So Now We're Quitters, Huh? Takes One to Know One.
There's a diary over at TOP (Yeah...don't ask me why I'm even writing about them. Old habits, I suppose.) that accuses those of us who feel the Democratic Party has left us of being quitters. To those folks who believe that I say, 'It takes one to know one.' Why? Well, let's face it: The Democratic Party has been full of quitters since Bill Clinton first took office. Essentially, quitting is all they've ever really done for the last 25 years.
They quit on us when they embraced policies with strong right-wing roots. They have either met or exceeded some of the worst betrayals of the Republican Party with things like Welfare 'Reform', Criminal Justice 'Reform', NAFTA, the end of Glass Steagall, the consolidation of media, the Affordable Care Act and so on. Yet, we're the quitters? I don't think so.
You see, quitting would be falling in line with a candidate that has nothing but contempt and disdain for us in fear of another candidate who has the same and worse. Both Hillary's and Trump's supporters are doing what they're doing out of fear. Why would anyone with any sense of decency fall in line with that? Especially when in another 4 years we'll just see another boogeyman that the media and the Democratic Party want us to be afraid of so they can keep drawing and quartering us to death.
Refusing to be a part of that may be quitting, perhaps, but we're quitting for the right reasons. In my case, at least, I simply refuse to be a part of a group who has essentially said my voice doesn't matter. And besides, I'm tired of being constantly afraid anyway. And manipulated into serving interests that will do myself and so many others great harm. Do we really wanna keep living like that? Giving the worst of us more power for the sake of temporary comfort?
Like the Sith Lord Kel'eth Ur said: It's a lie. Fear is a lie. Passion, a lie. Fear gives temporary power. And passion is easily manipulated. Real strength in The Force comes when one is no longer afraid. And one can purge fear when one stops grasping after power, after things, after life itself, and allows The Force to guide him. There is only The Force.
So let's face the facts here: What we're doing isn't quitting. Not in the least. We're letting go. And that's exactly what Hillary, Donald, their supporters, their spokespeople, the media etc. don't want us to do. I only wish I could help others do the same.
See ya around,
Aspie
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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
I quit believing the lie that a vote for the top D, is better
Than the alternative. They both suck and lead to the same place
Go Bernie!
What I find humorous is the insinuation that the
"revolution" will take place within the democratic party. The democratic party is the establishment, it's a political party that serves the ruling class first and foremost. And it's a party whose leadership and partisan base wants a war criminal, another war criminal after Obama, to head its party. To suggest that the establishment is going to challenge itself is absurd. The problem is going to come for some when Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton and asks his supporters to do the same in order to defeat Donald Trump. The revolution will have to continue on without Bernie at that point or it will die in the Democratic party.
So when is the REAL Revolution
going to start, Al?
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Soon B, soon.
Possibly an informative answer to Bisbonian and others:
Exiled on Main Street: urban utopian insurrection
Sounds very much like c99p's Resilience group.
Daviid Graeber should be required
reading for everyone who wants to
break free of the brainwashing of our
corporate overlords.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
A thought:
If I find time, some additions to the Resilience Library might be old McGuffey's Readers. At least for reading comprehension in English. I had some Grandparent copies.
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An *excellent* recommendation, riverlover!
If we are going to decentralize - as we
must to survive - we absolutely cannot
forget to include educating the youngest
among us, which starts with reading
and maths.
I am not familiar with McGuffey's
Readers, but from exploring the Amazon
link you provided plus your own
recommendation - I take it you're an
educator - I believe every Resilience
community should invest in at least one
set of these books.
Do you have a recommendation for
early childhood maths books?
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
I am an educator only in being
and have no training. self-taught. I was taught @ home some 60 years ago with workbooks put out by SMSG (school mathematics study group). A wikipedia link I found. I was taught primes, negative numbers (may never have to use them again, haha), repeating series and number interest. By third grade at home. Texts seem to be available.
I never considered myself clever at knowledge transfer to yute. But an aha! moment is priceless. Yay, ideas for the Resilience Library for the yute!
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My mother
had no "training" either, but was the best educator in all my many years of formal "education." She taught me a love of reading, and took all four of us children when young to the public library every Thursday.
I learned more from libraries and bookstores than I ever did in classrooms.
Edited to regularize formating
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
That looks like quite a read.
It will take me a bit...but it looks like what we want.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I've always liked Butler.
Ever since reading of his role in preventing the coup against Roosevelt. Do you have a citation for the quote? It reminds me of a story my father-in-law told me about riding atop a Chinese freight train at the end of WWII. He was "the coldest he'd ever been, or would ever be" and he realized that the machine gun he was riding with was not there to protect democracy, but to protect the big corporations gearing up to move into China.
Counterpunch
NPR
Prison Planet
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Check out these sites ...
http://warisaracket.org
and
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
which has the full text of Butler's pamphlet.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
thanks
n/t
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terriertribe: Butler's role in the plot to assassinate FDR
Be sure not to miss it!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
Also, it's well worth reading about all of Butler's fascinating life:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
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I donated
again to Bernie last night. This time, for the first time, a box popped up and said "tell us a little about you". My first thought was, which I typed in the box, was "Bernie, should this primary be stolen from you and clinton is the nominee, please do not endorse her. This would splinter the revolution you created. If you endorse her you are condoning the immoral and criminal theft of our democracy. You are condoning rigged elections and voter suppression."
Bernie or Bust...
I can't seem to find all these Bernie supporters
who are going to vote Hillary in the general--I've only met one, and I'm not sure he's still in that category.
That said, I know that anecdotal individual experience does not necessarily reflect reality, and sometimes statistics and social science do get it right.
*That* said, I also know that poll results can be manipulated by any reasonably competent social scientist.
FWIW, I don't think there's going to be any big flood of Bernie supporters to Hillary in the general. This is the most independent-minded, non-personality-driven electoral campaign I've ever been part of. I think it must be b/c a lot of independents changed party affiliation to support Bernie, which means that a lot of these "Democrats" actually have no loyalty to the party in the first place.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
And yet the Clintonites keep falsely assuming
that this is a personality-driven electoral campaign. In a way, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because Hillary has shown herself to not have the most endearing personality.
Beware the bullshit factories.
How many of us quitters are there?
(may our numbers grow)
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
I'm impressed. Normally it takes...
A twelve Step Program to break out of that kind of abuse...
Here all we did is say, NAH, I think I'm going to stop being a punching bag.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
This disn't stick firs time around - my comment in that diary
A minor point — it isn’t necessary to change the Democratic party in order to change the country. It depends upon the goal of the revolution whether or not working from within the party is a proper utilization of resources. If it isn’t, then appropriate action elsewhere isn’t so much quitting as it is simply common sense.
Example: The Free Speech Movement did not change University policy by slowly burrowing into and then climbing the rungs of the University Administration so they could try to push it through from the top, but by challenging the University head on, taking it to the streets (in a manner of speaking) and to the courts. We would still be drafting people to fight in Vietnam if it were left up to changing party support for the draft and the war itself within both parties, it needed direct action. The political parties of the day began to grudgingly accept unions and women’s suffrage as a result of direct action.
The Civil War ended in 1865. Brown v Board of Education was 1954. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was, oddly enough 1964. The schools are still massively segregated and the Clinton/DLC “Crime Bill” of 1994 was pretty much nothing but a direct assault on persons of color and their neighborhoods in order to keep them in their place and has resulted in mass incarceration and disenfranchisement. Then there’s all the other disenfranchisement. Society as a whole is still generally racist. It is now 2016. The case can be made that we don’t need another Hubert Humphry, but another Martin Luther King, not another Jimmy Carter, but another Malcolm X.
Just “correcting the record” as they say.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1529323/61701300#comment_61701300http:/...
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Respectfully disagreeing
Another MLK? Certainly like to see them, but the world is lucky to get even one in a lifetime.
I think we need another Jimmy Carter AND another Malcolm X.
Ah, who am I kidding, we could probably even use another HHH too.
I think we need all the help we can get.
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We need the yute, pre-contamination
and encourage useful group-derived solutions or tests, not spend 5 years in Committee. Tick, tick.
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especially them
Or else it's all over when we're gone. Maybe sooner. Giants don't grow on trees.
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Clone from oaks.
Don't rely as first new source on acorns. Faster.
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yep, I quit beating my head against a concrete wall.
And feel much better now.
And so now I'm ready to join a movement to build something good for humanity. Hope many many others are also.
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
Thought provoking quotes can come from unlikely sources.
When I think of those who are willing to accept the status quo,who are motivated by fear or narrow self interest
(in other words establishment Democrats)I think of a phrase from Daryl Hall of all people.
"The strong give up and move on while the weak give up and stay."
Having said that I'll be keeping my Dem registration for awhile longer.If we can't hijack the party we can at
least monkeywrench it by voting for insurgent candidates in the mid-term primaries.
Solidarity
The battle lines drawn, outcome uncertain,
I am finding it hard to pity the status quo-ers, like those like at TOP. And then feel bad, I control no one's destiny but my own. I guess I color myself disappointed. Not sure of color attribute.
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Or as Yoda would say:
Some things are good to quit: heroin, an abusive spouse, cigarettes, dKos, Hillary.
Or (in my best Yoda voice):
Good to you, it is not.
Good for you, it is not.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Good comment, that is.
Beware the bullshit factories.
I think I've found a sig line.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
I'm sure they believe that.
They also think that Hillary is honest, trustworthy, and liberal at heart, so take their opinion for what it's worth: absolutely nothing. These are the same individuals who subscribe to the fallacious binary thinking that assumes that everyone on the left is going to vote Democratic simply because they're "pragmatists" that want to stem the tide of a Republican agenda, even if they have to elect a milquetoast corporatist to do it. They think you owe them your vote because it's the "responsible" thing to do. Well, they severely miscalculated how much people dislike Hillary Clinton and what she stands for.
I honestly don't know what they expect to accomplish by further denigrating and insulting those of us that feel that the Democratic Party no longer represents us. Are we supposed to reconsider and stay? Do they expect us to ask for forgiveness and beg to be taken back into their good graces? Is hurling false accusations and calling us every name in the book supposed to make us come to our senses? The neoliberal elite honestly don't understand how bad things are in the country right now for the vast majority of Americans, and they probably think that we should be kissing their collective asses for making things so "great" (like Hillary's slogan purports). Well, if they refuse to listen, fuck 'em. They need us a hell of a lot more than we need them, especially since a lot of us are at the point where we have nothing left to lose.
I always prefered dune for this one too.
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
See, their morals, their code... it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be.
-The Joker-
Quit? I could never join in the first place
You see, Democrats hate the anti-war left even more than they hate Republicans. I've known that since Vietnam.
The Democratic party
is the Clintons. They and their neo-liberal friends hijacked it years ago and remade it in their own image. The relationship that they have with the members of the Democratic party is an abusive one. It uses fear, strong arming, and humiliation as its weapons. As an example, look at how Bill Clinton dissed Jesse Jackson to his face with the Sista Souljah speech. One cannot stay and change the abuser because the abuse will continue and usually it escalates. It is not quitting to leave an abusive relationship in search of a better life. It is a courageous and very smart decision.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
What an excellent and succinct description
of what has happened to the Democratic
Party, gulfgal!
Thank you so much. I hope it helps others
in the process of giving up decades of
devotion to what has turned out to have
been a scam for at least twenty-five years now.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
And to conceive of the piles of money that took!
Fairly cheap for ROI. I was shocked by R de 14's sigline above. A true statement. Our first black president bombed Africa. Now we kick and scream and die. Others, too.
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I didn't quit their crappy party....
it quit me when it went crappy.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
They walked away from US. n/t
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Love it or leave it ... and if you leave you are a quitter ...
... and not American enough. Apparently very few see this as manipulative, if not abusive argumentation.
Above is a standard reaction to immigrants into the US, who discover they don't like something about the US and dare to say so.
As an immigrant you get used to this kind of thinking and try to ignore it.
Just saying...nothing new.
https://www.euronews.com/live
That always looked rather one-sided to me
I never noticed the tea party, the birthers, the "silent majority", the ... jumping up and saying "Hey! We hate what America has become -- let's leave!" It always seems to work out that they want us to leave when we think things need fixing.
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Reading my comment above, apparently I am part of the problem
I hate it when I lapse into us and them speech.
That doesn't mean, however, that I think that I am wrong when I think that some of us, especially those of us over there, are idiots.
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Oops.
how do you move a comment you accidently entered at the wrong level?
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How can you quit something
you were never part of in the first place?
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
This is great:
Both Hillary's and Trump's supporters are doing what they're doing out of fear. Why would anyone with any sense of decency fall in line with that?
I salute you. That's a great moral statement.
Especially when in another 4 years we'll just see another boogeyman that the media and the Democratic Party want us to be afraid of so they can keep drawing and quartering us to death.
And that is a great pragmatic statement.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Markos quit the GOP.
So did a lot of Republicans. They control the Democratic Party now. Which is why I'm not a democrat anymore (except temporarily until the convention is done).
I think 25 years of quitting is a kind estimate.
Weren't there "Reagan Democrats" in 1980, or was that 1984? I suspect quitting has its roots in aging out of the draft.