Drafting Warren for President
The Democrats must be aware by now that Hillary is damaged goods, can neither beat Trump, nor escape the FBI. The Democratic Socialist wing is not going to give her enough support to carry her to a victory even if the FBI sits on their digits, and Biden would have lost the same minute he was nominated a la Humphrey, as a huge contingent of delegates walk out and the streets turn into chaos.
Take Bernie then... he started saying the reason for his campaign was to bring the issues to the foreground, front, and center. So... I think Bernie can be convinced to get behind Warren in back-room deals and get 95% of Bernie supporters on board and do more campaigning in her favor. I think Warren would carry 95% of the Hillary Democrats. Bingo, a landslide for the Democrats.
Two scenarios: 1) Make sure the convention can neither be won by Bernie or Hillary on the first ballot and compromise on Warren with Bernie's support. 2) Nominate H. Clinton and E. Warren as VP and when H's fate looks like its time for an indictment, or it becomes crystal clear Trump is going to win, have her cough flare up and resign as nominee, leaving Warren in the front spot.
The problem (with me anyway) is that Warren is a foreign policy hawk, at least on so-called "Israel"... so the background deal is going to have to include a thunderous peace plank including fairness to Palestine, Latin America and the rest of the World.
Mind you, I have been vehemently critical of Warren on Palestine (and foreign policy) for months. But, I have already been posting elsewhere, as a wild semi-joke, "DRAFT WARREN", as a comeback to insulting posts about being a sexist and not wanting the "first woman President".
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From my pov, the answer is no.
It is too late. She had her chance. She wouldn't take it. We have a perfectly good candidate with a great platorm. It would be unfair to abandon Bernie for anyone. Now if Bernie decides to do something with Warren, it would be a different story.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Of course...
Bernie would have to be in full agreement. I am not going to try convincing him, and certainly not abandoning the campaign until at least the last convention vote. Just saying, if the traditional Democrats don't want to see themselves slaughtered by a CheezWhiz Mop, they either have to find someone the Democratic Socialist wing can accept or watch the biggest GE disaster since Reagan/Bush 2.
I don't know if I would support Warren even if Bernie would. Her policy towards Palestine is anathema. But, as I posted last year about Bernie's record on Palestine, I thought there was a very good chance he'd see the light from Jewish Voices for Peace and his brother Larry.
From the Light House.
no thank you, not a Warren fan
trojan horse, wolf in sheep's clothing, tool of the establishment, ex-Republican.
A big fat NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! n/t
No.
negatory
Don't believe everything you think.
The DNC...
Is going to ride the SS Clinton to the bottom of the North Atlantic.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
I think Rich is correct; and, Warner's tapped as the 'unifier,'
at least, according to many national campaign reporters (on XM), this will be her role at the Convention. Which is one reason that she's refused to endorse a Dem candidate.
Also, she's been part of the Dem Party Leadership since 2011. From Politico,
She is great on several issues, but she is too close to Leadership, IMO, to lead a revolution against them.
But, that's just my take; and, I've been wrong before.
Mollie
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I think you're on to something, Mollie.
It makes sense that she would be called upon to be the "unifier." Perhaps that's why she's all of a sudden Herr Drumpf's biggest critic. In my comment below, I questioned her actions - where was she when Donald was still running? Narry a peep! This makes total sense to me.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Probably underestimating Drumpf like everyone else.
I'm in agreement with most.
Warren had her chance to run. She chose not to because hrc is running. She could have endorsed Bernie but she didn't. All of a sudden, she is after Herr Drumpf, now that he has clinched the nomination - where was she on him during the actual run? I call that bullshit.
I like her, but that ship has sailed.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Good call, IMO
This is just another way to "move on" without Sanders, and I'm not really investing much in it, mostly because it's really not connecting the two concepts in terms of "unifying" (in other words, it's kinda falling flat, to that end)
And that is *nothing* against the original post or the poster--I disagree that Warren should be a savior. She's good right where she is in the Senate. I firmly believe, too, that any "unifying" needs to wait until everyone has voted. That she's not doing that is very troubling to me.
Thanks, luna - I agree
they might be trying to "move on" without Bernie. I keep saying this, but I have not voted yet! I don't vote until June 7th. I'm disappointed in her for succumbing to their tactics of unifying before every vote is cast and counted.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Hi Raggedy Ann,
I love to watch Elizabeth tear into the money changers, but what else is she up to? The I/P position is bad enough.
Awhile back, she started coming across to me as phony. She was terrible in a program where she and krugman were on the stage talking about economics, and, well, she seemed phony. I've had all of the phony I can stand.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
Not abandoning Bernie...
even though he is way to the right of my party (MAS)... nor advocating for Warren, just looking at ways the traditional Democrats might make a compromise to save their sorry asses. In the meantime, the one-sided flame war at another site is quite amusing.
From the Light House.
How does that work?
That's funny
They are content with losing...
...blaming it on us, and then colluding with the Republican'ts to pass their neoliberal agenda unabated...
I want my two dollars!
They can try to assign blame outwardly all they want
this time, it doesn't matter, because they've been left behind.
You can't blame others for something, and expect them to react like they always have in the past if they no longer give a shit about your reaction.
Starting to feel like "Let's make a Deal" with the DNC...
Only they're playing it wrong...
"What's the absolute LEAST you'll take to come back? And if you come back now, you might get what's behind door number one. Or not. Because you're greedy and want too much, even though we said you could have door number one."
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Love it....
SO true!
This is the bargaining phase
The timing is right for acceptance around convention time.
No. Bait and switch not acceptable.
This must be made clear to the PTB.
I wouldn't vote for Warren this way. She had her chance to make her case to the people in this election (for herself or for Sanders). She declined. She does good things where she is. Her decision to play Switzerland may have seemed advisable but can be described in other terms for a senator whose words and deeds show that she's from the Sanders wing of the party.
I will not vote for any "compromise" candidate, even Warren. I will not vote for any ticket that has Clinton on it or any of her BFFs. I will not vote for a status quo candidate like Biden, the amiable face of the establishment. I will vote for Sanders or Stein, period.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
And I would lose all respect for Warren if she would accept
a bait and switch deal after all the hard work that Bernie has done.
I actually don't think she would do it, but if she did, it would only prove she is not who I thought she was, so no thanks.
Definitely not.
She would be crushed. Everyone who voted for Clinton or Sanders would be outraged that the primary was ignored and taken out of their hands.
The only way to have a shot in the General is to win the nomination. The current system could be tweaked to be more democratic and to increase voter access, but having people at the convention just pick someone who didn't win, didn't even run makes a mockery of the entire concept of democratic elections.
I am sure there are other scenarios.
That is why I posted scenario 2. When/If H. Clinton is forced to resign for "health reasons", then a case could be made for the VP candidate to take on the role as P nominee. I am not saying I am for it. I am not saying its anything but a clusterfoock. What I am saying (asking) is just exalty what choice does the DNC have when Clinton is indicted, or ru ning 10 points behind CheezWiz.
From the Light House.
if clinton
were given the nomination you'd have to pry it from her cold dead hand (isn't that the phrase the gun lovers use?) to get it back.
Warren has a good handle on how to stop the $men from
screwing the little folks, and I'd be on the side that thinks she's pro lots of progressive ideas, but she has never struck me as someone who is interested in being on the international stage. Big fish in little pond?
Warren slipping into the nomination at the last minute
would be a lot like how Claire Underwood slithered into the VP slot. Of course, the Clinton's are a lot more like the Underwood's. Or the Lannister's to be sure.
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Nah, wait another four years.
That way democrats can have another hopey changey candidate all ready and raring to go. Maybe even start the next presidential campaign a year earlier.
This essay lasted fifteen
This essay lasted fifteen minutes on another site before it was flagged and hidden. "I’ve been watching him for a long time. Total troll." "This is f**King bullshit as dumbass diaries that are patrolling the rec list today". "Hard to compress thirty pounds of bullshit into a ten-pound bag, but nice try." Etc. on and on.
Hmm, then I watched the Morning Joe video posted on another thread, after going through a solid 10 pages of negative Clinton headlines (Google "News Clinton) from all the places that last week were on her cheerleading sguad. Her approval rating is at 30%, less than George Booshes the day he left office. I wonder what all those Demo Party banksters are thinking.
Once again, not advocating for Warren. If Bernie doesn't win the nomination I will neither support Billary, Trump, Biden and probably not Warren (because of foreign policy which could change). Hope Bernie wins. Probably support Green if he doesn't. It has come to my attention that my thoughts aren't very well received anywhere in America, so probably go back to racial equality, climate change and Palestine advocacy, for all it does to change anything, which is "approaching zero". American politics is a sinkhole. I am kind of sorry I got intellectually involved.
From the Light House.
I also very much enjoy your writing. My disagreement
was in no way, personal. And I hope that it wasn't taken as such.
Again, Warren has some very good attributes--especially, compared to many other Dem lawmakers. OTOH, I simply don't see her as anti-Dem Establishment enough to make much difference--whether she runs for President, or for VP.
Of course, that's just my 2 Cents!
YMMV; and that's fair enough.
Have a good one!
Mollie
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Hope you don't feel battered from writing here
You offered up thoughts and had responses. I didn't see anyone berating you for the thought or expression of it. The responses were largely negative to the idea of Warren as a compromise nominee, but you weren't treated badly for floating the idea.
Write what you wish here, I say. This community was founded on openness and deliberately without flags or downvotes. The responses will be courteous (or called out for bad behavior if they're not), and in content and number will tell you what topics speak to some or many of the people who congregate here.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Write what you wish..." I couldn't agree more strongly.
I wish there was more civil disagreement here, frankly. A lefty echo-chamber is just as tedious as any other. I'll go so far as to say I wish some dedicated-but-rational Clintonistas would have the guts to try to make their case here, but of course, centrist is just a shorter way of saying echo-chamber. (I mean, there must be some sort of plausible-sounding argument to make for Clinton's candidacy, right? a real-word cogent argument that doesn't sound like butbutbutTrump or It'sherturn.)
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
Aw, now
come on, Phil---*I'm* here
But seriously,
I honestly wouldn't think it was about "guts" as much as it is that there really is no rational case for her. Seriously! I never thought you were not rational--did I miss a case you made for her? I must have, because I would have at least read it...
Is this the new 'No Bernie' talking point?
Subtly played but not very well received.
Sorry but I think Bernie will wholeheartily support Biden/Warren
He said at the beginning that he was only running because no one else who would raise the issue of economic inequality would run.
And neither Biden nor (as far as we know) Warren is anything like Hillary on foreign policy. And they probably will not actively oppose the slow but steady shift going on about Isreal/Palestine.
(Just for the record, I would prefer a candidate who would dissolve national borders and the associated governments but then what have we got to replace them? -- These comments are just about what's going on this week.)
I don't think they have the guts to put that team up for a vote
The endless trial balloons to this end are just not real impressive.
Like so many aspects of the
Like so many aspects of the system, Bernie's campaign has pulled the curtain back on much of what the oligarchy wanted us to believe. The mythology of Elizabeth Warren as being a progressive in the arena with Bernie to fight for the poor and middle class, the end of war for profit and it's inevitable mass destruction of life, resources, community and culture, and to fight for the environment has been revealed as one more way for the oligarchy to keep us appeased. She provides the status quo with the illusion of allowing dissent and the chance of change, but with no real possibility of that happening. When push came to shove, Elizabeth is one of them, falling in line to fight Trump for Hillary, campaigning her in all but name. Did you know that she voted against GMO labeling? That says everything I need to know. And her foreign policy positions stink.