Battle of the Hürtgen Forest: lessons learned from studying useless death on a personal scale.
Back to reality.
Begone, visions of sham impeachment. Begone, epic mounds of hypocrisy. Begone, purveyors of death, destruction, desolation.
Begone Social Justice Warriors, who only fight for the Politically Correct goal.
Begone, Snowflakes with their trigger-free zones of shelter from life.
Reality of human existence includes war. Men / women willing to extinguish life on an organized basis against a group of fellow beings. Deny it and you deny reality. War is real. It can only be arrested but never stopped for ever, nor entirely at best. Doubt me? Find then any period occurring within recorded history in which some nation, tribe, or cult was not warring against another. You won't. This is not to say that warfare is continuous everywhere at once. That never happens.
Why this essay? Saturated to my forehead in Impeachment / Orange Men, lying bastards parading as persons of honor when they are the vilest of villains, I thus looked at a slice of real life--real life as portrayed in a feature film. This film told the story of the battle of the Hürtgen Forest.
Concentrate your attention to the town of Schmidt, just kilometers from the Siegfried Line, with its dragons' teeth tank stoppers. Schmidt lies in a depression, ravine-like, through which runs the small Kall Valley and a river.
Looking west from the Kall Valley:
The town of Hürtgen itself was unimportant militarily but did provide a suitable location from which to manage operations in the northern portion of the HF. Pictured below is the locale for a temporary regimental HQ. Doesn't look much like a Hollywood set at the time.
The movie is "When Trumpets Fade", filmed in Hungary in 1998. That's just a few years after the Soviet Union collapsed. Collapsed without a fight. Collapsed because Bubba and Co. drained the financial guts of the Soviet while Keeping Boris Yeltsin happy.
Yours truly has watched literally hundreds of factual war movies, mainly WW2, but covering lots of human combat, ranging from the first battle of recorded history, the battle of Megiddo. Interestingly, Megiddo is referred to in the Abrahamic bible as Armageddon. This putatively is where the "last battle" is fought resulting in the destruction of the world.
The modern movie WTF (When Trumpets Fade--get over it, it's happenstance) is absolutely the best small unit action movie of WW2, better than Saving Private Ryan for depiction of battle. It depicts the 28th Pennsylvania National Guard Division attempting to seize Schmidt and control a vital approach to the opposite end, planned exit point from the HF. This fictional account is realistic in portraying the realities, visually and audibly, of war. Not the stink. Not the touch. Not the aftermath of those not dead. The squad forms the tip of the spear, attempting to destroy to Panzer IV tanks guarding Schmidt, prior to a larger regiment-sized assault on the Kall Bridge.
The symbolism of this movie is powerful The conversation of Manning, carrying a mortally wounded, but not yet dead, soldier on his back to a base camp "just one mile away, okay". Manning attempts to talk the man back into regaining the will to live. He does so but the soldier refuses to complete the journey, wishing to die. No spoiler here--but if you want to see one grown man urging another man to fight for his life, then see this movie. And the ending is especially poignant.
The battle of the Hurtgen ended in a German defensive victory[2][3][4] and the whole offensive was a dismal failure for the Allies.[1][21] The Americans suffered 33,000 casualties during the course of the battle which ranged up to 55,000 casualties, included 9,000 non-combat losses and represented a 25 percent casualty rate.[1] The Germans had also suffered heavy losses with 28,000 casualties — many of these were non combat and prisoners of war.[6]
The surprise German Ardennes offensive caught Allied forces off guard. The Germans attacked with nearly 30 divisions; including the 1st SS, 2nd SS, and the 12th SS Panzer Divisions, with the northernmost point of the battlefront centered on Monschau.[22] They forced a large salient in the American lines almost sixty miles deep at its maximum extent.[23] However, the Germans never came close to their primary objective, the capture of Antwerp. The Ardennes Offensive came to a complete halt in early January, when German forces in the northern shoulder of the bulge were blocked by a strong American defence, the destruction of bridges by American engineers, and a lack of fuel.
In early February, American forces attacked through the Hürtgen Forest for the final time. On 10 February 1945, the Rur Dam was taken by American forces and the Forest itself was not cleared until the 17th when the 82nd Airborne Division reached the Roer River.[24]
Omar Bradley has been rightly condemned for this incredibly ill-advised, strategically unnecessary maneuver. Probably Eisenhower promoted Bradley to keep him out of Patton's way. Bradley was a logistician, not a tactician, not a fighter.
Are we learning anything from recalling this useless loss and ruination of life? Have any c99'ers ever heard of this battle, the longest single land battle ever fought by the U.S. Army? This battle lasted 3 months, twice as long as the 6 week immediately-following Battle of the Bulge.
Here's a lesson: incompetence happens at any and all levels of authority. Excellence in command is often greatest in those initially unexpected to manifest this.
Who is the current commander in chief?
What war-fighting experience does the CiC possess? What have any president's possessed of war-fighting understanding since Eisenhower and JFK?
What was Eisenhower's final words of advice to the nation.
Why did JFK get assassinated? At least one of several reasons was his publicly announced desire to "smash the CIA into a thousand pieces".
How many arm-chair commanders are there in Congress? I know of one who is not an arm chair commander but an on the field of battle veteran, tested by two tours in a war which should never have happened. The HF battle should never have happened. Iraq should never have happened. The same for Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.
War is hell, right? Yeah, but you already knew that. If your family or close circle of friends does not contain actual combat victims, and you yourself are not a former war combatant, then to better understand its cost, you must witness it on a small scale of individual and small units, desperately fighting to survive, and perhaps to remain human. PTSD marks failure to resolve the horrors of combat.
Most of us here at c99 claim to be anti-war. What comments, outside of war is hell, etc. does this essay bring to mind? If your answer is "none", then I humbly admit failure to express a combination of knowledge, deeply tinged with sorrow.
Perhaps the best comment readers could make would be neither verbal nor written. The best response seems to be internally centered on the many levels of war.
Comments
I always wondered why my dad was so changeable. So scary
sometimes. I knew he had been in WWII. I knew he had been a sergeant. I was told that he had battle fatigue, but not what that really meant. I learned that he didn’t start out a sergeant, but got to be one through attrition.
It was many years later when I learned that he’d volunteered while he was still 17, leaving high school before graduating. His parents signed the papers. He lived the rest of his life in the shadow of that war and especially of one horrific night in a shell hole.
We sent kids out to kill for us and said it made them into men. We didn’t mention that they would be haunted for the rest of their lives. We didn’t even allow them to be. But they were anyway. And they are still.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
John Huston's famous quote
in response to the Army's rejection of his work for them is here:
Have things changed much?
I think not but the warmongers only cheered Trump when he sent missiles into Syria based on false flag ops. War sells, unfortunately.
We are not sure, but DH's dad was a P-47 pilot and saw most
action from one day after D-Day onwards. A forwards, grass field, prepare for the infantry operation, Army Air Corps (406 Fighter Group, 513th Squadron entire Fighter Wing was P 47. By D-Day the 9th Army Air Corps was the largest tactical air force assembled under one command - 9th Army Air Corps) later the Air Force. He was in a fighter/bomber - either carry a 500 lb bomb which had to be deployed before return, or it was a big problem, or carry more fuel for long distance missions. We have some family stories about his missions and three survived loss of airplane.
We just read his records: In September he was stationed at Mourmelon-le-Grand. He was at Ruhr Valley early '45. We have cockpit tapes with a covert voice over recording of one of his runs. Nasty business.
His dad too had a quick and unexpected temper. Otherwise a talented and smart guy, skilled artist and build your own house kind of guy.
We are not sure he was in this action, but we will check the records. All of it, no matter what, was horrible.
We don't learn do we Mr. Alligator? Rhetorical. It's interesting to me that we are telling and re-telling war scenarios at Christmas. Peace to you and yours.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
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Dave Janda had a video about the 2 Christmas truces in WW1
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWoLYGXph34]
Shock, horror. Dave Janda a conservative! Harrumph, you scaly reptile for posting such a video on our pristine, never cross the line site (/s)! Anyone that's anti-war, anti-authoritarian is fine with me. Even for atheists, Jesus is just alright by me.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwlr65TbJA]
Peace in this holiday season. Peace today. Peace tomorrow. Peace always.
Keep the spirit of the "Holidays" holy everyday.
Very good essay. Thank you.
As for this:
The patterns of behavior inside the US are not universal in the world. Selectively and subjectively they can be seen that way. But, those with expertise in the origins and characteristics of different parts of the world may not see a matching pattern. The American experience is very unique — It has a minuscule history and an alien population of non-indigenous strangers who dwell on a continent that is isolated in the middle of two converging oceans. The US is nothing like other places.
At no time in the very short history of the US, were anti-war or Leftist movements allowed to gain a foothold. And after 1921, when under high-level pressure of the British Empire and upon the political urging of the oligarch families on both sides of the pond, innocent young American men would be conscripted into fighting in foreign wars where they had no business. These young men were not —"willing to extinguish life on an organized basis" — they were afraid and their young minds were preyed upon by propaganda that targeted them. They knew nothing.
Since the early 20th century, the PTSD pot has simmered in US households and social organizations, and their vapors have enveloped American society. These vapors carry a contagious mind virus that has made the US the world's golem, ready to draw blood anywhere it can. This is designed to continue in the interest of the American Empire. Since 1921, the CFR has selected US secretaries of state and defense, and filled cabinet and national security council positions from their membership. They have also selected one or more presidential candidates in each election, and groomed them for the role, just as they are doing with Elizabeth Warren. (The current impeachment, in fact, is an excellent example of their handiwork and testimony. The crime was a US President's attempt to block a US threat against Russia.)
For more than a century, any talk of anti-war is recognized in the US as the talk of treason. Like workers unions or any collective born out of Leftist ideas, including anti-war movements or any political Party that touts Leftist ideas, will be covertly and systematically crushed. The CFR also operates controlled opposition to capture your admiration. Don't look inside the US for salvation.
Take peace anywhere you can find it
American exceptionalism is a virulent disease which has escaped the the American hemisphere and has afflicted the rest of the world. There are conservatives, including Libertarians, who are anti-war. For whatever reason any party is anti-war, it's alright with me. Failure to recognize that other parties on the Left-Right axis results in a useless division preventing a unified anti-war front.
I agree with you about anti-war individuals
...in all other parties. I am glad such individuals safely exist, unless they try to become established journalists. I am speaking of anti-war or left wing organizations. Or Left Wing Parties. These have never existed for long in the United States and all attempts to establish them have been contained and dispersed.
Progressives in the Democratic Party are controlled opposition, whether or not they are cognizant of that.
Some people want a better option for their lives. A better society. Who can blame them? But they will not find it in the US. They only thing their children will inherit if they stay, is the nation's debt.
Pluto, you tell the lesson we need to learn
The two party system's an illusion. Heads I win, tails you lose.
Hazarding a still unformed theory, I predict a new political movement will coalesce around Tulsi. People from both sides of the so-called left-right continuum will combine as a nucleus for growing anti-war support. This movement will survive only when so many people are no longer engrossed in cell phone screens as to not even note who rides next to them on the bus or train. More about this later.
We should discuss predictions later.
I sense something taking form out there, too.
These elections are quite strange. There's a fork in the road with Bernie Sanders, and two different futures lie beyond him. An impeachment doesn't change anything. If Sanders is the Presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket, the American people will gain significant power over their future because of something they see and experience during the election. That will happen whether Sanders wins the election or not. If Sander's is not on the ticket, what the people want will not matter going forward. They will never know what is possible.
I am amazed that Americans got a 'do over' in the first place.
I think the only way we break up the two party system
The two party system is not inevitable. If Nader had won one state, it would have happened in 2000.
We just need the right strategy. If Sanders had run as an independent last time it could have happened.
If the goal is to beat Trump that is how you do it with a third candidate taking several states, perhaps as few as one state.
No, having the House
That would almost guarantee Trump would prevail, even as he would probably again lose by millions in the PV. That's b/c the Constitution is quite specific, with each state's House delegation being given one vote, so in undemocratic fashion, the smaller states again have undue influence on the outcome. And as things currently stand, even with an overall Dem House majority, the Rs control more states, so a bare majority of 26 states, which they now have, would give the election to their cult leader Donald.
An anti-Trump 3d party candidate, like Bloomberg or even Tulsi, would be another way of running the risk of sending the election into the House. MB is capable of such a run, if given a Sanders Dem nomination. Tulsi I'd prefer to think will stand by her announced no-run position. But she's taken some overly quirky, mavericky stances this year, and so is capable of a major surprise.
Bloomberg, a third party candidate, you say?
“Connecticut for Lieberman” — it worked for Joe-mentum. n/t
I just read about the Palmer raids in 1919-22
Jacobin posted an essay on the 100 year anniversary of them and I had no idea that had happened to so many people. Mass kabuki trials where both the juries and the judges had been pre selected to make sure everyone went to prison. The essay had a link to Eugene Deb's speech that ended him in prison. Under the espionage act no less as were many of the others convicted.
Key point was no only about how the masters of the universe would do everything in their power to make sure an anti left never rises here, but that they would also make sure that it is only the lower classes that went off to be cannon fodder in their wars of choice.
I don't remember the article I got this from, but there was a quote in it that asked people in 2014 if they could see themselves going to Europe to fight people over there. "No way" they said and yet 3 years later people were doing just that.
I hope people will read Deb's letter. It is powerful, amazing and disheartening to see how long both parties have been making sure that their masters get everything they want at the expense of the rest of us. And the price that we have paid is enormous.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
That's a great connection to the era
I looked at the references you mention, and they do tell part of the story of what happened to make Americans the sheep that they are. It helps explains how they came to be so cowed by their own government. In the course of things, I came across a video of Mark Ruffalo reading excerpts from Eugene Debs' speech. He teased out meanings that I had missed in my own reading. What courage! I post it below for anyone interested:
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Glad you posted an excerpt of his speech
It really should be something that everyone reads to understand how the powerful people have been determined to keep their profits intact no matter what it costs everyone else.
Here's the article on the Palmer raids.
100 Years Ago, the First Red Scare Tried to Destroy the Left
This is just a little excerpt of it. I have to read it more than once to truly get it. I'm not sure who the "progressives" were though. And then to read Debs' speech put it more into perspective. This tells me that Bernie does have a snowballs chance to win the primary. Or if democrats throw us a bone they will make sure that he doesn't win the general. And if they do rig the primary again what will people do? They were easily handled at the convention. And most people refused to believe Tulsi when she said that she was stepping down from the DNC because of how they rigged the primary against him. This is when she became a pariah of the centrists. Idiots to not believe the truth just because of who they were supporting.
Heh..someone posted a tweet saying that Hillary's a witch. I tweeted this.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Nothing changes
Always I am reminded of the demise of "Jim" in John Steinbeck's In Dubious Battle.
The last thing migrant farm strike worker "Jim" sees is two bright flashes.
This is how TPTB operate. They did it to Debs in the WWI time, Steinbeck wrote of it in the 30s, and they'll do it to us now and in the future. I don't think greed has any bounds.
I can't imagine the horrors of war
Or what it'd be like to watch your friends die doing something that in a 100 years won't matter. I was reading JekyllandHide's diary on the Xmas truce and saw some photos of the men who fought in WWI. What did they accomplish? For months they would fight over a piece of land that no one cares about today. Then there's all the troops that died in Iraq and other theaters. Just what did they accomplish? The ones that survived the wars will bear the scars of them for the rest of their lives.
I wish there was a way to get Butler's book and Debs' speech out to every person who thinks about joining the military. This is one thing Tulsi could do. But that takes lots of guts. The people who do speak out against the wars are made invisible.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Tulsi has the guts to disseminate the book
I was thinking more of her talking about not joining up
in the first place but that's just magical thinking. Of course we need to have a military for defense, but not at the numbers we do now. Besides if people quit joining then the sociopaths would just hire mercenaries to do their bidding. What needs to change is the people at top who keeps our global hegemony marching on.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
So just what did these men die for?
The article says that the French wanted to avenge their loss to Germany in 1870
The Christmas Truce Of WWI Paused The Murderous Demands Of The State
The British government, leery of Germany’s growing power, mobilized hundreds of thousands of young men to “teach the Hun a lesson.” Across the continent, writes British historian Simon Rees, “millions of servicemen, reservists and volunteers … rushed enthusiastically to the banners of war…. The atmosphere was one of holiday rather than conflict.”
The unclaimed territory designated No Man’s Land was littered with the awful residue of war – expended ammunition and the lifeless bodies of those on whom the ammunition had been spent. The mortal remains of many slain soldiers could be found grotesquely woven into barbed wire fences. Villages and homes lay in ruins. Abandoned churches had been appropriated for use as military bases.
“For most British soldiers, the German insistence on celebrating Christmas was a shock after the propaganda about Teutonic bestiality, while the Germans had long dismissed the British as well as the French as soulless and materialistic and incapable of appreciating the festival in the proper spirit,” writes Weintraub. “Regarded by the French and British as pagans – even savages – the pragmatic Germans were not expected to risk their lives on behalf of each beloved Tannenbaum. Yet when a few were felled by Scrooge-like gunfire, the Saxons opposite the [British line] stubbornly climbed the parapets to set the endangered trees up once more.”
In any case, numerous accounts in letters and journals attest to the fact that on Christmas 1914, German and English soldiers played soccer on the frozen turf of No Man’s Land.
What If…?
In a January 2, 1915 account of the Christmas Truce, the London Daily Mirror reflected that “the gospel of hate” had lost its allure to soldiers who had come to know each other.
“The soldier’s heart rarely has any hatred in it,” commented the paper. “He goes out to fight because that is his job. What came before – the causes of the war and the why and wherefore – bother him little. He fights for his country and against his country’s enemies. Collectively, they are to be condemned and blown to pieces. Individually, he knows they’re not bad sorts.”
“Many British and German soldiers, and line officers, viewed each other as gentlemen and men of honor,” writes Weintraub. The rank and file came to understand that the man on the other end of the rifle, rather than the soulless monster depicted in ideological propaganda, was frightened and desperate to survive and return to his family. For many along the Front, these realities first became clear in the light cast by the German Tannenbaum.
Most wars are senseless exercises in mass murder and needless destruction. World War I, however, is remarkable not only for being more avoidable and less justifiable than most wars, but also for its role in opening the gates of hell. Mass starvation and economic ruin inflicted on Germany during the war and its aftermath cultivated the National Socialist (Nazi) movement. Nearly identical ruin wrought in Russia thrust Lenin and the Bolsheviks to power. Benito Mussolini, a socialist agitator once regarded as Lenin’s heir, rose to power in Italy. Radical variants of intolerant totalitarian nationalism ulcerated Europe. The seeds of future wars and terrorism were deeply sewn in the Middle East.
What if the Christmas Truce of 1914 had held? Might a negotiated peace have ensued, preserving Christendom for at least a while longer? We do not know. It is doubtful that the “high-born conspirators against the peace of the world” would have been long deterred in pursuing their demented plans. But the truce – a welcome fermata in the symphony of destruction – illustrated a timeless truth of the nature of the human soul as designed by its Creator.
Reflecting on the Christmas Truce, Scottish historian Roland Watson writes: “The State bellows the orders ‘Kill! Maim! Conquer!’ but a deeper instinct within the individual does not readily put a bullet through another who has done no great offense, but who rather says with them, ‘What am I doing here?'”
For a tragically short time, the Spirit of the Prince of Peace drowned out the murderous demands of the State.
So it's been 100 years since the war was fought. Who gained what? Then they had their War to end all wars and yet here we've been in Afghanistan for almost 20 years. When another 100 years pass will someone ask "What the hell did they die for?"
Probably. If mankind is still around then and hasn't been wiped out in the last war to end all wars.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Your comment expresses my feelings more eloquently
Thank you
Darn good question. WWI was really brutal from what I've read about it. Horrible conditions and on top of that the troops were exposed to mustard gas and died horribly.
Think back to the civil war and how many no man's lands those boys fought for. And again it's been over a century since they died and what did they accomplish? The battles at Gettysburg saw tens of thousands of men killed and families left heartbroken. There should be a rule that if congress declares war then they have to have skin in the game and put their families in harms way first. This would probably end war as we know it. But..
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Absolutely
My first frontline candidate:
Thanks for the recommendation
That was a good film.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
los pendejos de guerra
Let's start with a most basic: "War is stupidity!".
And there's a term in Spanish for the kind of stupid bastards like your armchair generals, who send others to useless hell, pain and death: pendejos. Now, were you to hie yourself to a Spanish lexicon of some sort, and ask for the term for "stupid one", doubtless you'd get estupido for your troubles. Now, all of us are estupidos from time to time; it's part of the human condition. Pendejos, on the other hand, cherish and cultivate their stupidity.
Los pendejos de guerra. We norteamericanos seem to be seriously afflicted with them. And stupidity is seriously no bueno, wouldn't you agree?
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A blessed Yuletide to you, Dr. Alligator!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
De nada, Señor Thanatocephaloides
Perhaps it is the cynic in me
But when it comes to war there is nothing I can do about it. And since I know that is the case, I reject concepts like "doing it in my name" and feeling any sense of responsibility for war. You should only feel a sense of responsibility for something you can actually do something about.
And usually all it takes to start a war is twenty or thirty percent of the population being willing to gin one up. Often far less than that. So in a sense that proves that war is part of the human DNA as you suggest. In the US it may be that our percentage of aggressive DNA is higher than elsewhere.
George Washington purportedly said "government is force." So what does that say about war. Most people are not totally opposed to some form of government.
Excellent essay, AE
My late father fought with the 1st Marine Division in Okinawa as a 2nd Lt. He cut down by machine gun fire during combat which resulted in a permanent disability. He said that when they were removing him form the battlefield, he had no idea if he would lose his legs (which he did not), but he was grateful that he was going home alive on a stretcher instead of dead in a box. It is hard for me to imagine my father firing a rifle to kill another human being because he was a very gentle man.
My father never spoke about his time in battle, but many years later he did write a short memoir which he submitted to the Marine archives. Some time afterward,author Gerald Astor contacted my father as well as numerous other surviving veterans of both US and Japanese forces who fought in Okinawa. In his book, Operation Iceberg, Astor tells the story of the battle of Okinawa which was once called the bloodiest battle of WWII, as seen through the eyes of these veterans, including my father.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
What an incredible legacy.
It strikes me as profoundly moving. Thank you for sharing this with us.
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If only we could get re-do's
i'd offered this in silence,
as you'd written we might: "Perhaps the best comment readers could make would be neither verbal nor written.", although followed by more perhaps personal examples.
as an extreme outlier here, i certainly wasn't willing to weigh in on whether bernie and are 'anti-war' candidates as the comments have suggested. neither truly are in my book, i'm sorry to say.
but vonnegut's slaughterhouse five is one of the most subversive anti-war books i've ever had the pleasure to read...many times. and i've been protesting war since i was 16 at kent state university (as an early admissions high school student) while the fibbies on the roof next door to the student union photographed us. and no, we weren't popular with the student body, either.
by my lights, until anti-capitalism, anti-war, anti-imperialism is the number one concern of most USian voters, the US will continue to be the greatest exporter of violence on the planet. and that includes waging war by life-stealing sanctions (war by other means), or criminalizing and lying about pink 'regimes' while virtue-signaling the opposite. this sounds just like: VZ is ready for an R2P project. all 15 signatories an kiss my grits, sir gator.
I surmise you were too young to remember Tricky Dick's
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not too young,
but i'd already moved to CO and CU. i did happen to be back in kent for the first anniversary remembrance, though, and holy shit, it was a tear-jerking gathering. an old flame musician was there, though, and became part of Devo; this is how he and mothersbaugh saw it:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omEX35pbelI]
i'd also meant to say as per pluto's repubLic's comments on CFR: at least tulsi's no longer a member, FWIW. best to you, gator.
Great song. Turn about is fair play
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Best wishes to you, madame butterfly.
loved him as part of
buffalo springfield. okay, slightly better lyrics than we laughed about in my rooming house in boulder: 'keep me searching for that Pot of gold'.
g' night.