Bernie's Endgame - And Ours
Lee Camp has presented some very compelling evidence that there has been massive, systemic fraud committed in this year's Democratic primary elections to deliver votes to Hillary Clinton and deny them to Bernie Sanders. By the very same metrics used by the US government itself to gauge the integrity of elections in foreign countries, these primaries have been revealed as exercises in cynical and criminal manipulation designed to create the illusion of voter consensus favoring Clinton, irregardless of voters' actual preference. And naturally the corporate media has done everything in its power to assist in this fraud.
I fervently hope that Sanders can nonetheless score the kind of decisive victories in the upcoming primaries to overhaul Clinton in the pledged delegate count, thus creating a compelling case for superdelegates to go along with his nomination and not subvert the will of the voters. But I'm enough of a realist to understand the likelihood of such a thing happening is somewhere very close to zero. Not that I don't think it's important for Sanders to soldier on and continue vigorously fighting for the nomination until the last primary vote is cast in Washington DC on June 14. The closer he comes to Clinton in pledged delegates, the more legitimacy his cause has in the minds of the general public. And of course it's also true that political miracles sometimes do happen.
But considering the facts on the ground, and the forces arrayed against him, it's not too soon for Sanders to begin thinking seriously about Plan B - what's his best course of action when and if it becomes clear that Clinton's nomination is a foregone conclusion. Certainly he can forget about flipping superdelegates - overwhelmingly a sorry lot of political hacks and lobbyists - should Clinton emerge from the primaries with a clear lead in pledge delegates, which as of now seems far and away the most likely outcome. In recent days Bernie has been talking about influencing the Democratic Party platform, and also about the imperative of preventing Donald Trump from being elected President. I'm sorry to say that if that is Bernie's Plan B, it seems like pretty weak tea to me.
Firstly, party platforms are routinely ignored by unprincipled, opportunistic politicians like Clinton - time and again she has shown a willingness to embrace a policy position when it's politically convenient, only to abandon it when she no longer has to worry about appeasing voters, and can instead concentrate on her real agenda of paying off donors. What makes anyone believe this time would be any different? And as far as the imperative for blocking Trump, perhaps there is an even stronger imperative for breaking the stranglehold the corporate duopoly has on the entire political process. Because, you know, dramatic and irreversible degradation of the natural environment, making the earth uninhabitable for future generations, and stuff like that. I can't help but wonder, has Bernie really thought this through?
There is, in my view, a different and much better and more effective road that Bernie can travel, assuming he has both the foresight and courage to do so. I'm going to present without further comment a posting I found a few days back on Alternet from a gentleman calling himself MinneSooTa, that lays out one possible alternate scenario. Perhaps the optimal strategy would deviate somewhat from what this poster recommends, but personally I find it very hard to argue with the proposition that Sanders and his followers could have a far greater and more beneficial impact on the process if collectively they are willing to chart a bold and independent course, as opposed to allowing themselves to once again be co-opted and folded back into the Corporate Democrat coalition. Been there, done that - it really hasn't worked out too well, and I don't think you need a crystal ball to realize it won't work out any better in the future.
A Call to Arms
(re-published from Alternet)
The Democratic party is corrupt and beyond redemption. It cannot be fixed from within. Nader is exactly right. At the convention they will deny Bernie's policy requests the same way they will deny him the nomination. There is no chance superdelegates switch over. Too much money is on the line in a rigged system they control.
Bernie should use the party just like they used him and then discard it just as they would discard him at the convention. Stay in the race until the DC primary so he can achieve maximum exposure. Then the morning of June 15th he should announce that he is leaving the Democratic party for the Greens.
Going to the convention would be a strategic blunder. The trap has already been set. The opportunity to create a viable third party is now. He can turn the tables on the DNC. Bernie has millions of supporters loyal to him and his policy platform with little to no allegiance to the Democratic party. They will come along.
In the meantime the Sanders campaign should backchannel with the Green Party to make sure they are on every state ballot. He can start a real fifty state campaign for the general election the same day he announces the switch. States not normally in play for Democrats will be fair game given the high negatives of the two other candidates. The announcement will also reinvigorate Sanders supporters and donations will come flooding back in.
At the same time the air will be sucked right out of the Democratic National Convention. With no suspense and controversy and without Bernie's attendance it will be dead on arrival. Sanders can go back on the offensive and will immediately be the favorite to win the presidency.
There really is nothing to lose with this plan. If he stays in the democratic party and goes to the convention it will just be a soul sucking march to defeat. His Kobayashi Maru. She has the nuts and he knows it. All options would be untenable. Integrity lost. Revolution over.
Thankfully this need not come to pass. The viability and legitimacy issues will be moot thanks to the primary campaign. Name recognition... forget about it. Together we will break through the entrenched corruption of the two party duopoly and win the presidency for all of us. There is no other way.
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All for it on the day after, and. . .
The Kobayashi Maru reference sealed it.
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine. -- Jeff Spicoli
I'm in... been saying it all along.
If he expects good faith anything out the system that just chewed him up and spit him out, he should't be President. If he won't use his power, he might as well quit now.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Oh, but he PROMISED! (whine)
I, too, think that any support from Bernie for Hillary Clinton -- ever -- would be a far worse betrayal than to go back on his promise to the Democratic Party which did nothing of what they owed him. To wit: a fair primary contest and a level playing field.
I say the Dems owed it to Bernie. More appropriately, they owed, and owe, it to us.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Oh I LIKE IT!
We ALSO need to take congress, as the new house will choose the president in the case no one gets an outright majority of electoral votes.
I also expect the Republicans donor to wake up to the fact that Trump is not a Wall Street Puppet. The Kochs don't have a problem with Hillary, she has been their gall since the 80s, but a lot of the other R donors hate her and will probably run a WS puppet on the libertarian ticket.
Personally...
I really love the idea of Bernie completely boycotting the convention. That would represent the strongest and most unequivocal repudiation of the Clinton Democrooks and all they stand for that he could possibly make. And it would truly suck all the excitement and suspense out of the whole tawdry and overblown production, making it a true snooze-a-thon and a PR disaster for $Hillary. She and her merry band of sycophants would be livid, but there wouldn't be a damn thing they could do about it except stew. Oh, to see the look on her face when she was interviewed about Bernie's defection!
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No.
At the end of the day, you're advocating for handing the party platform over to the right wing of the Democratic party. While I am not, and haven't been for several decades now, a member of the Democratic party, the simple fact is that until a viable third party comes along, we're stuck with them. The last thing we need to do is allow them to move further to the right.
Bernie should storm the convention with all the forces at his disposal. I realize that will disturb the delicate sensibilities of the Ed Rendells of the world, but oh well. Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.
You think you have a choice???
They tell you whatever they want you to hear, and they'll do exactly as they please. Show me anything they've done that makes what I said a lie?
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
It Seems Bernie's Plan is to Change the Dem Party from Within
I think Bernie's plan is stick with what he is doing all the way through the convention. Doing what he can to get the nomination and /or influence the platform. This does not mean I think he is naive enough to think changing the platform is going to mean much.
But, worst case scenario, after the general election if we stand behind him, Bernie will be the most powerful Senator in congress and we can help him hold their feet to the fire. When he says millions of people need to stay involved to change things, he means us.
I think there is a Plan B. The time to implement it is Not Yet.
Don't look now,
but they already took it from us.
And they're not planning on sharing it anymore.
So YES, particularly if what Rendell said could possibly come to pass. Sounds to me like it's a done deal, no matter how many delegates Sanders wins between now and the convention.
Platforms mean nothing
Sad, but as long as the Criminal Clintons have any power in the Deomcratic/DLc/Third Way Party, the platforms mean nothing. Just like their words. Nothing.
Question the moving to Green Party. Does anyone think Jill Stein, or any of the long term members of the Green Party, as disorganized as they may be, are suddenly going to step aside and allow Bernie Sanders to run for POTUS on their ticket. No Way. Actually think it's egos and lack of strategic organization which have limited the Green Party for years.
Dem platform
Item: They already have that, irretrievably so. even if Bernie got the nomination, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz will still write the platform. So no loss there.
Item: As Dems notoriously ignore their platform once elected these days, you're essentially asking us to support Hillary in exchange for lines on a piece of paper that isn't worth the cost of the same said sheet of paper when all is said and done. No, thank you.
Better that Bernie take our revolution places it can remain alive.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The Green Party is pretty hopeless with the game rigged to be
Tweedledee vs Tweedledum
Nader made noises about this in 2000 but in the end nothing came of it... I think it's safe to bet nothing would come of Bernie being a GP candidate
If the splits the vote?
So what everyone is saying is that we'e fucked. Say thank you and forget it. I am not going to do that. If we have zero viable path, then the only meaningful vote is a protest vote for Trump.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Not A Good Analogy
If the system was really able to enforce a Tweedledee vs Tweedledum paradigm, then Clinton and Trump would be almost interchangeable, which they're clearly not. In fact, the capture of the Republican nomination by an anti-status quo populist candidate, along with Sanders surprisingly strong showing, indicates that the elites are gradually losing control of the process. Certainly Trump is not anyone's idea of a steady as she goes, don't rock the boat type candidate.
Also, projecting Bernie's possible impact as a Green Party candidate based on Nader's 2000 showing is similarly misguided. First, there are a lot more people hurting, and a lot more voter anger in 2016 than there was in 2000. Second, on-line fund raising and organizing are far more advanced now than they were 16 years ago. Third, Bernie's decision to contest for the Democratic nomination, being able to share a debate stage with Clinton, and all of the media attention he's received gives him a far higher profile and greater credibility as a serious candidate than Nader was ever able to achieve. And finally, I think Bernie is simply a better and more skillful politician than Nader. Nader comes across as somewhat cold and arrogant, and lacks the common touch. Bernie connects with ordinary people on a visceral level in a way that Nader was never able to.
For all these reasons, I do believe that at the very least, a Green Party candidacy by Bernie would greatly facilitate jump-starting an effort to build a viable alternative party, something I consider urgently needed and long overdue. As things now stand, we have on one hand the Clinton Democrats, who are basically Reagan Republicans with liberal positions on social issues. Then on the other side, you have a party dominated by unreconstructed militarists, Ayn Randian Social Darwinists, theocratic fundamentalists, and proto-fascist brownshirts. Not a pretty picture at all. And the refusal of the former to make any real effort to address the terminally declining economic fortunes of the bottom 90% helps to empower the latter.
At the end of the day, I keep coming back to what Frederick Douglass said:
If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
Every bit as true and timely now as they were a century and a half ago.
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You're Right.
If we can turn the Green Party into something as powerful as the German Greens, we will have gotten our major party. If we do this, the Republican Party becomes the minor Religio-Fascist Party and the Dems become the Conservative Party. In effect, we will have a new two party system.
Bernie should understand by now that he has changed the whole political landscape by ignoring the corporatists and depending on us. If so, he may be amenable to some hardball politics. Let's hope so.
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
Not a good analogy
Nader was never a politician. He was a Lebanese-American policy wonk who ran his own one-man shop for public interest research and attacks against corporations (GM - Unsafe at Any Speed). He lived like a monk and had the personality of one. He chose to run a spoiler third party campaign against Gore, giving George Bush the presidency by a squeaker.
Agree: Green Party hopeless
The Green Party is currently only on the ballot in 21 states. They have little in the way of resources and only a rudimentary party organization. According to one Green organizer, in many states they are small, self-selected groups of people that do not even raise money for party activities, and have no formal structure for officers and candidates. They do have a wonderful platform and have produced an appealing national candidate in Dr. Jill Stein. But the Greens are simply not a ready-made vehicle for a 3rd party mass movement.
The campaign that Sanders has built already dwarfs anything the Greens have--in numbers, in finances, in overall organization. If he wants to run as an independent, he will probably be better off founding an entirely new party, or inviting the Greens to join him--not the other way around.
The DNC is a bunch of lying hacks
There hasn't been one moment in the primary process that hasn't been tampered with. People aren't constrained to keep agreements with creatures like the Hillary Club. Bernie, please give this revolution a chance and combine with the Greens!
Yep, I knew the fix was in early on
In Iowa. Coin Flipping to determine the winner? And Clinton won 6 in a row? You'd have better odds of winning roulette betting on one number on the wheel. Crooked AF!!
I hope Bernie finds a new path to the White House, whether Indy, Green, or whatever he has to do. The game is rigged, and there's no chance of changing it from within now. It will only be more difficult to change once Clinton gets her hands back on the levers of power and stacks the deck even more than it already is.
We, the people are going to have to rise up to wrest the power from the hands of tyrants. A political solution would be preferable, but if Bernie doesn't stand up AGAINST the Clinton democrats, the revolution will have to take place in the streets.
Hang on, it's going to get very ugly!
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Even if Bernie wins the Democratic nomination
He should leave the party and join the Greens. Both parties, Democrat and Republicans are corrupt beyond redemption. I'm saying this knowing nothing about the Green Party, but they have to be better than the status quo.
Green is the largest
third party, not counting the rightwing ones (Constitution and Libertarian).
Nothing is perfect in the real world, so I would just go for the Green.
Trump vote is just like voting for any of the rightwing parties. Might as well donate to some full-on fascist fringe group. Hillary is a trojan horse for a conservative lockdown on American politics 2016.
If Bernie doesn't want to be his own man within the corrupt Dem system, there is little choice for me but Green, for better or worse.
Question
Has the green party held their convention? Is Jill Stein their nominee?
last I checked ....
... they haven't officially nominated her, there are other candidates, but she is so far ahead she's basically assured to be the nominee again. I glanced at the other candidates' bios and they all seem either life long activists, academics or both, kinda the Green Party's wheel-house. Jill did not kill in the Free and Equal debates 4 year ago to the extent I had hoped she would, but she's a good candidate and charismatic and I hope she can help build the party. IF Bernie's not on the ballot in some way in Nov, I''m going to go all out for Jill.
I take issue with this "foresight & courage"?
This man has gone further than anyone else in my lifetime. It is time to stop piling on more for him to do the heavy lifting and take on more ourselves. He's a man, not a savior. More support, less expectations/demands.
In this specific case, it really is "him, not us".
Like it or not, Bernie Sanders is our "brand bearer", for lack of a better term. And the choice he faces if Hillary gets nominated (which Cat forbid!) boils down to "how do I prevent myself, and this revolution I've started, from being neutralized?"
That's what we're discussing here. And it is a decision that, in the final analysis, only Bernie Sanders can make. We cannot make it for him.
Occupational hazard of his current position. He could be a high-tension lineman or a crab fisherman instead....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Bernie's Endgame
All valid points. I see how this run of Bernie's will end, with co-option by the Hillary Machine "Thanks for all the Millennial voters you've brought to me Bernie. You're a true gentleman." Big smile and cackle. I fear that Bern will stay true to his word and campaign for the Dem nominee, even though the fix was in from the very beginning and helped along by dirty tricks and polling place fraud. His insistence that by winning more pledged delegates he can affect the Dem platform and the party in general is a quixotic fantasy at best. But that's what makes Bernie so special. He believes in the power of good but I don't think he realizes that people like the Clintons worship in the church of evil. I read a quote several months ago about the very best politicians. They are the best liars in the room. And they always win. Forgot who said it, but it's true.
Now, about Bernie and the movement he started. It will be devastating to see it fizzle out like the Occupy Wall Street movement. But I don't think Bernie has anything up his sleeve beyond going to the convention and getting the nom, or failing that, influencing the platform, which they won't honor anyway. I hope he regroups and decides to start a third party. Like it or not, he is a progressive leader who has found a way to be successful and I hope this movement grows exponentially. God knows, the country is hungry for it.
I say go for it!
It's a revolution, let's revolute right out of the Democratic Party! Hell, why go green, let's just start a new party and write-in Bernie in those states that he can't get on the ballot. This is a fucking revolution! Let's take back our Democracy!
Disagree.
Bernie owes it to all the Dems who voted for him to represent them atthe Convention.
Besides, it just gives HillBill and the DNC another chance to look like corrupt incompetents as they blatantly rig the nomination.
After getting worked over at the convention by DWS and Co., nobody will blame Bernie for going third party, because the party elite abuse will be clear for everyone to see. But if he does so without showing up at the big dance, he'll just look like a sore loser.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Force the Dems to change or become a third party
The Democratic party will not change with a Clinton nomination, or even worse, a Clinton Presidency. Bernie needs to show America what a corrupt, oligarch ass-kissing party that they have become. I would like him to run as the Green Party Candidate with Jill Stein, whom I admire, as VP. The theme needs to be "fix America", and we need to fire volleys at both the Democrats and the Republicans. The only way that the Democratic Party will change is to fear for their survival, and even then I doubt that they will change.
My wife and I will need to get absentee ballots for the elections. We will be visiting my daughter and grand kids in London. At that time we will re-register as Independents. I cannot continue to support the Democratic Party, given what I know about them now. Used to be that I'd vote all Ds. Now I will asses each race and not vote if I don't know the candidates and the issues. I would prefer to be aligned with the Green Party and consider a Democrat where that candidate is outstanding. No more money for a party that is awash in corrupt corporate money. I think that they are on the verge of showing that their firewall will hold. That also means that the party is hopeless as a vehicle of change.
I agree with mouselander. This is way too important to allow the Democratic party to subsume this revolution. We have had too many near-revolutions that have fizzled. It's time.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
The only thing voting for Trump may do
is make him the President. It will never be construed as some message of protest or anything else. When in history has any vote for someone been determined to be a vote against someone else ? The establishment and their press will spin protest votes to their best advantage.
To me, a real protest vote would be voting 3rd party or not voting for President and only selecting down ballot candidates. Not showing up is a vote for status quo.
I understand not wanting to see HRC President. But voting for Trump means you share in the responsibility of his Presidency. Short of a catalyst for pitchforks and torches, making him President has no upside. I affirm that it is your vote-not mine. But I wonder if voting for Trump as a protest is based more on emotion than reason ?
I'm not condoning this idea I'm about to present, and ...
... and I don't subscribe to it, but I could see an argument being made to say: a vote for trump counterbalances the GOP defection from Trump to Clinton that is already under way, and that 4 years of Trump will not be worse than 8 years of W; but 8 years of Hillary will leave us with a Democratic Party fully controlled at every level by the Wall St apologists-- which are now expanded to include the private prison lobby and pay-day lenders.
I think if Hillary steals the nomination (I'm taking the reports of election fraud very seriously, and think she's not actually winning to the extent that she appears to be even not counting the superdelegates), we have to accept that the Democratic Party will never be progressive, that Grayson and Warren are outliers and will never be more than 2 great songs on a corporate schlock albums of major suckage we always regret buying. So it will be fully The Green Party for me, changing registration, and going all in. I love their 10 Key Values so it's not a big stretch for me anyway.
This proposal makes a lot of sense. I'd support it 100%.
The only question is, how can we make it happen?
I don't know that we can; we have to rely on Bernie and his capable team to recognize the opportunity and seize it. If there's a way to get this in front of Weaver and other campaign staff, we need to do it.
As a tangent, some of my most frenzied Hillary-supporting friends are gleefully posting all over social media about the "fact" that Bernie is "open to" being Hillary's VP. When I point out the nuance in Bernie's comments about that, they plug their ears. They honestly believe that Bernie would agree to be Hillary's VP. They honestly believe that Hillary is already succeeding in "unifying" the two camps.
They're in for a cold, rude surprise, imho.
My guess
is that Schumer has threatened Bernie with losing any committee seat/chair if he doesn't fall in line and endorse $hillary at the convention.
Which is probably the real reason that we will not see him run as an Indie/third party candidate in the GE.
My guess is that Schumer
No. Schumer is bupkes compared to Bernie now. Bernie is the Master of the Progressive Universe and he's not gonna let any Mr. Wall Street incarnate force him to go along with the Shillary program in fear of losing a committee chairmanship. Not after all the years Bernie stood up to them in Congress.