That other place is like Flies On Shit!
Sorry, this is just a little rant. I must get it out or I might explode, and I just vacuumed the living room and I don't want to create another mess!!
It is getting ridiculous over at DKos. If you make a pro-Bernie, or anti-HRC comment, the Shillary folks start swariming over you like flies on shit. It's ridiculous! It's almost like they can smell the win, and are circling like sharks to cut down, denigrate and demoralize the losing side!!
I'm so infuriated with the whole political process, the rigged system, and Dems specifically, that I sometimes have thoughts that I'd rather Trump win than Hillary! An insane man who probably hasn't a clue what he's doing, and is clearly incompetent to be president frequently seems preferable to that corporate, war mongering bitch and her low-integrity voters! Grrrr.....
Thanks for listening, or not!! LOL Just had to vent somewhere that I wouldn't be trampled on like piece of garbage in the road!
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Stop going there.
Stop going there.
It took me a while to ween myself off. I was a multi-time-a-day visitor. Don't miss it at all anymore. My mental health and, I'm sure, my blood pressure have both improved.
They are paid trolls sanctioned by KOS.
Believe me. That's how it's done to demoralize you. Make you feel like you are in the small minority. HRC and the "elite" are stealing this election becasue the majority of people are with Bernie but are being divided and conquered. Do not get discouraged. HRC is going down.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
I put on a gas mask and go into TOP
for brief periods. I just want to see what is topical. Then I RUN away and go to less toxic sites.
Besides, I don't want to contribute more to the owner's wealth. Advertising dollars are dependent upon the activity on the site. If Berners stay away, (and are probably more than half of his visitors), then TOP profits will eventually go down.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
LOL.... very good advice!!
My DKos usage has always been cyclical, and I'm in a frequent user state at the moment... . but I should probably take your advice. Sometimes I just want to take my computer and throw it out the 5th story window, I get so damned mad!! LOL
I just don't get how someone can support HRC. I can't get my mind around it. I find it just as difficult to think with that as I do supporting Trump. They are both revolting and dangerous human beings. How is it that out of 310 million people in this country those two ended up being the chosen ones!!!
It has crossed my mind recently that part of the reason we ended up with a Trump and an HRC as the chosen ones is because that's the way the parties wanted it to be. HRC is so corrupt and so beholden to Big Everything and she's so pro-war that it would probably suit the GOP very well to have her as President. I'm sure that's not the case, but it seems a bit fishy to me. I've always been of the frame of mind that the parties are much more in cahoots than they let on. It's just implausible that we find this country in the deep shit it's in and it's all the fault of one party.
Your comment
Because as any cook knows, the scum always rises to the top?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Think of this BoB
when you get ready to click on top. This is how the POS owner of the place makes his money. Clicks = $. I've only been there once in the last month and that was because of a link posted here. There is nothing worthwhile over there. I wish all of the Bernie supporters over there would come here and help grow this place instead of having piss fights with a bunch of pretend progressives. Maybe they think that after the election everyone will kiss and make up and it will be like Leave It To Beaver again. I can see now what a cesspool that place has been from day one. The vast majority are weak minded and are being lead by a snake oil salesman...
I agree, but I see one thing differently.
I absolutely believe that Hillary was the one chosen by the DNC, but I don't believe that Trump is the Repub nominee because it's the way the RNC wanted it. The Republican party made the mistake of having an honest election in a year of voter insurgency. The RNC and all of the status quo Rethugs are horrified. The two living GOP ex-presidents won't endorse Trump. The list of elected Rethugs who are running away from Trump is long. The list of his tepid endorsers is longer.
Can you imagine if the Dem primary system was "on the level" like the Rethugs'? Plenty of debates, scheduled to get the most eyeballs, not the least number of viewers. No super delegates to use in inflating Hillary's fake lead early on. A national party chair who kept her thumb off of the scale. Reasonable delegate allocation. If the Dems' primary system was as fair as the Repubs', I swear to God, Bernie would be the nominee.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
HD, when you said,
[repaginated for emphasis]
you nailed it!
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It's telling that we look at the Rethug primaries as a fair and the Dems' as tilted. Whatta time we live in. And go Bernie, go!
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
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Back in 2008 I worked
to help elect president Obama. I got involved not because I am a partisan or was that interested in politics. From the perspective of a Washington resident my state does better under republicans because they ignore us. Federal Democrats tend to find something to damage.
Sarah Palin is what got me involved. I have lived in the rural west all my life. I have also worked and lived in Alaska. I know her type, every small town has one.
I worked very hard knowing that overcoming racism was a steep challenge. Sarah Palin made it easier everytime she opened her mouth. I had little time think deeply about why John McCain would choose someone that was the equivalent of a millstone around his neck.
After the successful election and the following great recession I realized John McCain had taken a dive. Sarah Palin was chosen because she was scary to most folks, who in their right mind would put Ms. "I can see Russia from my house" in charge of nuclear weapons? While flaming racists still would not vote for the democrat most rural folks, for intance, are actually fairly neutral and are more likely to vote republican because they want to be left alone. Sarah was like a fire under their butt to rethink what would be worse.
Had John McCain been elected The republicans would have owned the recession. It would have been the end of everything they stood for. In the end we played right into the hands of those who are directing this movie. The movie this time appears to be the same. Trump as the unpalatable one. So why are they wanting to take a dive this time?
Like Hillbilly Dem said up thread,
The Republicans had a fair and honest primary. So, it's not that they're throwing the election. They're stuck with Trump because DWS is not the GOP chair.
However, after watching This Morning, this morning, on ABC, and hearing the possible Libertarian candidate, I see Trump as the DNC plant to split the party and ensure a $hillary win. And that makes my stomach churn.
I think the RNC establishment did their best to make it unfair
They're not geared up to face an establishment, reality show host.
Beware the bullshit factories.
I think the RNC establishment did their best to make it unfair
They're not geared up to face an establishment, reality show host.
Beware the bullshit factories.
"I just don't get how someone can support HRC."
Actually that one is pretty easy for me.
But I used to be a Republican so I know how they think.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Visited DU Today
Don't even do quick drive bys at The GOS. I visited DU today. I visited a thread that questioned why anyone thought Hillary was a hawk
My brain went into a total system collapse. When I regained consciousness I smoked some Kush and regained a smidgen of emotional stability.
Are people who post at The GOS and DU really that uninformed? That certainly explains why they support Hillary.
In another thread I got in to a short discussion about why anyone had a problem with Hillary receiving nearly a quarter billion dollars in speaking fees from Wall Street Robber Barons. Nobody can possibly be that stupid.
Hillarybots are the equivalent of political Borgs. The Hive Mind cannot be reasoned with.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Those are the same people who think that
Obama is the greatest president evah!
Don't you know that he saved the economy, the auto industry, has created thousands of more jobs, even if they pay crappy wages, and the best thing that he did was he ended two wars and hasn't started any new ones.
Never mind that the war in Afghanistan is still going strong and there are troops back in Iraq.
Oh, and in Libya, Syria and now in Yemen too.
Not to mention the troops that are in countries surrounding Russia because of Russia's aggression. Remember all the countries Russia has invaded recently? Me neither.
Those are the people who are voting for Hillary.
They are blinded to who she is and what she has done.
Here's a little bit of what she wanted to do in Syria.
(sorry, I forgot to include the lin)
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-a...
Hersh writes about how Hillary and Obama approved sending sarin gas to Syria so that they could blame it on Assad.
The Benghazi committee asked her the wrong questions.
They should have asked her what Stevens and the CIA were doing with the weapons from Libya and why they were sneaking them into Syria.
But the republicans probably already knew.
Especially McCain because he was the go between man of the moderate terrorists and the US military.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Ukraine
Just to refresh your memory. Now, that doesn't mean that you aren't right about everything else, and I agree with the rest of your post. However, don't forget that the other snakes are still snakes.
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Yeah-Ukraine? Nope
Who engineered a coup of a legally elected government there? Who then put Nazis and pliant corrupt pols (including US citizens) in place to "lead" Ukraine? Who the fuck then disavowed a referendum that the people of Crimea decided by over 95% to rejoin Russia? Because yannow the fucking Nazis there are now busily "lustrating" (look up the fucking word "lustration") the whole area of the country they control and kidnapping, raping, torturing, and killing (even burning them alive) ethnic Russians and the left-Socialists, Commies, and Russian sympathizers-so it seems Crimea made a prudent choice-as did the Eastern provinces closest to Russia, who are predominantly ethnic Russian-they are torn between a federation or annexation-but there is no fucking way they will tolerate Nazis ruling their land. And I'd like to see the proof of Russian military in East Ukraine, but don't give me any shit about troops in Sevastopol-the Russian naval base in Crimea because I guarantee you if Guantanamo was about to be overrun, OUR FUCKING TROOPS would not allow that to happen-and that isn't even a strategic naval base, ya dig?
Apparently my education is lacking
I was laboring under the impression that invasion was more or less equivalent to putting troops by force in someone else's territory, regardless of the reasons, or who is right or wrong in any dispute. Thanks for fixing that for me. I always felt that since we refused to leave when asked, we seized and occupied Guantanamo. Am I wrong about that too?
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If you mean "right or wrong" includes the specific REQUEST of
the inhabitants of the supposed "occupied" area to maintain the status quo then maybe we need to redefine "occupation". I want to know who was actually putting troops in, and where? (Since the base was already Russian, there was no insertion,and the peninsula voted to stay Russian). And you don't get to quote Shaun Walker or the other lying US stenographers, or the slimy innuendo engaged in by Killary's State Dept and her Neocon buddies like Nuland and Kagan. I want facts, and proof-like the proof Russia gave the US that the Sarin in Syria was delivered by the rebels. And who the fuck was "asking" Russia to leave, BTW? Hmm? US Nazi stooges? Yeah, that worked out well for the Nazi occupied area, no? Maybe we should offer the fascists a nuclear sub base in addition to inserting our neolib NATO and US robber barons to rape the rest of the country?
If you sense I'm being a little harsh
it's because I know a young man who was murdered by the Nazi swine put into power by the US-and I have friends and fam there now. Do not believe the propaganda
As one who has heard
horrific tales of Soviet atrocities, I'd like to comment, but out of respect for the site, I shan't.
So I'll just say, "I dissent".
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Number one, the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore
Number two, we're talking about Ukraine, and present atrocities there Dissent all you want, (and respect for the site involves being able to engage in a factual debate) and come back at me, but have proof, recent and verifiable and not some ill-defined "I've heard of Soviet atrocities in the distant past", or crap from our neocon infested State department-and I guarantee you there are a shitton of very recent US atrocities I can cite right now.
I respect your opinion.
I'd rather not go any farther, if you don't mind.
Have a nice evening.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Pardon?
I'm sorry, but you seem to be participating in a different conversation than the one I thought we were having. You brought up Guantanamo, and I thought that I asked if you agreed that Guantanamo was an example of American bad behavior (sieze and occupy, and *we* were asked to leave not the Russians) and you're in my face with the Russians again. I don't know who Shaun Walker is, so if I quoted him, please tell me which words and I'll apologize for the unknowing plagiarism.
Do you always pay so little attention to what the other participants actually say in a conversation?
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OK Here it is
YOU are making the equivalence of "invasion" and "seize and occupy" in BOTH Ukraine and Cuba. MY point was simply that Crimea was Russian originally, and with a strategic nuclear base, would not have been easily given up to a bunch of fucking US-backed Nazis in any event, but damn near the entire populace voted to stay Russian-and they had very good reasons to do so-thus our holding Gitmo was a good comparison of BS propaganda relating to invasions and military bases. Or is this whole snarky comment just so much innocent commentary on US bad behavior?:
"Apparently my education is lacking
I was laboring under the impression that invasion was more or less equivalent to putting troops by force in someone else's territory, regardless of the reasons, or who is right or wrong in any dispute. Thanks for fixing that for me. I always felt that since we refused to leave when asked, we seized and occupied Guantanamo. Am I wrong about that too?"
So yeah-I was really paying attention, and your protestation of being misread is a rhetorical ploy.
Edit for (hopefully) more clarity:
I was delineating a contrast between the bases and you appeared to be making an equivalency
I should know better than this...
My intended point was simply that invasion is invasion, no matter who does it, no matter their reason.
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I understood that
and my point was that Crimea wasn't invaded. Now have you got some real examples of Russian invasion? Which was your original point, no?
Here's the original conversation:
"Remember all the countries Russia has invaded recently? Me neither. "
Your response:"Ukraine
Just to refresh your memory."
You have not provided any proof of Russian invasion, I'd like to know what you based that comment on? (Pluto's Republic has addressed the Ukraine issue better than I did, BTW)
Thank you for bringing facts to the table.
I'm glad you are here to do that, JuliaW.
Americans have been utterly bamboozled by the US overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected government. And manipulated with the pre-programmed boogyman trigger word: "Russia." The fact that they think Russia invaded Ukraine is simply sad, geopolitically speaking. The US has four geostationary satellites over Ukraine and yet they cannot come up with a picture of Russia "invading" Ukraine. Nor can they come up with a picture of MH17 being shot down.
Both East Ukraine and Crimea held votes for Self-Determination (a human right). The Crimeans voted for re-unification. East Ukraine for a referendum to operate as an independent state within Ukraine. Both Pew and Gallup verified those majority votes one year later.
West Ukraine (Kiev), the largest land mass of Ukraine, has never been attacked by anybody. The neonazis who rule from Kiev now, installed by the US, are still bent on the genocide of ethnic Russians who have lived in the East for centuries. They refuse to abide by the Minsk II agreement they signed with Germany and Russia and have continued with humanitarian atrocities against the East and Crimea, blocking all deliveries of medicine, blocking electricity and water, and seizing all of the people's bank accounts. The US participates in this atrocity by sea.
The NeoNazis have shredded the Ukraine constitution, removing many human rights including Self Determination. (I read constitutions and may be the only one who knows that.) All without the people's consent.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Thank you
for validating my commentary, and reinforcing some home truths. I am in contact with many on the left who have seen comrades disappeared, tortured, and murdered, not to mention the many thousands of civilians who have been maimed and killed by Nazi artillery and troops, who have lost homes and infrastructure thanks to our "bringing democracy" to Ukraine. What has been done to that country is a war crime.
Right wing think tank--funded NGOs
…have been working on this for most of a decade, in the Ukraine. As usual, it's all about oil and gas, and the attempt to put a NATO nuclear missile up Moscow's ass.
More US terrorism and the churning of US defense industry profits at a horrific cost to the Ukrainian people.
I am endlessly dismayed that Americans were so easily brainwashed over Ukraine.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
heard some excuse making for Obama on the Thom Hartman show
this woman explained that the reason Obama hasn't done good things is because he's not a dictator who rules by fiat.
That's it. That's why. It's all the Republicans' fault. They've stopped him.
You can't argue with that. They just disregard the bad stuff.
"He's Not A Dictator, You
"He's Not A Dictator, You Know" is a moldy oldie. Surprised they're resurrecting it at this point. Then again the Inevitability Meme is making a comeback in regards to Hill the Shill.
They say that there's a broken light for every heart on Broadway
They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
They give you masks and costumes and an outline of the story
And leave you all to improvise their vicious cabaret-- A. Moore
They're not "resurrecting" it.
The two ongoing memes since the 2009 Inauguration have been:
1] He's not a dictator
2] He's playing eleventy-seven dimensional chess.
Those two excuses explain everything from [a] putting Wall Street / Halliburton crooks in charge of government departments to [b] the shitty economy / wage stagnation to [c] the continued wars in the Near East, and more.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
but didn't he hire all those Czars?
Tinpots, all of them.
Beholden to their Masters in the Military and Wall Street.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
I fucking knew it re: sarin gas!
I knew we had something to do with it because of how hard the msm was pushing the story. Non stop videos of children dying horrible deaths, but our TV censors blur out fake dog shit on America's Funniest Home Videos, or a side boob.
I hope there's a special place in hell for everyone involved with that!
I hear you!
My one and only real diary on TOS was about media reports from Haiti.
I was incensed by the footage. Showing dead Haitians laying in the street.
Never see that from them at some natural disaster in the US. Must be ok when it's far away brown people.
Never posted another there. The grammar and style police chewed my a**
off.
I want a Pony!
And WHAT country pushed back HARD on that BS?, hmm?
Russia came out and said they had incontrovertible proof that the "insurgents"/freedom fighters/US supported dam takfiri lunatics were the ones using the fucking gas.
yep. exactly. n/t
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People only have a negative impression of HRC because of the GOP
http://opednews.com/articles/Trump-Earned-his-Stratosph-by-earl-ofari-hu...
Profound analysis, isn’t it? People’s negative impressions are only because of a Republican image campaign. Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with what Hillary is or what she’s done.
Like a lot of people, I
Like a lot of people, I simply don't trust anyone who gets paid a quarter million dollars to make a speech to the plutocrats. I don't trust people who come to politics with millions and leave with hundreds of millions.
Regardless of what she's done or said to make her seem untrustworthy, changing her accent in front of different audiences, or being a modgressive, etc... Of which there is no doubt a lot of material to raise eyebrows.
That would be a major accomplishment for the GOP!
Imagine that, they managed to give me a negative image of Hillary without me even reading their news outlets or watching their bogus media coverage.
Damn, I wonder if they did it with mind control rays?
(Starts scrambling around looking for Tinfoil...)
I guess that's an easier excuse to swallow than the truth, which is she is a shitty candidate, a shitty politician and a shitty human being...
I'm completely fed up with all this shit...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
That's just it
"Smell the win"
It's about team blue regardless of what team blue does or does not do while in power.
For example if Hillary goes with another catfood commission and "reforms entitlements" they'll find a way to defend that... just like people defend Bill Clinton even though the 1990s only lasting progressive achievement was the ADA of 1990 when Papi Bush was in the White House.
Vote Blue, always Blue
Even if She's
Not for You.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Catfood Commish here she comes.....
I should think that's probably at the top of her agenda, and you are exactly right. If she allows cuts to our social safety net the majority of people who voted for her will justify it in a million different ways. Then they'll blame it on the GOP. Then they'll vote for her again 4 years later. Then they'll bitch about how nothing changes, and they can't afford to retire, or their healthcare, and try to convince us to vote for her too!!
It's enough to make you wonder if it would be better to have a president Trump. If he proposes wars, SS cuts, etc... Dems will be a bit more inclined (not much, of course) to try and stop him. Minimally they'll have to pretend like they are against him or the voters will figure out that they really aren't on their side!!
Hey, BOB--she doesn't need another Cat Food Commission,
since portions of the Grand Bargain have been passed with each major legislation since the proposal was presented in December 2010.
Republican Senator Rob Portman boasted (2-3 years ago) at a Pete Peterson annual fiscal shindig, that lawmakers had already passed approximately 85% of the Fiscal Commission's recommendations.
Since Senator Portman said that, numerous more cuts have been passed to Medicare, and even policy changes to Medigap Insurance go into effect in 2020--they will shift additional costs to seniors [courtesy of Senators Boehner and Pelosi].
Also, cuts to Social Security Spousal benefits were passed in legislation in winter of 2015--effective on April 30, 2016.
As far as I can tell, no one cares.
If they do--where is the outrage?
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I don't think it's because no one cares
I don't think anyone has heard about these cuts. I certainly haven't, but I'm not surprised because our media whose job it is to keep us informed don't do their jobs.
Do you have a link or is there a way to search for it?
Thanks for staying on top of the threats to social security, Mollie
It's a good thing that we elected Obama instead of a republican president because they always want to cut our society safety networks and start new wars, pass horrible trade agreements and all the other things that it seems democratic presidents are able to do instead of looking out for us.
welfare reform, crime bills, nafta and bank deregulations.
Bill was just about to privatize social security until he started messing around with Monica Lewinsky. Funny how not many people know that, isn't it?
He's still held in high regard, but he's responsible for the global economic crisis that happened under Bush.
But I'm sure that it will be on Hillary's agenda.
I can't wait to see what more damage those two will do to this country and the world.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Media's "job" is to keep us UNinformed
and DISinformed and MISinformed. Nonstop celebrity scandals, but never a peep about the diabolical machinations in DC.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Spousal benefits changes?
In under 6 months? It will be 5 years until $15/hr wage changes go into full effect. Makes sense in bizzarro world, fast cuts and s l o w increases.
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President Trump, yes it's possible!
I don't support Trump and I don't think he's the "dumb jerk" he's playing on reality TV in order to get the votes he's gotten. He's been masterful, really, in manipulating the Grand Ole Party. Look what he's done. More than $2 billion in free media, and the wrath of the Republican establishment.
Trump has done what we've wanted to do for decades: destroyed the Republican party. First victim, JEB! and the establishment ( wasn't it something like $160 million JEB! spent?) and the next 15 fell in order.
Remember when someone criticized Trump for giving money to politicians, including Clintons, and he explained he gave politicians money so they'd do what he asked them to do. He knows just what to say to get the "I'm mad as hell & I'm not going to take it anymore" crowd.
Clintons don't know how to fight him, cuz he IS a "loose cannon." He doesn't say & do what he's "supposed" to say. Programmed Clintons doesn't know how to deal with it. Trump lies, and he & we know he is. Clintons lie, and we're supposed to ignore it and pretend they're telling the truth. Clintons keep repeating lies, and we're expected to keep pretending they're not lies.
Trump has an MBA from Wharton. His older sister is a Judge, advocating for women's rights. Clintons siblings - dumb jerks!
I don't have to vote for POTUS ( I'm in MA) but I will. If Bernie Sanders is not the nominee, I'll be one of the 47% voting for Trump as a vote AGAINST Clintons. Remember A B C , I still feel that way: Anybody But Clintons.
Trump destroys the Republican party if he wins, the Democratic party has a chance to get out from under the clutches of the criminal Clintons/DLC/Third Way.
Also think, there WILL be a Third Party. The millions of people supporting Bernie Sanders are not going to be absorbed by the Democratic party.
Vote against War . Vote Trump or Stein if HRC is nominee.
Or write in Bernie as first option.
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How has Trump.destroyed the
How has Trump.destroyed the GOP? They still control most of the States and the US Congress and will likely do so whether there's a President The Donald or not.
In four years if Hillary is POTUS they can recoup the White House if she's as scandal plagued as she has been her whole life....
All Trump has done is opened up the possibility that an individual plutocrat can run. He's just an American Berlosconi.
Can't let her and the neoliberals win.
I intend to vote against her. That means Trump. As far as TOP, stay away. It is full of ugly and stupid people.
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If you want to send a message Vote Green not Trump.
The message we want to send has to be both that we are done with the oligarchs control of our process AND a rejection of conservatism both in order to be fully effective IMO...
Other than that I agree with your sentiments entirely.
I haven't been over to GOS in a while and don't even miss it anymore.
Besides I gotta keep my account from being banned so I can come back and start posting crow recipes in the future.
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Go help the Green Party get onto the Ballot in more States.
I can't tell what the state of play is over there, they are on either 22 or 42 states. But they seem to need help.
So lets give it to them.
Bernie and Jill have the same platform, so lets get one of them elected.
The Cruptadems think they are the only game in town.
Lets show them different.
Not the same platform
I've been reading a great deal about Jill Stein and the Green Party.
It is not the same "platform." There are things Jill Stein supports, which Bernie doesn't. Also, think a Third Party would be more powerful than adding on to the Green Party. They've been active for years, and look how much more Bernie Sanders has been able to accomplishment in the year he's been running.
They have some similarities, but are definitely not the same.
I'm looking to create the People's Progressive Party, not joining an existing party. Think that's the more powerful way forward.
I don't really have much of a problem with the Green Party
having been a Green most of the time since 1992.
The problem is of course that the Greens are completely ineffective. They can't support their candidates with anything more than a ballot line. You'll need a party that will compromise principles in order to get a crowd of people willing to commit to class struggle, or some semblance thereof. Class struggle is the most basic form of political conflict, and Bernie's struggle against Wall Street is the most vital sign of his success.
Political platforms are meaningless. Pay attention to what people do, not what they say, and if you've learned anything from Hillary Clinton it should be this. Here is my political platform:
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
Tennessee Green
In Tennessee, the Green Party is fortunate enough to have earned the scorn of the Republican Party and its Demo sidekicks, who passed a law imposing ridiculous requirements on political parties to qualify to be on the state ballots. Because the restrictions were so obviously unreasonable, the Federal judiciary in Nashville routinely orders the state to put Greens on the ballot.
Federal Court: Tennessee Ballot Access Law Unfairly Burdens Third Parties
In 2012, Jill Stein got around 6,600 votes in the state, including mine.
I live in East Tennessee, where the Demo Party is almost completely non-existent, except in the cities of Knoxville and Chattanooga. My state senator and state rep are Republicans who always run unopposed. It would be great if the Green Party would get enough votes/registrations that it wouldn't need court intervention to stay on the ballot, but they won't get many of either around here.
Low-integrity voters.
That's a good one.
Kos... Kos... Kos...
Don't be a Fly...
Flies Eat Shit...
And Bother People...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
My first New Year's resolution in many years . . .
. . . was: Never go there again. I don't give a click!
It became a mind control cult long before I reached the point of swearing it off. I know somebody who used to be a Rajneeshee, and the Hillary cultists display a lot of the same behavior as the Rajneeshees.
Kos!
I simply can't go there anymore. I just declared their emails spam and unsubscribed.
But my account is intact, so I can go back and say, "You did this! You!"
The more people I meet, the more I love my cats.
Yes, we will have the moral upper hand in this election
Forever.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Three things.
1. Don't go if possible. Like others have said, clicks = $ for kos.
2. If you MUST go, please install uBlock Origin or another ad-blocker before going, to prevent ads from loading there.
3. Take heart. Since kos' brilliant decision, their website ranking in US has gone from #150 to #267. Like a rock: https://www.quantcast.com/dailykos.com#trafficCard
That place is only for clueless Republican-lites, and should be properly ignored and/or laughed at.
How to kill a website...
in one simple edict! Expand that link to view it at 90 days and you can see the continual downward trend. One big peak on March 13th and downhill from there. Looks like the idiot in charge over there has committed website suicide. And if you think the numbers are down now, watch what happens when the primary is over and the paid Hillary trolls aren't getting paychecks anymore. It will become the Daily Ghost Town. There will be more people visiting Bodie, CA. than that place.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Forgive me geebeebeeb
I know it's wrong of me to take delight in your posting of the kos stats, but I really appreciate it because I don't have to go there to find out and I'm glad that there is quantifiable consequences for such boneheadedness.
“The longer we dwell on our misfortunes, the greater is their power to harm us”
― Voltaire
I don't think you'll see those numbers
posted over there anymore! LOL!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
AdBlock works too
Three div tags one above comments, two on side.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Too many flies to swat
And they say things that are transparently false. The diary about Hillary calling Jeb's donors had endless comments about how this was a tactical effort to drain money from GOP donors, but if the commenter knows this, don't you think the donors themselves would too?
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Hard to believe that people once thought...
it was a reality based community. It's more like an insane asylum now. And getting worse every day!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Here's a song for all the Kosers
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
I don't know.
how OPOL. and LD. stay there and take it day after day.
Read a whole string of comments trying to trick OPOL. it to saying a bannable comment.
So stupid.
I want a Pony!
Kos and Trump have a lot in
Kos and Trump have a lot in common. If Trump had a political blog is would be called dailyTrump
Ha, you're right!
I might be stealing that in one of my daily tweets to the wonderful kos.
Nice to see you here!
Welcome to the sane precincts of the cool blue, TTS.
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I was one of the first 7000 users over there. The site started out by attracting many Deaniacs... although I wasn't one of those I admire the job he did afterwards at DNC.
In 2008 I think a lot of people -- myself included -- were fooled into thinking the Obama moment was a real chance for change. That ended when he chose all the usual suspects for economic advisors, and when he quickly abandoned the public option for ACA.
I think there's a great chance for Hillary to win this election but for Repubs to make huge gains in 2018 or for them to unseat her after one term.
Someone asked why Repubs didn't try harder this cycle, I think the smart money waits on the next recession, because nobody other than Bernie has a serious agenda to take on the continuing cycle of bubbles and tepid recoveries that are the byproduct of policies favoring rentiers and wealth hoarders. If Ms Clinton presides over a recession, the Dems would be toast. I don't think the usual solution of starting a war would even help her.