Whoa! 91.41% of Bernie Sanders supporters will NOT support Hillary Clinton if she is nominee!
Submitted by vl baker on Mon, 05/09/2016 - 9:44am
I have spent the last three months compiling data over three separate surveys. At 95% confidence, and within a 3.7% +/- margin of error, 91.41% of Bernie Sanders supporters will not be voting for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee.
Now that I have your attention, let’s talk about why that is. Bernie Sanders supporters consist of a diversity of people, from all walks of life. Each demographic has their own motives, but essentially what it boils down to is that we disagree on a fundamental level about money in politics.
A lot of data and research went into this study. Even if results are a little high, this is devastating news for the DNC.
I encourage you to read the entire study. Lots of figures and graphs.
Comments
Lifelong Democrat
66 years old and I wouldn't vote for Hillary if you put a gun to my head. I won't vote for Trump, but he's clearly the lesser of two fascists.
this isn't a real scientific poll - just used SurveyMonkey?
especially if at the top of your survey you write "This is a survey for disproving the "Only 25% of Bernie Sanders supporters WILL NOT vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee" theory."
So what you have are people who see that and then fill out the survey because they agree with the idea of Bernie or Bust.
My guess is most people who voted (or will vote for) Bernie will vote for Clinton, due to the alternative(s) being worse or ineffectual.
Strongly disagree with this:
"My guess is most people who voted (or will vote for) Bernie will vote for Clinton, due to the alternative(s) being worse or ineffectual."
I disagree. Strategically, President Trump is a better choice than putting the Clintons back in the White House. It is imperative to get the Democratic Party out of the clutches of the criminal Clintons/DLC/Third Way. No more dynasties. Even the Republicans were able to avoid that.
Still think there is a possibility of a President Sanders. If he isn't the nominee, I look with many for creating another way to change the political system to include another political party.
Short term consequence of a President Trump difficult, but not as impossible as the thought of Clintons back in the White House. Look how they behave now, hard to imagine how much worse if they are in the protected position of Executive Office.
Clinton Global Foundation should be enough to disqualify them from public office of any kind.
Strategy doesn't figure in here. Fear and ignorance are more
important factors. Most Sanders folks will vote D out of fear.
Sanders folks are not swayed by bogus fear tactics
sorry. Strategy is going to figure in this time.
Some of you who think otherwise really, seriously need to reconsider this assumption. The Democratic Party has been a sham for the last 3 5 years and a lot of folks caught on this year, thanks to Sanders.
If he goes away, so do his voters. Bet on it.
I run a weekly canvass for Sanders.
The half dozen or so precincts my turf covers are running about 50/50, and I estimate about 75% of the Sanders supporters will vote Hillary if she is the nominee. I don't like it any more than you do, but this is what I'm seeing in a fairly Democratic CD14 in CA.
I would love for a polling outfit to have "Who did you vote for in your state's primary or caucus?" as an exit poll question. I may actually propose that to the group I am in planning to continue the movement.
At this point, though, the anger among people who are Bernie or Bust (I am in that group, by the way) is palpable. One has suggested that they don't think peaceful change is possible. I bet more than that are thinking it. I don't think things are to that point, but I do think we are possibly at a very dangerous moment in this country's history.
Very interesting comment
Thank you for sharing it with us. And thank you for all the canvassing work you are doing.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
That's a very wealthy CD
The peninsula of the Bay Area, including places like Hillsborough where a lot of wealthy people live. I'm hoping it's a bit different in the East Bay (Oakland and Berkeley) and North Bay(Marin, Sonoma). The whole upper portion above the Bay Area up to Oregon should give Bernie a lot of support. Also all the more conservative independents in the Central Valley and South of LA to San Diego can't vote for Trump (which doesn't matter anymore anyway) but can vote in the Democratic primary.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Yes, that's true, but it also has pockets of working
class folks and immigrant communities.
Either way, I think the softness or hardness of support is not as tied to demographics as which candidate one supports is.
No doubt a lot of Sandernistas will hold their collective nose
and vote for Clinton in the end...
but I suspect that an extraordinarily high number just won't. A great many habitual GOP voters will just say no to Trump as well. Clinton vs. Trump is the ultimate vote suppressor, far more effective than old-fashioned tactics like voter ID. Maybe nominating the two least popular candidates in the history of modern polling isn't the very best means of generating voter enthusiasm after all. A lot of potential voters will just shrug their shoulders and say "why bother?"
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
I mentioned above
that I can see a fair number of moderate Republicans (like my sisters) voting for Clinton -- they don't have the Clinton hate that galvanizes much of the ultra-right, and they did just fine back in the 1990s.
Are your sisters
aware of actual fact, as opposed to "The Clinton Hate"? Because many folks like to conflate the two, like it's all bullshit and she's just the bestest candidate ever and never did anything wrong, when we all do know better than that
If your GOP relatives are anything like mine, they might listen and they might not--I was just curious if you'd tried to clue them in or if the subject ever came up? I'd be curious to know. We have two "moderate" sorts in our family purview--one is still voting for Trump (yeah, well, we used to think of her as moderate??? I don't know if that vote disqualifies her or not, lol). The other is just flat-out abstaining from voting--which, we all tried to tell him he's nuts, but to him, "they both suck and I'm not perpetuating either one", etc.
Yep, and that is Hillary's strategy:
depress the Independent turnout, turn out the mindless zombie and generational D "base," and, now apparently, syphon off just enough moderate R's to edge out a victory. It is one of the most cynical things I've seen in politics. And it makes fools out of any self-described liberal or progressive who votes for her.
That might be the case for the lifelong Ds
but the newer voters among the millenials as well as the independents/no party preference folks have no brand loyalty. They'll either vote Jill Stein (if the Green Party takes advantage of the situation and gets an actual campaign going) or they'll sit out the election -- either way a Clinton candidacy will likely depress the vote in down-ticket races.
When someone like me, who's been a registered Dem since the 1980s (and only registered Republican in 1980 to vote against Reagan in the California Primary), seriously considers voting for a 3rd party, the DNC better damn worry about those meddling kids (and their dogs).
I completely agree about the millennials and other
younger voters. The millennials will not vote for someone just because they have a D beside her name. They know the bullshit and they really do not like either party. They are supporting Bernie because of his ideas and mostly because he is authentic. Hillary does not have an authentic bone in her body.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Yes, That coupled with the Truthectomy she obviously underwent
are a surefire way to alientate both the youth and anti-establishment voters.
I stated from before either candidate announced that the only way the Dems could lose in 2016 is if they nominated Hillary and they are working overtime to prove me right, lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
The (many) Sanders folks I know
Myself included, aren't afraid and certainly aren't ignorant. Quite the contrary.
Anyone who's counting on our votes for HRC, should she be the nominee, is going to be sorely, sorely disappointed.
Honest to God
if they want to get close, they just need to tally up all his votes, and then figure they need that many from the Thug contingent.
Boy, ain't it great to know that The Democrats don't want us anymore? It's almost liberating.
My hope is liberals finally wake up
and do something about it.
Out of fear, or maybe out of necessity,
in some instances.
We know one young couple (both are college students) who would never vote for anyone but Bernie--no way, no how. But, these kids are quite comfortable. IOW, since their parents can easily afford to finance their educations, they will feel absolutely no financial pressure if a free education system doesn't materialize. (They've made it plain to us that this is their highest priority, as a political issue.)
Another young couple (also, students) that we know, has a great deal more in the way of financial obstacles and/or pressures. They don't really care for FSC--at all. But, it seems that they might be willing to accept her as Prez if she offers educational financial help. (I haven't closely followed 'what' her education policy is, but they have. I know that it's not as expansive.) It would be understandable, that some, especially youth voters, might feel that they have no choice (because of student loans). But, it's definitely a sad situation.
I certainly don't have a crystal ball, but if I had to guess, I'd figure that some older folks (i.e., Boomers) who've seen this Party grow so corrupt and corporatist over the decades, and who, in some cases, might have more financial security--'might' represent a fairly high number of the 1/3 [of Bernie Supporters] who are so emphatically opposed to her.
One thing I do know--none in our extended Family, of any age, will ever pull the lever for another Clinton.
Period. Full stop. End of story.
In Loving Memory Of Sweet Kaya, SOSD Rescue
Mollie
“Love makes you stronger, so that you can reach out and become involved with life in ways you dared not risk alone.”--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
OT, but I gotta say, Kaya looks like a sweetheart!
I'm so sorry for your loss. Have you written a diary about her?
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Thank you, elenacarlena! I plan to
post a little blurb about Kaya at Evening Blues, fairly soon.
She was not my dog. She was adopted by an American family from SOSD, or Save Our Street Dogs, which is a very worthy dog rescue organization, and one of two rescues that I sometimes blog about, or include in my signature line.
Her story is a touching one. And I'm sure that 'her people' would appreciate your kind words.
Have a good one!
Mollie
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage."--Lao Tzu
In Loving Memory Of Sweet Kaya, SOSD Rescue
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Fear has been over used. We've become immune to it.
Now will be the time to overcome that voice that says if you vote Green you're wasting your vote. If we all vote Green, it will send a message, destroy the DNC and mark the beginning of the Revolution.
They can't scare as many people into voting for her.
The fear tactic has been used far too often and things generally suck for many.
They also can't 'shame' or guilt many people into voting for her. It's only possible to be shamed by those whom you respect and there is no respect left for so many of these people and their sycophants.
Excellent comment! (n/t)
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Well that and the fear tactic only works when the other side
is actually worse in a measurable way for the average voter.
I never thought I would ever say these words but one potential Democratic candidate actually scares me more than Trump...
And it ain't Bernie.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Yeah my adrenals no longer react
Of course that could be because I'm full of good bourbon...
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Bernie or Bust
I agree that 91% seems high and the poll is not scientific. But I disagree that a majority of Sander's supporters will vote for Hillary. They are supporting Bernie because the system is broken and they want change. The Clinton's are the problem, putting another one in the White House will only perpetuate the problem for 8 years. Thinking of Trump as worse than Hillary is part of the political bogeymen politicians use. The Republicans push God, Guns and Gays! The Democrats push Abortion and Social Security! Both are part of a bygone era as voters don't trust either party.
I am not a millennial just participating for the first time, rather I have been a politically active yellow dog Democrat for over 40 years. They have finally lost me with corruption the past couple of years. There are many more Democratic Baby Boomers who will only support the D if it is Bernie.
I was hoping you were writing about the Bernie or Bust Postcard
Blitz. But I agree with your comments in any case, and hope you will join the Bernie media bomb that's being planned for the 13th.
http://caucus99percent.com/content/bernie-postcard-media-blitz-513
I could easily see Hillary deciding
to only be a 1-term President -- that way she wouldn't be hamstrung by worrying about being re-elected and could carry out her full agenda (which would likely not be good news for ordinary Americans).
Hillary a one-termer
No. For the Clinton Family Foundation to keep those donations rolling in, at least one of them has to be in power at all times. That's been key and explains why they moved to Chappaqua as soon as Bill left the White House - NY senator Moynihan was retiring and Hill had to establish residency and "run" for his seat. She didn't do much during her eight years in the Senate, but she did some nice "listening tours" and promised Upstate voters "jobs"! No jobs materialized, but then it was "her turn" to run for president. Well, too many voters hadn't gotten over the memory of Bill yet and Obama was so promising, literally, with his "hope and change" thing. So, Hill became Secretary of State and ka-ching! Pay-to-play was hatched. Now, Madame president is in the bag and even greater ka-ching!
Hillary a one-termer
No. For the Clinton Family Foundation to keep those donations rolling in, at least one of them has to be in power at all times. That's been key and explains why they moved to Chappaqua as soon as Bill left the White House - NY senator Moynihan was retiring and Hill had to establish residency and "run" for his seat. She didn't do much during her eight years in the Senate, but she did some nice "listening tours" and promised Upstate voters "jobs"! No jobs materialized, but then it was "her turn" to run for president. Well, too many voters hadn't gotten over the memory of Bill yet and Obama was so promising, literally, with his "hope and change" thing. So, Hill became Secretary of State and ka-ching! Pay-to-play was hatched. Now, Madame president is in the bag and even greater ka-ching!
I think it's more likely she'd want to be a 3 or 4-term
President...
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
Her agenda, as far as I can tell, is being president
I don't think Hillary has any actual policy agenda that she cares about. Her goal is and always has been simply to be in power. I don't see her walking away from it (voluntarily) after one term.
I fear she's more likely to get the country mired in another war in hopes of hanging on to that power for a second term. That worked for W, and she won't have much else to support a run for reelection.
The Clintons are all about
money and power, in that order. They love the power because it keeps the money rolling in. It is a scam that needs to be stopped. God, I hope they indict her ass. The idea of the Clintons bac kin the White House nauseates me to no end.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Same
Same attitude, same age group, same conclusion. I'm sooo ready for Hillary and the rest of her clan to go away. Far away from any media and any money pumps and any chance of having the power to harm and kill more people with her greed and poor judgment.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
I am sure it won't matter to the Great Orange Satan
because (as I noted upthread) It's IN THE BAG for November! A whole buncha noobs told me so, just yesterday!
(facepalm)
I don't know if I'd buy the number at 91%, but I'd damn sure put it well over half. Easily. People are DONE sucking up and holding their noses. After what they saw of the shit the Party and its "presumed" nominee are capable of, they're done.
So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Unless Bernie manages to wrest it away from Clinton at the convention--though Ed Rendell's utterances the other night would seem to dovetail nicely with the "In The Bag" notice above. You'd think they've had it fixed further so she wins the general, too.
And what the actual fuck are we prepared to do about that??
Great?
I think it's more like Grandiose Orange Satan, though perhaps "satan" is also a bit overstated; nothing jumps to mind right now, though. Maybe "sycophant(s)"?
This survey proves
that 8.6% of Bernie supporters are stupid trolls.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
I just got it! LOL (n/t)
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I don't believe it's that high...
but in my gut there is definitely something different this go-round. People are fed-up. Like GGal said up thread, if 40% of us Bernie supporters don't vote for her, she's in trouble. I'd like to think it's below that percentage.
I won't vote for her, that's for damn sure. The DNC can play the fear card all they want, it's not working this election.
agree 100%
with everything you write here.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Depends where they are
If 40% of Bernie's California contingent decides to sit this one out it probably won't make a huge difference -- maybe just make the numbers a little close for comfort. But if those 40% are someplace like Ohio or Florida then watch out.
I vote in Florida
and I am sitting this out. The BIG problem with Florida is that Clinton took the Democratic vote by a big margin. No wonder they call us Floridiots. But I DID vote for Bernie.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Hey, now
Remind me to tell you about my early-voting escapades and that of a couple friends and some interesting numbers I looked at, in terms of the overall final numbers. I can't prove a thing, of course, but a couple things might give you pause. The short version is that I believe there might have been big-time disenfranchisement of early voters and some monkeyshines with the final tabulations, here in, uhh, Floriderp...
I figured it would get lost in the noise right now (plus it's so damned depressing), but I intended to post on it at some point in the not-too-distant future...
Richard Charnin's most recent exit
poll results show Florida primary with 90% probability of fraud. Adjusted for margin of error with a normal distribution.
Not as big as NY or AZ, but fairly suspicious in my mind:
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/
In the corporate-controlled National Election Pool, their exit pollsters now will force a match to the recorded vote!
That's not quality control as I studied it in college. You don't alter your sampling data after the fact, to minimize perceived defects in manufacturing output. Your machines will continue to produce junk parts and tolerances will keep drifting even further from normal standards.
I have to respect his mathematical and statistical knowledge in that field.
It's "not as big", it's "bigger"
overall, the way I see it. I don't think I have ever been exit-polled in the state of Florida, even though I've lived here for over 20 years and have voted in several different jurisdictions (both as an early voter and a voter on Election Day). But that isn't a big deal, in and of itself--lots of people never get polled. But I have never even seen polling going on for anyone else, as I would leave whatever precinct I was voting at. Ever.
That's still anecdotal of course, but at the very least, it may indicate that there's not a lot of exit polling going on here, compared to other places. And that wouldn't be surprising, if true. If you don't have exit polls-or very few-how do you make a determination there might be shenanigans going on at all?
It's why I get so damned mad at all the "jokes" about "stupid voters" here. The problem, I'm convinced, isn't the voters--it's the people who count the votes!
Floridiots. Made me smile, gg98.
A Floridian friend of mine says that Florida is the only state where...the further north you go, the further south you get!
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
91.4% of Bernie Voters Won't Vote for Clinton
Don't you worry about Hillary. She's leading in more financial services donations and votes than Trump and Bernie combined, according to today's Wall Street Journal.
Besides,
she'll have all that Republican money! Presumably their votes go with them. So she doesn't need us.
At least, that's what some of her slimier online minions keep saying. I wonder if she agrees with them?
add me to the list.
(grin)
I don't care if this is "not credible...propaganda"
I'm a 55yo registered dem in California. As such, I really appreciate the message here which is obviously not MSM, Breitbart, Heritage Foundation, right wing BS. So what is it? Its the result of a primary that has been sickening from the get go, with polls/msm WAY off, yet states/delegates keep voting for Bernie. The DNC's veneer is cracked and transparent as a party unsupportive of half its own members. Ok, then along comes this poll, albeit non-affiliated and unprofessional, but apparently it's dangerous, seriously? No, I'm not a stupid troll. Wow. I'm an informed/politically-minded voter in California who understands the power of polls within MSM/social media. And as a critical thinker, one of millions who hasn't voted yet, I don't see any harm in this message, I see hope, however skewed. Thank you for sharing, vl baker!
I will not
be motivated by fear.
be swayed by lies.
cater to the MIC.
vote for either Trump or Clinton.
'nuff said.
The more people I meet, the more I love my cats.
Anecdotal evidence and observations
I not sure of the validity of this data, but from my Washington State caucus experience- there is little love for Hillary by younger, newer or independent voters. There were several instances of loudly booing of her name, and people standing up and saying they would not vote for her under any circumstance. Moreover, in my precinct out of the 48 votes (which Bernie won 46 to 2), over 43 voters were younger than 35 years old and many of them said they were only there to support Bernie and no one else.
From my experience (both in normal politics and from this year), Hillary will have a tough time winning Bernie or Independent voters. She is just a very flawed candidate and person and the voters know it. The General Election should be very interesting- bring the popcorn and watch the show- it will be a battle to elect the least unpopular.
whether or not
i choose to pull the trigger for clinton if she wins the election, which is going to depend on a whole lot of things, it's important that bernie supporters stand in some sort of solidarity against the DNC/clinton machine now. and later. and right up til november. these corrupt fucks that are running the democratic party into the ground need to know that they need to lose the moderate-right momentum if they're going to be a viable party in ten years. if clinton keeps trying to play baffle-them-with-bullshit, there's no fucking way i'm voting for her. she needs to take some positions and defend them, because i don't see how a candidacy born in a waffle iron is going to lift the weight vs. someone as self-assured and self-absorbed as donald trump.
but... i'll make the final decision in the voting booth, and right now that's looking like downticket. clinton's got a hell of a lot of work to do convincing this bernie supporter to vote for her.
i think it was elon james white that said "EARN THIS VOTE."
and incidentally, i think that was shortly after he got done ridiculing sanders for participating in MLK's march on washington. irony, that.
GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG
crazy numbers, undoubtedly wrong, but....!
7 million fewer people voted in 2012 than in 2008. I wish they'd have voted for Jill Stein or that Libertarian guy, just to show the disaffection for the two major party candidates.
Because fewer people voted it's really hard to tell if those were today's Bernie supporters. I guess, in general, it's not a good fit, comparing 2012 to 2016. Obama was unopposed on the Democratic side so there weren't all that many people who were bitter from a long primary season, like this year.
But overall I think a lot of people who weren't thrilled with Obama, or who actively disliked him, voted for him. Stein got a pathetic 400,000+ votes nationwide, less than Nader got in 2008 when we didn't really take much notice of him. At least I didn't.
We really have no idea what percentage will choose to not vote for Hillary. I think we won't really have a clue until after the convention. My instinct says, though, that she'll get fewer votes than Obama did in 2012, a year Obama got 4 million fewer votes than the election before.
i'll cop to
being pretty naive after supporting obama. that hopey-changey stuff was like honey.
i don't care that obama DONE GOT OSAMA. that one act is overshadowed by 8 years of drone strikes and destabilization at the hands of our MIC and corporate interests around the world. heard anything about guantanamo lately? those poor fuckers are going to die there.
i like the regulation aspect of the ACA. i don't like the fact that it forces us to purchase shit from one of a few insurance companies. anyone who touts the ACA without noting that it's a massive, huge, massive, huge giveaway to these companies hasn't been paying attention, and obama gave away the other option in the first hour of negotiations.
other than that, what? our infrastructure is still crumbling. our candidate-to-be is still selling fracking and clean coal. the middle east, while clearly partly a carryover from the cheney admin, is now a fucking disaster. we were facing off with a cia-trained dirt farmer in afghanistan in 2002, now we're juggling pins with fucking russia and china.
oh, and the economy's great if you're the one pissing into the drain. it's not so good for basically everyone i know between the ages of 20 and 40.
GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG
"i don't care that obama DONE GOT OSAMA."
Did you see it? I didn't.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
A photo of officials in a room watching something off-screen
The claim was that it was a picture of them following the operation in real-time, but for all we know they could have been watching anything. Or just posing.
When I see stuff like that and everyone going along with it, I just shake my head and say, “American Pravda Productions. There’s no verifying a story anymore, the truth of anything is classified, what we see is just show biz.”
Wag the Dog moment....
Whenever I see those posed shots, I immediately think of the Wag the Dog movie...
…and many Rethuglicans were openly upset over it...
Probably some Democrats too, but they did a better job of hiding it.
They lost a major 'threat and fear reinforcement' against the American people with the resolution on Bin Laden.
They no longer had the card to play of a big bad Osama bogeyman who was going to launch another attack against 'dUh-Mericuh'.
I don't believe it.
If you were the US, would you dump proof into the sea? Sort of like Monica's dress. How many people would save a seman stained dress instead of sending it to laundry?
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
There's a
whole lot of stuff not to be believed, or even partly believed, that happened to us all in the last 20-30 years, ya think?
If you’re my age it starts with JFK’s assassination in 1963. n/t
Yes...that seems to be the start.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
How stubborn of us
To be so focused on our freedom and self-determination and not give Hillary the Presidency after all she went through to steal it.
Beware the bullshit factories.
The numbers probably aren't accurate
but I shared this post on facebook and twitter just for the hell of it.
Yeah, I'm bad.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
If not Bernie
If they do shove Bernie out, and he is not Indy with the Greens, then vote Jill Stein, she would make a better 1st woman President than Killary
So long, and thanks for all the fish
I hope this gets crossposted at TOS
With a link back to here of course! This is the reality pill the Clintonista's need shoved down their throats.
What methodology was used in your surveys?
"These surveys were designed to cross check each other. Respondents are from a variety of social media venues and many are not the same between surveys. Roughly one-third of all respondents took all three surveys. Either way, this isn’t rocket science. The numbers don’t lie. This train is coming and the choice you all will have to make is critical to the future of our country."
How were your respondents chosen? This is really crucial, as it determines whether your study has any validity or not. If they were self selecting, I'm sorry, but that throws the whole thing off. If not, how were they selected? We need to know.
Green is the new blue for me
I am resolved to hold out for Bernie, but the damage is irreparable. I now am looking for Green Party candidates to vote for, going back to NPA not a priority for me.
I'm not worrying about the Hillary/Trump dichotomy. The bigger problems are at present unsolvable. The planet is going to burn up no matter how little or how much a Pres. Sanders can do.
Sanders will offer psychological relief, if nothing else. Which would not exist for the other two corporate shills. Yes, Trump is ever bit a shill like Hillary.
There's an enormous burden on the millennials. Pumping massive and ever-increasing carbon emissions into atmosphere until Doomsday, this isn't the kind of world that promises a sustainable future.
unreal
I don't care what your sources are, they are wrong. We have this division within the party true, and I go to many Democrat meetings here in blue CA and I can tell you every Bernie advocate that says they won't vote for Hillary is laughed at or worse derided. I am a Bernie voter from the start but damn if I'll make the Supreme Court conservative for the next 20 years. Worse yet, Trump would destroy our nation and foreign allies. Thanks, but no.
"Oh, uh, there won't be any money but when you die, on your death bed, you will receive total consciousness", so I got that join' for me...-Carl Spackler, Caddyshack
THIS IS A FAKE POLL.
PLEASE DELETE AND DON'T PASS IT ON.
Diane Reynolds
Says a person on the internet
who signed up to make this one, unsubstantiated claim.
Did Markos send you personally?
...not that individual votes
...not that individual votes count... Stupordelegates for the primaries, Electoral Carbage for the actual election... though Killary's team is the first I've know to so blatantly, and apparently PROUDLY, disply just how terribly corrupt our Us elections ARE...
Survey of Bernie-or-busters
Hi. Your survey is so great! I would love to share it and even link to it in a petition to the super delegates. But I feel that the commentary that's included between each graph is very vitriolic and would be a turn-off to the super delegates whom we're trying to convince... And the commentary makes the survey seem a bit less professional than it truly is. Would it be possible for you to repost the survey results without the commentary?
Thanks so much!
Jeannette Sorrell
Fee the Bern!
Jeannette S.
Have you mailed a copy of this to every superdelegate?
If not, do so immediately. And by you, I mean every one of you reading this right now.
Make this viral on social media.
Make this something that can't be ignored.
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