April 7 Open Thread - Metric System Day

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Image from page 10 of "The metric system of weights and measures" (1877)

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~~ Kilogram Weight

Oh whoopee, mensuration. This is so sad. When I looked for the title photo I at one point searched Flickr for "Meter" and up came a lot of pictures of electric meters, water meters, voltage meters, decibel meters and whatever. Other searches turned up a protester with a sign saying "Metric Now - cooking with imperial units sucks!". I guess cooking and carpentry might be the last to change, but the US and its businesses have changed a lot without announcing it. But a little backstory is perhaps warranted, and, for starts, Imperial Units and Customary US Units overlap a lot, but aren't identical, at least historically. So let's start.

When I was a wee lad in coastal California there were 2 systems of measurement, feet, inches, yards, miles and miles per hour, or, alternatively, fathoms, nautical miles, and knots, but never knots per hour which is landlubber speak. By junior high (late fifties) they introduced those of us in science class to the metric system, which was cool, in that it scaled up by factors of ten, but lacked anything roughly the size of a foot. There was, at the time, some pressure to convert over, like the rest of the world, but mucho resistance. It was probably coming someday so one needed a rough idea of size, 2.54 centimeters per inch, 39.4 inches per meter. 1.6 kilometers per mile (.6 miles per kilometer), and 2.2 pounds per kilo(gram). By the mid sixties, of course, everybody knew a kilo was 2.2 pounds, but that wasn't really about science.

By high school, miles and all that was for carpentry, cars and track. We ran yards, 100, 440 (1/4 mile), and 880 (1/2 mile), and jumps and vaults and such was feet and inches. But science now had 2 systems. Chemistry was cgs (centimeter, gram, second), while physics was mks (meter, kilogram, seconds). Chemistry volumes were mililiters or cubic centimeters which conveniently enough were related in that a cc of water at standard temperature and pressure took up one mililiter. Never really messed with volumes much in physics, but presumably liters was the thing. Nobody, I mean nobody would try to do physics in pounds, feet, and inches because it was just too crazy, nobody except engineers. You see, there was the pound problem. A pound of butter weighed a pound, 5 pounds of flour weighed 5 pounds, and that was just completely wrong. WEIGHT IS A FORCE. Metric forces are in Newtons, a kilogram-meter per second squared. If a pound was a weight, then what the hell was the mass, the equivalent of the Kilogram? Well, it turns out that it was something called a slug that nobody had ever heard of until they ran into the pound problem. It is a mass, equal to the mass that would accelerate at 1 foot per second squared when a force of one pound acts on it . Whaaa? Can't visualize that at all, it has no real size. But, it gets better.

Starting in 1954 they began redefining everything, eventually leading to something called the SI units. This "International System of Units" is basically metric and is the international standard. For grins you should check out the Wiki on it, at least the charts and tables (you won't find the pound, yard or any of that there, btw).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units#:~:text=The%...(cd%2C%20luminous%20intensity) That doesn't mean that pounds and ounces ceased to exist, however, but, they did get messed with. They didn't really tell everybody about it, or make it some kind of big deal, but since 1959, by treaty (International Yard and Pound Agreement), the pound has not been a unit of weight (force). Instead, it has been a unit of mass equal to 0.45359237 kilograms. Huh? This was passed into law in the UK in 1963. No law was required in the US since, though often violated, abrogated, or ignored, treaties are automatically the law of the land in the US. So why does a pound of butter still weigh a pound, you may ask? Well, concomitant with the above they invented something called the pound-force Remember that weird-assed definition of the slug? Uh, huh, just the opposite. A pound-force (lbf) is a force equal to the weight of a one pound mass under standard gravity. Of course, that's no big deal because who cares about the pound, right? In fact, the US Metric Conversion Act of 1975 declared the metric system to be the "preferred system of weights and measures" within the US, but did not mandate it, so good old Imperial/Conventional US measurements are still the norm, or are they? For some time now, new US cars contain a lot of metric sized nuts and bolts, bicycles too, and engines are in liters. However, the US is still exceptional using mostly non-metric values for commercial transactions and products.

Our non-metric eccentricity exceptionalism is not without its risks and costs. In 1999, NASA's Mars Climate Orbiter did a faceplant on Mars instead of orbiting it. NASA, science oriented from the word go worked in SI (metric) units, as did JPL, a long-time major subcontractor which was in charge of navigating the thing. Lockheed-Martin, a long-time defense contractor who built the thing, worked principally in dollars US units and therefore provided the thrust data in "good ol merkin units". Needless to say, it did not go where it should have.

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This is allegedly the anniversary of a possible date upon which a guy who allegedly never really died died. Given the lack of any known actual fixed date for the death of the non-dead I'm just gonna leave it at that.

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On this day in history:

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451 – Attila the Hun captured Metz in what is now France

529 – The first Corpus Juris Civilis, a fundamental work in jurisprudence, was issued by Justinian I

1348 – Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV chartered Prague University

1724 – The premiere performance of Bach's St John Passion

1795 – The French First Republic adopted the kilogram and gram as its primary units of mass

1798 – The Mississippi Territory was organized from disputed territory claimed by both the United States and the Spanish Empire neither of which had any remotely legitimate claim to it

1805 – German composer Ludwig van Beethoven premiered his Third Symphony

1824 – The Mechanics' Institution was established in Manchester, England

1906 – Mount Vesuvius erupted and devastated Naples.

1906 – The Algeciras Conference gave France and Spain control over Morocco.

1927 – AT&T engineer Herbert Ives transmitted the first long-distance public television broadcast (from Washington, D.C., to New York City

1933 – Prohibition in the United States was repealed for beer of no more than 3.2% alcohol by weight

1943 – In Terebovlia, Germans ordered 1,100 Jews to undress and march through the city to the nearby village of Plebanivka, where they were shot and buried in ditches.

1945 – The Imperial Japanese Navy battleship Yamato was sunk by United States Navy aircraft

1946 – The Soviet Union annexed East Prussia as the Kaliningrad Oblast

1948 – The World Health Organization was established by the United Nations.

1954 – United States President Dwight D. Eisenhower gave his "domino theory" speech

1956 – Francoist Spain agreed to surrender its protectorate in Morocco

1964 – IBM announced the System/360.

1969 – The Internet's symbolic birth date: Publication of RFC 1.

1978 – Development of the neutron bomb was canceled by President Jimmy Carter

1983 – During STS-6, astronauts Story Musgrave and Don Peterson performed the first Space Shuttle spacewalk.

1988 – Soviet Defense Minister Dmitry Yazov ordered the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan

1990 – John Poindexter was convicted for his role in the Iran–Contra affair. In 1991 the convictions were reversed on appeal.

1994 – Massacres of Tutsis begin in Kigali, Rwanda. The US did not intervene because no minerals or strategic value

2003 - US troops captured Baghdad

2009 – President Alberto Fujimori was sentenced to 25 years in prison for ordering killings and kidnappings

2009 – Mass protests begin across Moldova due to belief that election results were fraudulent.

2017 – U.S. President Donald Trump ordered the 2017 Shayrat missile strike against Syria

2022 – Ketanji Brown Jackson was confirmed for the Supreme Court of the United States

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Some people who were born on this day:

Social progress and changes of historical period take place in proportion to the advance of women toward liberty, and social decline occurs as a result of the diminution of the liberty of women.

~~ Charles Fourier

1770 – William Wordsworth, poet
1772 – Charles Fourier, philosopher
1803 – Flora Tristan, author and activist
1811 – Hasan Tahsini, astronomer, mathematician, and philosopher
1817 – Francesco Selmi, chemist and patriot
1870 – Gustav Landauer, theorist and activist
1889 – Gabriela Mistral, poet and educator
1890 – Marjory Stoneman Douglas, journalist and activist
1897 – Walter Winchell, journalist and radio host
1908 – Percy Faith, composer, conductor, and bandleader
1915 – Billie Holiday, singer, songwriter, and actress
1920 – Ravi Shankar, sitar player and composer
1922 – Mongo Santamaría, drummer
1927 – Babatunde Olatunji, drummer, educator, and activist
1929 – Joe Gallo, businessman, see below
1931 – Donald Barthelme, short story writer and novelist
1931 – Daniel Ellsberg, activist and author
1932 – Cal Smith, singer and guitarist
1935 – Bobby Bare, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1937 – Charlie Thomas, singer
1938 – Spencer Dryden, drummer
1938 – Freddie Hubbard, trumpet player and composer (d. 2008)
1943 – Mick Abrahams, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1945 – Megas, singer, songwriter
1947 – Patricia Bennett, singer
1947 – Florian Schneider, singer and drummer (d. 2020)
1947 – Michèle Torr, singer and author
1948 – John Oates, singer, songwriter guitarist, and producer
1951 – Bruce Gary, drummer (d. 2006)
1951 – Janis Ian, singer, songwriter and guitarist
1958 – Brian Haner, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1975 – Karin Dreijer Andersson, singer, songwriter, and producer
1975 – John Cooper, singer, songwriter, and bass player
1981 – Vanessa Olivarez, singer, songwriter, and actress
1982 – Kelli Young, singer
1983 – Hamish Davidson, musician
1986 – Andi Fraggs, singer, songwriter, and producer
1991 – Anne-Marie, singer and songwriter

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Some people who died on this day:

There's a sucker born every minute

~~ P.T. Barnum

This has been attributed to him throughout most of his life and ever since, but there is no proof he ever said it. It does, however, capture the spirit of the man, the US political circus and the US economic model.

1614 – El Greco, painter and sculptor
1761 – Thomas Bayes, minister and mathematician
1767 – Franz Sparry, composer and director
1789 – Petrus Camper, physician, anatomist, and physiologist
1804 – Toussaint Louverture, general and revolutionary
1836 – William Godwin, journalist and author
1885 – Karl Theodor Ernst von Siebold, physiologist and zoologist
1891 – P. T. Barnum, archetypal US politician, role model for all who followed
1918 – George E. Ohr, potter
1928 – Alexander Bogdanov, physician, philosopher, and author
1938 – Suzanne Valadon, painter
1968 – Edwin Baker, co-founder of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind (CNIB)
1972 – Joe Gallo, businessman, see above
1981 – Kit Lambert, record producer and manager
1994 – Lee Brilleaux, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
2009 – Dave Arneson, game designer, co-created Dungeons & Dragons
2012 – Mike Wallace, television news journalist
2013 – Les Blank, director and producer
2013 – Andy Johns, record producer
2020 – John Prine, country folk singer, songwriter

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Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:

International Beaver Day
Metric System Day
World Health Day
National Beer Day (US)
National Fun Day (US)
Empowered Women Entrepreneurs Day
Genocide Memorial Day (Rwanda)

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Today's Tunes

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Percy Faith

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Billie Holliday

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Ravi Shankar

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Mongo Santamaria

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Babatunde Olatunji

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Joe Gallo

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Cal Smith

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Bobby Bare

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Charlie Thomas

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Spencer Dryden

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Freddie Hubbard

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Mick Abrahams

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Florian Schneider

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Michele Torr

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John Oates

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Bruce Gary

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Janis Ian

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Lee Brilleaux

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Les Blank

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John Prine

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Commentary by Kacey Musgrave

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Special Added Attraction, a Legendary documentary by Les Blank and Chris Strachwitz: Chulas Fronteras:

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Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. What's on your mind?

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Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com
Lee Brilleaux

open thread, metric system, Billie Holiday, Mongo Santamaria, Babatunde Olatunji, Spencer Dryden, Freddie Hubbbard, Lee Brilleaux, Janis Ian, Les Blank, John Prine,

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QMS's picture

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The conversions are getting almost indecipherable.
Yeah, have two sets of mechanic tools: SAE and metric.
Works in most cases. Unless it is in special British units
(Imperial?). Deal with very few Brit products (except for
occasional Perkins engines). What a mess.

Where it gets complicated is trying to convert a decimal
value to an inch (.35") into something usable. Reading an
installation manual required setting an aperture opening on
an air vent for a oven burner yesterday. Fortunately, I have a
calculator to help. Turns out it is about 3/8". Too many conversions
make a simple procedure unnecessarily convoluted. $.02 worth.

Thanks for the snapshot of today in history and related music!

PS- a foot is about the size of your feet. A yard is is about a stride.
And a mile is a long way (about 1700 paces).

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@QMS

in that there comment. I, wisely, IMHO, decided to skip screws and bolts and thread pitches and gauges and all that, but still recall the shock the first time I went to fix something on one of my US made cars and discovered that I needed a 9MM wrench. I've been 6 foot or more since 8th or 9th grade, so a yard is damn near the old british "Cloth Yard" of nose-to-fingertip and 6' (remember to keep 6' apart now folks) is a wingspan. SAE and metric is a good starter kit, but my dad had an old Austin A40 when I was a pre-teen, so when I got my first brit car later on I already knew I needed 2 sets, SAE and Whitworth , so metric makes 3.

As to your air vent issue, somewhere I have an old "engineer's rule", normal inches scale on one side and decimal inches on the other, you just need to find one. Ditto a relatively cheap dial caliper with a dual scale dial, fractions and decimal, I know they must still make the damn things.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris
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unfortunately my dial calipers only measure in mm, which I convert with
a flat rule to x-fer into something like inches. It's a hassle, but it sorta works.
What's a decimeter between friends? It either works or doesn't. Adjustabels
are sometimes a deal maker (except for the slop). The term Whitworth is a new
one for me. Always thought of it as Brit weird.

Cheers!

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FWIW, I am inching up to using the metric system.
It is chilly this week, so good thing I didn't get around to putting away my winter clothing.
Not much in the news about the global trade initiated by China that trades in yuan via block chain. 38% of global trade getting off SWIFT is nothing to write home about, I suppose.
Is the petrodollar the next system on the chopping block?
BTW, Theme from A Summer Place is the song of such a different time, different life. I admit to having it bookmarked for years.
Thanks for the OT, dear friend!

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@on the cusp @on the cusp

Sorry 'bout your weather. A lot of stuff from that time and place still lives on in some of my playlists.

Who knew I would someday grow up and marry ...

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris The memories! Bookmarked! Thank you! Thank you!

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..in college. Like any system that you get used to, it is easy...in fact easier than the fractional imperial units we grew up with. However, having grown up building things using those units, I find it easy too. So it is all what you're used to.

Thanks for all the music and the OT! This concert came across my feed the other day which you might enjoy
Dawg at 80!
Sam Grisman Project
March 25, 2025
Moore Theatre
Seattle, WA

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@Lookout

your column yesterday. I grew up with both systems, each having their place in my universe, but day to day I use mostly conventinal US because construction and cookery.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

School. https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/harvard-law-school-trump

Tyrant Donald Trump, mega-violator of federal laws Wrecking America, has targeted Harvard University. Trump illegally threatens to cancel $9 billion in committed grants and contracts. One would think that the mighty Harvard Law School – loaded with professors having litigation and federal government experience – would be the vanguard of resistance and counterattack against the critical extortions of Trump, the fascistic dictator.

Wrong! I learned this firsthand as an alumnus of the Law School when I co-sponsored the first VIGOROUS PUBLIC INTEREST LAW DAY on April 1, 2025.

Here is the story in brief. Last December Interim Dean John Goldberg returned my call for a substantial conversation on the need to address the various forms of corporate power and corporate coercion over the rule of law. As a former Tort Professor (tort law deals with wrongful injuries) his awareness of corporate abuses was greater than his less learned predecessors.

I mentioned articles written by me for the Harvard Law Record in recent years that urged more attention by the Harvard Law School to the systemic lawlessness of these corporate supremacists along with more study of congressional surrender to the Executive Branch. He welcomed me sending materials on these topics and said he would read them over the Holidays and we would have another conversation.

If you read more of the post it said nobody show up for it, that's why Ralph pick April ! because he knew that would happen.

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@la58
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then why ain't the chilluns learning?
Rhetorical question. Brings up important
issues. The failure of the present educational
system seems to be breeding dumb-down thinking.
Teaching to tests supports memorization, not critical
problem solving IMO.
Nothing against Nader, but the writing is on the
chalkboard. Effective for young minds. Adults, not so much.

Thanks la58!

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@la58

is conflicted. There is somesort of rep for academic excellence, but it is also a club for the scions of US' quasi-nobility.

be well and have a good one

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@la58

across the country and almost every college in California saw it happen. Lots of students weren’t even involved in the Gaza protests, but he’s cancelled them anyway.

Trump did promise to be king on day one and here we are.

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to the metric system during my misspent academic career, as much as was possible: all my design work has always been done in metric. But I'm just as happy with Imperial units from playing with American cars, and I even still have a set of Whitworth wrenches for the odd British car that I used to like to play with, back when I had money for such trivialities.

This turned out to have commercial uses: when I was attempting to recover from the abrupt end of my consulting practice, I worked for Home Depot for about 6 months, selling hardware. And I was very popular at that, because I can almost always recognize metric fasteners on sight- somebody would bring in a 6mm screw, and they'd be desperately digging through the #8 and #10 Imperial fasteners looking for a match that would never happen, and I could save them the time.

I was always amused with the Ford Motor Company, for example, which went all metric for their chassis fasteners in the 80s, but stayed imperial for any already existing powertrains (like the venerable 5.0 liter V8). So you'd need your metric wrenches for most of the suspension work, but once it was time to touch the mill, your good old 7/16" came right back into play.

The real trick comes in being able to tell a 7/16" hex head from a 10mm hex head. I always just bring both sockets, when it is time to wrench...

Do you know why British cars leak oil? Because, if you fixed all the leaks, they would explode. And don't even get me started on Lucas electrics (the Prince of Darkness).

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@usefewersyllables

My dad got an old Austin A40 somewhere for the family car, I learned about Lucas when I blew up my first car ('52 Plymouth club coupe with the L-head 6) and my elder brother showed up with a '55 MG Magnette and said I could have it "If you can keep the damn thing running". First step was to install a non-lucas fuel pump. Years later a friend got a TR-4 in a divorce and had endless trouble with it. Starting with the battery cables I replaced every electrical component with either US or Bosch and it worked just fine thereafter.

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the Hands Off protests did pull a lot of people out into the streets, nationwide, and even internationally. There is definitely a groundswell of pushback happening, and that represents a nontrivial amount of political clout waiting to be harnessed and deployed.

I find it unbelieveably sad that it will inevitably be harnessed by the feckless dems again- and then, promptly dissipated after Kamala loses the next election again, Obama-style.

If only there were a serious opposition party, with a serious leader with some actual gravitas, to knock the dems off of their utterly unearned pedestal. The Greens couldn't even muster adding themselves as cosponsors (and they were probably discouraged from being involved at all).

Apparently, the Hands Off protests will continue. Perhaps there might be a chance to redirect some of that pent-up energy into a channel that might actually benefit the 99%, because the dems sure as hell ain't it... I have no idea what that would look like, but somebody's got to be thinking about it. The dems should not be allowed to have all this free support to squander, IMNSHO.

And on edit- a flash that just came across my desk states that Trump is now threatening to up the tariffs on China by yet another 50%, since rather than come crawling to him with hat in hand after the last raise, they raised theirs by ~20%. ~100% tariffs on the electrical components that make up consumer products will very likely lay waste to the remaining US manufacturers of those products, who have been hanging on with very narrow margins as it is. This is probably not going to be a good week.

It really is too bad that there is no functioning opposition party, isn't it? The dems can't even *fake* being the opposition, other than perhaps running "filibusters" when there is nothing to filibuster.

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@usefewersyllables

benefit will accrue to the underclasses because in the US, as you note, it only benefits the other wing of the uniparty, the other shiftless, soulless, unprincipled wing, the one that hasn't the guts to ever actually stand in opposition to anything.

The damage to US companies which do actually produce things will be widespread.

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Trump recently sold $2.4 billion in stocks which won’t be affected by the market crash.

Today he said he isn’t bothered about the pain we little people are feeling watching our money disappear.

“Suck it up buttercups. I’m doing okay.”

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@snoopydawg

say, except "what did anybody expect". Just like the Dems' only true campaign pledge (we're not the GOP), all one can say is "not Kamala and the clowns".

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Presented by Jeff Rich. Jeff Rich has other free youtube videos on Todd's work which hasn't been translated into English. Not sure why he hasn't had it translated. Here are links two more videos outlining Todd's Defeat of the West. Nothing is rational about what is going on politically in the US.

Emmanuel Todd, Defeat of the West - the main ideas explained in English

Complete Guide to Emmanuel Todd, Defeat of the West (in English)

Thanks for the open thread EL. So a nautical mile is a second of latitude at the equator right? I think aviation instruments were based on this, at least that's my vague recollection. Stall speed used to be 120 to 130 kts. If you don't make that off the cats, eject.

Enjoying the music selection!

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was one minute of latitude (1/60 of a degree) but now its 1,852 metres. Ejecting immediately after launch conjures up tons of images, none particularly good.

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@enhydra lutris

Believe or not.

The catapult operator was drunk apparently, and dialed in insufficient steam pressure. Fortunately both pilots ejected successfully. I knew one of the pilots very well. He told me after he was recovered, that he sank upon entry into the water, his seat pan filled with water pulling him down underwater. By the time he severed the line tied to the seat pan, he saw the ship passing over him. He exercised his utmost to hold his breathe. I thought he would be drowned. He was a marathon runner, his excellent physical condition saved his life. I guess the other pilot was in excellent condition too. He had the same experience. A sea story begins, "no s..t." Apologize if I've told this story before.

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It would have been my Mother's 84th birthday today. She's been gone for 5 years now. It's always a stark reminder of our own mortality to visit the grave of a friend or relative.. as they say up in the hills and hollers, "Hey little birdie, sing me a song, I'll be on a short stay, and a long time gone.."

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long time but, as they say, nobody gets out of here alive.

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