Alpha's N.Y. Primary watchers Live Blog
Submitted by Alphalop on Tue, 04/19/2016 - 6:37pm
Hi Guys!
Today is the day! I have been avoiding the news coverage all day (Baked cookies for the wife to take to work for her co-workers tonight and got caught up on Lucifer) so I wouldn't go crazy waiting for the results, lol! So if I missed something important fill me in!
I hope you guys join me, it may be a looong night. 
I will be watching TYT's Live stream and posting results as they come in.
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I am so on pins and needles. Just got the courage to check in. Been thinking good thoughts all day. Found three shells on my beach run. Unusual. Hope it's a sign. Thinking 3% for Bernie. Also. May it be so.
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Keep the faith
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Right on, Lookout!
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The moment he endorses Clinton --
I'm giving up on him.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
I am on the fence with that...
I can understand why he would do so, not that I would agree with his reasons.
It would just be another thing I disagree with him on and it wouldn't change my decision not to vote for Hillary.
I honestly hope he goes for a third party/Independent run myself. Particularly if Jesse Ventura or some other indy jumps in on the conservative side. That could put Sanders in position where he could mount a strong third party candidacy.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
not even then
As I said above, today's Latin phrase is "pro forma".
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
ooops again
yargh...is there a double posting hiccup going around?
Yeah, it happens a lot when the site hangs.
if your post hangs, just sit. Sometimes it takes up to a minute to finish and display it, but the server has already registered it I think.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Yes, give up on Bernie!
Not because Sanders would be a bad person for endorsing the way he said he would, but because it would neutralize him politically for some time to come, if not permanently.
And, of course, because Hillary Clinton and her class are bags of shit
We need a bold leader and an equally bold cadre of supporters to lay the ground for a permanent organization to develop a new party, one initially masquerading as an anti-neoliberal movement, possible as an explicit green/left coalition.
It would be nice to have Sanders included to help draw his supporters along, but he was right: is us, not him. The ideas, not the candidate.
And that's no criticism of Sanders as a person or politician, just a statement of what I think is needed next.
The future is Youth/Left/Green.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
You're right on that, of course.
There's always that.....
But don't give up on Bernie just because he endorses HRC on the floor of the
ClusterfuckConvention. After all, he needs to get his poor ass out of the building.Then, he can do to Hillary what Hillary has done to us: ratfuck!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
LOL, agreed 100%
Including ratfucking Hillary.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
The moment he endorses Clinton --
I'm giving up on him.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
That's silly
if he actually does that, I'm going to choose to believe it's a matter of self-preservation for the short term. You have to believe the guy has got to keep up appearances in some ways.
That being said, I don't think he will. He'll stop just short and he'll do something else-probably something nobody expects
Countdown to 9pm...5,4,3,2,1,go Bernie!
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Called for Trump
Donald Trump Has been called as Winner for NY...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Please someone, explain how
with only 1% reporting, a call can be made. I'm not a math wiz by any means, but I cannot understand how a winner can be called at this point.
Think off-center.
George Carlin
Based on exit polls?
Or at least that's what I've heard.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
They contact Satan --
when 6.66% of the vote is in, and he names the winner.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
CNN Exit Polls -- 52 to 48! There's hope! ;-) EOM
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
TYT: exit polls Clinton 52-48!!!! w00t! No early call! It's a
race!
Calm down, G, it's a long evening....w00t!!!!
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Keeping me sane tonight--I know I am not as cool as most of you
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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Current exit polls Clinton 52% Sanders 48%
This is GOOD NEWS!
I was terrified it would get called for Hillary right away, but this means we have a chance.
Sanders has closed bigger gaps than that if it is at all accurate.
I also have hope that he will do a LOT better in the rural counties than Hillary. (Lots of hunters up there.)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
CNN exit poll
Clinton 52
Sanders 48
I'd take it.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Hi Steve, hope yuo're doing well mate. It's going to be such a
party tonight! w00t!
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Hey Gerrit
a lot better now! Now thinking in terms of which bottle of wine to open
We'll raise a glass to you
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Cheers mate!
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Some really good discussion on TYT about Nevada
He closed that Gap significantly at the 2nd stage of the Caucus, so much for the "Sanders voters don't show up" meme.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
found tweet
First results
34 of 13,082 precincts
Sanders 35%
Clinton 65%
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Wow
I hope CNN got it right.
I believe in sky faeries.
With .07% in Hillary ahead in Kings county 60/40
Statewide results
107/15,067 precincts (0.7%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
3,746
60.0%
Bernie Sanders
2,499
40.0%
6,245 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Kings = Brooklyn where the major purge happened
Hah, hh, hah, over at 538, Harry F*cking Enten, the Clinton
shill there, is already talking through a mouth filled with broken glass. Chew on that you bought MF.
TYT is already singing, "Here Comes Bernie!" :=) The party is on.
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Enten is the worst of the worst
and if there was any justice he would be unemployable after this cycle
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
49 of 13,082
Sanders 38%
Clinton 62%
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
what;s wrong with the New Yorkers
1 % reporting Hillary 60% and Sanders 40. Exit polls according to CNN 52 Hillary Sanders 48. Pathetic.
https://www.euronews.com/live
No worries, mimi. The votes are coming in first from NYC:
Bernie is beginning to fill in the rural counties. Hang in there: it will even out during the night.
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what;s wrong with the New Yorkers
1 % reporting Hillary 60% and Sanders 40. Exit polls according to CNN 52 Hillary Sanders 48. Pathetic.
https://www.euronews.com/live
I'm not certain that this is the reason why, but....
She tends to do better with the absentee ballots, and it would stand to reason that those would get reported earlier than the "Live" results so maybe that is why Bernie tends to come from behind on these.
The good news is it wasn't called right away like it was for Trump. That means it was too close to call, the longer it goes, the better it looks for Sanders IMO.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Epic Nate Silver climbdown in progress. Here's his opening
bid:
I'm looking forward to watching that bunch of arses get shellacked tonight.
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3.5% reporting
Statewide results
531/15,067 precincts (3.5%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
25,120
62.2%
Bernie Sanders
15,284
37.8%
40,404 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It's going to be a loooong night. nt
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52-48 in Hillary's home state is a win for Bernie
well...actually it's a loss but it's a very good showing, if that's what it turns out to be. Then in a neutral location like California with its 4 million delegates (500-something actually) a big win for Bernie can make a difference.
Hillary's home state...
LOL
Good one.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
David Sirota tweet
6% reporting still 62/38 Clinton
Statewide results
910/15,067 precincts (6%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
47,676
62.0%
Bernie Sanders
29,264
38.0%
76,940 total votes
Bernie is leading in the two rural counties so far reporting. I'm hoping my prediction that he would do well in Rurals proves true.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I know its early, but I see him prettyfar behind in every county
and I find that suspicious. Farther behind than the polls suggested even... in EVERY county?
If she wins big here, I'm not going to be able to believe in it. It seems like just the kind of overreach they'd go for, too, instead of a believable close win.
I've got to step away from this before I tear my hair out - see you all in a little while!
9.4% reporting Bernie is slightly closing on Clinton's lead...
Statewide results
1,426/15,067 precincts (9.4%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
85,387
61.6%
Bernie Sanders
53,177
38.4%
138,564 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Harry Effing Enten is amazed at the exit poll splits:
Two Dem ships in the night! One towards yesterday's sunset and one onward to tomorrow's new dawn. Se it, Harry, and believe it. There will be two new "Dem" parties after this election: a corporatist neocon party and a democratic-socialist, peace party. And two "GOP" parties: a christianist-racist party and a corporatist globalist party. About time.
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I would love to see 4 parties, 5 would be even better! :)
Anything over this crap now....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Down with duopoly
We need a multi-party political system. We need a new government structure. We need a new economic structure. We might well need a new country... or two or three.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Wow, in 3 of the 4 Rural's he has the lead in, the margin is
about 59 percent in his favor!
Lets hope he does that in the vast majority of them!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
NYC seems to be the problem
There are lots of Conservatives around the City area
and a lot of them do vote, Democratic.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
True.
Tammany Hall yet survives
I texted this to my son in California earlier today.
And then I had to educate him on what Tammany Hall was. He thought it was a woman. LOL
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
15.2% Reporting 61.6/38.4% Clinton
Statewide results
2,298/15,067 precincts (15.2%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
166,782
61.6%
Bernie Sanders
103,933
38.4%
270,715 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Hey folks I'm heading to bed early after a wet walk with
my boys. Got TYT open in one window and y'all in another.
If I don't fall asleep then I'll get up and check in with the party here from time to time.
Thx Alpha for throwing us a party once again. My only complaint is that you aren't sharing those fresh baked cookies with us. What's up with that, eh?
The Democratic Party is completely corrupt. Whether or not Bernie wins this elections, it's time to build a new party. We need to start contacting anyone and every one who might be interested from the Greens to TYT to the more progressive labor unions, etc etc etc.
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
I Tried loading some into the Cup Holder on my Computer
but they wouldn't send....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Cheers, JaeRae :=) And you sure are right.
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21.4% reporting Bernie narrows the gap slightly again.
Statewide results
3,229/15,067 precincts (21.4%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
250,599
61.2%
Bernie Sanders
158,688
38.8%
409,287 total votes
Not sure if it is happening fast enough, but the vast majority of the Rural counties have yet to report and they are trending heavily for Sanders so far.
I still got hope.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
interesting that so much of NYC is reporting
I was more concerned about this early Hillary lead, thinking NYC is so heavily for her and would probably just keep increasing her numbers, but I see that those boroughs are way ahead, percentage-wise, in reporting. So the state is 21% but Brooklyn's reported 60%, Queens 58%, Manhattan 57%.
Staten Island--the forgotten borough
Staten Island (Richmond County) 83 percent reporting.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
23% reporting, Bernie still shaving points off Clinton's lead...
Statewide results
3,474/15,067 precincts (23%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
277,283
61.1%
Bernie Sanders
176,855
38.9%
454,138 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Schoharie County
100% in
Sanders 63.6%
Clinton 36.4%
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
26.8% Reporting. Ratio stays the same...
Sanders and Clinton each picked up an additional Rural...
Statewide results
4,044/15,067 precincts (26.8%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
333,663
61.1%
Bernie Sanders
212,534
38.9%
546,197 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Husband who actually was going to vote for her
but voted for Bernie in WI now says if Bernie loses tonight he is not voting anymore. Boy quite the turnaround! Told him Bernie is not giving up so neither are we.
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
31.5% in. Sanders shaves .3 again...
I hope he keeps it up, but those margins need to get bigger and faster...
Statewide results
4,748/15,067 precincts (31.5%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
399,366
60.8%
Bernie Sanders
257,159
39.2%
656,525 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
NYC? Wow. They seem to love them some corporatists.
Boss Tweed is lurking around there somewhere. Probably near the place they count the votes.
Twain Disciple
That is how the new Democratic Party Rolls.
I can't help but remember that my ancestors helped start the Republican Party, when that was the new progressive party, then they changed over to Democrats when the Republicans were overtaken by Robber Barons and financial thugs. The party labels and all they used to mean become a blind to conceal the fact that the people are now being served up to the corporate masters.
I vaguely remember in the diary of a Roman mining engineer I was reading as a University student mentioned that he had ask a local chieftain to some slaves to the Roman mine and was that in the local system of government there was an office the Argyle Adar, who's main duty was to watch the chieftain and bring charges against him if he sold out his people to the Romans. If the king were found guilty he would be shot, hung and drowned.
I am not suggesting that we shoot, hang or drown anyone, but that it seems that our ancestors had a greater grasp of the fact that leaders can change, and be coerced or subverted and are not to be trusted unconditionally than we do.
So how many provisional ballots were handed out?
And when will they be counted?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Unafiliated voters
Looking at the differences in numbers so far, I'm wondering what difference the 120,000 unenrolled voters would make.
Well that, and purging 150k+ voters from Brooklyn alone
probably had nothing to do with it either...
These purges could, and should result in a lawsuit.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
34.5% Reporting 60.5/39.5 Clinton.
Statewide results
4,748/15,067 precincts (31.5%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
399,366
60.8%
Bernie Sanders
257,159
39.2%
656,525 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
In Brooklyn Hillary is up 59/41 over Sanders...
Yeah, I would be pissed if I got purged and lived in Brooklyn...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Honestly? I think somebody got way too greedy with that one...
Therefore some heads WILL need to roll in response to it, or there will be sheer hell to pay from the population therein.
You mark my words. This is blatant and obvious and they're going to push things just a smidge too far, because they're greedy bastards. Wars have been fought over such thievery.
Agreed, I think they may have overreached.
And one thing that nobody ever talks about, but could indeed happen in the US is a massive uprising such as those seen in other nations.
Hopefully mostly peaceful, but we are Americans after all and are not particularly known for taking that option when we feel threatened or screwed...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Yikes, TYT says CNN just called NY for Clinton. I think they'll
be sorry tomorrow morning.
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Nope.
Its a done deal. The disenfranchisement was a success.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
It achieved one objective
That doesn't make it a success.
Far from it. This was blatant, deliberate disenfranchisement and it's opening a LOT of peoples' eyes. There will be repercussions of this primary, these thieves have already been playing with fire. And they are going to get their asses burned--maybe even Berned in another way--but one way or another.
Keep supporting the man in the meantime. The opposition can shove their shiny new Surrender Dorothy motif, because that ain't happening. And as I noted upthread, they can fuck right off while they're at it. This campaign continues. It's WELL under way in California.
Boy I hope you're right.
Fuck this shit!! I remember thinking, I think it was the 2004 election, would we ever really have fair and honest elections in this country again? I still wonder.
This shit is bananas.
Sadly your right Bisbonian
It is/was successful and yet we all carry on and act like this farce is real. It's not. This will continue as a lot of us have had enough.
ugh
cnn calls ny for hrc
CNN Calls it for Hillary....
I am hoping they get egg on their face...
Regardless, If I was the Sanders campaign I would be telling the Democratic Party "Remember that pledge not to go 3rd party in the General? Well that was contingent on YOU not rigging the election against me..."
I am just disgusted that our own party is engaging in voter suppression and pushing a Candidate that is no where near as close to traditional Democratic Ideals as Sanders.
This Party may indeed be Dead to me in June....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Yeah, I'm definitely thinking of changing to independent...
fuck this shit!!
This shit is bananas.
Wake me up
when the court case has been decided. Fraudulent elections? Feh.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
If these numbers stand,
If these numbers stand, Bernie is pretty much mathematically eliminated. He needed to win every remaining state by 57% to win the popular vote. Lose NY by this margin, he has no shot at winning the popular vote and thus no shot at swaying superdelegates or even a legitimate argument that they should be swayed.
Sad day.
don't give up. This is largely NYC
and anyway, this "popular vote" thing is irrelevant
they both need delegates. Some are from caucuses. You can't compare the vote there to primaries. The popular vote thing is a Clinton meme, left over from 2008 when she counted unofficial primaries that were declared null and void by the DNC.
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