Time for the UN Monitors?
How does one contact the United Nations and get taken seriously enough to want to help us ensure fair elections?
Because this has become unacceptable. In my estimation, after this weekend's shenanigans, waiting until the convention in Philadelphia is too late. Bernie Sanders cannot handle this task and campaign at the same time. It is up to US to get the ball rolling.
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/issues/electoralassistance.shtml
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/about/contact.asp
It's time to get serious about this. The people of Nevada have blatant cheating documented on video. Countless Americans have stories to tell, including this one, from previous primaries.
All ideas/assistance welcome. We have to start somewhere, somehow, with this, IMO Nobody is going to help us, we have to help ourselves.
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I got as far as learning that
UN Peacekeepers do this kind of monitoring. How can we determine our ability to be protected? Who do we contact? How should they be contacted?
As noted in my comment below
I sent an email to the UN expressing my concerns.
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/about/contact.asp
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That is great, thanks for doing that!
I need to check more into this when I get home later--I was eating my lunch when I posted it. So damned disgusted with all these stories--I can't believe, these alleged Democrats in positions of power are just blatantly, obviously, openly cheating. It's like they're DARING us to try and stop them. So in my mind, that's what we need to try and do, and thinking of the UN, that was what I decided we should try (or at least investigate trying it).
Me Too
Your idea looked good to me. I doubt we'll get any response, but it felt like I was thumbing my nose at the corrupt Clinton's and their machine. It is so frustrating when there is no real remedy for this kind of dishonesty. Win or lose, we need to join the Greens and make them a potent force for people over the oligarchs.
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
Happening in Oregon
registrations got changed to "not-affiliated". Got to go try to get a provisional ballot.
Seething mad right now. Yes, I sent this to the bernie voter hotline.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
You're shitting me.
FFS. THIS HAS GOT TO BE STOPPED.
Tell me about it!
I'll update the post later, but meantime, here's the short version: I walked into my precinct to early-vote back in....what was it when Florida voted, March? I walk in, get ID'd, sign my name, and turn around--and there's the clerk, printing my ballot out on her laser jet printer.
Now, I'm not stupid--I know this is bullshit immediately, right? But I decide to take the "Funny" route (my "resting bitch face" is scary and there was a cop hanging around the door). So I look the lady dead in the eye, and I say "Well! That's ONE way to keep from running out of ballots, isn't it? Good for you!!!" She must have turned five different shades of lighter-white-than-she-already-was. The precinct captain came running--I mean hauling ass--across the room, because....I don't know, did she sense trouble? Very loudly, she says "OH, NO, NO PROBLEMS HERE! Here, you just fill that out and then bring it to us"...so I did. I wanted to take a pic of my ballot, too, but couldn't (sign said "Turn off all electronic devices before entering"). So I filled in the one dot and walked it back up. This woman practically tore it out of my hand, and I was escorted--yes, really--escorted out the side door before I could see what happened.
My money says she didn't do shit with it but throw it away. They can't just print ballots on the printer! It doesn't work like that!
But I couldn't prove it, so what could I do?
Got a provisional ballot
The only registration file they had on me was from when I first moved to Oregon in 2006. I had been an Independent up untill we moved here - whole reason I changed to Democrat was because Oregon has closed primaries. So in 2006 I changed to Dem. In November of 2015 I had it confirmed at the DMV that I was a Dem. O April 10th I had it confirmed again that me and my son were Dems.
My husband has been a Dem the entire time here in OR. They had nothing for him. Just a handwritten INDEPENDENT.
I am beyond pissed.
Fuckers won't take my vote. 5 people were in line behind me all the same thing. Long time Democrats who go non-partison ballots.
Fuck this shit. It's time to quit acting like sheep. It's time to burn down this pathetic way of "voting".
I got a provisional but was told that the presidential vote may not be cast - it's a case by case thing.
BS!
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
What's that sound?
It sounds like...pitchforks...sharpening.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
This is so wrong!
It's time for Bernie to take a stand! It's time for him to stand up against these bullies! Bernie needs to get in Bernie Beast Mode! He needs to speak up and stand up for us. He has the bully pulpit NOW and he needs to use it NOW!
I hate this happened to you Janet! It's wrong! You do not deserve this treatment! We do not deserve this treatment!
a quick check on reddit
and it's happening in Kentucky, too. Here in Arizona, it wasn't ALL Bernie supporters. About 1% of the victims were Hillary supporters. "See, it's happening to both sides..."
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
They pulled the same kind of thing in NV on Saturday.
"Oh, 8 Hillary delegate were flagged." Of course, those 8 were quickly credentialed. Meanwhile, 64 Bernie delegates were flagged and only a handful were subsequently credentialed. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that whenever there's a screw-up it affects Bernie 10 to 1.
My kids are just beyond shocked
they KNOW that America is all about the 1%. Hell, my kids have protested and march against the illegal wars. They are aware.
But last night... when we sat down to do our ballots...
Not being able to vote... that's very unsettling. I'm actually glad they are seeing it so they will always know to be vigilant.
I will NEVER not check my ballot again.
We are being cheated, folks.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
enhydra lutris put up a diary on this OT
And it is being called CT.
Most comments are "How would they know that they are Bernie supporters"? and other suck bullshit.
The fact that this has happened in state after state doesn't bother the Hillary supporters one fucking bit.
And of course the fearless leader had to weigh in on the 'violence' of what happened in Nevada.
As others have pointed out, if there had been chairs thrown or people rushing the stages, where the hell are the arrests?
Good luck getting this straightened out in time, but it is very clear to me that this election is being stolen and in broad daylight and the Hillary supporters are blaming Bernie.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
We have even voted overseas... nothing like this has ever
happened to us.
I've been holding my nose here for ten years being registered as a democrat. Ten years of voting and now this. Says I'm nonaffiliated.
Robbed.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
The desperation is telling
I love the smell of flop sweat in the afternoon.
Someone get word to the Senator that we have his back, hm?
Duplicate
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Email update
Got an email from Bernie's Voter Protection Team:
Janet, thank you for following up on this. We certain understand how painful and frustrating this is. Please continue tracking your provisional ballot and following up with your county elections office, and keep us apprised. We will do what we can to help.
As I mentioned, we're here to support voters who report problems with voting, including discrepancies with registration and/or balloting of the sort you describe. As you know, there are various sources of confusion in the vote by mail process, and we do our our best to track these reports to assess any patterns or causes for concern.
Bernie 2016
Voter Protection Team
503.928.6950
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
The problem is the US is too powerful
I don't think UN peacekeepers would come in and monitor. After all, we're the beacon of freedom and democracy in the world - har har - so UN monitoring would be a blatant admission that we're not. Which would be very antagonistic to the angry giant America, and no one wants to get in THOSE crosshairs.
I'd be very surprised if the UN would take any action.
Edited: To fix multiple typos...
we also have veto power over every
action of the UN. And use it often.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I didn't know that Bisbonian
Are we the only member with that power? How is that fair? I thought it was a league of nations with equal say... I become more disillusioned about the world on a daily basis now.
We basically created the UN
Five nations initially had veto power (you know, big important ones). A few have been added, fairly recently.
We use it to quash any dissent against the US, and more often, to head off resolutions against Israeli wrong-doing.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
The five victorious Allies of WW II have that veto power:
The U.S., Britain, France, Russia, and China — the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council.
The other, limited-term members of the Security Council do not have a veto.
Ah, I did not realize
the distinction. I had thought that more vetoes might get a bit unwieldy...so this makes sense (in an authoritarian sense).
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Oh and another fact listed by
Oh and another fact listed by the research for "Lord of War" all of the 5 members of the UN security council are the largest arms makers/dealers on the frigging planet, of course they can also allow proxy death merchants to collect and sell the tools of war/destruction to other nations and groups for profits.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
Better name for Security Council would be Hypocrisy Council. n/t
League of Nations with equal say...HA!!!!
Sorry but since my state (NY) voted I have been alternating between blinding rage and utter
despondency.
And...no, not all the nations have equal say. See Superpowers, permanent members of the UN and veto, which nation has used them most in the last six decades. I'll give a hint, it's two nations and both start with United and follow with States and Kingdom.
What's more...the so called UN Peacekeepers just to the US bidding. Peacekeeping my ass. But that's neither here nor there right now, except that the US controls the UN too, mostly.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Yeah - equal say sounds ridiculous, I know
I knew that in practice, the US and UK would have have most weight, but I guess I thought there was at least a pretense of equality in theory, if not in practice. Silly me...
Would ex-President Carter take this on?
He's said publicly that we are no longer a democracy, and he's done election monitoring in other countries. He should get at least some media attention.
I'd love to see that.
My partner and I were both elections monitors, a couple months ago, for the Arizona "Presidential Preference Election". Today is another election, a special election for two ballot initiatives (both bad). But the rules have been changed. Instead of us, and a couple friends, taking shifts at the polls, this time, only five observers were allowed, for the entire county (bigger than Rhode Island, area-wise). So she is trying to cover five far-flung polling places by herself today, and will be mostly driving, all day. And I am not. (She is a county 'precinct captain').
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
So would I.
Carter might even have the courage to do it.
Although, he's such a family man, that I wonder whether he would want to expose his kids and grandkids to risk - these people play dirty. Not necessarily through violence, but there are other ways to hurt people when you have all the power.
If it wasn't for his family, he might actually do something.
Of course, the media would just say he was going crazy, or the cancer had affected his sanity. Anything can be ignored when the entire MSM wants it to be.
I'm starting to think there's no saving this situation. All avenues of positive action are closed. The decline is going to happen the slow and painful way and until it does, no rebuilding can be done. I'm feeling pretty disheartened lately. I was hopeful, but now that I'm seeing the extent to which they will blatantly cheat and lie and NO ONE CARES... well, I don't see how we can do anything constructive at all. Sorry for being such a downer. It comes in waves...
my thoughts exactly
He is totally unbiased in this area, if JC can put some gears into motion, I would be happy to volunteer in any way that would be constructive.
I would think Mike Papantonio
might have some ideas. He is the progressive lawyer featured on Ring of Fire and sometimes TYT shows.
His email on the lawyer's site is:
mpapantonio@levinlaw.com
However as it's not a personal legal matter, I would not prefer to contact him this way. If there is another way to contact, such as Ring of Fire producers, I'll try to look into that and see if he can express an interest.
President Carter has said in
President Carter has said in the past that the US doesn't meet their qualifications to be monitored. We don't have a verifiable vote, so they can't lend their stamp of authenticity.
But maybe he would have some
But maybe he would have some suggestions of how to proceed?
Do we have any info on what those qualifications are?
I can't seem to find them, I'm curious to understand what they need to see that is "verifiable"?
Don't think for a minute that I disagree--I'm sure he's correct, I just wonder what the exact criteria is.
Never thought of tapping Carter for this
I like it.
We should draft a letter. I can try and work on one.
I've thought about the whole "The UN IS the US, and monitoring us would be an admission of hypocrisy", and y'all are right, that would be a tough sell. What I was hoping to find was a list of requirements to have it done, and I have not been able to find anything documented...
Perhaps we could ask Carter to attend the convention
as an unofficial observer. If he requests MSM attention, he would get it.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
Carter is a
Superdelegate I think
If THEY have already taken control
what do we do? Stern letters are passe. Egging innocent buildings?
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I think the latter would be labeled
'Terrorism'. And the results might be unpleasant.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
It's a little more serious than that
Egging buildings isn't quite what I was getting at
Carter
He's be a good one to ask for suggestions. Given his age and health, I'd not ask him to take it on
Another Obama disgrace....
Besides protecting the banks, torturers, and fueling the bathroom wars to divert voters attention from money and power, wtf has he or his AG done?
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Which one?
The old one went after government and other whistleblowers, IIRC.
I doubt the new one will investigate voter fraud. Because then it would ruin Barack Obama's precious Legacy.
Contact Jimmy Carter --
http://www.cartercenter.org/index.html
He can direct you to the appropriate UN agency, as he serves as an election monitor all the time.
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Interesting, apparently the Carter Center has been
looking at this:
http://blog.cartercenter.org/2016/02/22/new-project-examines-u-s-laws-on...
I didn't realize there was an agreement to observe elections... I wonder if that could be ramped up?
That is awesome, thanks for sharing this link
Soon as I can get all these folks off my phone, I may even update the post with it. Excellent, HK
I sent an email to the UN
expressing my concerns. I asked whether citizens could request electoral assistance or must it come from governments. I told them I was concerned about the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia this July.
If I get more than an autobot form letter in reply, I'll let everybody know.
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/about/contact.asp
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Maybe
some form or type of a petition should be started to be sent to the U.N. and or Carter.
Thank you so much
For taking this approach with election monitoring and the UN. I have actually been thinking about this exact thing myself. Perhaps we can all coordinate on this, including some voter integrity groups that could be trusted?
does someone know someone who knows someone who....
....knows President Jimmy Carter? i used to live in south GA in the 80's not too far from Plains. that's as close as i ever got to the man, so i'm no help.
Jimmy Carter
Didn't Jimmy Carter suggest something like that a couple elections ago? I think so, but my memory could have it wrong.
Never mind. I see this was addressed up thread. Sorry.