The American People have Spoken
"You must think how we tell you to think, act like we tell you to act, and stay where you are at all times".
This is almost like poetry it's such good propaganda. It's like Emerson meets Bernays for the final act of the 2017 American Health Care theatrical presentation.
"Exclusive: Majority of Americans want Congress to move on from healthcare reform - Reuters/Ipsos poll"
A majority of Americans are ready to move on from healthcare reform at this point after the U.S. Senate's effort to dismantle Obamacare failed on Friday, according to an exclusive Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Saturday.Nearly two-thirds of the country wants to either keep or modify the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare, and a majority of Americans want Congress to turn its attention to other priorities, the survey found."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-majority-of-americans-w...
I've been talking to a lot of people lately and every single one of them is saying the same thing this poll says, let's just move on, we don't need no stinking health care.
Right.
It's hard to even respond to something like this. First I laughed. Now I'm pissed. The worst part is people are going to believe this shit. The worst part is it's going to work. The worst part is we'll probably have to wait another ten years before we serfs are presented with an opportunity by those that rule us to discuss the United States health care system. The worst part is it will probably end the same fucking way. There's a lot of worst parts.
Top that with the Trump tweet threatening Congress/Senate and the insurance companies if they don't come together and pass a worse health fraud plan than Obummercare.
Notice the common denominator here? Yep, everything is getting worse. "They" want it to get worse. Can you vote for that? Again?
We're just fucking slaves.
Like, wait a minute, where is the talk about the American people threatening Congress/Senate if they don't pass a nationalized health care system? Why are the threats coming from an insane clown posse billionaire narcissist and not the American people?
Well evidently the American people are ready to move on. Says right there in the newspaper.
Are we living in an alternate reality?
Up is down, man.
2018 - BOYCOTT THE DUOPOLY!
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we are so screwed
health care, warfare, and environmental destruction. How long will the species survive? Ain't that a sad question?
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Sad but fair.
I wrote a short obit one time for the human race,
"Here lies the human race, exterminated by it's own greed".
The only thing they want from us...
Is blind obeisance, or death threats.
The First One For Obvious Reasons. The second because it serves the dual purpose of letting them be outraged, and simultaneously remove those that have a logical response to their evil.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
My comment will in part be
My comment will in part be related to that essay i wrote that we had a chat in Al.
Of course we are slaves, but we vote to make ourselves slaves. Decade after decade we vote in the same slew of corporate garbage from the purple party and they make our lives worse. We just exist on this merry-go-round ride, somehow thinking we are changing things when we vote for D or R. All of this could end if folks would just stop voting for the duopoly.
Look at Democrats (voters). 84% I believe I saw want a single payer system (think the poll stated Medicare-for-all for the language they use). Yet, their party is basically opposed to it (mealy-mouthed verbal garbage they utter that say they support it but not really). So why vote for a party that does not support what you want? That is an exceptionally high number of folks wanting something and yet not getting it from the organization they support.
The con was getting people to accept garbage, and not only accept garbage, but vociferously support it. Case in point the ACA. What exactly is the current debate? Or rather, what is the range of acceptable debate? Keep ACA, maybe "modify" it, or repeal it. Single payer is "just not realistic". Sadly, Americans are quite easy to keep constrained within various boxes. It is all by design. You can color as hard as you want within the lines, just don't dare actually push your crayon outside the line.
Stay in the box and everything will be fine.
You might have noticed the "2018 - Boycott the Duopoly" thing at the end. You guys might want to get used to it because I ain't giving it up. I kind of did last time when I was calling for a boycott of the presidential election. Fuck it. If enough people don't challenge this system it will just get worse.
As for Obummercare, plenty of us were warning at the time, which was eight years ago now, that if we didn't go for single payer then we probably wouldn't get another chance for ten to 20 years. That's how time goes by. Like living in a country being attacked by the U.S. (pick one) your entire life. Or like my grandchildren, all of a sudden they'll be graduating high school and they will have been living in a country at war the entire time.
@Big AlYou might have noticed
Oh I definitely noticed. I know your stance. I meant by "we" as on average the American people. There are those who don't participate, those who want change, those who just blindly follow, etc. etc. I know your stance and in essence agree. I don't vote for either party because neither party supports what I want.
Regarding ACA, 8 years ago yeah I was graduating high school/just entering college. Politics wasn't at the top of my list of things to consider. As I grew older I became more and more political. Looking back, yeah there was a enormous opportunity to for once and all deal with the issue of healthcare. Instead, we got a corporate giveaway plan.
Re: Boycot elections
I've heard a lot of people are un- registering to vote since Trump's crew demanded all voting records and personal information from all 50 states. It was in the 10s of thousands withdrawing their voter registration. I doubt we'll learn actual totals of people doing it.
So yes, a small voting boycot has begun.
@Big Al
Indeed! Why actually vote for evil?
Certainly, you know what you're getting while you're blocking out all chance of improvement in order to ask to have things made even worse because the con is working so well that it invariably and continually expands into uglier and more hazardous/deadly territory with any chance of positive change actively rejected by enough voters, all brainwashed into voting with the rest of the herd blindly poised on the edge of the cliff...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Why vote for Democrats you ask?
Because you gotta be pragmatic man. If you don't stop the other guys then it'll be even worse.
It is the logic of lesser-evilism. I'm always astonished at the fact that people who espouse that viewpoint are directly espousing the acceptance of evil and yet think of themselves as good people.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC
All they need is for good people to do nothing but support and perpetuate their takeover...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Evidently Daily Kos and Meteor Blades,
the old radical turned conservative, are celebrating their saving Obummercare. Some things don't change. Same people who were supporting and rationalizing Obama's republican/conservative health insurance system on Daily Kos and working against single payer are celebrating that a nationalized health care system is off the table and their precious Obamacare is saved. These are brainwashed people totally dependent on the duopoly political system. They simply cannot frame anything in their tiny little heads outside the democratic/republican party farce.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/28/1685024/-WE-DID-IT-Daily-Kos-...
Just like when democrats had the chance to pass
not only single payer, but any other popular legislation that they wanted, they folded and came up with an excuse for why now wasn't the time to pass it.
Yes there were some blue dawgs in congress, but Obama, Pelosi or Reid ever learned on them and told them if they didn't shape up and vote for this legislation, they would find themselves with no help at all when they ran for re-election.
They could have threatened Lieberman that if he didn't vote for the ACA, he'd be stripped of his committee leadership. But that didn't happen because Reid and Pelosi didn't want to pass the legislation in the first place. They wasted so much time working on the ACA while there was so many other issues that were important.
The only way that we are going to force congress to pass legislation that will help us is to do a massive protest. This means work stoppage and economic stoppage. The economic stoppage is to not buy anything for at least a week if not longer. Imagine what the economic losses would do to the corporations profits if half of the working people did this.
This video shows that it doesn't matter how many people want congress to pass legislation that will help them, congress doesn't care.
I don't know how we can get people to participate in the general strikes.
Maybe there aren't enough people living to close to the edge or too comfortable with their lives and don't want to rock the boat they are on. Or they are too distracted by what they are doing.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I wondered if this was the republicans' goal all along
This is one way to get people to quit demanding single payer and stay with the ACA.
This makes more sense to me than the republicans actually being responsible for countless deaths if they took people's insurance away from them?
People used to say that the ACA was a step towards single payer, yet no one has been working for it since the ACA was created. And the democrats haven't been in power to do anything about it.
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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
@Big Al When Meteor Blades stayed
When Meteor Blades stayed with Dailykos, I knew he was just another tool.
Several years ago, I had planned to attend a meetup in Austin where I truly meant to meet him and shake his hand. I would have paid about $1500 to make the trip. Instead, I spent the money to go to Spain for a week.
I got to shake hands with a gorgeous male prostitute in Barcelona. Thanks for the memory, Marque
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The ONLY thing important to them
is the Winning, period. They cannot frame their minds around anything else. Well, maybe some misogyny and racism but that is pretty much their entire repertoire, lather, rinse, repeat. Go Team Blue!!! s/
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Blatant ambiguity in the cited article
A charitable interpretation of that quoted passage might be that those who disapproved of Congressional handling of healthcare reform wished for MFA/SP. But that ain't so. A perfectly compatible story for the quoted prose is that Republican know-nothings want to do away with all healthcare in their dismay that Congress didn't dismantle the whole ACA thing and replace it with nothing.
But the article also should not be interpreted to mean that the DemonRATic establishment wants to do anything other than maintain the status quo, i.e., ACA (better known by its full name: About to Collapse Anyday).
First thing that stands out to me is how it perfectly takes
the process to the next step, moving on from it. Combined with how it matter of factly states that "two thirds of the country" want to keep Obamacare and that "a majority of Americans are ready to move on" based on a poll evidently of about 1100 people in the L.A. area out of 330 million americans. It's beyond belief that anyone could take such a poll seriously and yet how it's worded and how fucking stupid most people are it becomes a loaded weapon that tells people "that's all folks" so they'll meekly go back to their cubicles.
This is perfect example of the media arm of the oligarchy working in tandem with the political and corporate arms to manipulate the public to accept what it does or doesn't do.
That's All, Folks
Just like you said.
@Alligator Ed
And we also must remember that, even with Prog DemEnter hopefuls, Indies outnumber the remaining (and often dissatisfied) Corporate Party adherents...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Health debate mass mind screw
That is Sane Progressive's latest video title, a good rant. The House and Senate are corrupt. Remember Citizens United? Legal! Bernies incremental-for-all will be the next hope dope to go up in smoke. Terrible.
Why is no one talking about the basics? "Access to" (fuck I hate that phrase now) shelter, clean water and sanitation services, those are the bacis in a civilized first world nation. Right? How did this get to be normal: L.A. County homelessness jumps a 'staggering' 23% as need far outpaces housing, new count shows. 58,000 people without shelter just in LA county. Wealthy politicians are disgustingly impotent, bought and paid for.
Seniors on the streets: Aging homeless population of Silicon Valley
WTF there's granny starving in the ditch. ~shrug~. Politicians fighting about insurance profits on TV? Priceless! First, don't get sick. Next, stop growing old that is the answer. And don't lose the house or property during a downturn, there are no more upturns for the old. Good luck granny!
Fight from the bottom up, else one day the bottom will swallow you. Or, abandon and retreat like all the others, ignore the hell coming. Vote for UBI! LOL. Good luck 99%.
Interpretation and context
First, there are a number of recent polls that have shown that the majority of Americans support single payer. The overwhelming majority of Americans support both Medicare and Medicaid, programs that benefit older citizens and the poor.
So more likely, it is not that Americans do not want health care discussed, but perhaps they are sick of Congress wasting time on repeal of Obamacare. I am not sure what number we are up to right now but I believe it is somewhere near 50 and I know that I am sick of hearing that too.
I think there is a lot of misinterpretation in the article to say people do not want something better. So are people going to riot in the streets when our elected officials have told us to our faces that they do not care? I doubt it, but there is some hope. Perhaps we should look at the recall movement in California where the people are petitioning to recall the speaker of the house, Anthony Rendon. For any major issue, it helps to have an organized group to provide leadership for these things, like the nurses are doing.
Just my $.02 worth.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Thank you.
It might be nice to have the debt ceiling raised before the government shuts down this fall.
They couldn't stop talking about health care if they wanted to because subsidies to insurance companies need to be increased, unless we want to go off the deep end and refuse to pay more for pharmaceuticals than people in other countries.
I wasn't giving it that much credit.
"So more likely, it is not that Americans do not want health care discussed, but perhaps they are sick of Congress wasting time on repeal of Obamacare."
I was pointing out that the poll findings were a complete fabrication to send a message to the sheeple that it was OK to move on and that they should forget about something better.
I think we all know the facts they state as I outlined in the essay are simply lies.
My primary point was how the corporate media works together with the political system to manipulate the public.
That and 'perhaps they are
That and 'perhaps they are sick of (corporate) Congress...' and a government which they are finally coming to understand actively works against their interests to poison and drain them and their entire planet for ever-increasing profits to an ever-decreasing few?
It's not until enough people understand that the entire US (and other) governmental structure(s) have been infiltrated and taken over by hostile self-interests and must be replaced with actual democratic government in the public interest - even for continued short-term species survival - that they will rise to spill the vampires off their necks.
And Bernie, crawling painfully through the mine-field, helps by strategic contrast to show these parasites as they are to the American people, in the very corporate media so long restricted to once-successful campaigns intended to propagandize them into abject or even enthusiastic acceptance and subjection to even the most destructive of these self-interests goals.
Edit: hit the wrong button, lol.
Knowledge is power. Power To The People! And to hell with the censors and propagandists - we can't let them drag us down with them into that hell they're creating.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
FWIW, not a single Senate Dem
voted for the MFA Amendment that Montana Senator Steve Daines proposed last week. It was a copy-and-paste of Conyers' MFA Bill. Of course, Daines wasn't in favor of it, he wanted to have the Dems put their money where their mouths are. (I'll post the link at EB next week.) This is in spite of approximately 100 of them signing on to co-sponsor Conyers Bill (recently).
Anyhoo, Dems voted - '5' nay, '43' present.
Apparently, they were too terrified of 'red state' Democrats/Conservadems to go on record for MFA, after all their talk and promises.
Remember, Bernie's state-based 'public option' proposal will not be brought forward until AFTER Democrats negotiate a 'deal' with Republicans to 'fix' the ACA. IOW, it will be introduced when it no longer really matters.
Regarding McConnell, my 'guess' is that he truly wanted to appeal many aspects of the ACA. However, he recently acknowledged (when speaking at a Rotary Club luncheon in Kentucky) that Repubs would be forced to 'negotiate' with Dems to keep the ACA Exchanges from collapsing, if they were unable to pass their own bill.
This is rich--Pelosi just branded herself as a 'master legislator' while interviewed by Chris Wallace. Whew!
Where are my hip waders!
[Edited: Deleted 'are.']
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit and therefore– to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
Schumer and the Democratic Party Leadership
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Bernie just said that they're 'tweaking' the final
points of his state-based Medicare-type public option bill.
Now, I've now got '4' transcripts of his to post on this topic (which I'll try to do next week at EB.) It's unclear (to me) if he's going to wait until they complete negotiations with Repubs before they offer his bill, or offer it as part of the 'fix' to the ACA. It makes more sense that they'll offer it soon, since it's not a true MFA single-payer bill, but a state-based 'public option' bill. But, since he didn't give a deadline for offering the legislation, guess time will tell.
I hope folks will also take time to read the DN transcript of the Carol Paris interview (PNHP President) with Amy, in which she warns against instituting a state-based public option in the ACA Exchanges. (Dr Paris claims that a 'single risk pool' is necessary for a single-payer system to succeed.)
Mollie
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.