American Empire Threatened By Peace In Korea

If there was ever a doubt that the American Empire does not value the lives and interests of the South Korean people, 2018 is proof.
In 2017 the people pushed out a corrupt, pro-war, pro-American Empire president and replaced her with a pro-peace president. The South Korean people had spoken, but the South Korean people don't vote in the U.S.

As a reward for its broader foray into diplomacy, North Korea wants a formal and official declared end to the decades-long Korean War that settled into an uneasy truce in 1953. South Korea wants this, too.

But the United States, which first sent military forces to the Korean Peninsula in 1950 and still keeps 28,500 troops there, is not ready to agree to a peace declaration.

And why is the U.S. "not ready to agree to peace" in Korea? Amazingly the NY Times will shamelessly tell you something approaching the truth.

For some American officials, the troop presence in South Korea is not just a deterrent toward North Korea. It also helps the United States maintain a military footprint in Asia and a grand strategy of American hegemony.

China has already begun challenging the United States’ military presence in Asia, which will only be reinforced as China becomes the world’s biggest economy and modernizes its military.

The officials also worry that President Moon Jae-in of South Korea might try to push for a lesser American military presence, or a weakening of the alliance, after an end-of-war declaration.

“For the United States, an end-of-war declaration or a peace declaration or a peace treaty has always had a broader context,” Mr. Yun said.

If the desires of the people of South Korea don't matter, then are they really an ally? Or a nation under foreign occupation?
North Korea wants an end to the war even more than South Korea does.

On Sunday, Mr. Bolton said in an interview on ABC’s “This Week” that his understanding was that Mr. Kim had said “yes” to a suggestion in April by President Moon Jae-in of South Korea that North Korea should “denuclearize” within one year. He said Mr. Moon had reported this to the United States.

That's what we supposedly want! The thing is that North Korea requires a permanent peace treaty BEFORE disarming. Which is a reasonable thing to demand, and South Korea is pushing for it as well.
Which is why the U.S. is refusing to concede the point.

This is not something new. The U.S. has been preventing peace in Korea since 1953.

Negotiations took place in Geneva in 1954 but no progress was made and no peace treaty eventuated. The U.S. Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles, would not negotiate and was not prepared to shake the hand of Chinese Foreign Minister Zhou Enlai. Zhou described Dulles’ attitude as obstructionist. Other representatives, including those from Britain and Belgium, were privately critical of the approach of the United States at the conference. At the conclusion of the conference, Dulles, who became TIME’s Man of the Year for 1954, refused to agree to a proposed joint statement reflecting a common desire to achieve the peaceful settlement of the Korean question.
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Raggedy Ann's picture

if they aren’t, already.

Whatever the US gubmit tells you, reverse it. That’s where they’ve tripped up we, the people, too. But now that we’re catching on, we’re spreading the word. Pleasantry

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

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@gjohnsit wanted to bookmark this for future reference. Important point about media blackout.

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Question authority = civil disobedience

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The exact opposite of what we are told.
And they don't know that we know.

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divineorder's picture

Well ‘the media’ has ‘reported’ this much.....

... apparently causing fears to grow !

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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@divineorder

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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@divineorder

The Russian interference ploy went over with nary a protest from the rubes so why not add more countries into the mix?

Crap! Am I going to have to learn how to spell those country's leaders names?

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Disclaimer: No Russian, living or dead, had anything to do with the posting of this proudly home-grown comment

@snoopydawg And it has a bad connotation. Yet there is no crime called "meddling". But if we say that "Russia used legal means to try to stop the election of an anti-Russia President" it doesn't sound bad, does it? It actually sounds reasonable.

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War! Peace! Happiness! Decent lives for the 99%!?

What a sorry place.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref
the whole world is becoming a sorry place.
Ain't the human race great!

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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@Pricknick

regardless of circumstances.... still scary!!.......... (facepalm).

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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... I spent the better part of the day writing a diary detailing how the warmongering US once totally destroyed Korea, and under a Democratic president at that. The last line went something like, "the lesson North Korea has surely learned is that the only surefire deterrent to US militarism is a nuclear arsenal, and can you blame them for thinking this?" The general response felt like I was dealing with John Bolton's office...

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@Brett Wilkins There is no real substantial policy driven opposition to Trump within the dem party leadership and base. Simply reaction. Trump talks to NK. Well, talking to NK is bad. But go relatively quiet on issues such as "tax reform".

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easy access to those. Too bad such access would ruin Mt. Baekdu.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

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If there was ever a doubt that the American Empire does not value the lives and interests of the South Korean people, 2018 is proof.

The American Empire does not value life, of any kind, anywhere. Not even the lives of its own people.

At the conclusion of the conference, Dulles, who became TIME’s Man of the Year for 1954, refused to agree to a proposed joint statement reflecting a common desire to achieve the peaceful settlement of the Korean question.

The gaslighting began pretty early. A lot happened in the '50s, testing the American public to see how much it would fall for.

I wonder if TPTB (MIC, deep state, whatever you want to call it) knew ahead of time how easy it would be for them to get the populace to swallow the narrative hook, line and sinker.

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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China has already begun challenging the United States’ military presence in Asia

Fancy that.

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Keep pushing the door open. Light the corners till the melt.
--Magiamma

Morire de cara sol.
--Jose Marti

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NK (which has metric s$&@loads of coal) has been trying to build a hydroelectric dam for about 17 years now but has been stymied by supply shortages.

(I’d put in a link to the nyt story but I can’t find it on line but you can read it in today’s print edition. This is not the first time this has happened to me after multiple searches...)

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We may find that we’re all alone
In the dream of the proud.
- Pink Floyd, On the Turning Away

@Hawkfish That's what the USA does.

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Dear James Mattis: Why Haven’t You Quit Yet?

Back on Dec 6, 2016

(New York, NY) – President-elect Donald J. Trump today announced his intent to nominate General James Mattis, retired U.S. Marine Corps four-star general, to serve as Secretary of the United States Department of Defense. Among the most decorated and legendary leaders in our country, Gen. Mattis has spent his life defending America in numerous theaters of war.

"defending America" through wars ...

the author lists humiliations of Mattis by Trump (does ass kissing get you up the ladder and you get hooked and don't know when to stop kissing those above and getting kissed by those below...)

DO I REALLY need to continue? How many more humiliations will you, a decorated general, endure at the hands of a draft-dodging commander-in-chief? How many more times are you willing to be made a fool of by this know-nothing reality TV star?

Trump fired your friend and fellow general, H.R. McMaster, and replaced him as national security adviser with the ridiculous bully John Bolton. He fired Secretary of State Rex Tillerson while he was on the toilet. Isn’t it only a matter of time till he comes for you? So why wait? Why not leave on your own terms?

I find it astonishing that despite everything — the serial lying, the racism and bigotry, the human rights abuses at the border, the attacks on the free press, the cozying up to Vladimir Putin — there has not been one single resignation on principle from this administration. It suggests that I was correct to describe it as a kakistocracy — government, literally, by the worst people — back in January 2017.

a crisis is something that will pass

the war on terror will go on and on and spend more time and treasure and hasten the collapse of our empire

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do you have any thoughts about Zero Hedge?

am I too far out to look at it?

some strange stuff, but this

Here Are 410 Movies Made Under The Direct Influence And Supervision Of The Pentagon

A year ago we featured a detailed report by authors Tom Secker and Matthew Alford exposing just how vast the Pentagon and CIA programs for partnering with Hollywood actually are, based on some 4,000 new pages of formerly classified archived documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.

The report noted at the time that "These documents for the first time demonstrate that the US government has worked behind the scenes on over 800 major movies and more than 1,000 TV titles."

Reviewing the ever expanding list, the average movie watcher might be in for a shock at what films are actually included — there are the more predictable ones like Black Hawk Down, Zero Dark Thirty, and Lone Survivor; but also entirely unexpected ones that apparently needed the military-industrial complex's propaganda touch like Earnest Saves Christmas, Karate Kid 2, The Silence of the Lambs, Twister, the Iron Man movies, and more recently Pitch Perfect 3.

the article has more about how they work together and a list of movies

A publisher was recently on Book TV. And he said

entertainment is politics and politics is entertainment

Thus he said, normal journalists don't know how to cover Trump

this article is a reminder how Hollywood supports the empire

I recalled the title of a book "amusing ourselves to death" by Neil Postman. It was published in 1985, 32 years ago.

I did a search and the book is on line in a pdf form

We were keeping our eye on .1984. When the year came and the prophecy
didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. the
roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had
happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares.

But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was
another--slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling:
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among
the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell
warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But
in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of
their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to
love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.

What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared
was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no
one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of
information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we
would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth
would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in
a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture.
Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some
equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal
bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and
rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take
into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984,
Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New
World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell
feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love
will ruin us.

This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right.

Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman

Chris Hedges has written that we are living in both 1984 and Brave New World.

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@DonMidwest

Chris Hedges has written that we are living in both 1984 and Brave New World.

Chris Hedges is dead on the money once again.

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Great. Add fuel to the fire. You know, Russia worked with US on Iran, maybe just maybe Russia might work with US over NK. Naw, Putin is evil.

As I stated before, back in the day, many argued that trade and engagement were power in reducing tensions and softening up dictatorship. Better to send bluejeans and rock and roll records to Soviet Union. Now it is all aggression.

I remember watching another xenophobic attack on Russians by TYT and Cenk went all raising his eyebrows about Russia establishing internet connections in NK. Oh there is evilness there. Hey NK let's have peace while we punch your face out.

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Given Trump's accomplishments thus far with NK, I don't see how you can make the claim that the Trump Administration is "Threatened By Peace in Korea". Trump is engaged in a hard line negotiation with NK and China (NK being a puppet of China) and it has reaped rather profoundly positive results, some might even say worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize, unlike Obama's farcical Nobel Peace Prize. Fact is, the Trump Admin is not gonna budge on any issue or sanction until NK agrees unilaterally to disarm and dismantle their entire Nuclear program. (or maybe they already have and all that we are watching is a kabuki show)

And btw, if you had been following the Q crumbs for the past 6 months, you would probably have far more questions about NK and Google and Eric Schmidt and the Deep State/CIA and the Autocratic Globalist Communist Cabal. Just sayin... #RedPill

Here are a few crumbs...

Q !xowAT4Z3VQ No.462
Mar 27 2018 23:03:07 (EST)
Why did Kim travel to China?
Why was travel impossible in the past?
What changed?
What constitutes the need for a F2F meeting v. secured call?
What US publicly traded co. previously entered N. Korea to establish comms?
Think logically.
WHY DID GOOG VISIT N KOREA?
WHY WOULD THE FORMER CHAIRMAN & CEO [HIMSELF] OF GOOG/ALPHABET PERSONALLY ATTEND?
Who is Sergey Brin?
Where was Sergey born?
Track the 'FAMILY' - IMPORTANT.
Think COLD WAR.
Think KGB.
US, China, N Korea [3].
FACEBOOK data dump?
Who made it public?
Who sold shares -30 days from announcement?
You can't imagine the magnitude of this.
Constitutional CRISIS.
Twitter coming soon.
GOOG coming soon.
AMAZON coming soon.
MICROSOFT coming soon.
+12
Current censorship all relates to push for power [mid-terms].
LAST STAND.
Election FRAUD cases OPEN - DOJ [many].
Follow the FAMILY.
Follow resignations [Business/Gov't].
BIDEN/CHINA VERY IMPORTANT MARKER.
Who made it public?
Who really made it public?
Who is making it all public?
WE ARE THE GATEKEEPERS OF ALL [BY ALL WE MEAN ALL] INFORMATION.
U1>CAN>EU>RUSSIA>IRAN>NK>SYRIA>PAK>>>
IRAN NEXT.
$700B - MILITARY [THIS YEAR].
WHY IS THE MILITARY SO IMPORTANT?
RE_READ ALL.
NATIONAL SECURITY.
NATIONAL SECURITY.
These people are STUPID.
Art of the Deal.
TIDAL WAVE INCOMING.
BUCKLE UP.
Q

Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: 549b47 No.1106719
Apr 19 2018 18:53:11 (EST)
Big ERROR.
Pelosi admits travel to North Korea [past].
Archive immediately.
They have tried to ‘cover’ this.
Why is this relevant?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?444272-1/democrats-back-farm-bill-leader-p...
These people will lose everything.
Q

Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: eff7c9 No.1972546
Jun 30 2018 13:36:13 (EST)
You have a choice.
The choice has always been yours.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
THEY WANT YOU DIVIDED.
THEY WANT RACE WARS.
THEY WANT CLASS WARS.
THEY WANT RELIGIOUS WARS.
THEY WANT POLITICAL WARS.
THEY USE THE MEDIA.
THEY USE HOLLYWOOD.
THEY USE POLITICAL LEADERS.
THEY ARE LOUD.
GROUP THINK.
PUBLIC SHAME AGAINST THOSE WHO CHALLENGE.
SLAVERY.
THEY KNOW WHAT IS COMING.
IT IS NOW MORE CLEAR THAN EVER.
NEVER IN OUR HISTORY HAVE THEY BEEN THIS EXPOSED.
NEVER IN OUR HISTORY HAVE THEY COME OUT FROM THE SHADOWS TO FIGHT.
THE TRUTH IS CLEARLY VISIBLE.
DEFEND MS-13?
DEFEND THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR BORDERS?
PROMOTE THE FEAR NUCLEAR WAR IF POTUS REMAINS IN OFFICE?
NUCLEAR ALERTS MALFUNCTION?
COMPARE TO HITLER/NAZIS?
PROMOTE VIOLENCE?
PROMOTE HATE?
PROMOTE WAR?
PROMOTE ECONOMIC DECLINE?
PROMOTE NK TO END TALKS W/ POTUS?
PROMOTE IMPEACHMENT FOR NO REASON?
PROMOTE RACISM?
PROMOTE FACISM?
PROMOTE RIOTS?
FORM ANTIFA - VIOLENT GROUP DESIGNED TO INSTILL FEAR IN FREE SPEECH.
HATRED FOR AMERICA.
SHEEP FOLLOW BLINDLY.
THEY ARE SCARED.
THEY ARE LOSING CONTROL.
WE KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ
WE PLANNED.
WE TOOK CONTROL OVER KEY ELEMENTS.
WE STAND AT THE READY.
WE FIGHT.
DARK TO LIGHT.
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
GOD BLESS PATRIOTS AROUND THE WORLD.
THINK FOR YOURSELF.
TRUST YOURSELF.
COURAGE.
TOGETHER.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident...
[snip]
Q

Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: 309a1c No.1950233
Jun 28 2018 20:53:45 (EST)
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Anonymous ID: 7b5a78 No.1950123
Jun 28 2018 20:47:24 (EST)
>>1950090

Q any comment on NK facilities and General Kelly? Thanks!
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>>1950123
NK = FAKE NEWS [UK orig].
NK already began denuclearization process under guidance from US.
Rapid.
Why are people always being moved around?
Think strategy.
The Plan.
Military OP.
Q



And if Q is not your cup of tea, here, read this thread by the ever insightful Thomas Wictor:

Want something more mainstream:
FORBES: This Could Be The Real Reason Why North Korea Stopped Its Nuclear Missile Tests

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