Saturday Open Thread - 5/23/26: Odds and Ends

Good morning, good people! I hope this Saturday finds you all in fine fettle!
I did some grocery pricing and shopping this week I thought worth passing along, since prices are going up on everything.
So, I read an article, no way I could find it now, that basically rated grocery store prices against the biggest grocery store chain in the country, which is Walmart. Using Walmart as the starting point, the article found 10 grocery stores that are actually cheaper than Walmart. Most were regional, but Costco, Aldis, and HEB stood out to me because they are accessible here.
We did sort of a test run on an HEB store this week, on the way home from the surgeon's office. The parking lot was almost full, but the store was so huge, you didn't notice shoppers, checked out with ease.
Vast inventory, not just cheap junk food. We got some sort of high end specialty products at a very reasonable price. We later shopped Walmart and noticed 2 things: The lowest priced products fill the shelves, while better products are gone. Just one example is Hunt's Ketchup. We don't consume it much, but we prefer the variety that contains no high fructose when we do. It is no longer available at our Walmart. Eat sugar or do without. Try to find a healthy breakfast cereal there. Go ahead. Try. All sugar coated.
But, the shock was noticing price tags are not paper and plastic. They are electronic. Our local Walmart was one of the last in the country to go to facial recognition pricing, but it is being installed there now. They haven't fully installed it, but they made a huge step forward from last Friday to Thursday of this week.
I think the following link is important and encourage you all to read it. This isn't our future. It is our present.
What is surveillance pricing and is it coming to a grocery store near you?
Surveillance pricing, or algorithmic personalized pricing, is a way of setting prices in which information about individual customers — from scraped social media activity to other identifying factors such as where they live or their spending habits — is used to generate prices. The concern about the practice is that it leads to different prices for different people, potentially exploiting their circumstances or need for a product.
Well, good friends, this is an open thread, open to any and all info you think is worth sharing with us all.
With that, I say:
Let 'er rip!


Comments
Good morning, friends!
The newly installed tech at the Walmart store where where we shop attracts the poorest of the poor, and very rich people, and everything in between. I know. I know lots of employees there, and often see people I know in the aisles. Some on welfare, some with millions. Will they pay different prices for that bottle of ketchup? It may already be happening.
Your turn, friends!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Hey, good morning
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So how does this facial recognition thing work? Is it when
you go to check-out you get scanned along with your groceries?
Really weird. There should be a law against that. Where I shop, they
still label prices on the items so you can compare products. Just can't
imagine this new fangled tech. May have to don a poor people mask
before check out?
Thanks for the money music variety show otc!
Zionism is a social disease
Good morning, Cap'n!
Here are some concerns from critics:
Biometrics connects our financial records, medical records, residence, and travel. AI can assess our spending history, preferences, and quickly determine what we are comfortable paying for a store item. So, if I approach a $5.00 bottle of salsa and have a $50,000 annual salary, will it be priced the same for the person right behind me who has a $75,000 salary? I have read various comment threads at various websites that have commenters who actually observed the price changes as they happen.
Walmart isn't just installing security cameras to prevent shoplifting.
The switch to HEB will add 12 miles of driving, round trip. Not an issue to get better quality food and fair prices.
Enjoy your weekend, friend!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I buy Walmart brand on most
I buy Walmart brand on most things, it's cheapest and if it tastes the same why not. Careful shopping yields better prices on fruits than H Mart the national Asian supermarket chain on average though both H Mart and our local Asian supermarket Great Wall often have very cheap specials if you can deal with slightly old fruit or veggies.
One time we bought 10 lbs of shiitake mushrooms that were going bad and dried them all, great in soups.
Walmart is great at identifying veggies at self checkout. We still shop Costco for things that will keep or freeze, we like the complete absence of shoplifters. Also people don't grab stuff off shelves and eat a few bites.
Ukraine war still showing signs of shifting.
Good morning, ban nock!
I have not tried any Great Value food products yet. I am a bit of a food snob, perhaps? Lol!
Your store availability is so different from mine. In order to get real imported Asian foods would require a trip to Houston. Not fun to drive in and around Houston AT ALL.
The latest news I can find about the SMO is that the Ukies hit a university dorm and killed 18 students. The military response is being planned, so we shall see.
I suppose if the US can blow up a little girls school in Iran, we have no qualms if Ukraine does the same. I haven't thanked a soldier for his service in my entire life.
Enjoy your weekend, ok?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp We too are food snobs,
We too are food snobs, but only if we can tell the difference. The one thing I can't find cheap is Durian, it's $10 to $12 a pound frozen without the husk. Good steak is also pricier than all get out. Every fresh Asian vegetable or fruit is available though it pays to look at the price, sometimes it has to be flown here and it's double digits.
Death tolls from drones are difficult. Even initial reports from the mayor. Both sides have an incentive to claim high numbers to make the other side seem barbaric, and also low numbers to seem ineffectual. Big picture civilian deaths from drones have no effect on the war.
This week another oil refinery was hit and a chemical plant 1,000 miles from Ukraine. Also they seem to have had some success with the H20 highway which parallels the Black sea and connects all those cities in Eastern Ukraine. Mariupol, plus Crimea and the front. The leaves are on the trees which will help the Russians evade drones but they don't seem to be able to replace personnel as fast as they are losing them.
Those three things, long range damage to infrastructure which supports the war, intermediate range damage to infrastructure damaging the ability to fuel and supply the front, plus decreasing the replacement ability of infantry, are what is noticeable. With the caveat that any and all information must be viewed with a certain amount of skepticism.
An end is certainly not near even with the rosiest predictions. I doubt Ukraine would settle when any of its territory isn't yet returned. To do that Putin would need to be gone. Years not months.
The News from Russia is not good.
Dmitry Orlov writes about this neighborhood conflict frequently, since he lives just down the highway from Ukraine. The SMO has moved very slow for the Russians because they are protective of the lives of all civilians in the western borderlands, where the the conflict has been concentrated for all these years. The Russians consider all civilians who settled in this region to be more or less Russians, going back centuries. The Russian nation does not think it is frighting a war with Ukraine. The land of Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union as recently as 1997. They Russian people firmly believes that they are fighting a co tinuation of the war they fought with the NAZI-Fascist psychopaths who coalesced into NATO, along with the US and British Fascists, at the end of World War II. They see the Ukrainians as local Russian Hillbillies and natural culture of thieves who speak a ghetto form of the Russian language. It's not unusual for Russian soldiers and contractors to hang out with Ukraine civilians in the area, and trade goods. Lots of strange bedfellows in war in a Proxy War. The enemies of Russia who are forcing that war on Ukraine are located thousands of miles away. Orlov writes:
Something Russia has determined is the only solution — and we should all be aware of what's coming. We are, after all, the People who are paying for this war on Russia. Without the Empire of the US in its death throes, none of this deranged bloodbath would be taking place. Next up, we will watch the US attack and destroy Cuba. The American people will be helpless to stop this evil. Russia didn't start this pointless war on its border, but they will definitely end it.
@Pluto's Republic The Russian Mil
The Russian Mil Blogger Alexei Rogozin warns that the American company Palantir has provided Ukraine with AI tools that process vast amounts of data to integrate with and leverage long-range UAV strike capabilities.
I think the Tuapse oil terminal on the black sea is a total loss. In retaliation and anger Russia has delivered missiles capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads to Belarus for tonight. Use of the Oreshnik is a way to escalate and intimidate. They could hit anywhere in Europe is the message.
Yesterday Russia closed that coastal highway in the east to all civilian traffic.
I don't believe anyone knows what Russians think but someone should start thinking period. There is no legit polling in Russia. Some might think the moon of swiss cheese but that won't make it so.
Good evening, PR!
Great assessment of the SMO and what is coming to the fanatical NATO countries that have some pathological hatred for Russia for over a century.
Why was there no real dust up here in the US when Ukraine made Russian Orthodoxy a crime to practice?
The Russian language was forbidden and using it was a crime? Why were we all outraged when we saw pictures and videos of Banderites taping up Russian speaking Ukrainians to street lamps and leaving a club nearby for anyone to beat them or sodomize them for shits and giggles while strolling through town?
Apartment buildings set ablaze killing everyone inside?
We showed the same lack of concern at the years-long siege of Leningrad by Hitler and Finland. We welcomed Finland into NATO recently.
For Russia, the fight against the Fascists has not ended and cannot end without a clear and decisive victory. Every concession or agreement or treaty with the Europeans and NATO has led to another conflict after a pause.
They have both the means and the will do bring this SMO to the finish line.
Thanks for stopping by, chica!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Good morning otc. Thanks for the OT. I think that pricing
comparisons across chains is trickier than advertisers and analysts make it out to be. Actually, I can guarantee that The problem is what pricing wallahs refer to as comparables. Crude example: store a sells bulk coen at 50 cents per ear. Store b sells pre-packaged shrink wrapped corm 3 pack for a buck 40. Arguably b has a slightly lower price per ear, but You have to buy at least 3 ears and you must buy multiples of 3, so the products offered aren't really comparable. Then you have places like Sprouts, where you can buy grains, creals and all that self-bagged from bulk bins, which means they aren't comparable to anybody who doesn't sell that way. A few years ago my wife and I had our first experience with Aldi looking to grab a few things while in Arroyo Grande. We were "Hotel camping" in Pismo, meaning that we cooked and ate most of our meals in the hotel room with our hot pot or their nuker or ate stuff like brie or dried salame on crackers/baguette + fruit, etc. Aldi's pre-packaged everything and product selection was simply not conducive to that we had to bail and go find a Vons or something with a more "normal" product selection. There was just something off about everything they had, though I can't recall any specifics.
Today, of course, is farmers' market here, speaking of comparables. ;-). Just in time for me to make lentejas con verdura,- onion, garlic, jalapeño, hatch chiles, lentils, calabicitas, carrot, potato, celery, tomatoes and rainbow chard. Goes together quickly once all the prep is done.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, el!
I have never shopped at Costco or Aldi's.
The only accurate price comparison one can make is specific and identical products being sold at different stores. I kept our Walmart receipt so that when we buy the same items at HEB, we can make an accurate comparison.
At any rate, the facial surveillance about to happen at Walmart is reason enough to steer clear of the place.
We "hotel camp" a lot. We also shop at delis for sandwiches and the like, avoid spending at restaurants and fast food as much as possible.
Your meal sounds tasty and healthy! Not sure what dinner will be, but it will not require shopping. We are well-stocked.
Something is about to happen. Iran is on its' highest military alert, their air force is escorting gulf states diplomats back home, Trump cancelled his travel plans, as did all of his top officials.
Enjoy your weekend, dear friend! It might get really interesting!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The first 45 minutes of this video
is an interview with Joel Salatin, farmer/educator extraordinaire. Food quality and shortages are discussed, as well as sustainable farming advantages.
Makes me want to start raising cattle again.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Our unlovable PTB
Like QMS, I don’t understand how a store will recognize me and modify prices before I use a credit card. Walmart here has a video camera on when I use self-checkout. I always try to look sideways and don’t know how they do biometric recognition with my glasses on. Oregon didn’t require Real ID when I renewed my DL, and it’s valid til 9/2031.
Lots of conflicting reports on possible Iran deal this morning. Vance suddenly returning from India. The following from about half an hour ago is promising, but if U.S. follows usual pattern it probably indicates we’re about to foolishly bomb Iran again….
“Pakistani officials says that U.S. and Iranian mediators have reached an interim peace deal described as "fairly comprehensive," aimed at fully ending the Iran war, though final approval is still pending” - Reuters
Anya
Good afternoon, Anya!
Texas is a Real ID state, so Walmart can easily ID me as I reach to get coffee to toss into my cart. Cameras will be store-wide, not just at check out.
The latest headline from NYT says Trump announced he would enter a deal with Iran "if I get everything I want".
Funny how this is going on when the stock exchange is closed.
Meanwhile, I am determined to just relax and enjoy a quiet day here at home, which is still possible.
I hope you can do the same, chica!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
A close neighbor is better than a distant relative
(when you need help) So the Chinese saying goes... just learned today. 远亲不如近邻 It turns out, it's quite well known, which shows what I know.
I suspect the connection to this post above with the picture of the former dictator Chun drinking a Starbucks is more than just random internet influencer. I did some research on the melchi- soybean campaign in the past symbolizing myeol kong (destroy communism). The campaign featured right wing political leaders in the supermarket. Any political opposition to Yoon was contended to be communism. Melchi are small edible dried fish, and kong soybeans. The origin of that publicity campaign was of similar nature and sourcing. The current Lee administration was the opposition at that time. The protestors in May 1980 were alleged to be communists inspired by North Korea. Same thing for the massacres in Cheju Island in 1948.
I posted earlier about the Shinsegae CEO having to apologize for the Starbucks Korea "Tanke" marketing campaign on the Kwangju massacre memorial day. "Tanke" refers to the thermos type large coffee cup that regular patrons tend to bring to coffee chains. Tanke is also konglish for tank. It was an oblique reference to the armored vehicles that slaughtered South Korean protestors against dictator Chun Doo-hwan's seizure of power in May 1980. The original ads have been taken down by the company, but the internet backlash goes on.
Tim Shorrock's X thread was inactive for a while and hacked. So I don't think he'll go back. I'm posting his Bluesky "tweet" to see if I'm doing it right.
I heard more advertising for AI management tools that do great "follow up" after customer contact. What a joke! If there's anything that AI screws up, it's just that. If you don't fit into their A, B, C, D, multiple choice response schemes, they simply fail. Having to renew all aspects of living in a place, and being forced to deal with that bs, is driving me up a wall. Does everything really require hours of attempts to contact the real party in interest only to find out that there is more administrative bs to be done? I know they want to lay off all their office management and clerks, but is that really a practical business model? Seems like the DOGE prescription for government.
If we hadn't moved we could have avoided most of this frustrating experience. It's like starting over to a worse (Kafkaesque) life. I was "grandfathered in" at our former community. We could live with almost no online transactions. That was so much nicer.
I looked at a "Florida" orange juice label today. I had recently watched a video explaining that 95 percent of the orange groves were gone. So the label admitted in the fine print that the juice a mixture from Florida, Mexico and Brazil. Percentages not provided. Hundreds if not thousands of acres of natural woodlands and low lying nature have been cut down, filled, and bulldozed over in these newly built local "communities" here.
Thanks for the O&E today OtC!
己所不欲,勿施于人。
Good evening, soryang!
I read somewhere that a big tech billionaire guy claimed that in 7 years, all white collar jobs will be eliminated and replaced by AI. So, when you moved into the new community of automated everything, you just beat the 7 yr schedule that will catch up to the rest of us in time.
The SK influencers subtly favoring tanks may surprised if they get what they are asking for.
Over and over, anyone in the US critical of the far right are labelled commies. Well, I consider the label a compliment.
Mitchell's immortal song is playing out right now as ranchers get rid of their cattle, farmers sell their farmland for AI center construction, and glysophate is still ok.
Interesting times we live in, friend.
Enjoy your weekend and holiday.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
alleged shooting near whitehouse.
...I saw a stream from Fox and CNN on this. Gotta go eat dinner.
己所不欲,勿施于人。
CNN report .
https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/23/politics/white-house-area-gunshots
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
'muricans gotta shoot!
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proof positive we is free /s.
Hard to believe the Koreans are still playing the evil communist card.
Seems the north and south divisions are very far from resolving.
Ah well. Such is life. Seems we can't survive without conflict.
It is challenging to deal with the new,
improvedimpoverishedAI business model these days. It creeps into more and more interactions.
Not human friendly fer sure. Made for the unquestioning kind. Having an
organic, functioning brain is verbotten in the info sphere. Just accept and
pretend?
Zionism is a social disease