There's a Special Place in Hell reserved for Naomi Klein, apparently

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From the transcript.

"I don't trust her on climate at all," Klein told Al Jazeera’s Mehdi Hasan, in an UpFront interview ... "As secretary of state, when she had a huge megaphone to make this an issue, to show that she understands the connections between human security and climate, she didn't use the megaphone." [...]

The logic of her candidacy was because she had so much money […] which is why she is unbeatable — look at how deep the pockets are there. But the irony is, it’s where that money comes from and the entanglement of the Clinton Foundation with so many corporations and so many governments, that is what makes her vulnerable. So on the one hand, it’s supposed to be what makes it inevitable, and on the other hand it’s what I think makes her a weak candidate.

Ah yes, the sweet, sweet smell of million dollar donations from billionaires. Not going to influence her decision making one bit.

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Damnit Janet's picture

I can just imagine how Hillary's Mean Girls are going to attack.

At least one could ignore Palin's goons.

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

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She was Secretary of State while the EPA flubbed its coverage of fracking, and her position on fossil fuels has been to act sort of responsible when people were looking, and then do whatever the oil companies needed.

There's no reason to trust her when it comes to the climate in any way.

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There's no reason to trust her when it comes to the climate in any way.

There, fixed it for you, (FIFY at my old haunt. We had a little crescent wrench emoji too) Mosking

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Anyone been having trouble with them on the site?

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The only way I’ve been able get them to work reliably is to type them as an HTML “entity” of the form &#x1nnnn; .

As a retired software developer I have a widget that tells me the hexadecimal (base-16) value to use for any given emoji. But I can imagine that most people wouldn’t.

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I got mine to work with the HTML entity too. What happens when you try and copy-paste or enter them in directly?

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prog - weirdo | dog - woof

I just sent you an email about Drupal+unicode emojis+PDOException errors, they may help.

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I get an error message: “The website encountered an unexpected error. Please try again later.”

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that's exactly the error we are trying to debug, it kicks out a PDOException error in the logs.

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and it kicked out PDOEXception errors related to your username when you hit save. We are on the right track, thanks lotlizard.

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http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-...

ONE ICY MORNING in February 2012, Hillary Clinton's plane touched down in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, which was just digging out from a fierce blizzard. Wrapped in a thick coat, the secretary of state descended the stairs to the snow-covered tarmac, where she and her aides piled into a motorcade bound for the presidential palace. That afternoon, they huddled with Bulgarian leaders, including Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, discussing everything from Syria's bloody civil war to their joint search for loose nukes. But the focus of the talks was fracking. The previous year, Bulgaria had signed a five-year, $68 million deal, granting US oil giant Chevron millions of acres in shale gas concessions. Bulgarians were outraged. Shortly before Clinton arrived, tens of thousands of protesters poured into the streets carrying placards that read "Stop fracking with our water" and "Chevron go home." Bulgaria's parliament responded by voting overwhelmingly for a fracking moratorium.

Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project, and Romania's parliament began weighing its own shale gas moratorium. Again Clinton intervened, dispatching her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans. The State Depart­ment's lobbying effort culminated in late May 2012, when Morningstar held a series of meetings on fracking with top Bulgarian and Romanian officials. He also touted the technology in an interview on Bulgarian national radio, saying it could lead to a fivefold drop in the price of natural gas. A few weeks later, Romania's parliament voted down its proposed fracking ban and Bulgaria's eased its moratorium.

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Now I will always relate that phrase to Hillary. Not only did she overwhelmingly support the illegal invasion of Iraq, she declared war on the planet.

In Canada, we have an entire city of 80,000 people being evacuated because of our overheated-planet-caused wildfires.

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To thine own self be true.

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Man the perimeter.
Hillary Clinton. .....poster child for Disaster Capitalism.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

or anything else for that matter. Her stance on climate is the major reason I could never vote for her. She says climate change is real but she sold fracking to the world. She believes that fracking is the 'bridge fuel' Fracking is the bridge to species extinction-including our own. Not to mention water contamination and water insecurity.

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For sure. There's pretty much nothing on this planet that can survive once we pollute our limited stores of freshwater. Except a few creepy spiders and desert creatures. *shiver*

So freaking short sighted it makes me want to scream. Like destroying the oceans and polluting the land isn't enough? Grrrr.

I remember years ago seeing a show on the old Discovery channel about evolution and what would possibly be here millions of years from now when humans were gone. And one of the ideas was the "silver spider" - a giant metallic-colored spider that reflected the sunlight and lived in the tops of trees. I don't remember the reasoning, I just remember being profoundly disturbed by it. Shok

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The logic of her candidacy was because she had so much money […] which is why she is unbeatable — look at how deep the pockets are there. But the irony is, it’s where that money comes from and the entanglement of the Clinton Foundation with so many corporations and so many governments, that is what makes her vulnerable. So on the one hand, it’s supposed to be what makes it inevitable, and on the other hand it’s what I think makes her a weak candidate.

Seriously, a majority of the general voting public dislikes and even despises her. They know she's a corrupt liar. The only reason she might be elected (if she is nominated, not indicted, etc) is because the public hates the Republican nominee WORSE. What kind of crazy fucked up country is this? I think we're about at that point where everything is so rotten that with one little push it all comes crashing down.

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Tell the truth and run - Croatian proverb

Does the name "Andrew Jackson" ring any bells?

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He had actually been under enemy fire, for real, and given the US one of its few (if pointless) victories in an otherwise humiliating war. (Fortunately, the British regarded the War of 1812 as an annoying distraction from the Serious Business of defeating Napoleon.)

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

None of us have met a human being who was without moral or ethical fault, yet we demand that folks who lived 2 centuries ago live up to the same modern ethical standards that we cannot satisfy ourselves, or we condemn them as diabolical. Jackson, Jefferson, Hamilton, Washington, Adams, Madison ... none of them were paragons of modern virtue. That doesn't mean they weren't extraordinary. Jackson's contempt for Native Americans baffles me, but whatever else he was or wasn't, he was neither sleazy nor unlikeable (at least, not in the company of common folk).

Jesus, or whoever was putting words in his mouth, tried to explain the folly of demanding from others what we cannot manage for ourselves. He may as well have spoken to the wind.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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Banks.
He took on the predator banks of his day.
He owned slaves but never sold any. He also did not bring US troops against debters. which Washington & Hamelton did.
He had an Indian adopted son which he tried to have appointed to the Naval Acadamy,
but was blocked and then the boy died.
His brother in law was killed by indians on the way to his wedding and he did the Trail of Tears, but he was in no way an exemplar of privlaged corporate greed and corruption. Jackson and his brother were taken prisioner in a battle when he was 14 and his left hand was maimed when he refused to clean a British office's boots. He contracted smallpox in the British camp and his mother came and somehow walked him and his brother 45 miles home in the rain. His brother died. He was very sick for a while but when he was out of danger his mother went to Charleston to nurse other wounded prisioners of war. There she caught cholera and died, leaving him an orphan.
Jackson's life was complicated but one of real grit, real achievement, real service, and perservance .

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Banks.
He took on the predator banks of his day.
He owned slaves but never sold any. He also did not bring US troops against debters. which Washington & Hamelton did.
He had an Indian adopted son which he tried to have appointed to the Naval Acadamy,
but was blocked and then the boy died.
His brother in law was killed by indians on the way to his wedding and he did the Trail of Tears, but he was in no way an exemplar of privlaged corporate greed and corruption. Jackson and his brother were taken prisioner in a battle when he was 14 and his left hand was maimed when he refused to clean a British office's boots. He contracted smallpox in the British camp and his mother came and somehow walked him and his brother 45 miles home in the rain. His brother died. He was very sick for a while but when he was out of danger his mother went to Charleston to nurse other wounded prisioners of war. There she caught cholera and died, leaving him an orphan.
Jackson's life was complicated but one of real grit, real achievement, real service, and perservance .

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It is outrageous to judge people who lived two centuries ago by the mores of our own time. For his era, Jackson was enlightened. So was Jefferson.

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Twain Disciple

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because of the people one would meet there.

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Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.

IN MY BED!!

Ba dum BUM. Tish.

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On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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Please don't reduce women to their sexuality.

Ask yourself how much different your statement is from honking your car horn?

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1. Naomi Klein is not walking down the street, being subjected to a direct physical assault by some random guy she doesn't know and doesn't want to know.

2. Naomi Klein is not, indeed, in any danger of ever being in a room with me.

3. Rather than "reducing Naomi Klein to her sexuality" (a dubious formulation, by the way, that I consider to be an almost meaningless slogan devoid of a substantive relationship to the reality of human interaction and cognition), my remark "reduces" Naomi Klein to a person whose ideas (and fearless expression thereof) make her someone with whom I would like to be intimately familiar. Have we finally reached a new fourth-wave feminism where I'm not even allowed to be sexually attracted to women because of their minds? Woebetides the left, if so.

Nonetheless, if you care to recruit three people who support your viewpoint on this remark, I will cheerfully, and immediately, change my password and nevermore darken this place with my wicked and nasty and smelly and dirty and disgusting libidinous male aggression.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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"yeah, she is young and attractive, too." it's about her looks, imo, I have no problem with your comment.

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And what relevance is it to anyone but yourself?

Ask yourself, has there been any point in history that we don't look at now and go "WTF were they thinking doing X?" We are no different. Then it's a question of what are we doing today that the future will repudiate?

In a discussion of ideas, let's stick to the ideas, the personal is at best a distraction and at worst ad hominem.

Talk about this exchange with the women in your life and see what their perspectives are. I have no idea what they'll say.

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humor-deficient, and conversations like this one are it. 90% of all the words typed on this blog are a distraction from the task at hand. That's humanity for ya'.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

And I was not offended. I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard a woman say something like that about Tom Cruise, Tommy Lee Jones, Al Gore, etc., etc. (Showed my age there, didn't I?) A little unexpected on a political blog, but hey...

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Twain Disciple

we talk about it because we are biologically engineered to be thinking about it, or at least to be responsive to stimuli to thinking about it, more or less 100% of the time.

trying to strip sex out of the political conversation on the grounds that it's "personal" translates, i believe, into trying to strip humanity out the political conversation. everything that's interesting and important in politics concerns that which is human; it is the center, the cornerstone, the foundation, the keystone. no solution is of interest that is not built around the human. how can we do that, if the first thing we do is insist that everyone check their most fundamental human concern at the door to the workshop?

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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One - it was a joke

Two - she's an incredibly brilliant woman, not some mindless bimbo with good looks

Three - although I wouldn't make that joke, probably, I certainly do find myself attracted to brilliant people, smart people are just attractive to me, and if they are male, since I am hetero, there is certainly an added element of sexual attraction.

I don't act on it, but its there.

I don't think we all need to be so humorless all the time.

It's not an insult to find someone attractive. it is an insult to reduce someone to nothing but a sexual object, but I don't really think that was being done here.

Just my two cents.

Edited to add: Can people please stop threatening to leave the site the first time they get into a tiff, Untimely? I have more of a problem with that. You defended yourself, everyone doesn't have to agree with you.

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Just sayin'.

My God, I see the argument, and I've made it from time to time myself. But does everything have to be so flippin' serious, all the time, about every single utterance? Can we not take a leer in the spirit which it was obviously intended?

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that I originally wrote on GOS.

Unfortunately I posted it at 1AM (Didn't have the delay post time configured properly, lol!) so it didn't get any eyes. Smile

The feeling that the left is "Too Sensitive" is one of the major hurdles we need to overcome to get those that agree with us on almost all the major issues but vote against us, and their own best interests, anyway to stop doing so.

If you have a chance please check it out, I would love to hear your opinion.

An Ex-RWNJ's guide to converting RWNJ's.

(edited to finish a sentence that just ended wrong... Smile )

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I remember you put the link in my one and only diary at GOS about my RWNJ parents.

It was a good essay - you should repost it here.

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It makes me happy that you remembered it, I guess that means it wasn't total rubbish, lol!

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Sometimes fantasies are better left unspoken.

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Read that in a Redd Foxx voice. Smile

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"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"

That was really one of the strangest sit-coms ever.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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“I'll take Heaven for the climate and Hell for society.”

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... but that's where all my friends are"
and I sure don't care to hang out with the Hillary crew, wherever they are going.

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I sure don't care to hang out with the Hillary crew, wherever they are going.

If Hillary and crew are running it, it's hell by definition!

Wink

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Redacted Tonight (Lee Camp) is starting to make the daily show look lame. Spoiler alert: This election has been truly F__ked Up.
[first 16 minutes of the video]

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

If only for the last he shows of the States where exit polls are well above 4% difference between polls and votesn the level considered an indicator of election fraud.

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are among the worst in the world.

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subscribe to his channel. Smile

He has a funny delivery, with just a little more polish he could blow up.

Man, I really miss the old Daily Show... I wish John Oliver would have taken over either the Daily show or for Colbert. His show on HBO is excellent but entirely too short and would be awesome daily. Smile

Trevor is doing ok, but just ok. Larry is either awesome or ho-hum depending on the day and what guests and contributors he has on.

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It was outstanding.

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After the Hellery presidency to add a Clinton chapter. It should go right after the Pinochet chapter (always save the worst for last).

Klien was too easy on Hellery in this interview (IMO). But I guess I have my bias.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/clinton-flip-flops-on-coal-now-wants-coal-...

Clinton Flip-Flops on Coal, Now Wants Coal to Prosper

Hillary Clinton has a very complicated opinion of coal. In March, she proudly declared, "we are going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

Now, she says she wants to see coal "continued to be sold and continued to be mined."

Which is it?

Ah yes, the carbon capture myth.

http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/carbon-capture-and-storage-a-myth

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Need I say more?

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Hilli Vanilli.

In all seriousness, the ongoing, blatant pandering misspeaking LYING makes me apeshit. (Of course, why should I be surprised? Business as usual in Clintonland).

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

I thought this was all behind us once the biggest CCS project flopped a few years ago, but then she says this and I can't think of a comment that could have undermined any confidence I had in her more...

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Disastrous rhythm, the heavy and mobile masses, the dance of the
Dream-led masses down the dark mountain.
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once the biggest CCS project flopped a few years ago

Since I'm getting something on climate change published soon, I'd be interested to know...

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“The Democrats and Republicans want you to believe they are mortal enemies engaged in a desperate struggle when all the time, they are partners with a power-sharing agreement.” - Richard Moser

would actually "work" -- in particular chemical mineralization.

And what I mean by "work" is, it is economically feasible as a means, over the next century, to first slow, and then unwind, the carbon damage we've done to the environment; meanwhile, of course, we'd be implementing the switchover to sustainable renewables.

The biggest problem with this approach is that the corresponding carbon tax that would pay for building the CCS infrastructure would render fossil fuels uncompetitive with other sources of energy -- and thus, it's opposed tooth and nail by Exxon et al.

The objection raised at your link -- that "everyone" thinks we are 30 to 50 years away from being on-line with a significant CCS capability -- is, to me, disturbingly similar to the "We'll never go solar, because it will take a hundred years to build it all," story that we've heard for the last decade. Think big, kids, think big. I ran the numbers a year or two ago, and I think I figured the cost of mineralization CCS would be somewhere in the single digit percentages of the world's GDP. All we need to do is agree to take that fraction of the GDP away from the plutocrats and redirect it to addressing this un-ignorable crisis.

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AGCC is happening.
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The fraction of GDP required would be much smaller than the fraction of GDP we stand to lose, and the fraction of the human population that will be displaced.

Sadly, apparently plutocrats have no incentive to learn fractions.

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machine that was remarkably effective at incentivizing learning amidst the plutocracy.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

If renewable energy could be utilized as an engine of war, it would be developed so fast it would make the Manhattan Project look like a political patronage project.

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And what I mean by "work" is, it is economically feasible as a means, over the next century, to first slow, and then unwind, the carbon damage we've done to the environment

I'd be interested to know what sort of defense "carbon capture and storage" has. Of course, today it serves as a pretext -- we should continue mining coal because "carbon capture and storage" is possible.

The biggest problem with this approach is that the corresponding carbon tax that would pay for building the CCS infrastructure would render fossil fuels uncompetitive with other sources of energy

1. No carbon tax is going to be imposed which will impede "the economy." Under capitalism governments can't afford it.

2. Carbon taxes are at best a very small aspect of any solution, and they're an aspect that's likely to get in the way. Why not just have government go into debt, build the new infrastructure, and nationalize and phase out fossil fuels? The only reason they're going to these "economic incentive" "solutions" is that they don't want to scare the Powers That Be into thinking that neoliberalism is going away. And neoliberalism should go away.

3. So yeah, I don't buy into the "carbon tax" hype. My diary on climate change is here:

http://www.caucus99percent.com/content/alternate-approach-climate-change...

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“The Democrats and Republicans want you to believe they are mortal enemies engaged in a desperate struggle when all the time, they are partners with a power-sharing agreement.” - Richard Moser

problem that I identified as a problem is a problem.

A carbon tax is just a political approach to assigning some sort of responsibility for the expenditure. Also, MMT notwithstanding -- to be polite -- adding $1T to $2T per year in deficit spending has a potential macroeconomic downside.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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If the economy didn't collapse with a $16 trillion national debt, it's not going to collapse with a $20 trillion one.

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“The Democrats and Republicans want you to believe they are mortal enemies engaged in a desperate struggle when all the time, they are partners with a power-sharing agreement.” - Richard Moser

nonetheless, you can't print money an infinite supply of money without facing some consequences.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

lunachickie's picture

this is an awfully Peterson-like statement:

you can't print money an infinite supply of money without facing some consequences.

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It's not a conclusion at which I've arrived by reading right-wing deficit hawks, it's a conclusion at which I've arrived by thinking very hard about the dynamical properties of the system we call money.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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Canadian hero Naomi Klein, I will follow her anywhere even into the fictional "gates of hell."

This is what hell looks like, tinder dry boreal forest because of drought and excessive hot weather causes uncontrollable wild fires. Climate Change is here. This is very close to the flammable tar sands operation.

Fort McMurray, Alberta Canada
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Haikukitty's picture

Everywhere, all the time. That's a little bit of hell, too. (Your top photo) What a ridiculously unsatisfactory world we humans have created. We didn't HAVE to do it this way.

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MarilynW's picture

it looks like they could walk or run faster than they are going. Wish them all the luck getting away from that hell fire.

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To thine own self be true.

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Well, I'm standing by a river but the water doesn't flow
It boils with every poison you can think of
And I'm underneath the streetlight but the light of joy I know
Is scared beyond belief way down in the shadows

And the perverted fear of violence
Chokes the smile on every face
And common sense is ringing out the bell

This ain't no technological breakdown
Oh, no, this is the road to Hell

And all the roads jam up with credit
And there's nothing you can do
It's all just bits of paper
Flying away from you

Oh, look out, world
Take a good look what comes down here
You must learn this lesson fast and learn it well

This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway
Oh, no, this is the road, I said this is the road
This is the road to Hell

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This ain't no technological breakdown
Oh, no, this is the road to Hell

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To thine own self be true.

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by Warren Zevon c. 1989 Zevon Music/BMI

(4-Aminobiphenyl, hexachlorobenzene
Dimethyl sulfate, chloromethyl methylether
2, 3, 7, 8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-
para-dioxin, carbon disulfide)

(Dibromochloropane, chlorinated
benzenes, 2-Nitropropane, pentachlorophenol,
Benzotrichloride, strontium chromate
1, 2-Dibromo-3-chloropropane)

I went walking in the wasted city
Started thinking about entropy
Smelled the wind from the ruined river
Went home to watch TV

And it's worse when I try to remember
When I think about then and now
I'd rather see it on the news at eleven
Sit back, and watch it run straight down

Run straight down
Run straight down
I can see it with my eyes closed
Run straight down

We've been living in the shadows all our lives
Where it's stand in line and don't look back and don't look left and don't look right
So we hide our eyes and wonder who'll survive
Waiting for the night...

Fluorocarbons in the ozone layer
First the water and the wildlife go
Pretty soon there's not a creature stirring
'Cept the robots at the dynamo

And it's worse when I try to remember
When I think about then and now
I'd rather see it on the news at eleven
Sit back, and watch it run straight down

Run straight down
Run straight down
I can see it with my eyes closed
Run straight down

SONGWRITER
ZEVON, WARREN

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The more people I meet, the more I love my cats.

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The human race hit its maximum sustainable size in the early 20th Century. Nearly everything that's gone to hell in a handbasket since then can be traced back to that fact.

We now can assume that "we can raise them all". And we need to tailor our baby-making accordingly.

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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I for one want to see what hell looks like.

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To thine own self be true.

expected in Minnesota tomorrow (Thursday).

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"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"

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I-37 so that both sides of freeway have traffic headed north towards San Antone. By the photo above it looks like that wasn't done up there in Ft M.

Lucky for me, I had good friends who lived near Beeville when we were warned to evacuate Corpus.

It's awful to leave your home not knowing if it will be there the next day.

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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons

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To thine own self be true.

ZimInSeattle's picture

world, 200 years or so for us humans to destroy it. I have great fear for the younger people in this world.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020

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And no, we're not some unthinking insect or bacteria or virus spreading out of control (well, we kind of are, but...) - we like to think we're the smartest thing ever to be produced by this planet - so smart that we have a right to rule over and destroy every other living thing, even though any idiot can see it means the death of ourselves as well.

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Raggedy Ann's picture

Always has, always will.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Lookout's picture

Based on her book This Changes Everything - Capitalism vs the Climate

Many of her speeches are on youtube and worth the time if you've got it. Her website includes many of her articles. http://www.naomiklein.org/main

I always wondered about the threat of hell. Even as a kid it seemed to me hell with my buddies would be better than heaven with the self righteous.

Here's the movie trailer

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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I'll take heaven for the climate and hell for the society.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg