BBC World News: Jeffrey Epstein dead at 66

At this hour (0900 MDT Sat Aug 10 2019), BBC World News is reporting that Jeffrey Epstein has been found dead in his New York jail cell.

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detroitmechworks's picture

And there were never any photographs of Epstein with anybody and anybody who says differently is a lying conspiracy theorist.

Gotta get that in before the Media does. I'm calling dibs on it, and they owe me a Nickel every time they say it. I expect to be rich. Smile

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@detroitmechworks

Gotta get that in before the Media does. I'm calling dibs on it, and they owe me a Nickel every time they say it. I expect to be rich.

Now you see why I had to post this one sentence "essay".

With the likes of gjohnsit, snoopydawg, joe shikspack etc. around here, one doesn't get the opportunity to "scoop" c99 very often!

Wink

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@detroitmechworks

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Is anyone surprised?
I was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one hand, why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just to produce a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple of hours and produce anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence in court will be zero. The mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends.
You, Mr. Epstein, were a loose end.

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@WoodsDweller
Any remaining loose ends will just be ignored in future "reporting."

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@WoodsDweller

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@dervish

A couple of bets.
@on the cusp

Ghislaine Maxwell has taken a red eye on the Lolita Express to Israel.

Epstein has no money. None of "his" property was owned by him.

Honey Pot soon gins up some place else.

https://caucus99percent.com/comment/435693#comment-435693

Sounds plausible to me, even though I find her more repulsive than Epstein.

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Somebody needs to lose their job over this...or confess they were paid by the Russian mafia to protect Trump

Of course they say this with a straight face and it gets lots of recs, but if anyone blames the Clintons for it?

In the real world, sure. But not in the world of QAnon… watch, they’ll blame her, Obama, Pelosi, and maybe AOC for it by next week. Sick bastards.

lol...that site has been nothing but a conspiracy theory since Her lost the election.

Don’t spout conspiracy theories. I just read a whole bag of them from RWNJ, and as a big surprise, they all pointed the fingers to the Clintons. (*groan*)

As detroit mentioned in the other Epstein essay here, you are constantly watched while on suicide watch and put in cells that remove the possibility of a hanging so how the hell did he do that?
This was the first thing I read this morning and I just laughed because I had written mere hours before that the chances of him making it to trial was slim. Of course he killed himself.

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detroitmechworks's picture

@snoopydawg Have they decided that because he was such a staunch supporter of Israel any further investigation is clearly anti-semitic in nature?

I'm willing to lay money on that one coming out.

Funny how fast "RWNJ"'s have a complete conspiracy theory all set up and ready to go! Actually they didn't. They just have a term for how this always just mysteriously seems to happen for the Clinton's Benefit. They Call it Arkancide... Symptoms include being a political enemy or "traitor" to the Clintons. So, every time something happens that fits the pattern... It's of course a conspiracy theory to mention that it happened.

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@detroitmechworks

Epstein's critics to be called anti-Semitic.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
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@detroitmechworks "They say you should only speak good of the dead. (s)He's dead. Good."

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They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
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@snoopydawg

Breaking news?

Wasn't it the announcement of the BIG NAMES revealed in the investigation?

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@Pluto's Republic

see my essay below today's open thread

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@snoopydawg @snoopydawg

I wonder if the Russian trolls are spreading the story Congress should look into that as well as Facebook

Before Russia Gate's pysops happened the minute people heard that Epstein was dead they would either blame the Clintons for it because of how many times Bill flew on the plane (25-26) or if it never happened they would be blaming Trump because of all the pictures of him and Epstein even though there are just as many of the Clintons with him. But now it's Barr too because he didn't recuse himself even thought there are lots of ties to his father and Epstein and Barr's law firm.....

Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.

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@snoopydawg Because as long as there's a steady paycheck and immunity involved, I'll tell them whatever they want to hear about how Vlad, Oh sorry, that's just our little personal thing, President Putin... ahem, paid me personally to suggest that the paragon of virtue and goodness, her royal worshipfulness, and the sole hope of humanities future... might possibly have said something along the lines of...

"Will no one rid me of this foul pimp?"

Or something to that effect.

And random music because they seem to love their conspiracies, and this one might cause them to crap their pants a little if they think about the implications. Blum 3

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@snoopydawg

Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.

Umm, Russia's about 900 years older than this country (USA) is.....

Or did you mean before RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA!!!11!!!! came into existence? That's different, of course! Wink

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@snoopydawg

are people.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-soci...

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

what a world.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

When they placed him on suicide watch they meant they were going to watch him “suicide”. Yeah...that’s the ticket!

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@Dr. John Carpenter

Just a week ago Epstein was either attacked in his cell which he claimed or he attempted to harm himself. I thought I had read that his lawyers were upset that he hadn't been in protective segregation before because of how high profile he was and that they were insisting on it now.

Lots of high profile people were given immunity in 2006 when the first deal was made and the files released yesterday were from a case that has been settled so this might mean the end of any consequences for the people who were named who were probably sweating bullets yesterday when the files were release and breathing a sigh of relief this morning and thanking the Dawg above.

I am very proud of the people here who were more concerned about the victims of Epstein and his pals then they were of scoring points and tying it more to Clinton or Trump. Enough people knew what he and his pals had done and yet they said nothing about it. Trump was the only one who did talk to the authorities about this way back when. Others pulled a Sgt. Schultz.

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@snoopydawg

or Republican problem.

They were an oligarch problem.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Epstein's activities were not a Democratic or Republican problem.

They were an oligarch problem.

Which is why Jeffrey Epstein is now dead. And it's why I have no doubt whatsoever that he really is, in fact, dead.

His death is far too convenient for far too many of the PTB for it not to be true.

Bad

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with a candlestick in the ballroom.

Obvious really.

(Edited)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

They always manage to get away with it, don’t they?

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Pluto's Republic's picture

@Sirena

This make extradition to the US significantly more difficult for political prisoners.

My dog is upside down because I know Assange will be murdered if he is extradited to the US. Perhaps the rest of the world will begin to act accordingly with respect to their extradition treaties.

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@Pluto's Republic @Pluto's Republic
wouldn’t it?

But I doubt it’s likely to deter them in the least.

They win.

They always damn well win.

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@Sirena

"Epstein's suicide," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment."

With many high-powered men—including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz—implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories about his demise.

Worth a full read

No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?

Yes in the end THEY always win.

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@snoopydawg Nothing to see here...

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Maybe he was sprung?
Although I don’t really know why anyone would want that unless of course a bargain was made and there was an ‘insurance file’?

41DE5BC9-FE24-4AEE-B23A-79BC9DE3AF44.jpeg @snoopydawg

5FFCEB28-FE89-4454-A0CD-F63F089AEC29.jpeg

And some think that shot of the gurney also looks a little too short.

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Q follower, ex navy guy.
@Sirena

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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@k9disc
If so, where? I haven't checked 8chan in a week or so.

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@Deja

Interesting that I can't re-post these two most recent Q quotes

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Alligator Ed's picture

@Alligator Ed Hey, JtC, what's going on here? Anti-Q bias? Software glitch--kinda like 8 chan going down?

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@Alligator Ed

Foiled again.

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@Alligator Ed
I can copy it, and paste it, but nada in the preview test. Maybe I should paste it into the link button, unlike other links you can just paste in the comment text box?

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I chocked it up to not using the image upload feature, even though it's an actual link. Even on my desktop, uploading images is painfully slow to the point of my thinking everything locked up (crashed), so I just link. And not the actual upload speed, but the upload function "button", and the "browse" button to actually execute. Kudos to those who are so patient to upload images!

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@k9disc
Maybe we can compare some more shots.

If he is in witness protection program, how would we ever know?
Would he reappear to testify? How does this work?

What doesn’t make sense if that after being found ‘unconscious and in the fetal position’ that he wasn’t placed on suicidal watch, unless of course it never was that as he supposedly claimed.

After last nights trove of released docs, naming names, this actually makes more sense.

If someone cared about the risk to his life or should I say testimony.

Out of curiosity, I’ve checked Q too, but nothing since Chan’s went down.

Do you believe in Coincidence?

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of the document dump? Looked weird, but I didn't put too much thought into it.

And I'm NOT saying he's in WP, but it is interesting. It's a bit more likely than him being taken off suicide watch then accidentally ignored while there was a camera malfunction.

@Sirena

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@k9disc
He copted a deal.

If so, we will never know and he’s not ever coming back.

CT’s of course, but that’s what ‘they’ left us with after proclaiming the defendant dead.

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@k9disc are supposed to be under direct observation by either prison personnel or a delegated inmate:

DOJ suicide prevention programs

I posted excerpts today in my latest foray into the swamp:
https://caucus99percent.com/content/jeffrey-epstein-exits-stage-left

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@Sirena Look at the nose; completely different.

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@snoopydawg

becomes a "conspiracy theory."

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

@snoopydawg who's been running things while hiding in plain sight behind Epstein. She received immunity as a witness, but could still be charged if the plea deal was found to be improper or she lied under oath. Bet she did. The question is now, will the Feds even go there? Bet they won't.

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@leveymg

by the same powers that protected Epstein during the first trial. 40 under aged girls accused them of making them perform for their high up friends and Epstein was only charged for prostitution with a 17 year old girl while Ghislaine got off with no charges.

The files that were just released are from 2015 when Ghislaine and Virginia Guiffre settled the case between them. There are more than one investigations into the plea deal IIRC. The federal one that will look at what Acosta did and one in Florida. I think SDNY is involved in one too and it will be interesting to see if any of them go forward now that he's dead. I just find the timing a bit too convenient. First off why was he arrested out of the blue a few months ago? He had to know that everything was being looked at again and yet he just flies back into the country without a care in the world? Then we hear about the sealed files being released after being told a few weeks ago that they wouldn't be? Strange.. and today he's dead. I literally LOL this morning when I saw this. I just said, "of course he is."

Oh well. Webb's next report comes out next week and she has ties to Clinton in it. I'll post it when it does.

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@snoopydawg she still hasn't even been arrested tells me, too, that the same people are still running things. No matter how powerful they are, this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole operation under wraps. It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness is over. Odds are, she's also facing termination.

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@leveymg

I have no doubt about that. There has long been talk about child sex trafficking, but it really flared up during the last election, but it was tied to Hillary and called PedoGate. Then lots of celebrities committed suicide out of the blue by hanging themselves with something tied to doorknobs. The chef was one of them. Anthony Bourdain?

See the links I posted below and they pretty much agree with what you said. I just read them and I really don't know what to think. But after the Haiti earthquake a woman tried to remove 30 children who she said were orphans, but many were not. She was arrested and the Clintons got her an attorney. This was in 2010.

This crap has been going on for decades. I've posted Whitney Webb's essays if you're interested in seeing what she has written. Ghislaine might really be in Israel right now. I've seen this on more than this site.

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
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@snoopydawg @snoopydawg a good researcher. She's facing the same limitations in the public record all of us are. I wonder what an experienced reporter at the NYT or WSJ might be able to turn up if the editors weren't taking a "I don't want to go there and really don't want to know" attitude toward this story. By virtually ignoring it for so long, if they actually dug anything up now, it would only make their previous inactivity more obvious. Everybody, including the FBI, has the same incentive to just continue to pretend there's nothing else to see.

Plus, the Feds obviously haven't been completely ignorant of this, but have a stake in protecting their own information gathering operations that have been watching the other watchers, domestic and foreign, for decades. This is one of the largest and most "productive" cooperative international, interagency surveillance and entrapment operations ever.

Nobody wants to be responsible for finally shutting it down and mopping up the mess left behind. That cleanup is just starting and it will be a huge job that nobody is really prepared to carry out. Very messy, and a sure career killer for anyone who touches it.

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@leveymg 'cause she's gonna practice her first and last high dive that her papa did, courtesy of the Mossad coaches he had on board.

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@Alligator Ed not surprise me one bit if Ghislaine Maxwell meets a similar fate at the same hands as her late father. If you threaten to expose your handlers, even reluctantly, even after many decades of providing valuable service, operational security trumps loyalty. Everyone is expendible, even the Former Prime Minister and Army Chief of Staff, Ehud Barak, who was tied up in this.

Surprising, really, that Barak would get anywhere near Epstein and Maxwell, particularly in recent years. Barak had even gone into business with Epstein, and was photographed leaving his Manhattan townhouse last winter.

Like a lot of people, the former PM treated Epstein as if he was fully protected and untouchable by U.S. authorities. That may have been Epstein's undoing.

The Epstein-Barak relationship is very strange, but Israeli politics, business and intelligence often operates together at cross purposes as if it is outside the reach of any external accountability.

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@snoopydawg

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@Sirena

That would be making a silk purse from a pigs ear wouldn’t it? But I doubt it’s likely to deter them in the least.

Your enemy is the thoroughly corrupt US government.

The people have surrendered their power to the State long ago. The State can only be challenged by a coalition of other States. The way that people rescue themselves is by immigration. Just the way you got here. Sensible and sensitive people are leaving. There is always a way to do this, with and without assets, if you truly object to living in a pig's ear.

Only one thing that matters is true. It will be a pig's ear and then an economic disaster for a very long time to come. No one should want to live through that. Run as fast as you can.

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@Pluto's Republic They don't pretend to be anything except what they are. Here is a picture of one of Alligator University's resident pig consultant, sparing his life because he spews useful information from either end.

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@Alligator Ed

Cute ears.

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@Sirena

that used to keep witches who were willing to deal in curses and poisons in funds.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

Helped hoist him on his own petard.

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To prevent the deep creeps from having their dirty laundry exposed?
Soon as he was jailed, it was pretty obvious he would not be allowed to testify.
Like Julian, the truth is no more acceptable than the facts.

Welcome to the fascist criminal enterprise system.
Brush up against a biggie and your future is gone.

Pheew. Stinks.

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Listen to your higher mind.

Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.

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@on the cusp Clearly he was not on suicide watch because he was not suicidal and the previous suicide attempt was a murder attempt by a Trump supporter trying to prevent the cover up...

I just find it funny that a lot of people on all sides of the aisle are very happy at this turn of events, because it will soon come out that all the allegations were all the fault of an UNJUSTLY persecuted donor who we need to respect and honor... (IOW, they'll whitewash what they can't sweep under the rug, and all his money will stay exactly where it is.)

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@detroitmechworks

I'm not claiming it's an established fact. But I suppose he was, and my supposition is not without logical foundation. Could it be wrong? Yeah. But I'd have to see the evidence of that.

As with 9/11, the tell will be how the establishment responds to this event. If it's a simple suicide, then information will come out about his activities post-mortem, if not in court, then in the press. If it's a murder to cover up others' involvement, there will likely be little or nothing released and we will be moved along to other things.

As for "a Trump supporter," I have no idea "which side" took out a hit on him. It could have been done by any regular passenger on his jet. They were all wealthy and powerful, yes? Epstein didn't seem like the kind of guy to slum it by bringing 99%-ers on the Lolita Express.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Honestly, I have no idea which rich scumbag wanted to keep his face off the news.

I of course suspect the usual suspects, because when all the cookies are missing you look at the fat kid with the cookie stained t-shirt.

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@on the cusp Link: https://nypost.com/2019/07/25/jeffrey-epstein-on-suicide-watch-after-hes...

Of course, this was before he killed himself.

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@Steven D at the same time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide".
At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he had to save his hide turned out to have zero value.

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@on the cusp They'll claim Deepfake and prosecute anybody who displays knowledge of it because it's child pornography.

We're faced with the horrible situation of the evidence being a crime to possess or see.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks On the other hand, failing to disclose evidence because it is child porn is an admission that it is child porn.

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@detroitmechworks

He 'helped' with all those investigations over the years.

Just stretch it out until it falls down the memory hole.

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@Pluto's Republic

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@on the cusp
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time, those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it and pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think he was smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.

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@Deja My point was that if, for example, Mossad had paid for him to engage in the blackmail scheme, he could have used that against them. What other security did he have for all these years?

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@Deja in far less of a credible blackmail position when he was taken behind bars. A few phone calls by the would-be blackmailees, and the blackmail problem is solved. Possibly this happened here, who knows.

Esquire is reporting that a few days before his death he was taken off suicide watch. Which makes his sudden demise even more curious.

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@wokkamile
But never fear, Barr is having the IG look into it.

Good lawd!

I read elsewhere of people not believing that he's really dead; so someone posted pics of him being wheeled into the hospital. Do people's hands and lower arms turn jaundice yellow after death by hanging? The apparent bruising or dark areas at left temple region and left ear could be explained away, I suppose, but yellow hands and arms, in complete contrast to color of stomach and face seems odd to me.

In case anyone else is interested, here are the 2 images originally published by the New York Post. I can't post a link to imagur on this site that works for some reason so here's a link to the reddit thread I found them on. Click the imagur link to zoom in. I couldn't zoom on the nypost link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anoneumou5e/comments/coizj0/comment/ewih0ng

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@Deja

of his head and especially the earlobe where he has an interesting ear thingy.

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Why would this picture have been allowed to be taken and released? Almost like someone is working hard to make sure people think he's really dead.

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@snoopydawg
Also, I stumbled across a Twitter feed where ppl were saying that the head is a whole lot larger than the heads of the medics and the unmarked guard guy.

Others think it's not him, but a lookalike actor because his eyes are closed and hands in the position they're in. I just wonder why the hands are yellow.

Lots of people not believing it's even him, let alone that he's really dead.

Has Q resurfaced since 8chan was censored? I'd be curious to know what he has to say about all of this.

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@on the cusp
because they had to say that in order to explain how he was able to commit suicide.
But...now he’s suicidal, now he’s not?

Can’t have it both ways.

Sounds like they are trying to pull rabbits out of a hat.

Now you see it, now you don’t.

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@on the cusp

he was murdered killed himself.

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@on the cusp It has exclusive bathing beaches and basks in warm weather year round. You might find the other tenants to be a bit testy at times, however.

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@Alligator Ed Epstein was not on suicide watch.

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Back when Epstein was arrested, I wondered why NOW? I know the Miami Herald was investigating the case for some time, victims were pursing justice in civil court, and the "me too" movement was now on the radar, but.....I've learned over time that in politics, one can't always trust their own eyes.

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Too many Very Important asses hanging out, all of them with connections to entities that have been known to "take care of problems" for them.

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@TheOtherMaven

Didn't she commit suicide too and her little black book was never found? Oh yeah the VIA will protect themselves at all costs.

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a few years. Doesn't make sense.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Jeane_Palfrey

Heidi Fleiss is still alive and well and, apparently, taking care of birds.

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@snoopydawg

had gotten really bad.

Watch out when they go after jesters and madams.

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@snoopydawg Please explain your obscure reference. I concocted an opinion as to what this means. Do you concur?

VIA = Very Important Assholes

Or did you mean any of the following

Vehicle Internal Architecture
Vicenza Institute of Architecture (very close to my daughter's swamp in FL.)
Valencia Industrial Association
Versatile Integrated Avionics
Visual Immunoassay

or any of the dozen + other listed recognized acronyms.
Every poster should be cognizant that their favored acronyms are neither universally beloved or even recognized by many readers. The first time an acronym is used, outside of the widely understood ones, should be explained in full before assigning an acronym to them. I do not upvote any essay or comment which uses arcane, obscure, or indefinite acronyms. Your comment gets the same from me--no approval. Reveal your meaning and I might reconsider.

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@Alligator Ed

The Other Maven wrote Very Important Asses

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@snoopydawg but the explanation merely deflects from your usage of VIA to an unacronymized phrase by The Other Maven. So, no upvote yet.

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@TheOtherMaven
Just to make sure that I am reading it and understanding it in the right way.
And as there have been so many recs, I’m hesitant to respond because perhaps it’s me that’s not quite getting it. That I’m willing to concede..

But here’s my quandary.
If it was so blatantly obvious to everyone, that even cartoons were made of it beforehand and this was 100% predictable, why then was nothing done about it?

We all knew he was a dead man walking outside or inside so surely they must have known it too.

I’m just not getting nor believing any of these budget cuts, overtime, or the bs camera malfunctions.

If we knew it, they surely knew it too.

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@Sirena

But here’s my quandary.
If it was so blatantly obvious to everyone, that even cartoons were made of it beforehand and this was 100% predictable, why then was nothing done about it?

Because it's in the interests of a whole lot of really uber-rich and hyper-powerful people that Jeffrey Epstein be stone dead.

Either he was left with the means to kill himself and did so, or he was murdered. But you can rely on his being dead, unless someone provides direct, good-quality evidence to the contrary.

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@snoopydawg what if it was Aliens?

Hear me out! It would be JUST LIKE ALIENS! You know, framing completely innocent humans for multilevel blackmail schemes involving secret alien hybrids! I mean, nobody would believe that suicides linked to a powerful human would be actually coincidence, and thus they'd naturally suspect the most good and pure among them, ensuring that when the Trump Doppleganger clone finishes the preparations for selling us all into the intergalactic slave market they wouldn't resist, instead believing that their best chance was actually evil!

Replace Jesus and Israel for the pertinent bits, and you'll have something close to what the conspiracy theory we're supposed to be believing in is... I think.

/snark

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@detroitmechworks

The aliens are just framing the Russians right to take the blame on this? Yeah, I have long thought that little grey aliens were laughing their little grey butts off at the foolishness of humans.

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@snoopydawg

the US. And more than once.

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@snoopydawg

When did that happen?

As someone who remembers the Cold War, I don't recall that ever being part of the propaganda.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

white supremacist and supporting Nazis. Never mind that Nazis killed some of Putin's family and 27 million Russians. The Russia phobia is out of control in the people who buy into Russia Gate. Every thing that goes wrong in this country is because Putin is trying to tear it down. Did you see Harris tried to blame Kaepernick kneeling on Russia?

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@snoopydawg of the Nazis in WW2 is 20 million soldiers and 30 million civilians. This does not include the 20 million starved by Stalin pre-war in his version of ethnic cleansing.

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@snoopydawg with 'Fascism'. Makes no sense. Other than at the extremes both are capable of horrific behavior.

Thanks for the Webb reports. I've followed the links and read them. What interests me is that having read 'The Devil's Chessboard' by David Talbot, all this picks right up from the last part of his book. Many of the same players, some still stirring the sauce today.

NPR or BBC during our night time interviewed a rep from Florida or some place where Epstein had a smaller compound/house. She was saying almost all the things being said here. Her lede was "Is this a surprise?" People are speculating out loud. This happened too quickly and to blatantly. Sloppy.

She indicated the lawsuits should somehow go foreward. Asked who she would trust to carry out further investigations, she struggled to name any agency or person.

It was Lois Frankel D-Florida. Here is a YT of an earlier MSNBC interview with her on Epstein. Apparently the Women's Caucus have been following this case for awhile and asking questions.

Ah - found a transcript. It was NPR.
Lois Frankel on Epstein

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@snoopydawg

It's amazing that someone who was relying on black people voting for her would say something like that. Complete arrogance.

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Deja's picture

Maybe someone who Tweets (snoopy?) can go get the actual tweet of Slick Willie asking how many more people have to die (gun reform) and someone replied with a pic of Slick and Epstein. I found it on Reddit r/conspiracy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/coikgn/looks_like_someone_a...

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Whatever you say, mac.

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Gaslight Nation: A History of Reality Management in the 21st Century

Shit is bizarre, right now, and we're being told it's normal. On nearly all fronts.

I can't help but see it as national gaslighting. What are we supposed to make of this as a people? Our collective consciousness is completely fractured - and it has been done deliberately - we're being challenged on what reality even is, at multiple levels at once.

Man, do I wish I had cookie crumbs to all the important pieces I've read over the years... This Suskind piece is one that I often recall, special thanks to c99p for the push to return to it:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/faith-certainty-and-the-pres...

That's life in America. The reality of Jeffrey Epstein, child trafficker to the Masters of the Universe, will be whatever they say it is. And if you don't like it, you're a Russian Troll trafficking in Conspiracy Theories.

Deep fakes were an inoculation or vaccine for any Epstein cooties that might escape his untimely "suicide". And I'm quite tempted to write Arkancide, but that would make me a Russian Troll.

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@k9disc @k9disc @k9disc
There are, we presume a lot, maybe hundreds, of wealthy and powerful people who were facing exposure in the Epstein affair. Singling out the Clintons because you have a particular hate-on for them is itself not reality-based, it's just promoting the people whom you most want to have been responsible to the top of the list, and then crossing out the rest of the list.

Mind you, despite being normally very skeptical about the CT-du-jour, I think in this case the most likely truth is indeed that someone had JE removed from the scene. Among other outcomes, I'm guessing that there are some dozens of 20-something and 30-something women out there who suddenly sense that their own continued breath-drawing is precarious and is possibly conditional on certain choices they might make.

In any case, it hardly matters -- we will never know who gave the order, if such an order was in fact given, so there's no real point in fervently speculating. About all we can do is push for a full investigation, the absence of a defendant notwithstanding. I note that [EDIT, i typed the wrong name] Ms. Giuffre is suing Dershowitz for defamation. Dershowitz is an arrogant, merciless, meanspirited motherfucker, and a very successful trial lawyer, but discovery is as discovery does. It will be interesting to see what comes out of all this. I find it interesting that both Mitchell and Richardson deny having ever met Giuffre -- as if she would have ever even heard of either of them, had they not. I don't know what Dershowitz has said, but whatever it is I presume it's a lie. The notion that she would have somehow come up with such a random hodgepodge of individuals (Pritzker and Prince Andrew etc) without ever having interacted with them is not credible.

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@gulfgal98 He got a sweetheart deal once before. Why would he or anybody else think he couldn't get another one?
If he was not on suicide watch, the earlier "attempt" was attempted murder. He was provided a cell to himself to protect him from other prisoners.
He was not afforded suicide watch protection.

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@on the cusp

Ghislaine Maxwell has taken a red eye on the Lolita Express to Israel.

Epstein has no money. None of "his" property was owned by him.

Honey Pot soon gins up some place else.

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@davidgmillsatty the Honey Pot hasn't missed a beat. It is already ginned up!
I just read on Huffpo that the earlier suicide attempt is now reported as "either" a suicide attempt or an assault.
Up until this afternoon, it was attempted suicide throughout the media.
Interesting.

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@on the cusp

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@HenryAWallace unconscious with marks on his neck, all the news reports were that it was attempted suicide. Now, as of today, they report that incident might have been an assault or attempted murder.
Hope that explains what I meant to say.

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@on the cusp By the time the intended act produced unconsciousness, the person's hands lose their grip on the neck. Unconsciousness without death, reversible, with possibly a little (very little) brain damage.

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@Alligator Ed at the time of the first injury. It takes at least a perp and victim for attempted assault.

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@Alligator Ed

attempted suicide, then?

And, after you believe that someone attempted suicide, how do you (meaning the authorities) take him off suicide watch?

Did he suddenly seem much more cheerful? /.s

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@on the cusp

"attempted" murder is the bit I don't understand.

Epstein is dead. If someone other Epstein caused that result, wouldn't that make it murder, not merely attempted murder?

On edit. On re-reading your post, they are now referring to the first incident, not the most recent event, as either attempted suicide or attempted murder. Now I get it. Thank you for elaborating.

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@on the cusp It is so hard to stay current. My bad.

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@davidgmillsatty Once it becomes known that Epstein has no money and no estate to speak of, then all of the civil suits will go nowhere, because there will be no way to finance the civil suits and no hope of Plaintiff lawyers being paid (which is how they finance the cases).

Bunch of Plaintiff lawyers saying "Oh Shit."

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@davidgmillsatty Never sue a person for monetary damages that has no assets.
I will be anxiously awaiting the probate proceedings. Wonder which relative will identify and claim the body?
And surely, surely, the man had a Will.

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@on the cusp I was a personal injury attorney for 35 years. All I did for essentially my whole career except for a few odd cases here and there.

This reminds me of JP Morgan whom everyone believed was outrageously wealthy. When he died he didn't have a tenth of what people thought. And in Epstein's case, if he had money, it would not be onshore. Good luck finding what he had if he had any which I doubt.

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@davidgmillsatty But, among other odds and ends, I do probate work. I wonder if he owed anybody? Any creditor could open up an administration of his estate and go on a hunt for money.
But the civil suits will be fini if it turns out his financials do not support his persona.

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@on the cusp To run this kind of a honey pot operation all you have to do is appear to be who you are. How he made his billions seems to be a real mystery, the assumption being it was from a criminal enterprise of some sort. So I feel sure the wealth persona was a sham.

And having no assests just shuts down any civil suits that would have been taken on a contingency. And of course he can not be compelled to testify now. All by design.

So all the evidence he had for blackmail on all of these powerful people is still in the hands of his handlers and these powerful people are still subject to blackmail and under the control of those with the evidence.

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@davidgmillsatty The video is by Dr. Steve Pieczenik, a psychiatrist and a member of US intelligence for decades. He is Jewish. He knows the Mossad well and how they operate. Here is his take on what happened. Not for the faint hearted. If the mods decide to take it down, I fully understand that decision.

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@davidgmillsatty He's a trained shrink and involved in intelligence for forty plus years. He helped develop programs of interrogation (not water-boarding, which is both crude and unreliable). This means, he has personally interrogated subjects. That he was largely successful at this must be inferred from his lengthy intelligence career.

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@Alligator Ed
Knowledge without wisdom is dangerous. Knowledge without sanity is catastrophic.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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@UntimelyRippd Of course, I won't give you proper credit for this--or did you appropriate this yourself? Very good in any case.

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@Alligator Ed
Though I'm watching Wu Assassins at the moment, so maybe I was channeling that sort of Confucian simplicity.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@davidgmillsatty the more they stay the same.
I guess it is possible to pursue it against his estate, although a little pre-trial discovery is sure to show he had nothing.
I usually do certain property searches that are of public record, and if I can't find anything that can be forfeited to pay the judgment, I decline to go forward.
In all likelihood, it is all over, case closed, and yes, the handlers still have the info.
The only positive I can come up with is that the victims can sue Bill Richardson, Dershowitz, etc...and Epstein will not be around to deny, deny, deny.

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@on the cusp That might actually work to their benefit. Epstein would presumably support their positions, but if he was thoroughly cross-examined and demolished, it could hurt them even more. The old addage is that you win cases on cross-exam. And on cross-exam if he had not held up, they would have been implicated by one of their own.

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@gulfgal98

I posted this not long after Epstein was arrested.

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How many stories are now going to not be talked about while the media talks about this for as long as they need to? It sure seems like every time something big happens here something else comes along and knocks it off the news.

CTSM has a great point. Watch how the media covers the part of story that is about the names dump that just happened and the fact that lots of people knew about Epstein's sex trafficking and yet did nothing.

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malfunction where Epstein was locked up. I can't tell if the claims are credible.

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@HenryAWallace
Some guy on a Twitter feed said there would be a video released and replies stated there was a malfunction. Another convenient coincidence.

Like dueling banjos, #ClintonBodyCount -vs- #TrumpBodyCount arguments are taking place on Reddit. Some claim the "trending" algorithm is skewed based on one's political leanings in their user history. Folks are arguing over who is the bigger pedo -- Bill or Donald. It's a shitfest. Same shit, different day. Red -vs- Blue. Both are evil scumbags, but most only see one side as evil while their side is pure as the driven snow.

"Trump put Barr in charge so he could off Epstein and protect himself because Trump partied with the guy."

"Bill flew 27 times and ditched his security detail, so he had to protect himself. Bill offed him."

"You don't care about victims, just protecting [insert creeper of choice]."

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k9disc's picture

People who want this to go away or pin it on the bogeyman on the other side of the aisle, are missing a REALLY big point.

All those markers are STILL there. The evil trafficking scheme and the people who run it are most likely still in place and they still have the goods on global leadership.

Epstein was the help, not the evil genius. Our politicians - even the bogeymen are the help, not the bosses.

@Deja

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@HenryAWallace

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
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@HenryAWallace
because don’t the cameras always just always happen to malfunction when most needed?
Sandra Bland f’instance.
Woke up in the morning and she was dead.
Have no idea what happened, cus cameras were down, but she was clearly suicidal, on her way to a new job.

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@Sirena
He wasn't just suicided, provided he's actually dead; he was Sandra Blanded. Of course, dickweed Epstein had every reason to have hastened his own death. Sandra had every reason to stick around, and she wasn't allowed.

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Alligator Ed's picture

@HenryAWallace that the Bureau of Prison mandates that inmates on suicide watch must be directly observed, not merely observed on a remotely-viewed camera.

Please consult : DOJ Suicide watch protocol, printed with comment in my essay

https://caucus99percent.com/content/jeffrey-epstein-exits-stage-left

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@Alligator Ed
that they weren’t sure the first time around whether it was a suicide attempt or perhaps that other inmate, who murdered four men and got caught w a cell phone?
Cameras not working then either?

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@Sirena

Scratch one-s head

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Cockroaches scurrying for the nearest hole.

God forbid anyone rich or powerful would ever be held accountable for anything.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Things almost always turn out just fine and dandy for the 1%.

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Trump conspired with Hillary to let the Israelis whisk Epstein away to another private island where he'll continue his honeypot operation while doing jello shots off 12 year old nubiles.

Same as it ever was....

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@Not Henry Kissinger

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to an unnamed U.S. Destroyer to bury him at sea with Osama bin Laden.

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Here are two articles on Epstein's death that are either conspiracy theories or not..

Epstein Gate 1

Lots of links in it.

Epstein Gate 2

Epstein Gate is connected to PedoGate

This talks about why he was arrested in the first place too, but it comes with a different motive. The attempted suicide a few weeks ago was just a psyops to get people to accept that he kills himself.

They make as much sense as anything else I've read about him. My burning question is why was he arrested in the first place after all this time? Epstein Gate 1 thinks it was to put pressure on Trump.

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@gjohnsit

As if Bernie had time for hatred.

That's pure projection from a hideous professional hater.

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@Pluto's Republic

Bernie's hatred?

As if Bernie had time for hatred.

That's pure projection from a professional hater.

Not even.

It's merely a kludge in the setup for a joke.

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@thanatokephaloides

...for those reading this serious thread.

Just a pointless, mindless comment here, quoting a complete scum on Twitter, and trying to make a joke.

Thanks for the head's-up.

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@Pluto's Republic
Or it's just groupies who upvote because it was posted by a particular person.

I'm guessing it's the latter. Reminds me of Vote Blue No Matter Who! Go figure . . .

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@Deja

For years he has ignored complaints that the charts he posts are generally too tiny to read. It's insulting. He's either totally helpless or he doesn't have enough respect for Readers to find and post readable charts.

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@Deja

How many operatives would it take to upvote something like that so it made a stink?

Of course, that's assuming Twitter doesn't have a way to inflate the numbers directly.

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@Pluto's Republic

that indicates Bernie Sanders is a pedophile?

This is why Twitter is the devil's asshole.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
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in post-war history also (cough) committed suicide in Stammheim, the “most secure prison block in the world” . . .

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Stammheim+suicide+Baader+Ensslin

http://www.baader-meinhof.com/death-night/

According to German authorities Andreas Baader, Gudrun Ensslin, and Jan-Carl Raspe all committed suicide in their Stammheim prison cells early on the morning of 18 October 1977. It is perhaps understandable that many Germans had trouble believing them. The Red Army Faction cell block had been described over the previous five years as the most secure prison block in the world. The press had been full of accounts of lawyers being searched for almost an hour before being allowed to visit their clients. So when it was announced that Baader and Raspe had shot themselves with two guns that they had smuggled into their cells, after listening to reports of the failed Mogadishu hijacking on smuggled radios, and communicating with each other through an clever “phone” system utilizing unused electrical wires between the cells, many Germans were clearly incredulous, and remain so to this day. Indeed, it is an article of faith among German leftists that the were murdered by the state.

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This subject is still serious business in Germany. Quite recently the publisher of a semi-underground newsletter was fined over $1,000 for saying that Baader, Ensslin, and Raspe were murdered. Clearly the modern German state, with memories of their Nazi past in its head, does not like to be accused of murdering its own citizens.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain
A screenshot of the interesting post on 4chan supposedly posted before story hit the tubes, and could be an actual employee of the jail. Not sure how my link will show up, but hopefully it works.

Tribunal Report ⚖ (@TribunalReport) Tweeted:
This 4chan post was posted at 8:44 AM ET 10 minutes before the story broke to the public via @AaronKatersky on twitter at 8:53 AM. Post number: 222520257 on /pol/. Not lending any credence to this story but it was posted before anyone knew Epsten was dead. Decide for yourself. https://t.co/eW9fqXpcLL https://twitter.com/TribunalReport/status/1160193348256358400?s=17

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