06/15 Open Thread - Global Wind Day
```
~~ Kites
On June 15, 1992, The US Supreme Court ruled in US v Álvarez-Machaín
that it is perfectly cool to forceably kidnap foreigners abroad and bring them to the US for trial. LexisNexis summarises the holding as follows:
The Court held that the fact of Alvarez-Machain's forcible abduction from a nation with which the U.S. has an extradition treaty does not prohibit his trial in a United States court for violations of the criminal laws in the U.S. The Court construed the treaty and concluded that there were no express provisions concerning obligations to refrain from forcible abductions, or the consequences under the treaty if such abduction occurred. The Court concluded that the language of the treaty, in the context of its history, did not support the finding that the treaty prohibited abductions outside of its terms. Nor did the Court find that the treaty should be interpreted so as to include an implied term prohibiting prosecution, where a defendant's presence was obtained by means other than those established by the treaty. The Court noted that the violation of any principle of international law did not constitute a violation of the treaty. The Court thus refused to imply in the treaty a term prohibiting international abductions.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/casebrief/p/casebrief-united-states...
This turns out to be but a continuation of the Kerr-Frisbie doctrine named after two prior Supreme Court Cases. In Kerr v Illinois, dealing with a US citizen kidnapped from Peru, the court held:
forcible abduction is no sufficient reason why the party should not answer when brought within the jurisdiction of the court which has the right to try him for such an offence
and in Frisbie v Collins the court held that kidnapping a suspect in Chicago to be be tried in Michigan was copacetic despite the violation of federal kidnapping statutes involved.
On this day in history:
763 BC – The Assyrians recorded a solar eclipse, later used to date Mesopotamian history.
1215 – King John put his seal to the Magna Carta.
1648 – Margaret Jones was hanged in Boston for witchcraft. Served her right I'm sure.
1667 – The first human blood transfusion was administered by Dr. Jean-Baptiste Denys.
1752 – Benjamin Franklin proved that lightning is electricity
1800 – The Provisional Army of the United States was dissolved, because everybody knew that standing armies sucked for innumerable reasons, duh.. **
1844 – Charles Goodyear received a patent for vulcanizing rubber.
1846 – The Oregon Treaty set the 49th parallel as the border between the US and Canada from the Rockies to the Strait of Juan de Fuca.
1859 – The US - UK "Pig War" was fought over the continuation of the above boundary through the San Juan Islands. Total casualties 1 pig.
1877 – Henry Ossian Flipper was the first African American cadet to graduate from the United States Military Academy.
1878 – Eadweard Muybridge took a series of photographs to prove that all four feet of a horse leave the ground when it runs; the study became the basis of motion pictures.
1919 – John Alcock and Arthur Brown completed the first nonstop transatlantic flight.
1921 – Bessie Coleman earned her pilot's license, becoming the first female pilot of African-American descent.
1944 – In the Saskatchewan general election, the CCF was elected and formed the first socialist government in North America. Stalin is said to have been elated.
1977 – The first democratic elections in Spain, after Franco's death in 1975.
1985 – Rembrandt's Danaë was attacked by a man using sulfuric acid and a knife.
1992 – The US Supreme Court ruled that it is permissible to forcibly kidnap suspects in foreign countries and bring them to the United States for trial, without the approval of those other countries. (United States v. Álvarez-Machaín)
2001 – The People's Republic of China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan formed the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. Clearly seriously evil of them and threatening to US goal of total global hegemony.
** This should not be confused with the U.S. Army that celebrated its 250th anniversary on June 14, 2025, that United States Army was formally created by Congress on September 29, 1789. Nobody knew that Congress had created it retroactive to June 1775 until his most illustrious excellency Donald J Trump found an addendum to the Congressional Record inscribed on a golden tablet in a sand trap on a Florida Golf Course in 2025.
-
Some people who were born on this day:
moonflowers--
one by one the wind
rustles them
~~ Issa
1479 – Lisa del Giocondo, model, subject of the Mona Lisa
1542 – Richard Grenville, captain and explorer, colonist and oppressor
1618 – François Blondel, architect
1763 – Kobayashi Issa, Buddhist priest and poet; one of "The Great Four" (haiku masters)
1809 – François-Xavier Garneau, poet and historian
1843 – Edvard Grieg, pianist and composer
1888 – Ramón López Velarde, poet and author
1894 – Nikolai Chebotaryov, mathematician and theorist
1906 – Gordon Welchman, mathematician and author
1910 – David Rose, pianist, composer, and conductor
1911 – Wilbert Awdry, author, co-created Thomas the Tank Engine
1921 – Erroll Garner, pianist and composer
1922 – Jaki Byard, pianist and composer
1934 – Ruby Nash Garnett, R&B singer (Ruby & the Romantics)
1937 – Waylon Jennings, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1939 – Ward Connerly, activist and businessman, founded the American Civil Rights Institute
1941 – Harry Nilsson, singer and songwriter
1943 – Johnny Hallyday, singer and actor
1946 – Noddy Holder, singer. songwriter, musician, and actor
1946 – Demis Roussos, singer, songwriter, and bass player
1951 – Steve Walsh, singer, songwriter, and musician (Kansas)
1954 – Terri Gibbs, country music singer and keyboard player
Some people who died on this day:
The hardest problems of pure and applied science can only be solved by the open collaboration of the world-wide scientific community.
~~ Kenneth G. Wilson
1381 – Wat Tyler, rebel leader
1768 – James Short, mathematician and optician
1968 – Wes Montgomery, guitarist and songwriter
1984 – Meredith Willson, playwright, composer, and conductor
1995 – John Vincent Atanasoff, physicist and inventor, invented the Atanasoff–Berry computer
2013 – Kenneth G. Wilson, physicist and academic
2018 – Matt "Guitar" Murphy, guitarist
Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:
Global Wind Day
Magna Carta Day
National Electricity Day (USA)
Today's Tunes
Global Wind Day
Edvard Grieg
David Rose
Erroll Garner
Jaki Byard
Ruby Nash Garnett
Waylon Jennings
Harry Nilsson
Johnny Hallyday
Steve Walsh
Wes Montgomery
Matt "Guitar" Murphy
So Here It Is
Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. What's on your mind?
Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com
Open Thread, Wind Day, kidnapping, Witches, Issa, Goodyear, Pig War, Edvard Grieg, Matt Murphy, Errol Garner. Wes Montgomery
Comments
Hiya, good morning
.
Survived another weekend mostly intact.
Thought it was quite comical the venue presented
in the glorification of the empire ruler with gladiator games.
Did not see any of it, but sounds like a circus sans dancing bears.
Haven't heard the Association Windy song in a very long time.
They were a local group where I grew-up. Thanks for posting the OT. Odds are
even Nutty yahoo will torpedo the MOI before Friday, which will make this "ceasefire"
the 40th failure of our crack negotiating team. Consistent at best.
Zionism is a social disease
Israel
Interesting that J. D. Vance has announced Israel “will have a seat at the table”…though unofficially they’ve always had a seat at the table in the form of Witkoff and Kushner and it hasn’t gone well.
Anya
Not sure which of the 4 clowns is worse
.
Rubio, Hegseth, Vance or Trump. But sending the Kushner / Witkoff
duo out to 'negotiate' is indicative the lack of seriousness involved.
Zionism is a social disease
@QMS I don’t know if
I don’t know if Witkoff and Kushner will be there this Friday. Hope not, though can’t imagine whichever Israeli agents show up will be helpful.
Anya
Good morning Cap'n Q, thanks for dropping in. I didn't try
to catch Le Grande Fiasco de el casa blanco, but I did at one point see a notice that there might be rain issues. I hope there were. Windy is a great song, but I like Wes' version best of all:
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning...
Alastair Crooke on the US - Iran agreement.
(31 min) Alastair agrees with Q above and my piece yesterday, Israel will not abide the agreement. Will it even make it to Friday to be signed?
The answer is blowing in the wind
In 1999, the song was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame. In 2004, it was ranked #14 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the "500 Greatest Songs of All Time". Dylan sure could write 'em.
Thanks for the OT!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good morning Lookout. I think we all agree that the zionists
will violate the so-clled agreement, the only question is whether Iran will let them.
Thanks for the videos.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
We lost a war of choice
Iran has ended up a lot worse off than it began, for us anyway. We pay reparations, we spent a lot of money, our besties in the region don't think we can protect them from drones and need to kiss up to Iran. I haven't been following the war on these pages, not sure if people on here think Iran is a utopia like Russia or not.
Iran for it's part gets to keep its nukes and they might make further negotiations over the next 60 days or Trump will be very angry he says.
Good morning. There are no utopias, even places like Oneida
didn't make the grade. That said, many here do understand and acknowledge that Stalin and the USSR are gone and the Rus aren't communist, or any more evil than the US. Of course, that is a very low bar and getting lower daily.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, el!
I am finishing up 2 more family law cases today, maybe 3. Finishing up another probate case tomorrow.
I am taking in nothing new that requires court appearances. This is going much more smoothly than I had imagined.
I hope this Iran conflict will end before another American soldier dies for Israel.
Maybe I can check out some news about the Russian SMO as the day passes. I believe the Russians are stepping up their attacks. Still, Putin had time to call Trump and wish him happy b'day. I would love to know what they chatted about.
Thanks for the OT, and for a bit of Waylon.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Good morning, otc. Glad to head that your transition is going
well. Haven't checked on what the Rus did overnight yet, but the Guardian implies a serious barrage.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I somehow missed Ella, died 6.15/96
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
My morning invitation to attend an expensive class
A Litigator's Guide to Safe and Practical Use of AI
Artificial intelligence tools are rapidly transforming litigation practice, but they carry significant risks that every lawyer must understand. Can you trust AI-generated case citations? What happens when AI "hallucinates" legal authority? How do you leverage AI's powerful capabilities for document review, deposition preparation, and strategic analysis while meeting your ethical obligations under the Texas Disciplinary Rules? This program provides practical guidance on integrating AI into your litigation practice safely and effectively, with real-world examples of both successful applications and cautionary tales that demonstrate the critical importance of verification and professional judgment.
Learning Objectives:
Identify the fundamental limitations of large language models (LLMs), including the "hallucination" problem, and implement verification protocols to ensure AI-generated work product meets professional standards.
Apply AI tools effectively for high-value litigation tasks such as document review, deposition preparation, oral argument planning, and strategic analysis while avoiding inappropriate uses like unverified legal research.
Recognize ethical obligations under the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct implicated by AI use, including competence (Rule 1.01), confidentiality (Rule 1.05), candor toward the tribunal (Rule 3.03), and supervisory responsibilities (Rule 5.01).
Evaluate AI platforms and tools for security, confidentiality, and appropriateness for legal work, and distinguish between enterprise-grade solutions and consumer applications.
Develop firm policies and workflows for responsible AI adoption, including prompt engineering best practices, mandatory verification procedures, and training requirements for attorneys & staff.
Navigate disclosure obligations and emerging regulatory developments regarding AI use in litigation practice.
Sounds inviting, amirite?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Whoa!
I fell asleep just reading it. Don’t you feel lucky to be escaping all this? So many signs saying time to go.
Anya
It is just sickening!
Learn how to pick the right program so as not to get disbarred. Then use it with caution so as not to get disbarred. Disclose that you have followed the rules so as not to get disbarred. Double check everything AI produced for accuracy so as not to get disbarred. Save time, even though you bill by the hour or by document preparation, so as not to make too much money, then sleep well knowing you will be broke, but not disbarred.
Or something pretty close to that.
First, they come for the lawyers, as Shakespeare said...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Oh fer sure, fer sure. If ai provides you a citation, use
google on your phone to verify, example: Hey google, is Alice v Bandersnatch a valid citation?
Somebody needs to send out currency questionnaires that include questions as to whether or not the firm uses ai, and then compile and publish a database of all firms that use ai so that people can be forewarned
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Well, the State Bar is pushing this on us,
as are law schools. We are required to know how to integrate it into our practice.
Well, they can just kiss my fuckin' ass.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Sounds like AI is training humans on
.
how to use AI instead of vice-versa.
Another example of the upside-down world
brought to us by the trillionaires. Thanks John McCarthy.
Not what the world needs.
Zionism is a social disease
Pretty good guess, Cap'n.
And I bet you anything the speakers are not lawyers, but AI salesmen.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
To qoute my dear departed
gray-haired mammy, "Gag a maggot on a shitwagon!"
I saw an article a couple of days abo about a researcher who had Claude hallucinate a bunch of citations in some research they were doing on hallucinations, and then apologize to them for lying when challenged because "it just wanted to provide an answer to their prompt and didn't want to disappoint them".
At this rate, we'll have AI politicians in 3... 2... 1...
I'll link to that article, if I can find it again now. I can only do about a half-hour of screen-staring at a time right now for eyestrain reasons. First hyperbaric chamber ride this afternoon at 3:30, so hopefully I'll get the rest of my eyesight back again shortly.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
I worry about damn AI
judges. Or, judges relying on AI to actually make rulings.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
This isn't the article
I was thinking about, but it is interesting just the same:
https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/judge-cancels-trial-lawyers...
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Great article, ufs!
Sanctions, meaning fines, banning a lawyer from a court for a specified period of time, is happening all over Texas, likely the whole country. It is numbering in the thousands in Texas. Like el says, dude, take care of your eyes, keep us informed of all eyesight issues, ok?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Good luck with the eyesight. Keep us posted
get well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
“Progressive“ (except for Palestine) posers have been
plying their trade for a looong time — even among websites and bloggers I once greatly admired, before their behind-the-scenes connections, deceptions, and manipulations came to light.
Item from 2010 re Jane Hamsher and FireDogLake:
https://mondoweiss.net/2010/08/firedoglake-is-progressive-just-dont-talk...
In the present moment, it’s amazing how many people dump on Trump but deflect re Israel-Palestine because plain talk on the topic would reveal how indistinguishable their own thoughts are from those of Trump, Netanyahu & Co.
Good afternoon, Lotl. Support for theocracies can only be
as progressive as the underlying religions. The various versions of the old testament are a bronze age transcription of neolithic oral traditions including tribal creation myths. "first principles" derived from such works cannot be progressive even if they are, by some accident, what some persons would consider to be liberal.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --