise the capitalist system and want it gone -- 100% of it. I want it to be replaced by full participatory democracy, including the economy.

Peace to all. Best of luck in the future, everyone.

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-- Albert Camus

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I wrote what I wrote not as any kind of promotion of the status quo, which I abhor.

but I don't often see proof of it in your writings.

Instead you just repeatedly throw out a mishmash of arcane labels and obscure political thinkers without ever explaining the relevance to the issue at hand.

Or to put it another way: what the fuck does Petyr Kropotkin have to do with nativists voting for Brexit?

Frankly, I can't decide if you are just a confused, over-read neophyte or a clumsy plant intentionally trying to muddy the waters because you think we are all these hard core lefty crazies who get off on psuedo intellectual Commie claptrap. My guess is the latter.

Either way, it's YOUR assumptions that are really bad, not mine.

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I also vote for Brexit.

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First off, this is the first time I've seen your name on this forum, yet you write as if we've been having this long dialogue, and you know me, and you know where I really stand.

Obviously you don't have a clue. You couldn't misread my writings more wildly if someone paid you to do it. And today is the first time we've crossed paths.

And this?

Frankly, I can't decide if you are just a confused, over-read neophyte or a clumsy plant intentionally trying to muddy the waters because you think we are all these hard core lefty crazies who get off on psuedo intellectual Commie claptrap. My guess is the latter.

I don't write to please an audience here. I don't tailor it to suit that audience. Which should be pretty obvious, given the intolerant reactions, snap judgments, insults and insinuations that followed this essay. As for "muddying the waters." Look, bud, you came here to comment on MY essay. It's YOU muddying the waters. It not your fucking water to begin with. It's my fucking water, at least for this essay, and you decided to do everything but engage in an honest adult conversation. Instead, you chose to load up on paranoid fantasies of ringers and such, as if you were some stupid little teenager, listening to Alex Jones on the radio.

And, no, it's not "commie claptrap." It's the kind of "system" I'd love to see us reach some day, knowing it's not all that likely, but also knowing that the journey there, getting as close to it as we can, is worth it. For humankind and the planet. It's worth the trip. But another big reason to bring it up is to contrast that horizon with the "status quo." I've never supported that, and never will.

But you go ahead and remain in your Alex Jones, self-righteous fog of paranoia and snap judgments. Never give a poster the benefit of the doubt and always imagine the worst. That will show the rest of us.

;>)

Man, I feel sorry for you and everyone like you.

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-- Albert Camus

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that's a little box you've been placed in, because boxes that represent concepts--or even people like "Alex Jones"--which sit far, far below the saintly intellect of the OC.

I'm sure it's much easier to keep track of you that way. Or something.

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'how awful those in Britain who voted to leave the EU are' are just as bad as the people over at KOS who despise and insult Sanders supporters.

The hypocrisy exhibited by these people shouldn't be surprising, but it is definitely amusing.

Gonna need more popcorn!

posted from another Brexit dairy.

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As for "muddying the waters." Look, bud, you came here to comment on MY essay. It's YOU muddying the waters. It not your fucking water to begin with. It's my fucking water, at least for this essay - Diomedes77

Looks like somebody wanted a safe space and didn't get it. LOL

The water is pretty rancid actually. Brackish. Flies and mosquitos hovering. Obviously a bad taste and potential poisoning if anyone drank it. But we can agree, it's 'your fucking water'.

It's great we can agree on something. Common ground.

The hypocrisy is still astounding!

Never give a poster the benefit of the doubt and always imagine the worst. - Diomedes77

The same way you never gave those voters the benefit of the doubt classifying them all as Xenophobic and Racist. But it's bad when someone disagrees with you in your little pond…

Cry me a river…
- that was unintentionally punny

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