It Is Truly Farcical
Looking around online the newspapers and Democratic Party blogs across the internet.
Trump is everywhere, the hours and column inches dedicated to him are simply astounding.
Hillary gets some mention when entangled in yet another mess of her own making.
Yet where it all falls down is that they fail to convince anyone to change their mind, there is nothing of substance to grab hold of and say yes that's worth fighting for. That was the whole driving force behind Bernie's success in this election cycle, fighting hard for issues that affect us all. However what we appear to be getting is, yes, but you have to deal with the reality.
The hardest thing to find on the internet is a positive article even from the most loyal partisan highlighting what she will do for the country [not herself] without it just sinking into attacks on Bernie and more and more frequently, attacks on Trump. We have for the first time the possibility of a woman as President and that is something to cheer about in itself. However there is nothing of substance offered to indicate that this will change the status quo one iota, and the status quo is the major part of the problem. There are no dreams or hopes on offer, just more of the same, now that is one hard sell, blandness.
You might say that after Obama that nobody will fall for that crap again, yet Bernie and yes even Trump have found a way. You can snidely call it mere populism, but the fact of the matter is it is harder to beat than a document written by a committee of lawyers and read by a candidate not convinced by any of the arguments put forward.
What we have is a faeces flinging contest in the monkey house once again, rather than a vision of what we can become, it was the hope I had [and still have a little] if Bernie became the nominee, that there would be something worth fighting for rather than merely against. Even the attacks by democrats on Bernie have not been of substance, but of mere poo flinging, it makes a mockery of us all. I for one am beyond recall to the faithful because all they offer is hot air and am willing to fight them all the way. There are plenty of issues worth fighting for Hillary to pick a couple, but sadly even then, you'll have to mean what you say, and therein lies the conundrum. Issues go beyond the individual and Democrats need to get back to that way of thinking.
I knew in my heart that this election season would once again be depressing [yet still hope] I just didn't dream it would descend into a puerile farce. The one glimmer of hope is that enough people instead of sitting on the sidelines, decide enough is enough and fight back against this mockery of our own intelligence.
Just a rambling thought
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MSM has done something since the IG report.
They are beginning to do their jobs. It seems as though that report opened their eyes. And they cannot fully comprehend what they are now seeing. But, it seems that they are trying. When criminal charges against the anointed one seem likely vs. "never will happen," that causes every news room to start pulling out their hair. Then, overcompensate. Then, find blame in other media arms for causing the mess. Then, state they are redoing their Journo team, and promise to do bitter. Better. Butter. Batter. Some b word.
As for the strumpet, a blowhard are can fool some of the sheeple some of the prime time, and a lot less over a longer period of time.
Do you really believe the Obama DOJ would indict Hillary?
If so, I have some swampland to sell to you.
Look forward and all that
Yes, I do.
They could indict her the morning after the general election and Obama could issue a full pardon that afternoon.
I'm Hoping Obama Would Never Pardon
Clinton after an indictment. For no reason, no how. Indict the Abuela. Make her go to trial. If that's the only way the nation can rid itself of the Clintons, then so be it. I don't want them to go away mad, I just want them to go away.
They have their ill-gotten gains to live off of. They're not dead broke anymore. Let war criminal Henry Fucking Kissinger comfort them the way he comforted Nixon. Milhouse, at least, had the decency to keep a low profile after he left the WH.
I've always thought of Obama
I've always thought of Obama as being on par with Gerald Ford as a President. This would only seal the deal.
They say that there's a broken light for every heart on Broadway
They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
They give you masks and costumes and an outline of the story
And leave you all to improvise their vicious cabaret-- A. Moore
Can't happen
Obama is in a trap. He cannot do what you suggest. Too many cards are on the table now. He also can't interfere with the FBI/DOJ slow grinding gears. If, by some chance, he tried it he would fall into the same pit she is in. No chance of any kind of favorable legacy. Also, if by some chance she actually beat Trump she would be impeached within her first 100 days.
Cool...with climate changing so quickly that
will soon be prime real estate.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Exxon Mobil began exploring and concurring with Climate Change i
so its pretty clear that every administration since that time has also known, and politicos and their wealthy cronies are siphoning off assets to enrich themselves and carpeting their hidey holes: case in point the Waltons (HRC's sponsors) who are reputed to have created a massive bunker.
Yup: the lifeboats have been grabbed: query whether we are past the point of return.
Build kayaks ;)
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
That would be:
Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama.
So the Bushes and the Clintons, pretty much. And Obama.
Reagan was always a figurehead, so I don't bother counting him--the power at that point was with Bush, Don Regan, and others in that Administration.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
She has pissed off the security state.
That's why this is even an issue that is making any papers or TV news shows.
She pissed in their Wheaties, and now they want their rich friends on Wall St and elsewhere to get behind a corrupt mouthpiece who WON'T "compromise counter-terrorism operations."
Yes, I believe that the security state can bring pressure on President Obama. Yes, I believe that his initial instinct would be to protect the status quo, even in the person of someone he obviously dislikes, and against whom he has a grudge. No, I don't think he'd shed any tears if the security state pressure put him in a position where he had to cut her loose. Actually, I expect on a personal level, he'd probably enjoy it.
The only question is whether said security state pressure is enough to indict her. But for the purposes of the people pushing for this, she probably doesn't need to be indicted--she just needs to end her campaign and get the hell out of their business. Take her blood money and retire. Then someone less arrogant and reckless, but equally corrupt (like Joe Biden) can be put into her place.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They simply can not ignore it and they know it.
This isn't the moment the press decides to do their job again.
This isn;t the moment eyes opened and enlightenment and understanding dawned.
They're, at best, grudgingly reporting on this now because they have to be able to claim they have some credibility. See look, they covered it.
These outlets do not have, nor are they returning to the 'noble purpose' of informing the viewer. Their corporate masters have a bottom line and the situation demands they seem somewhat like they are willing to report the events going on instead of completely ignoring them, so the hapless viewers will continue to tune in and watch the important stuff.
Commercials.
For profit news.
Narrowly to monopolized control of news media. The news is as different as it has to be to ensure people maintain divisive political identities so the powers that be can keep people divided.
When you keep voting either corporate party in
this is what you get
The corporate press can dig into Hillary's scandals now
They think they've put Bernie Sanders away, so open season on Hillary may be about to commence. Probably after the CA primary. The endless free press Donald Trump has received will likely not slow down, and as long as he's covered like some sideshow geek biting off chicken heads voters will continue to treat him like a reality show clown. Hillary, OTOH, attracts scandal like a magnet, mainly because she and her husband are so corrupt, secretive and arrogant. It will be hard for her to campaign as a better and more serious person than Trump while fighting endless corruption and national security scandals.
Clintonites who are so proud of all Hillary's experience tend to forget that experience leaves a record. That may prove her undoing.
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media will play both sides of a clinton/trump horse race
they love horse races.
sanders is a monkey wrench in their two-sided horse races. he's the third rail and must be ignored.
did 9 months in California prison, because Neoliberal Democrats and GOP maggots work together to profit off the drug war
Why does no one ask Hillary:
So is the IG lying when he says you weren't to have your own server?
Yep, IG report was gamechanger
I got this sense too, now that there's something official in hand, the MSM has gone feeding-frenzy on the Hillary campaign, in part because each individual outlet figures it it won't, it's competitors will. Also the fact that the IG was a Democratic official, from the Obama administration so no "RW conspiracy" excuse a la Benghazi here. Kong overdue.
the IG report needs to couple with a CA victory
in order for the media to see a mandate. america is built on hype. and hype is based on 'momentum'. so without it, the media sees no 'juice' in the newsroom, no clicks for online content, etc.
if bernie wins ca, then corporate media will be forced to keep talking about IG report and all that it entails.
but if the media really gave a fuck, we'd be talking about the clinton involvement in honduras.
did 9 months in California prison, because Neoliberal Democrats and GOP maggots work together to profit off the drug war
We'll get down on our knees and pray we don't get fooled again.
Chin up, old girl. Bernie is the candidate I've been waiting decades for. I wanted Bernie to preach the word about who is responsible for what to the entire country, and he is actively doing that. And I am grateful.
Socialists tend to live longer than their jeering neighbors. They are characterized by strong but tolerant men and feisty women, who just won't give up.
Bernie's brand of socialism is milder than mine, but that's okay. His philosophy seems to be based on the notion that we are our brother's keepers, and that's just fine with me.
I'm old and stubborn. My family affectionately calls me a curmudgeon. And I say eff you to anyone who tells me to quit struggling. Yes, it's been a long, hard road. And it feels like we traveled the entire way on foot, so to speak. But I'm in it as long as Bernie is and I'm looking forward to what comes next.
Stay with us, Honey. At the very least, we'll piss off a bunch of assholes.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Chins up, now I'm pissed
Aging lefty
you are the sort of human I revere!
Yup, we are our brother's
and sister's keepers. I figure my family is pretty big. Fortunately, the Bush's and the Clinton's have their own, so I don't have to consider them part of mine.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Curmudgeon
You are probably about like me. We get this way from getting tired of seeing the same old crap happening again and again and it seems like nothing ever changes. It's a title one has to earn, but I wish no one ever had to.
Trump dominates the Dem leaning blogs.
Very dangerous. Hillary is a very weak candidate, but many Dems would rather risk losing with her than winning with Bernie.
We tried warning them, even if she wins they will end up
regretting yet another missed opportunity.
Some don't want that opportunity.
An uneasy coalition that often is one way.
I seriously doubt they will regret it
(at least not in public) even with proof showing the error of their ways, they will continue to dig in with their unabashed support - aka excuses. OR, they'll blame it on Bernie, and his supporters, for not running a better campaign which could have avoided the problem from the beginning.
Preemptive excuses
Isn't that embarrassing - that somebody would make excuses for losing... before the race has even started? Nevermind issues, who thinks this is good politics?
Possibly their(Our) Last
Possibly their(Our) Last Opportunity ?
Go Bernie Go !
Peace-
Murph
Its hard to believe Obama and others in power
Don't see far enough into the future to see Clinton will be horrible for the party. Even if she isn't indicted by Obama's DoJ, Comey will have all the dirt on her still available for Republicans to use as they see fit. Even if she wins she'll be swamped with legal action until they can finally impeach her. She'll have no coattails, and bring in no new voters. The nation will just be disgusted as the corruption of the Democratic party becomes more and more evident. Far better to take a chance on Bernie, who everyone agrees is honest even if they disagree with his policies.
I still don't understand why anyone would tell Hillary right now
"Yeah, I'll vote for you if you're the nominee if Bernie loses." Make her work for your vote.
Really? She can play "Let''s Make a Deal" and people are
going to buy it? She can work her ass off for my vote. She isn't getting it. Fool me once, twice... I will take what is behind door #3.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Low-info voters go for name recognition
That means they will remember Drumpf, Hillary, and Bernie..., in that order..., thanks to Moronic Media who is fascinated with Drumpf, beginning to have it dawn on them that $Hillary is probably not the one they want to see in the Oval..., and Bernie is the one thousands upon thousands of people go to see based on announcements on short notice on his web site.
I just want to scream at these "journalists" and TV "reporters" to "LOOK at the thousands of people in those still photos and videos of people who turn out to listen to a man who speaks words we've all wanted to hear since we were all old enough to vote. LOOK, LOOK, LOOK, DAMMIT!!! Don't you get it?!? Drumpf is a con artist, $Hillary wants more war and to give our money to her friends on Wall Street, corporations, etc., and Bernie is the one who really wants to actually try to DO SOMETHING for We the People!!!"
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
We Suck Less! No really, we do!
The traditional slogan of the Democratic party campaigns is going to be a tougher sell this year than usual, even with Donald Trump to run against. Hillary Clinton excites a minority of the Democratic base, which is less than a third of the electorate. She stands for nothing other than her own sense of entitlement and the power of a second X chromosome. She promises nothing -- nothing anyone with three brain cells to rub together will believe. She is already almost as widely disliked as Trump, and exactly as distrusted. And she's got plenty of downside with the electorate from here. The new scandals about emails and pay-to-play around the Clinton Foundation will be the meat and drink of the next 5 1/2 months of the news.
I suspect that if she squeaks out a win against the most disliked and dishonest candidate in history, she will limp across the finish line so bloodied she will have negative coattails and less political capital than Newt Gingrich presently enjoys. Can she campaign in such a way that she improves over time in the polls? She never has managed it thus far. Even against Trump it will be an open question whether she can manage it.
Back in January I wrote a tough story about Clintonian corruption at TOP called "Enough," and reprinted it here when I joined. One observation sticks out, and may be pertinent to this diary:
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the not as bad as campaign, so promising
the trouble is will the electorate see it as not as bad as at all.
The laughter from other countries is tangible
First there's the orange buffoon who has pissed off other country's leaders who say that they won't work with him.
And then the candidate that is under investigation by the FBI and has a history of making deals that the other party has spent so much time investigating them.
And I agree, what are the two of them running on? Trump changes his mind from one speech to the next one.
And anything that Hillary says, well raise your hands, do you believe anything she says that she is going to do?
Fight for the middle class vs. fight for the banks and corporations that have financed her career and lifestyle.
We finally has a candidate that represents what the democrats used to stand for and people are going to vote for the status quo and liar.
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
I believe
that she'll do all of the things that annoy me the most about the Democratic Party, and none of the things that inspire me about it. To me, she's the anti-Democrat.
Trump on the other hand, will be an equal or greater disaster in different ways.
I'm thinking the Caribbean sounds good for the next few years.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
You might say that...nobody will fall for that crap...
Oh, PULEEZE! This be Mer'ka, where suckers and rubes get taken every day. Why are the Kardashians wealthy if this isn't true?
That it has happened in the past his historical. That it will happen in the future is inevitable.
I will rethink my premise if USA-ans wake up and give power to Bernie this fall.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Farcical?
Maybe we should go back to strange women in ponds distributing swords for our system of government.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
Thumbs up click for the Monty
Thumbs up click for the Monty Python reference ~
Peace -
Murph
If I had to have a beer with her
I'd just drink the six-pack pronto and keel over.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
It would be...
Some mediocre brew from a virtually unknown microbrewery...
With a nasty foamed pour....
It's just how she rolls...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
oh, show some creativity.
drop one on the floor accidentally on purpose, then "inadvertently" spray her with it. guzzle each can in a series of great air-swallowing gulps, to maximize your belching. puke on her pradas. then you can keel over.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Nah!, I'm going with the Great Escape.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
HRC as a wounded candidate
Here's the way I feel it. Hillary cannot wish away, or explain away, the whole SOS email mess. And that is with only the tip of the iceberg poking up through the sleep of the MSM.Things will only get worse from here on out (wherever out is). We all know there's serious shit in there - shit that I do think will take her down, were it to come out, which it still may with the Rs on her tail.
I feel /think that the actual smart folks within the dem party know this very well, and are working right now to get her out of the race probably with a full pardon. Again, she is too deeply cornered to get away now. Are they going to up end Bernie ? Don't know...BUT, I feel there's a good chance that they won't. They know He'll keep on in the Senate anyway. They've watched his campaign , just like we have, and they know he's tapped into something DEEP in the American psyche. His brand of politics really doesn't hurt anyone, even Fat Cats., and it helps millions of people get back on their feet, it gets infrastructure rebuilt, banking rebuilt, etc. I think they are also looking at the YUUUGE meltdown a comin' and here again, Bernie has the answers and the mojo for that looming catastrophe. Call me naive, and we'll know soon enough, but I feel something roughly like that is happening behind the scenes. I think the smart people in both parties are looking at this. One weak, wounded dem candidate V a buffoon from hell R, both with huge unfavorables. They know full well that Bernie can actually unify and peacefully energize the voters. They know they've fucked things up beyond repair, and that it's New Deal Time. My feeling is, they're starting to feel the Bern !
I so hope you are right....
tocino8-
" Call me naive, and we'll know soon enough, but I feel something roughly like that is happening behind the scenes. I think the smart people in both parties are looking at this. One weak, wounded dem candidate V a buffoon from hell R, both with huge unfavorables. They know full well that Bernie can actually unify and peacefully energize the voters. They know they've fucked things up beyond repair, and that it's New Deal Time. My feeling is, they're starting to feel the Bern ! "
I so hope you are right.
Peace-
Murph
Me too. It seems like a slim possibility, still, but
the worm is turning.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
The worm is turning
Or werm, as we got into this morning on BNR !
Peace to you Murph..
...We shall see. If we had three "normal" candidates running in a "normal" time, I'd never go there. And really, for me, it comes down to what an astonishingly great candidate Bernie is - a man who could actually open that door. He has not wavered.
I don't know, fellow progressives.
To me, this is one mind blowing election year. I never thought Bernie's campaign would have received the traction it did. Then, to see the visceral reaction to it by the Democratic party was just too much to take. Instead of embracing a turn toward the roots of what made the party so great in the first place, they rejected it like hissing hyenas. All along attacking Bernie and his supporters personally, and purposely avoiding the issues. The Democratic party's moves this year have shown me just how fucking corrupt our government is. Now, I have to think: support the corrupt system or let it go down. The trouble is, I have many good friends that will be targeted by the Mule. This is the most horrid election ever. Just waiting for the mud slinging that will take place between David Brock and the Donald. Holy fuck is it going to be ugly. This is America, where we just don't have a sane fucking choice. Maybe it is really time to start considering the 3rd party option, I gotta go read more about Jull Stein and the Green Party.
You'll find she's very much like Bernie
and you'll probably realize, as I did, that the Green Party is where Bernie belongs and so do all of us.
I respectfully disagree
$Hillary is not the least bit like Bernie in her proposals....
She HAS, however, plagiarized Bernie's speeches enough that between her initial announcement of her candidacy with Wall Street buildings in the background and the DNC Summer Meeting in Minneapolis in Aug 2015 that HRC, DWS, some of the dais speakers all echoed Bernie's speeches from the spring/summer and sounded very much like Bernie!!! No one who had not listened to Bernie's speeches from the first to then would have picked up on that, and since Bernie spoke last (alphabetical order), I'm sure some thought he was imitating him, but those of us who by then practically had his stump speech memorized knew they had all plagiarized Bernie's stump speech.
Every line that Bernie says that gains him applause and cheers are lines that $Hillary has adopted to try to steal votes away from Bernie, and DWS quotes HRC who quotes Bernie without giving him credit. Listen to her first speech (it's on YouTube, I suppose), and you'll find it's very different from her current stump speeches.
We all know that if HRC were elected, she would revert back to her warmongering DINO self by the day after election day. The change would be so sudden we'd all suffer whiplash. Congressional members would stampede to microphones and cameras and announce further gridlock, investigations into her home server (which Bill had/has access to and could use for Clinton Foundation pay to play activities), and those of us who are old would start banging our heads against walls because we know before the fact that if she were elected there would be either threats or actual impeachment proceedings over that as well as Benghazi, etc.
We really do not have time for that nonsense. We have to get busy on climate change, alternative energy, and all the looooooong list of things that have been ignored for the last 25 years in favor of scandals, the first Clinton impeachment, illegal and unconstitutional wars & torture by the Bushistas (and certain Dems knew about that horror from the beginning), followed by Obama following in Dumbya & Dickie's footsteps (I notice no one has called for war crimes trials for any of their war crimes).
We can't go through all of that again without this country falling completely apart..., but lord love a duck, Moronic Media would be kept entertained and make money from yet another fucking Clinton scandal, Congress would still get nothing done, and the knowledge that our species will go extinct because no one is stopping the pollution will become a very real threat.
Enough is enough already!
We need to change course and elect Bernie!
Bernie or Bust!!!
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
Ummm, reread the thread?
I wasn't talking about Hillary, I was talking about the Green Party candidate.
Sorry; "She" was not named, so I assumed $Hillary.
Too many people have said $Hillary's positions are "just like Bernie's," and that is just simply not true - or, that difference was not true from $Hillary's first speech in that NYC park with Wall Street in the background. That speech is very different from later speeches where so many of her phrases are straight out of Bernie's stump speech, and usually the lines that garner the most applause and cheers from Bernie's supporters in the audience. $Hillary is great at plagiarizing.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
That's okay, I hate Hillary too
But Ranger's last sentence in his post was:
" Maybe it is really time to start considering the 3rd party option, I gotta go read more about Jull Stein and the Green Party. "
So I figure it really should have been easy to understand who "she" was.
Karma
Karma is a Bitch.
Especially when it catches up with you,
at the most inopportune times.
The Neo-Liberals' appointment was long overdue.
we all castigated the media for 'creating' trump...
obama did it at the correspondents dinner...
colbert has done it...
amy goodman has done it...
bill moyers...
cenk..
the internet....
but now the media is starting the realize they created not just one monster, but Two. clinton is the other. they created her as the Electable Monster That Will Beat Trump. they assumed the narrative they spun would wag reality. Instead, the tail wagged the dog. and now they got shit on their hands.
Meanwhile, TOP looks like redstate did during 2008....deep in denail, and an echo chamber. they ignore polls crashing for clinton just to focus on an anecdotal story of someone's mom who switched from bernie to clinton.
um ok.
did 9 months in California prison, because Neoliberal Democrats and GOP maggots work together to profit off the drug war
Not rambling at all
A clear and concise indictment of this useless political system we currently endure.
All Trump all of the time
Did anyone else catch Scott Adams on Bill Maher this past Friday? He made an excellent presentation on how Trump is using language and media to win the election. I don't know that he'll win in a landslide, but he has a pretty good advantage going into the general.
Meanwhile, the liberal blogosphere has already opened the Courvoisier for Clinton.