Bernie's List
Just read an "insider's" article on Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-fundraising-list-22...) about Bernie's very much coveted contributor list of the millions of his supporters that contribute whenever he sends an email. The entire DNC and their down-ballot candidates want his campaign to be over already so they can get access to his list. That includes Hillary, her superdelegate pals, and pro-Clinton groups. In other words, every turncoat pseudo progressive out there. The authors concluded that after the dust settles, Bernie will just give his list to the Democratic powers that be because Bernie always comes through for his fellow Dems, like voting for the ACA and Dodd-Frank. I think Bernie should keep this list in a vault and use it to build up our movement so we can become the government our country once was - for the people, not the 1%. Besides, I would feel betrayed by Bernie if the Clintonistas got their greedy hands on my information. I won't vote for Hill; why would I want to contribute to her or her sycophants? What do you think?
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My take is that they already have some of Bernie's voters info
that was gathered from the 'datagate' incident. There may be another answer but my kid is a Bernie voter/contributor and was purged from roles in Brooklyn. Let's just say I don't trust them, and don't want my name added to their hit list.
Using Bernie's data to purge voter rolls
Sounds like the kind of thing a Clinton campaign would do. Hell no. Not now. Not ever.
Beware the bullshit factories.
A comment at Naked Capitalism seems to confirm your suspicions
(and other posters downthread) to wit:
"There were at least two breaches of the data firewall, one of which we didn’t find out about until after the fact.
In retrospect, it struck me that I started receiving unsolicited emails from the Clint0n campaign shortly after the first breach. I do not believe this was a coincidence.
I think we know exactly where the information on which voters to purge came from."
Bernie contributions are processed by ActBlue
I don't know what their specific arrangement is between ActBlue and the Democrat party, but I will bet that DNC already has access to the list of Bernie contributers thru ActBlue. After all, when Bernie signed up to run as a Dem, it was all one big happy family.
IMO, the Dems let Bernie run as a Dem b/c they thought his progressive credentials would capture the liberals and Hellery would triangulate to the centrists voters. Little did they envision this Revolution thingy getting out of control.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Won't do them any good
I think an awful lot of us have already written them off any donations ever again.
They're kind of missing the point of Bernie's donations.
Because my income is very small...
Even when I was practicing law, I have always been very low income (except for a year or two, I always worked for non-profits) plus being a single mom of two, I had never contributed money to a political campaign. Why would I contribute $20 or $50, which for me would buy a lot of lunches, when the candidates could get thousands upon thousands from their rich donors? Even for Obama, I did not contribute a penny.
The first time I have contributed is to Bernie Sanders. I started almost a year ago, with a monthly donation (with a few tiny contributions in between) and now I changed it to weekly. For that I have given up getting haircuts and mani/pedis (not a luxury, at my age I can't comfortably reach my feet.) Does Hillary think I would do that for her? Think again, bitch.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
totally
bitch
With all apologies to honest mothers of puppies!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Meh
First off, I'd like to give a shout out to Harry Reid. Fuck you Harry! After the shit you pulled in Nevada and you're asking for Bernie's list!! Fuck you again Harry!!
Secondly, Who the hell thinks that Bernie's donors would give money or support to anyone other than Bernie? I'm on Bernie's list. I'd consider donating to Tulsi Gabbard or Jeff Merkley, you know, pols that had enough guts to come out and support Bernie but I won't give a dime to the ones that supported clinton including my own senator Sherrod Brown. And the fence riders like Warren? Not a dime.
So yeah washington insiders, even if you do get "THE LIST" good luck with it....
lovin it....
Every now and then, I think I'm battling Tourrette Syndrome. I get this uncontrollable urge on my FB page to shout out "fuck the Clintons and the Democrats". Glad to know I am not alone.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Fuck the Clintons and the Democrats!
Yeah. Good stuff.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Give us opportunity to opt out
Think Sanders Campaign should give their donors the opportunity to OPT OUT of having their emails and personal information shared. Maybe some already have the list, nothing the Clintons do would ever surprise me. But I still think for Bernie Sanders to keep his integrity, he should give his funders the chance to opt out of sharing their information.
We didn't give money to the Democrats, we gave it to Bernie Sanders. Think it would show a lack of integrity to give the information to the very people we're trying to defeat.
This is not a business as usual election. I don't give a damn about the label D, or d, or DNC,DLC, Third Way.
Hope Bernie gets a billion for it...
Looking forward to the day when I get an email from them, and I get to say "fuck you, Hillary and the Democratic Party".
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I say it every time I get the mailer to contribute to the DNC
I write all over it telling them how I'd never give a penny to a corrupt organization built to extract $ from the people to fill their own pockets, etc. I wonder if anybody actually reads it, but it feels good and its on their dime.
Preach it
I used to do that too, telling them I'd contribute when they kicked DWS out on her ass. They stopped sending me mail. LOL
The day after the primary in my state I changed my party affiliation to Independent and few things have ever felt so good.
Ron Wyden = TPPLuv
Wyden started sending me money begs - not sure how/why. Anyhoo, this is (one of) my reply(s):
And another one
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Many of Bernie's
Donors are people who had never contributed to a campaign before. The reason his donations are small is that they often come from people who are living on social security, poor working people, etc. They/we give up something to afford these small donations. Politicians who think these people will donate to them if Bernie is out, are incredibly stupid.
Yep, see my comment above.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Hillary's Con
I got a letter from the Hillary Victory Fund telling me that "we have a real fight on our hands." I sent back a form wherein they asked for a "Personal Message to Hillary!" This is the message I sent:
Yep! You got a fight on your hands alright. And the fight is with me and a lot of other progressives who don't like Republicans masquerading as Democrats. Go away!
I signed it and sent it back in the postage paid envelope with my contribution amount as "zero." I figure the fat cats can afford the postage.
The letter probably means her campaign has at least a portion of Bernie's list. My reply should give them a hint as to how much good it will do them.
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
I wrote something quite similar. . .
when I returned the envelope. . .without adding the postage.
I have to admit it was quite satisfying.
I assume they have serfs opening the mail
and nobody who cares sees anything I've written, so I've stopped commenting, but I do stuff the donation envelope and send it back. At least they have to pay the postage for annoying me.
My envelope from Hillary came the other day
and it is sitting there while I am taking the time to write something short and clever on the message page. Your reply is great. I might just tell her that after careful consideration at age 65 and voting Dem for a lifetime that I have decided to only spend my vote on candidates who are not weak and corrupt from now on, and that she didn't make the list.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
good luck
Srsly!! I strongly suspect that there will be many more calls like the DNC's call to me day before yesterday, where some poor phonebanker got both barrels from me re: giving my money to Hillary.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I hope they spend lots of money to buy Bernie's list
Bernie will put that money to good use, and I'm confident that he will stay active in helping to guide the movement he's done so much to build. I won't be the only one sending campaign email to the spam folder if those candidates aren't supporting the movement's agenda.
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Love your perspective
Hadn't thought of that!
Then, we could unsubscribe and tell all those idiots to Fuck Off at the same time.
Thanks for your perspective!
heh
in that case, we go guerrilla on their asses. Now we know what to do with all those little birdie stickers we're about to get in the mail. Hoard them for now, then ... !
I got my birdie sticker
2 days ago! And I have buttons and other stickers, too! Hit your local campaign office if it's still open! I should check on my office...
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Bernie didn't "come though for his fellow dems"
On the ACA.
He got $11 billion for community health centers, increasing access from 18M to 28M Americans. Then He voted for it, and only then.
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/gop-senators-support-sanders-obamaca...
Not One Thin Dime
is going to the DNC or the Clinton Crime Cartel. They can spam my throwaway account all they want. And after our closed Primary we're both changing to Independent.
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Somehow I got an email
From Hillary's campaign right after the data breach.
I hit that unsubscribe button so fast it wasn't funny.
I got an email as well.
I blocked it.
Not a cent to the dems.
Hillary can spend her own fucking money to buy the presidency.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
well she'll be spending other people's money
Billionaires and corporations.
I think they want the list more for getting potential volunteers than money. Unless they are incredibly stupid, which is always a possibility.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
I can't imagine
them surfing for volunteers after the shitty way they have treated the Berners, and I can't imagine a sincere Berner getting particularly excited about Hillary because of her policy positions.
Honestly, why would anybody want us, in the most positive light?
I think they want to "know us" for future reference.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
right behind you after Tuesday
I sent back the DNC snail mail questionnaires I got w no response but with sloppy handwritten message: "I am leaving the Democratic Party after I vote on April 26". And I don't put a stamp on the envelope.
Don't believe everything you think.
Clinton Crime Cartel
Excellent. Haven't seen that before.
Clinton Crime Cartel
also
Im just gonna toss this in here, not sure y'all have seen it.
Sanders Returns: "It's Not Just About Me," Clinton Will Have To Change Her Platform To Earn My Support
Love the Bernster but
any promise from Hellery will last as long as a snowflake in July. As always, I do applaud his optimism tho. And thanks for that link LL.
And I'll just drop this here too. Bernie says "This is a Revolution, not a Sunday Outing!" Hahahaha.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Andrea Mitchell is such a tool
I love that Bernie has already stated that his support will be conditional on Clinton's stances. It's the perfect response, and it puts the Clinton Democrats on notice. They're going to need Bernie's support, and the only way they're going to get many votes from his supporters is with a very public and repeated commitment to many of his issues. He will get credit for that, and his power will grow.
If Clinton tells him to buzz off and drops the unity rhetoric right after the convention, Bernie won't be shy or quiet about calling her out on it. She'll lose a lot of potential votes, and will sweat a lot more in the general. She will come to realize marginalizing Bernie and his supporters is a big mistake.
This interview tells me the campaign continues after Philadelphia, and that's the best news I've heard in a while.
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Before and After Philadelphia
The question I want to keep asking.
Why would anyone in the Democratic party expect to get votes from Independents or any of the other people funding and supporting Bernie Sanders when they've said so often only REGISTERED Democrats should be allowed to vote in a Democratic primary. Why would people who did not have a voice in selecting the nominee, be expected to vote for that nominee? Just doesn't make sense. It has nothing to do with "party unity" -we aren't members of the Democratic party and we were not welcome to participate in primaries, so why should we be expected to support their nominee?
I could give a Flying Fuck what Clinton PROMISES
Her promises are written on toilet paper. And we all know what TP's used for. Platforms are the red flag waved in front of the bull. The bull takes the bait and the red flag is swept away at the last moment. SEE: President Marshmallow.
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more like....
The bullCharlie Brown takes the bait and thered flagfootball is swept away at the last moment. SEE: President Marshmallow."US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The GOP is in even worse shape
Per the NYT this morning, The Small Handed One being self-funded means he doesn't even have a list.
In fact, the only GOP candidate who does is Cruz:
(Data from the FEC contributions database as of 3/31.)
Even Kasich's list is bigger than the one of the Unindexed Fund.
Yes! His is the smallest!!
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
jeezuz
Very interesting chart there. Sanders = flyin' off the charts!! Then... Cruz (ugh), Trump and Clinton among the most hated people in America, well the world probably.
If its any consolation to anyone, my two Committed Christian sisters have nothing but disdain for both Trump and Cruz.
This chart shows how the whole Trump scare
is fear-mongering by the Clintonistas.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Unfortunately my chart doesn't really show that
(We do not speak his name. Please call him something rude instead to thwart the all-seeing Google!)
This is just contributors and the model doesn't hold for self-funded candidates. What it does show is that if Ivanka's Boyfriend is not the nominee, then the GOP has no data on their largest demographic. He may even be doing that deliberately to help secure the nomination.
Personally, I'm not afraid of The Orange One because his unfavourability is so stratospheric(citizen ship applications are starting to overwhelm the system here in the PNW). And if the DNC wants to scare me on that front, they would be more credible if they backed the man who beats him...
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Shows how stupid and entitled the establishment is....
Bernie’s email list is worth squat to the Democrats. Bernie and his policies brought people into that party, not the Clintons, or their authoritarian DLC trickle down politics or the DNC. After deleting the “no show”s , #BernieOrBusts, #NeverHillarys, Independents, Hillary operatives and spies, and Republicans from Bernie’s email list, they might get 40% of the handful left that would actually be willing to give them $27.00 one time — maybe. If they’re lucky, 50% of what’s left might even give Hillary their vote.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
#BernieorElseWeWalk eom
I'll just block their emails.
I don't get them now, but if Bernie sells the list, I'll block them and send them interesting letters if they do direct mail and provide postage paid envelopes.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
engraved on nice, thick granite tablets
Just remember that USPS won't haul any object heavier than 75 pounds....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
What I hope he does is
hang on to his list and email on behalf of the http://berniecrats.net/. Person by person. I'm not for sale and neither is my vote.
Don't believe everything you think.
Yes!
Los Angeles has a great Bernie-crat running for mayor next year and something like this would probably be invaluable.
Hell no
Beware the bullshit factories.
IF Bernie's List...
If Bernie's list is valuable in the future it would have to used correctly, and in my mind that effective way to use it is the way he has been using it - by Bernie sending a plea to support a specific candidate that embodies Bernie's/our values. Basically, the list is useless to the DNC for what the DNC would likely try to use it.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
There must be 50 ways
of saying not my money, you jerks!
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
I won't hold my nose
I won't hold my nose and vote for Clinton instead I will put my finger in the air. I am a lifelong democrat but lesser of two evils is no longer a compelling campaign slogan. Good luck to the dnc trying to get money or votes from me. To paraphrase Bill Cinton "I will not vote for that woman"
Hell no, we won't go along.
I won't hold a grudge when
I won't hold a grudge when Bernie sells his list. It just gives me an opportunity to tell Clinton, the DNC, and non-progressive candidates to fuck off.
I read the Politico article linked at the top of the page . . .
. . . and the comments were pretty interesting.
Most folks were saying "hell no." Then there was the Clinton troll. After she wrote a few comments, gobs of folks wrote back and asked, "Are you a Hillary troll? How much is she paying you? Do you get paid by the post or by the hour?"
That was just wonderful.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Opt-in...Opt-out...NEITHER!
Bernie's list should not be available.
It's between Bernie and the donors.
You wanna give $$ to 'her'...to DNC...DWS..DLC...anybody. Have at it.
The revolution will not be moniterized.
I want a Pony!
If I can't write in
Bernard Sanders for President.
I'll be voting for Jill Stein.
Hillary has demonstrated on a repeated basis,
why she is rated as so Untrustworthy.
Her disingenuous, repeated attacks on Sanders, lost what little respect I used to have for her.
Her clueless sense of entitlement, and on-going stubborn refusal on transparency,
lost her, my once grudging Vote.
To say nothing of her callous war-hawkishness,
and her blatant quid-pro-quo's using the office of SOS, as a crude funding arm of the CF.
-- No wonder she needed a private server, she could "wipe clean" on demand.
Hillary's already got my info
Hillary's already got my info, I get an e-mail from her every single day. So what? It's just one more cycle of my click-trash-click-trash-click-trash ... as I empty the 150 or so that I get every day from every Dem running. I quit donating to DNC, DSCC, DCCC, or any other Party affiliated organization a long time ago, so either they are very persistent, or they are already getting the list of anyone who donates through ActBlue.
The comments over at Politico are Awesome
I posted a diary about this before I saw this one.
I am going to go take it down now. This thread it better.
Nah, my post is different enough to leave up. EOM
I'll give HRC $0.02
Just to let them know there's a big difference between having the list and having the passion of the people on it
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